>Game punishes you for trying to explore
>>319417008
Yeah New Vegas was kinda shitty.
>>319417008
>game punishes you BY making you explore
>>319417008
>OP making a shit tread
>wants you to explore
>is filled with points of no return
>all maps all linear and there is literally no exploration
Thanks "gamers".
>>319418226
Nothing wrong with that if the game is fun to play.
>>319417209
>thread punishing you for making an OP
>>319418282
Fun is a buzzword, and there is no way that a game is better by removing elements to appeal to a more "broad" (see: retarded) market.
WoW does this all the time
>there's something on the map that will obviously kill you
>can't resist the tiny voice inside that says you should go see HOW BADLY it will kill you
>>319418674
Who said anything about removing features? Sounds like you're putting words in my mouth.
>>319417008
>>319417209
Dumb Wojak poster.
>>319417008
>OP punishes you by making a thread
>>319417008
Exploring is stupid anyway. Stick to your objectives fuckboy.
>>319417008
>Grim Dark game will never ever come to pc
>game punishes you for existing
![1403282702123[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OiFfcBR.jpg "1403282702123[1].jpg")
>game punishes you for expecting it to be finished
>>319418674
>game punishes you by forcing you to have fun.
When will the suffering end?
>>319417146
this desu senpai
>>319420225
>game punishes you for playing it in the only way possible
>>319417008
Fucking Alan Wake. If you don't head straight for the next checkpoint, you'll have to deal with endless spawning shadow monsters.
>>319421058
>>319417008
ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR
>you punish barrel for trying to explore
>>319418674
Looks like that guy was a Valve playtester.
>game punishes you for buying it
>>319417008
it should ALWAYS be like that.
Start at level 1 and just pick a random direction? You must get slaughtered eventually or you are forced to proceed with stealth only if you have the skills for it.
there is no point in going anywhere if you can unlock everything from the start
>>319419010
>Oh wow they're blue instead of green now
>try to kill it
>Ultima
>>319421197
It bothers me that this game got so much praise from the artsy crowd. As a pretentious asshole myself I find it to be pretty cheap and shallow in the way it tries to get you to feel emotions.
>Objective: Do the thing
>Do the thing
>You're bad for doing the thing and should feel bad
Why are game designers avoiding the obvious solution to this problem? Make the 'morally correct' answer hard to actually do.
>Objective: Do this thing
>You can do the thing the easy way, with the most morally questionable outcome
>You can do it the hard way and nobody gets hurt
That way when the game guilt trips you for doing the time it actually has a point. You could have done the right thing, but you didn't because it wasn't convenient to you. Rather than doing the only option available to you.This is what Undertale should have done as well. True Pacifist should have been really, truly difficult while genocide should have been the easiest option. Would have made the Pacifist mean more and provided more incentive to 'give up' like the game tries to talk you into doing.Still enjoyed it though
Thanks for reminding me about Arcania.
>>319421942
spec ops did do that to an extent, when your teammate gets hanged by the mob, you have the choice of shooting into the crowd or the air.
Still i get what you mean, like using white phosphorous was easy but shooting them all and pushing through would have been much harder.
>>319421942
I think the point was that the minute you tried to buy some shitty war shooter for your entertainment (as which it was marketed) you did the wrong thing: wanting to "kill people" for your entertainment.
I find the concept coherent, but I did not play the game so I can't comment on its quality.
Though as far as I know you could sometimes "make your own choices", as in rather than clicking on A or B you could just do a C while still being in full control of your character. Something like you have to shoot a hanging man or let him die, but you could also pick the invisible option of shooting the rope which was not directly stated. (I've only seen this in a review, don't know exactly how it went down, but stuff like that is great. Would be even greater if it has actual consequences, but I am not sure if that is the case in Spec Ops, as I, again, did not play it.)
Chrono Trigger did a great job with invisible choices with the court drama.
>>319422467
Oh right >>319422224 I think this is the stuff I was refering to with the hanging thingy.
>>319417008
>Game punishes you for trying to exploit
>>319417008
>Game explores you for trying to punish
