What video game characters routinely job despite being played off as strong?
>>319269184
any Souls Protagonist
>>319269259
Do you not understand the concept of jobbing? The Souls protags canonically "win" in the end.
>>319269184
Quark from Ratchet and Clank is essentially Hercule from DBZ.
Bowser eats shit in half of the Mario RPGs.
Anyone in Starfox who the player has to save.
Gears of War squadmate ai.
LeChuck.
>>319269184
Bison has never won anything ever. Why do people in SF even consider him a threat?
>>319269184
>Captain Tagoma is as strong as Gohan was "At his best"
>Mystic Gohan was the most powerful non fused character in DBZ
>Prior to training with Frieza for 4 months, he was Zarbon/Dodoria level
I get that power levels don't mean shit anymore but come the fuck on, no reason why random mooks should be stronger than Majin Buu
>>319269849
>Tagoma
I thought Frieza killed him as soon as he was revived?
>>319269774
he won his fight money
>>319269849
This. Mystic Gohan was supposed to be SSJ3 tier. In 4 months that random trash went from sub saiyan tier to SSJ3 tier. Fuck off.
>>319270082
Super is changing the canon. For example, Gotenks joins the battle, hits Tagoma in the balls, and... Defuses early. Then Goten and Trunks leave.
>>319270082
In the movie, the anime is different, same thing with the Beerus arc. In the anime, Frieza just fucks him up and makes him his training partner, so he beats him to an inch of his life and get's put in a regen tube every day for 4 months
>>319269485
yeah but the constant dying just proves that shit is way overpowered compared to you
>>319270160
Isn't the anime canon? Also seems odd that the anime and the movies are so similar. The fuck was the point of the movies?
>>319270359
You have no idea what jobbing is.
Jobbing is when someone that's already been established as strong constantly gets their ass whipped by new characters to show how cool and powerful the new guys are. See: Vegeta, Galactus, Genos
>>319270415
The movies were to to get your dick wet, the anime is the "actual" story. For example, the Beerus fight plays out a lot differently but the end result is the same, much like the Frieza arc. Who knows, maybe Vegeta will be the one to kill Frieza this time around
>>319270153
Sex killed his gains
>>319270415
>Isn't the anime canon
Yes, but movies aren't - so they're "retelling" the first two
>the fuck was the point of the movies
To convince Toriyama and Toei that people wanted a new anime
>>319270415
The movies are essentially the Anime summarized. The anime is the movies expanded.
It's canon.
>>319270529
excuse me, but according to tvtropes that's called the worf effect not jobbing
>>319270529
That's exactly what it's like in dark souls
>get past asylum demon
>feel strong
>get wrecked by bridge demon
>kill it
>feel strong
>get wrecked by capra demon
>process repeats until you get wrecked by Gwyn
>kill him
>become a lamp
>>319269849
>>319270153
What, you think fighters just retain all their strength forever just by lazing around all day? And it's been a lot longer than 4 months - by two years since the defeat of Majin Buu to Beerus.
>>319270887
You can fuck right on off buddy
>>319270902
>The point
>The entirety of earth's atmosphere
>Your head
>>319270415
Anime is the true canon, the movies were just a test to see if people was still interested in Dragon Ball.
>>319269849
>read the wikia since I ain't watching this shit>Ginyu comes back
Jesus christ, I'm not even mad
>>319269783
factual
>>319271160
Majin Buu was an ancient being that terrorized the universe since the beginning of time, a name that struck fear in all of the Kais. Defeating him was a fucking universal triumph of epic proportions, and now anyone can surpass him by doing a lot of push ups every day for a few months. I have no problem with Gohan being weaker, I just have a problem with Tagoma being stronger than Majin Buu
>>319271334
Tagoma isn't stronger than Buu, even with Ginyu in his body.
>>319271296
>read the wikia since I ain't watching this shit
>apparently there's now a super saiyan god that's even stronger than SSJ4
these people are out of control, frieza was right to glass their planet
>>319269606
Bowser is a really good example in the Mario and Luigi series and Super Mario RPG.
I guess Paper Mario 2 and Super Paper Mario as well.
He gets handily defeated by the actual villains in those games just to display how much of a threat they are.
>>319271375
Bruh Gohan said he was about as strong as him at his best, I highly doubt he was referring to SSJ2
>>319269849
>>319270153
>>319271334
Gohan stopped his training thinking that the earth woulnd't need to be saved again after Majin Boo was defeated, he just wanted to be with his wife and raise his daughter in peace, he wasn't a fighter like his dad and that's why he's a shit now.
But whatever, we all know that Toriyama doesn't give a shit anymore and he turned Gohan into some kind of new Yamcha.
>>319271432
Saiyans were a mistakeI can't wait for the movie where Bardock goes into that form.
>>319271856
I really thought the Universe 7 team would be the 5 Saiyans, I'm glad Toriyama isn't that predictable
>>319271856
Well Gohan always looked like Yamcha after all
>>319272164
>piccolo died and gohan didn't care
>>319272164
>Arm torn off
Neat. Piccolo is gonna need to get a big power up if he's gonna be in the tournament.
>>319271856
I hated that shit. Ever since he was a baby they are always teasing that "Oh man, Gohan could be the strongest!" every arc teasing at him taking over as protagonist. Then it's like "Nah, actually Gohan just wants to read books after all, fuck it let's bring Goku back again permanently. :^)"
>>319272306
He's probably gonna go to Whis' Time Chamber.
>>319272359
Stop reading then?
>>319270082
Tagoma is the big red guy, isn't he? I thought he was the one who fought Piccolo and called him a namikin as if it were an insult.
>>319272389
They pull some 'Namekian god' bull shit and I wouldn't really mind. Any way to have my nigga piccolo back is good.
>>319272243
>Implying he's not about to go SSJ2 next episode and stall for time till Goku and Vegeta show up
>>319272359
>Everyone keeps missing the point
Gohan ws for all the Jap kids that grew up with the expectation that they would be just like their fathers. He started out as Goku Jr. but then became his own man after he defeated Cell. That was the point I guess, to have someone be not only greater than their father, but also different (remember, Japanese society is different)
>>319272359
It's not really Toriyama's fualt, It was the same thing with Araki and Abdul, they were going to be replaced but they got so many angry letters they decided not to
>>319272713
>It was the same thing with Araki and AbdulOnly for him to kill him off anyway.
>>319272164
Namekians getting dismembered doesn't look as cool as it used to
>>319269184
is the movie out in english yet ?
>>319272713
>Hol Horse will never help defeat DIO
Why live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKF_uU6poNM
If anyone didn't know yet, they patched up episode 5 quite a bit for the Blu Ray release. Doesn't make it amazing, but it's a huge improvement.
>>319272450
>Stop reading then?
Go fuck yourself. Still reading my post? Go fuck yourself. Why are you still reading? Go fuck yourself. Reading further will just lead to more insults. Go fuck yourself. Stop reading then? Go fuck yourself.
>>319272797
I could've sworn you could see fluids flying out and bits of tendon before. I guess that's a no go nowadays.
>>319272821
Been out a couple months now
>They made Roshi a fighter again
>Yamcha's still useless as fuck
>>319272864
White people are weird.
>>319272797
The animation quality of Super is fucking terrible, you can tell it's being drawn in Photoshop
>I think I can still turn super saiyan
>gohan stealing that win from Piccolo denying him a good even fight after so many years
I know Piccolo was mad as fuck that this lil nigga just goes super saiyan and is twice as strong as you and doesn't even let you win a fight that you haven't been able to be even with since Android 17.
>>319272980
Draw the show then.
>>319272653
no
gohan was supposed to be the star of dbz like goku was in db, but the fans demanded more goku and less gohan, so toriyama listened to their whining
>>319272864
>Go
Stopped reading right there.
>>319272980
I stopped watching for a while. Heard the animation was slowly improving. Any truth to that?
>Krillin still fighting
>18 nowhere to been seen despite being a bigger asset
>>319273061
Or they can just stop being cheap fucks and hire actual fucking animators that will break out the pen and paper and make a quality product
>>319273214
Draw the show then.
>>319272653
>implying the series wasn't supposed to end after Cell
>>319272615
No, he is the skinny greenish/grey one.
>>319270902
That'd be overcoming the odds, not jobbing. Jobbing would be beating all of those, then some new character comes along and beats you every time.
>>319273243
>This product is bad
>THEN WHY DON'T YOU DO BETTER
>>319272980
>>319273214
Funny thing is OPM has a smaller budget and looks infinity better
>>319273330
Draw the show then.
>>319273061
so the show that has made millions since being drawn in the 90s now cannot be drawn any better than before despite all the money it made.
It's a fucking joke that this shit is drawn like this when 20 years ago it was many times better. Even when DBZ was poorly drawn sometimes in the sayan/freeza saga it still looks better.
>>319272980
>That modern Toei plastic kuso animation
>>319271160
Yeah, and?
Gohan was still stronger than that after 7 YEARS of not fighting after the battle with Cell
You got any more excuses to line up?
>>319272629
>That one multiverse fan-fic manga where nail fuses with all the namekians in existence
it's accualty not that bad
>>319273379
Draw the show then.
>>319273370
>Draw the show then.
>Show then
>Sho en
>Shonen
Is there going to be a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan God?
>>319273438
Where's your show?
>>319272980
Toei is literal shit, just ask onepiece fags
>>319273214
>hire actual fucking animators that will break out the pen and paper
Are you kidding me? What would be the fucking benefit to that? It would slow down production and make the drawings even worse than they are.
>>319273130
Yeah, some of shots are animated really well. Seems like they're getting on their feet and getting used to the time constraints. The show isn't animated amazingly well, but there hasn't been anything on the level of Episode 5.
>>319273379
>Even when DBZ was poorly drawn sometimes in the sayan/freeza saga it still looks better
This holy shit. The choreography of fighting in the Saiyan saga and Namek saga are fucking god tier. I rewatched the cell saga recently and it's so shit. The only fights that were worthwhile were Piccolo versus 17 and Krillin saving those people from Imperfect Cell. The entirety of every fight was teleporting behind the person and then hitting them into the ground and throwing a blast or several blasts at them, act surprised they are still there, and then continue to power up to repeat the same thing again.
>>319273462
>>319273481
Draw the show then.
>>319273360
I can't wait until they go over budget and start animating in the original art style
>>319273251
>implying the series wasn't supposed to end after frieza
nigger get the fuck out of here.
![dragon_ball_gt__son_goku__by_chrisemerald_chaos_z-d5oh6lx[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/MvBgZuj.png "dragon_ball_gt__son_goku__by_chrisemerald_chaos_z-d5oh6lx[1].png")
>>319273396
They've toned down the plastic look since GT at least
>>319273438
>>319273589
If this is being animated by Toei, then I assure you that they wouldn't be willing to hire someone else to draw it. They're notorious for having low quality animation on shoestring budgets.
>>319273589
Where's your show?
>>319273714
Draw the show then.
>>319273605
Yet it somehow looks more vomit inducing.
Also, Cell's creepy alien form is the best and if you disagree kill yourself!
>>319273586
well if the FINAL BATTLE was just a kamehameha-off between cell and gohan, you can tell from that how shit the rest of the fights were
>One Piece will never get an HD redraw and forever have shit quality
![4382149+_e1ff54880a1a17f09f8a81fe3ba097b8[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VfMaAQL.jpg "4382149+_e1ff54880a1a17f09f8a81fe3ba097b8[1].jpg")
>>319273601
If Dragon Ball ended at Frieza it literally would've been the unequivocal best shonen of all time
>>319273841
>We will never get pre-skip nami ever again
>>319273750
Draw the show then.
>>319273876
>DBZ ends as Freiza
>No 18
>No Videl
>No milf Bulma
Not sure I want to live in that world.
>>319272980
>you can tell it's being drawn in Photoshop
Actually, Toei uses RETAS Pro's Stylos to draw the animation (they've been using RETAS Pro since around 2000).
They use Photoshop to do the backgrounds.
>>319273876
It still would have been the best if it ended at Cell. Buu tainted everything.
>>319273992
>A world without DBZ waifufagging
I fail to see the problem
>>319273589
>>319273808
>the entire episode was a kahmehameha stand off
>Gohan barely even wanted to fight cell so he got his ass kicked so bad until he turned SSJ2
>after Gohan got this power up from his ass he was so strong that cell couldn't even touch him, not even a fight about being a better fighter just simply being so powerful cell couldn't do anything
>>319274000
Huh. The more you know.
>>319274006
Nah. Cell would've been a great ending (with the other world torunament being a fun little gaiden manga) but having Goku become a super saiyan then die on Namek would've been the best possible ending ever
>>319272164
why do these shitters even exist anymore, might as well have them all killed and cheer from heaven while goku does his stuff
>>319274106
I'm impressed in the same way a horrible mad science experiment would be impressive. Like Cell.
>>319274238
So they can be killed off for Goku to reach the next level of Super Saiyan.
>>319273756
Sorry, I think my elementary-school tier art is too expensive for Toei. I would otherwise, let me tell you.
>>319273967
>>319274334
Beats Frieza's white, Sayain hatin' ass.
>>319274123
what a thrilling final episode for a saga.
>>319274131
It really would've been the best. After all, he was supposed to be THE legendary super saiyan. The cell saga was a super saiyan bargain sale.
>>319274379
Frieza's the best dbz villain
>>319274526
He recest ass hell, killin a monkey mindin his own busines in space baka senpai
>>319274584
Saiyans are more like radical muslims, except Frieza was smart enough to purge them before they became a threat
>>319274723
Saiyans are fucking mongols. Muslims aren't warriors, just savages with technology
>>319269184
>not a pic of Vegeta
Gohan actually won some fights.
Why do people like Gohan so much?
He was whiny bitch from start to finish.
"NOOO I DON'T WANNA FIGHT" bitch as the protagonist for DB would've been awful, no wonder Jap fans didn't want that shit.But that showboating motherfucker Gotenks as the protag would be the objective best and most entertaining thing to happen
>>319274804
Saiyans aren't warriors either, just savages with naturally big muscles and the ability to turn into a giant fucking ape
>>319275025
And fight, and kill like ...a warrior?
>>319274980
This, Goten and young Trunks are pretty fucking cool considering they're like Goku and Vegeta except just young.
>>319274980
>He was whiny bitch from start to finish.
He was like 8 in the frieza saga and had to watch friends and family die constantly also while not trying to die himself.
>>319275104
Trunks is more of a tricky dick than Vegeta.
He's definitely got young Bulma's blood in him.
"Hey Goten, if you throw this fight, I'll give you some of my toys."
Only way he could be better is ifHe was a chick.
>>319275081
and so do Muslims, hell, radical Muslims actually have a cause to fight for, as dumb as it may be
>>319275104
They're retards, fuck off
>>319275138
You know who else did as well and didn't whine about not wanting to fight?Gotenks
>>319275239
Because Goku and Vegeta arn't retards? Goku is grown and he's as fucking retarded as his 7 year old son.
>>319275248
Well to be fair, Gotenks is twice the saiyan Gohan is. Also he's part Vegeta, so of course there's going to be a generous dose of ego.
>>319275215
Fighting with bear hands > ALLAHACKBAR-ing/Shooting
what kind of "warriors" do you think of with Mudslimes?
>>319275248
Didn't Gotenks grow up learning how to fight instead of being thrown from Sayains to Frieza to Cell after a normal start?
>>319275334
So what? Do we need even more retards? Retards aren't "fucking cool", especially when there's a bunch of them.
Do you think this board is fucking cool?
>>319274526
Too bad the movie ruined him entirely.
>>319275370
Even if you seperate Gotenks between the two, they still weren't as pussy ass as Gohan was.
>>319275371
So was Gohan. Piccolo trained him for the Saiyans, and he trained for the androids as well.
>>319275553
>after a normal start?
>>319275471
He's actually a threat in Super, even though it's bullshit that his first form can beat a Super Sayain.
>>319275687
It's not that farfetched that training can improve people's power significantly. Look at when Goku trained at 100 times earth Gravity for 7 days.
>>319275787
First form being stronger than Super Sayain is just too stupid even for DBZ.
I get that Gohan sucks now, but Toriyama didn't have to make him look THAT bad.
The real problem is
>frieza came back
Fucking why.
Could they literally not think of anyone better than him and a retarded looking egyptian cat?
Look at all those fucking movie villains.
At least they TRIED.
>>319275371
Do you not consider the US Marines warriors either? Also, Sayians blast Ki and stomp on shit more than fight with their bare hands
>>319275614
What makes that any different
they both learned how to fight, Gohan was just a pissass about it. Hell, Goten and Trunks were more or less forced to fight Buu just as Gohan was.
>>319275887
They have Vodas and Champa, which are just redesigned Beerus and Whis.
Don't expect any new ideas from this.
>Do you not consider the US Marines warriors either?
>Drones and missiles the group.
>warriors
fucking no
>Also, Sayians blast Ki and stomp on shit more than fight with their bare hands
Where are those blasts coming from faggot.
>>319275962
Gohan learned how to fight, but he wasn't eased into he had to or else everyone was gonna die. After Cell Gohan felt the need to share his experiences with Goten and he had twice the helpw ith him and Goku teaching him. And Trunks if Vegeta's son so ofc he's gonna learn to fight from the get go.
>>319275962
Goten and Trunks liked to spar with eachother for fun.
Gohan was just a faggot. The only time he wanted to spar was when his dad was there. See the RoSaT and training for the androids.
This is why sometimes, you need to be able to kill fuckers off. For good.
Let them die with dignity.
>>319275887
I don't think there's anything wrong with Beerus, but yeah, Frieza had already been made a worf in the manga. And then a couple times over if you've seen TV series and movies.
I don't know why Toriyama thought he would be an exciting reveal.
>>319275887
This is the problem. All of the "good" ideas have been used. Just enjoy your "shiny" friezamon and "shiny" saiyanzard type pokeballz.
>>319276562
And then his new transformation which is all over the cover art and shit.
>I've been holding back, Goku
>I bet you'll never guess what I'm about to do
>I'm about to triple my skin's market value hint hint ;^)
>>319275887
>Hatin' on Beerus
I haven't met a white person that didn't have shit taste.
>>319269849
Buu wasn't "strong", he just had bullshit magic powers that made him unkillable.
>>319277502
I really don't think that was the intended impression Buu was supposed to give. But I can't blame you for thinking that.
To show off that Buu could recover from being blown up/destroyed, he got blown up/destroyed on a regular basis, and came back.
Meanwhile Frieza and Buu seemed fucking invincible when they were at their strongest, until the very last leg of their encounters.
As a result it just made it seem like Buu was really easy to blow up compared to other DBZ villains.
>>319275879
What about the time when Beerus defeated Goku in 2 hits?
>>319269849
When gohan said his best, I assumed he meant his current best, which is only like a year after buu? But apparently hes gone to shit? Although his SSJ form is stronger than piccolo now?
>>319277067
I'm half black half Asian, actually.
>>319271334
Tagoma isn't above buu, ssj gotenks hit him once and wrecked him. SSJ Gohan beat him in a few punches, hes under perfect cell for sure, dunno why he beat piccolo so easy though
>>319279428
Piccolo is weak.
![[a-s]_dragon_ball_-_032_-_the_flying_fortress!_vanished__rs2_[005BBF6F].webm](https://i.imgur.com/Npmj7q2.jpg "[a-s]_dragon_ball_-_032_-_the_flying_fortress!_vanished__rs2_[005BBF6F].webm")
>>319272864
Chi Chi used to be so adorable
What happened?
>>319279858
fuck off pedo
>>319279993
>pedo
I didn't mean it like that you pervert, I meant like in the same way you'd think a kitten is adorable
>>319272945
I got a bit confused when tien said he didn't tell yamcha or chiaotzu because its too dangerous for them, with there power level in the 10s maybe even 100s thousands....
But roshi can handle it
>>319277502
Buu was pretty strong, super buu was faster and physically stronger than ssj3 goku, and pretty invincible on top of that so
>>319280057
fuck off pedo furry
>>319280437
Stop this
>>319280586
>>319280826
>>319270529
That's not jobbing you fucking jabroni.
>>319269184
Any character that's not the main character.
>>319280395
>inb4 anime kids "but ssj3 is stronger than mystic gohan!"
>>319272164
lol @ that animation quality tho
>>319270902
My character never died except fo the Scaleless fight
