>ONCE AGAIN STEAM AND HUMBLE BUNDLE ALLOWING ILLEGAL SCUMBAG COMPANIES TO PACKAGE GAMES HIDDEN WITH AN EMULATOR AND CHARGING CUSTOMERS MONEY FOR THEM WHEN THEY ARE ILLEGAL TO DOWNLOAD AND KEEP FOR MORE THAN 24 HOURS AND DON'T HAVE THE LICENSE FOR
When the fuck will PC users wake up and see that their beloved platform is a fucking joke and a parasite and that companies like nVidia are fucking brainwashing them into spending 1000 dollars more than is required to enjoy a game in the name of """"""superiority""""""
>>319515919
because pc users are literal children who don't know and don't care despite contributing to being the worst fucking thing about gaming today
>>319515919
>calls himself Foxhack
>his fursona is a wolf
???
>>319515919
>neogaf tab
>>319515919
yiff in hell furfag
>>319515919
>>319516028
I'm a PC user and I don't care about any of this shit?
Do you spend any actual effort or time forming your convictions and subsequent posts involving them? Do you think at all? Are you a fucking human? Are you an AI who exists to post dumb inflammatory shit that's not reasonable to actually believe by any stretch of the imagination?
Please leave consolefag. Why would anyone unironically buy console games on PC anyway. Hope you have fun with your paid emulation on PS4 on top of paying Sony to use your internet to download the game.
>stupid people being taken advantage of
ok
>>319515919
its just Hex code, what am I looking at?
Also emulators are not illegal
>>319516107
Something something otherkin. Something something transwolf fox. Something something check your something somethinglord.
>>319515919
What is this?
>>319516687
this tbqh
Noone buys this shit besides casuals and normies, everyone else is smart enough to emulate; in better quality too with more options than the proprietary emulator shit that comes with the Metal Slug "ports"
>>319517009
I don't understand what are they selling?
>>319515919
What did you expect? Actual ports of 20 year old games?
>using Steam
>buying things
No.
>>319515919
>furfag twitter account getting mad at bullshit that doesn't matter
the emulator is open source, GNU have no legal existence outside of nerd forums, while the company got the legit rights on the roms. Next time be sure to have actual lawiers on your side instead of a forum strawpoll to create a "license" from thin air.
>>319517092
They packaged up an emulation of the game and are selling it for money.
Jesus the bait going on in this thread. Time aren't legal because you aren't paying for a license to the game in some form. The only way it would be illegal would be if they didn't get the rights to package the bios with the emulator.
>>319515919
thing is that emulators aren't particularly legal either so it's very unlikely the final burn guy will go after them
>>319517295
so?
whats wrong with emulators?
>>319517195
nebula is open source?
>>319517391
They're free.
>>319517537
every game is free on the 'net, son
>>319515919
Steam != PC
It's just a DRM/store that works on PC, it is about as representative of games on the PC as the Xbox Live Arcade is of regular physical 360 titles.
>>319517537
The games aren't though.
Are people in this thread just pretending to be retarded or something?
>>319515919
I don't see how this is any different than Nintendo selling Neo Geo games on the Virtual Console.
>>319515919
>furfag
>>319517589
not if you're buying it off of a web storefront
>>319515919
Do you even know if they have the old roms anymore?
Why get mad at steam/humble? That's like getting mad at them for bikini games. At least get mad at the company that made the shitty product and sold the lie to the idiots who sold it to you.
>>319517637
>The games aren't though.
Right. I can't believe anyone emulates without a legitimate physical copy.
smhlads
They aren't good enough to create a port. So they just give you a emulator and the rom and mask it as a port.
>>319517589
Free as in freedom, not free as in beer.
>>319517195
Meaning that they are violating the license by selling it. Free software is meant to encourage programmers to adapt other people's software for their own purposes, but they are forbidden to sell it, they just have to distribute it for online for free.
Lots of old PC games being sold on Steam, GOG etc. run on emulators such as DOSBox and ScummVM, so what?
>>319516945
something something you somethingfag
>>319515919
Legally OP they have every right to sell their game as emu is free not the game.
In actuality those who can emulate don't purchase these games.
>>319517805
>Meaning that they are violating the license by selling it
They're selling the game, not the emulator.
>>319515919
When will people realize that the vast majority of every fanbase are completely and utterly fucking retarded and it's the retard's fault for falling for shit like this, not the people who make money off of other's stupidity?
It's like everyone wants to be stupid and have the world hold their hand. You only ever have yourselves to blame.
Please. Just please. Kill yourself. You'll be happier, I swear.
>>319517791
>only physical copies are legit
>digital distribution doesn't exist
I really hope you are just pretending, and aren't actually this retarded.
>>319517887
They're selling the whole thing as a package.
>>319515919
Downloading emulators is not illegal, and having a ROM is basically having a copy of the physical game in a file, however that doesn't make it illegal.
To legally create a ROM, you must own a copy of the game itself, and for that you have to pay it.
So then, what's the problem here again?
>>319517931
really, how much is the emulator priced at
>>319517891
>/v/ blaming the victim
Color me surprised
>>319517805
the emulator is also violating copyright laws by enabling people to run fucking pirated games on it
do we really want to open this can of worms, tim?
>>319517897
cock in cheek post shitting on emulation
>must mean digital copies don't exist
wew
>>319518009
>the emulator is also violating copyright laws
no, surprisingly.
>>319517891
I'll be happier if you killed yourself. I swear, anon.
>>319517805
>they are forbidden to sell it
That will never hold up in any court and you damn well know it. Also,
>"wah! Something is public domain and people are taking advantage of that!"
Are you fucking twelve?
>>319518009
That doesn't violate copyright. Microsoft Word allows me to view all kinds of copyrighted items.
>>319518043
I'm sorry, I don't understand your memespeak.
You're taking this retarded act too far.
>>319518068
yeah just like torrents are just peer lists, not the actual files, right? totally legit, except torrent sites are being taken down left and right
you're a fucking moron if you think your make believe license matters in the real world when the emulator itself is simulating someone else's stolen code
>>319518215
Prove it then.
>>319518147
>"wah! Something is public domain and people are taking advantage of that!"
Do you not know what a software license is, or what? It would 100% hold up in court.
>>319518185
I'm sorry you don't understand who's really being retarded man.
Shut off your monitor and you'll see.
>>319515919
>I'm not a very interesting person
What did he mean by this?
>>319518006
> Not blaming the victim
It's always the victim's fault when knowledge of the transgression exists. In every scenario.
It doesn't make the transgression right by any means, but not being prepared is just as bad.
>>319518249
>my right to tell someone that they have no right to sell something I am giving away for free would hold up in court
Yup, you're twelve.
>>319515919
The thing that angers me most is that this guy is an obvious fur faggot
>>319515919
>Neogaf
>Anti-PC
Lawldy.
>>319517805
>Meaning that they are violating the license by selling it. Free software is meant to encourage programmers to adapt other people's software for their own purposes, but they are forbidden to sell it, they just have to distribute it for online for free.
So is THIS what OP spergs out about? Or is it something else?
>>319518215
You think sites being taken down maliciously by corporate magnates means that they are actually breaking the law? Hoo boy...
Torrents ARE just peer lists, not the actual files. Torrent trackers aren't doing anything wrong, which is why they keep trying to broaden the definition of a copyright violation legally.
>>319518360
>by clicking register you agree to blah blah blah
>but they didn't tell me i couldn't do that!
It's a license. The publisher necessarily has to agree to it to modify or distribute the program in any way. It's legal and it would 100% hold up in court. Just repeating that "you must be too stupid to understand" doesn't make this any less true.
>buying games
>>319518536
Until someone takes the publisher to court; it is 100% legal.
Welcome to Life.
>>319518735
>It's not illegal if it's rich people doing it
>>319518536
Just because it's in a license doesn't mean it's enforceable you stupid child. If it's free, it's free, period. You have no right to say that it can't be sold by a third party. Welcome to the real world, kiddo.
>>319518536
thing is that if the final burn guy files a suit snk or whoever chinese cellphone company owns them can sue back which sets a precedent that could possibly fuck over every emulator author in the future
>>319518779
>Welcome to Life
>>319517931
Have you ever considered that they aren't selling the emulator and are packaging the emulator without charge?
>>319518779
As long as you don't bother to use your right to sue; yes, that's exactly how it works.
>>319518536
>>by clicking register you agree to blah blah blah
not a legal contract if what it contains isn't legal, which is the case. code is only under copyrights to begin with, so it's easy to use it under various things like fair use, or simply deleting a few lines to make it different
>>319518735
>>319518785
>you stupid child
I can see where this is going, and it isn't anywhere near an actual conclusion. Good job I guess.
>>319515919
>""""""______""""""
What is this new meme?
>>319518524
>but they are forbidden to sell it
the devs don't have the power to forbid it if they don't protect it. Intellectual property isn't immune to real laws and real contracts.
>>319519021
It's the new sickdark. It's obviously one, maybe two, people doing it.
>>319518913
>Regular Joe working 9-5 with a <30K annual income can afford a dragged out lawsuit
>>319518998
The conclusion is: If you own the Copyright to the Emulator; Sue if you don't want people to package it in other things. If you don't care, don't sue; don't be surprised that it gets used.
>>319519093
on a software that's barely legal to begin with
yep, doesn't look to promising
>>319519148
Doesn't NeoGeo own the emulator they made themselves and therefore legally allowed to sell it?
>>319515919
There's this thing we call the public domain and that emulator is licensed under it.
>>319519148
No, the conclusion is:
>do we really want to open this can of worms, tim?
>wah! Something is public domain and people are taking advantage of that!
>Are you fucking twelve?
>Yup, you're twelve.
>Welcome to Life.
>you stupid child
>Welcome to the real world, kiddo.
I don't know what I expected but it definitely wasn't anything to do with emulation or software licensing. If you aren't prepared to discuss the topic at hand why even post? And don't act like an innocent victim now that we can't have a "real" discussion.
>>319519379
And steam is allowed to use this then, since it is public domain
>>319519470
What do you expect us to do? You can e-mail the final burn alpha author yourself, he's still active.
>>319519497
>Twinkle Star Sprites with no online play
Fuck everything.
>>319519093
I make ~40k a year; I make software for games and have to fight for my copyright around once every 3 or 4 years.
I usually file suit (<1K); wait for them to counter, file remand on counter; wait; continue with life (usually takes a year for them to realize that I already know all the steps to the dance) wait for them to make an offer, either accept (yay bonus 200K-400K) or deny and ask that they stop using it and that profits be donated. 99% of the time, they don't take it beyond that, accept either giving me money or giving money to donation and move on; its way more trouble to fight little guys that don't give a shit than it is to pay a new programmer to make new shaders. (hin't it costs millions to fight a guy that only has to pay 2-4K, while reprogramming only costs <300K)
>>319519261
then they obviously don't care to sue.
>>319519470
What can of worms: sue or don't, it's not fucking rocket science (and if you made an emulator, suing is a piece of fucking cake)
>>319518009
>>319518215
emulators were speffically ruled to be legal though in the past.
>>319519619
just use ggpo or whatever it's called now
online does work, I've played metal slug on it
>>319519728
>then they obviously don't care to sue.
why would they sue themselves?
>>319519601
>>319519728
Hi. Neither of you read any of the posts that I was responding to. Don't expect an answer.
>KEEP FOR MORE THAN 24 HOURS
I can't believe people still think this is in anyway true
>>319519728
>hin't it costs millions to fight a guy that only has to pay 2-4K
i love when people struggle this hard to fake fantasies on 4chan
like whats the point guy
>>319515919
Gog sells games with dosbox lad
>>319517295
Who is "They"?
>>319519979
dotemu
>>319516773
>>319516973
You're stupid. The illegal part is that they using someone's else's emulator without permission. This is shit people get sued over.
>PC users
PC gamers computers arent weak, we dont play this trash, this kind of crap is all played by consolefags bored of their shitty stuttering consoles looking for something else to do
I dont even know what game you're talking about, and i dont care, just like with tumblrtale
Yall need to find a new hobby or something
>surprised that a company named dotemu is using emulators
>>319520072
Contact Elsemi and tell him to sue, then.
>>319520108
It's not their emulator, it's somebody else's.
>>319520092
>I don't know anything about what's going on but I will interject some unrelated opinion anyways
>>319520145
Who the fuck cares? Is that your emulator?
>>319520145
i know but its still not surprising
>>319517809
>>319519958
Dosbox is free for what i know and they package it together with the game because otherwise it just does not run.
The problem with GoG is that at times they literally take cracks or cracked versions from piratebay and repack them as their own version.
>>319519921
Ok; how much does your lawyer cost to keep on retainer + file all relevant documents?
Hint: it is more than (usually 1 or 2 orders of magnitude because retainer rarely covers actual case movement) it takes for me to do it myself.
>>319520243
>Dosbox is free for what i know and they package it together with the game because otherwise it just does not run.
That's the same thing that's going on here.
>>319520208
>You are not allowed to care. Stop caring. You are not permitted to post about this. Stop immediately.
>>319518009
Is a gun illegal? No, but the act of killing someone is. It is a tool to be used.
An emulator is the same way, it doesn't break anything on its own but once you add an illegal rom you break a law.
I don't understand why it is I should care.
I just have more fun playing more games better than all the console-owners.
As long as the PC can do that, I don't care about anything else.
>>319520316
Yea, but the difference is if you put your brand on, or its still dosbox running. This guy in the op found the original emulator name in the hex code. With gog you just run the shit and you see its in dosbox from what i know.
If GoG would take dosbox, and rebrand it into GoGbox then it would be problematic.
>>319520171
You understand this is why /v/ has been shit for a decade now.
And why web 2.0 with comment/social media sections on every fucking page is literal cancer.
>>319519736
Yeh but all my friends refuse to pirate games.
>>319520456
Not him, but yeah several GoG games literally show the DOSbox logo clearly in the emulator-window running in the background.
I heard somewhere that they cut a deal with the DOSbox devs though.
>>319520403
That analogy doesn't hold up on two fronts;
First; some guns are illegal
Second; replicating a gun exactly is illegal due to copyright.
>>319520403
there were cases of emulators receiving cease and desist orders though, ultrahle and cave's sh3 mame drive come to mind
>>319520420
People just enjoy whining about irrelevant shit, it seems.
>>319520468
Yeah i dont use facebook or anything but im the cancer killing 4chan because i supposedly use that shit all day and act like im on it here
whatever consolefags, go be butthurt about some insignificant crap no one cares about to deflect how hard your ass is getting fucked by microsoft and sony
>>319520243
>GoG steals illegal crack
>pirates can't do shit becaues their crack is illegal
:^)
>>319519021
tumblr teenager speak
>>319520702
Pirates wouldn't want to do shit. Once it's cracked, it's cracked. They try to do it fastest and best so they can get what is essentially just street cred. If they even cared they would probably just benefit.
>>319520702
True, but pirates don't give a shit, and won't give a shit, i mean they give the crack away for free anyway. It is more about the poor fucks that get scammed by GoG into buying a crack that is free.
>>319520798
I always kinda' liked this mentality. To just do something because it's fun and it earns you the respect of your peers is a dying concept.
Tl;dr poorly made shovelware is bought by an autistic and retarded consumer who complains about it on social media. Seen it many times before.
The emulator discussion occasionally crops up in /vg/ and, as always, boils down to piracy and abandonware legality.
>not having a Neo Geo MVS in the first place
Fucking scrubs.
>>319517537
They sure aren't on the wii, xbone or ps4
>>319517805
If the emulator developer hasn't defended his copyright before, it's forfeit now. That's why the Fallout poster guy got sued a few years ago: If Bethesda didn't defend their copyright, they would've forfeited it.
Also, Steam can just say "we're selling the game but packaging the emulator with it for free so people don't have to download separately it to get the game to run".
Good luck proving that they're charging you for the emulator, kid.
>>319520563
>Second; replicating a gun exactly is illegal due to copyright.
lelno, it's illegal due to registration.
>>319517805
>Free software is meant to encourage programmers to adapt other people's software for their own purposes,
>but they are forbidden to sell it
depends on the license used
>>319520691
You dont even take yourself seriously.
I dont know why I'm even responding, and the only console I ever owned was a genesis.
remember when GOG was selling pirated EXEs?
Got swept under the rug and forgotten fast, lol.
>>319521130
cracks?
>>319521178
yes. one game they sold literally was a scenegroup cracked exe but patched out the scene name in the exe file.
>>319521250
You see, the executable file isn't the game, it is merely a tool that can be used to play the game. You can fuck with it as much as you want as long as you write a neat little license saying you're allowed to.
>>319519497
I dunno Einstein. You'd think I wouldn't post it otherwise, but I'm sure you could find out after a couple seconds in google.
>>319521130
>>319521250
They actually responded to it, the original forum link is dead so i got the txt from RPG fourms :
"Hey folks... As some of you already know, GOG does not always get access to game masters. In this respect, we regularly have to resort various approaches to ensure we can deliver a DRM-free game that works on modern operating systems. We have always conducted these programming works in accordance with the relevant rights owners. Every game we sell has been approved by the latter."
>>319517931
So they should sell the roms with a note saying "Go find your own free emulator"?
Or maybe they can share a link to a website which will then probably link to archives of pirated copies of the games they're trying to sell.
>>319521613
They should make their own emulator, which they pretended to have done.
>>319515919
And even though PC is still the best platform to play vidya.
>>319515919
And you got this info by following a furry...?
>>319515919
>Steam/Humble Bundle allowing games to be downloaded with a fee
>Some of the games will likely not run on modern systems and may require emulator support
>Being this dense to not realize that there would be no support of emulators if the producers of said games, and thus, no sales
I suppose there's nothing better console furfags can do today, I guess.
>>319515919
>Caring this much about video games
>>319515919
wow. it's fucking nothing and it changes nothing
pc still wins.
>>319520945
I think the main problem is not the fact it's an emulator. The main problem is it's a shit port and if it get to Steam like that good luck getting anything like multiplayer support with it. It's fucking disgusting.
