"The Citizen Kane of gaming" is a phrase that was tossed around quite a lot at the end of last gen without any real regard for what actually made Citizen Kane such an important piece of film history.
With this in mind, what would you say is the actual Citizen Kane of gaming?
>>319209391
Probably Pac-Man, or Space Invaders.
Probably Super Mario 64 because of the way it revolutionized/popularized 3D gaming.
Hunie Pop
I don't really like the game, but I'd still say Super Mario 64 just because of how it affected cameras, similar to how Kane affected camera work in cinema.
who is kane
>>319209391
the crowbar
>>319210719
>I don't really like the game
why not?
>>319209391
Hideo Kojima
Call of duty modern warfare
>>319209391
Gone Home
>>319209391
>"The Citizen Kane of gaming"
Meaningless phrases used by critics.
Citizen Kane was panned on release only to be praised later in life, so Fallout 4
>>319210420
>>319210719
These are good answers. The first thing that came to mind for me was Ocarina of Time for the same reasons, it being an early game to utilize 3D and Z-Targeting that a lot of other games borrowed from. However I have little experience with games from that era, and I have never played Super Mario 64, so I don't know which was more influential or better with their transition to 3D.
>>319209391
If you want to get anything close to a real answer you should explain the significance of Citizen Kane.
damn that was boring
The last of us.
>>319211689
mario 64 and oot were made by the same company and dev group, with mario 64 being made earlier.
so mario 64 is probably more influential
>>319209391
>"The Citizen Kane of [insert media here]"
serious question here, but what does it actually mean? I don't want to waste a few hours on an old ass film so I just skim through shit on wikipedia.
Does it meant "the thing that did it before everyone else did it"?
Grand Theft Auto 3 or Metal Gear Solid
>>319211614
Here's your complimentary (You) for trying.
>>319211937
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it means the thing that popularized the way that subject matter would be replicated and copied from then on. even if it's jsut one aspect.
>>319211982
The reason why devs shit out open world games and why people love shit like TLOU
>>319211910
Noted, thanks.
>>319211937
Pretty much, Citizen Kane used a lot of film techniques that had never been implemented before, and now films borrow from those techniques all the time.
>>319209391
>if we have to look at the phrase as "the first important game"
i don't know there were many, tetris, pacman, space invaders, it's probably one of these
>if we have to look at the phrase as "the first cinematic game"
i guess snatcher is the first "cinematic" game i can mention but there is probably something involving bare minimum text and graphic even older
>if we have to look at the phrase as "the first game that introduced a significant change to other game"
then that would be mario 64, there would be no 3D game without mario 64
>>319209391
Whatever the first real video game was, because it revolutionized the gaming industry from being cards and dice and chess into being what it is today. Even modern board games are more complex and interesting, likely thanks to video games.
>>319211614
Not true. Citizen Kane was panned or refused a screening by any newspaper or theater owned by William Randolph Hearst (the man the film was based on), and he had a decent stranglehold on a healthy percentage of pretty much all the media at the time. Critics not affiliated with Hearst praised the film, and it was nominated for several Academy Awards, and won at least one.
>>319211718
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Kane#Style
>SM64
>GTA3
>Street Fighter 2
>Wolfenstein
Basically a game where techniques and mechanics had never been used before.
>>319212075
>>319212160
Good, now I know when game """"""'journalists"""""" throw this meme term around I know they don't actually know what it means.
It's like /v/ and autism where it was used to describe people we don't like, but in their sense it means "TEH BEST GAEM EVER".
Quake. Quake revolutionized gaming, for better or worse, and is basically the forefather of all modern FPS games, and several modern engines started off as barely modified quake.
>>319211718
several new cinematography techniques were invented specifically for use in the film.
>>319209391
probably Mario 64 or Doom
![[SMACKS LIPS].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KuzS3OV.jpg "[SMACKS LIPS].jpg")
call of duty, for revolutionizing the yearly jew cycle
league of legends, for revolutionizing how we nickle and dime an audience
world of warcraft, for inventing shallow skinner's box gameplay that replaced actual gameplay
god of war, for revolutionizing MASH X TO WIN lazy passive viewing experiences
>>319212187
>there would be no 3D game without mario 64
It's Mario 64. Changed the way non-first person 3D games were handled forever.
>>319209391
>there are people on /v/ who don't like Citizen Kane
explain yourself
>>319209391
Probably BioShock Infinite, I'd say. A truly intelligent, cinematic piece of art for the thinking man.
-MGS
First cinematic game, story focus, graphics, stealth factor
-Mario 64
First 3D controls, platforms, action adventure
Grand Theft Auto III
-First living environment, things to do, sandbox
>>319213129
>-MGS
>First cinematic game
I'd say GTA III even though it has aged like milk
Minecraft for teaching indie devs how to really jew
>>319209391
It depends on what "Citizen Kane" is defined as.
>A reflexive video game that broke out of current trends of storytelling with a heavy emphasis on recurring themes
>A video game that introduced innovative techniques that later became in the medium but lacks a real story
>A meme used by memers to meme
>>319212837
I liked it, man. Leland seemed like a pretty cool guy.
>>319213315
Well, so has Citizen Kane.
>Citizen Kane, despite being an extremely poorly-aged movie that is very difficult to stomach in this day and age, is still given universal praise because of the technical effects the film used
And yet movies like King Kong and Star Wars never got the same treatment.
In 2011 there was a interview with the street figter devs and id software
They said that gta 3 was the real gamechanger
So i ll go with gta 3
>>319209391
quality post, OP.
The easiest comparison would be Bioshock 1 or Fallout: New Vegas considering their very direct allusions to Citizen Kane, and great level of freedom of choice-something which is defining of the medium
or doom, fror similar reasons to >>319210719
i havent slept for 24 hours though so i'm not gonna try and go any deeper
>>319212734
oh you know what i mean! it's not my fault if you guys aren't old enough to remember tank controls being EVERYWHERE
>>319214185
>despite being an extremely poorly-aged movie that is very difficult to stomach in this day and age
Why are people on /v/ such mouth-breathing plebs?
>>319214185
>very difficult to stomach in this day and age
>>319209391
Nothing. "The Citizen Kane of gaming" is just a term used by journalists who don't know what they are talking about, and never bothered to articulate their views. They just use Citizen Kane as an example because it's the most mainstream movie that everyone knows.
>>319212251
nononono because the first video game ever would be the equivalent of The Story Of The Kelly Gang [the first ever feature film], not Citizen Kane.
Citizen Kane wasn't the first movie ever, it was just a movie which helped shape the genre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_the_Kelly_Gang
>>319214430
>>319214529
Give it a rewatch. It's interesting if you view it from a purely historical perspective, but if you view it as an actual film, it really has not aged well.
>>319214648
I watched it a few months ago and it still interesting and enjoyable to watch. I wouldn't call it the greatest film ever made, but it sure hasn't "aged poorly". Whatever you mean by that.
>>319214430
The plot was one that clearly surprised a considerable amount of moviegoers at the time, but the concept of widespread corporate corruption and seemingly infallible figures having all sorts of flaws is the norm in media today and people now expect that kind of stuff. It's a great period piece, but its message is pretty bland in today's world.
Better question here, who or what is the citizen Kane of citizen Kane?
>>319214648
I have recently rewatched it and it's still one of the best character driven films out there.
>>319211483
Is a meaningless phrase when used by idiots who don't understand the phrase
Most idiots think that citizen Kane is some masterful piece of cinematic art, when in reality its a masterful spectacle of technicality
As a piece of art its decent at best
Where it really shines is everything that goes on off camera
A lot of film techniques, camera angles, lighting, set pieces sound editing, picture editing and directing were revolutionary
So from a technical standpoint of revolutionizing the industry Mario 64 and OoT are the best answers
Basically the archetypical entry in every gengre. There's so much imitation because publishers want to replicate a popular game's performance an infinite number of times.
>Doom clones
>Quake clones
>hundreds of shiny collect-a-thons based on Mario 64 starring a fuzzy animal or whatever
>LEGO movie parody #9999
>Vacuous open-world with minimal environmental interaction derived from GTA
etc.
>>319214648
I watched it this past summer for like the fourth time, because I was with someone who hadn't seen it and wanted to. I'm sorry your ADHD riddled brain couldn't handle a movie that didn't have anything explode and nobody made a dick or fart joke.
>>319212909
I agree. The Citizen Kane of gaming is a cinematic game one that makes you feel clever through weaving a complex tale and consistent nuanced narrative that really makes you think.
Developers finally treating the playerbase like adults and understanding that games should challenge the thinking person.
>>319214908
Marlon Brando is the Orson Welles of citizen Kanes
>>319214993
i only watch it for the song tbqh
>>319214839
Except you completely missed the point of the film. It wasn't to highlight the flaws in the wealthy, or to show corporate corruption, etc. The entire point of the movie was "William Randolph Hearst is an asshole." They made this entire movie to piss off that one guy. Hell, the story goes that Rosebud was Heart's nickname for his lover's vagina. THAT'S how far they went with trying to fuck with him.
>>319209391
Chronno Trigger.
Oh wait - Chronno Trigger is the E.T. of gaming.
>>319209391
>With this in mind, what would you say is the actual Citizen Kane of gaming?
Legacy of Kain?
>>319209391
The last of us.
>Dat narrative
>Dat voice acting
>Dat writing
>>319215209
>implying Maurice LaMarchse isn't the Orson Welles of Citzien Kanes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i7ycxiog40
>>319215147
Wait a minute that card
>>319215369
>Dat DLC
>>319215526
>multiple pages
tell me this is fake
>>319215412
Maurice is fucking based as fuck
>>319209391
>citizen Kane
Honest question, why do people say that this is the "most important" movie ever to be made? I've seen it, and it was good, but not THAT good. Is there some technical aspect that I'm missing? I don't have experience in filmmaking
>>319215723
>technical aspect that I'm missing?
>>319215723
something about cinematography
>>319215526
The DLC was the Citizen Kane of DLC
>>319215846
Would you mind providing a summary? I wish to know why all the pretentious film specials on TV praise it to high heaven
>>319215723
It's considered such an important movie because of the way it used the camera to influence the tone and setting. Most films before it were comparatively "flat". It made the most of the medium to tell the story.
>>319215723
It appears to be the only movie in all of cinema that gets wide praise exclusively for the technical effects it puts together. Any other movie that has revolutionized technical achievements in film simply gets trashed as meaningless tripe.
>>319215723
I wish several people in this thread had already answered that question. That would be nice, wouldn't it? If you could fucking read?
>>319215723
for whatever reason or another, this movie was chosen for study at a prestigious film school. a whole generation of cinematographers were trained with kane as a gold standard to compare all other films to, and they taught the next generation to do so, and so on and so forth
kinda like religion. but hollywood
>>319212909
Bioshock Infinite is the Nolan North of vidya though.
Citizen Kane is famous not because it's a good movie by todays standards, but because it did revolutionary things for its time.
So I would say Mario 64, but that game is still fucking great.
My next proposal would then be Space Wars, but that was too early to count as changing a trend and was more of a "first" than an innovator.
I'm going to go with Tetris. Innovative, loved by everyone, still a good game but extremely simple, probably kids hate it because it's just a puzzle game.
See, the hard part about this question is that we are too old to make an objective judgement about old videogames we played compared to old movies.
>>319216049
Then wouldn't something like Mario 64 be the best candidate for the "citizen Kane" of vidya?
>>319216143
So, does this mean that people who want the "Citizen Kane" of gaming want a game that has good technical details right like level design, graphics, story, character, music, and direction?
The real question is which game is Killer Klowns from Outer Space? Banjo-Kazooie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH2BG8d8Q4s
>>319216586
That and the game has to be a not-so--subtle stab at a major business figure or politician.
>>319210420
>>319210719
I'd say SMB as it changed the mindset of "high score" arcade to "beat the game" home console
>>319209391
>what would you say is the actual Citizen Kane of gaming?
There is no Citizen Kane of gaming, and there never will be one because games and movies are two separate things.
Many years ago, game industry executives attempted to crossbreed video games with movies.
They failed, but the public was so hungry for new video games that sales were still made regardless of product quality.
These sales compelled the executives to continue grafting half-baked stories onto games that had little to no substance.
The results speak for themselves; games shove trite narratives in between checkpoints and want to you to "press X to pay respects."
No matter how much you spin it, video games are, at their very cores, binary experiences where players either win or lose.
This approach is antithetical to the kind of storytelling that made Citizen Kane one of the greatest films of all time.
>>319216586
No they want a narrative-focused, graphix focused game, because they don't have any idea what such a title actually implies. They fell for the meme that citizen Kane is famous for its story
>>319216375
For me, the hard part about that question is that many people would refute Tetris, Mario 64, and all the other old games. Instead, I fear that people will claim that indie games are the "Citizen Kane" of gaming because their "innovative".
>>319216586
The creator also has to have developed such an immense ego that he thinks himself above any and all other projects and throws a bitch fit because of a pea commercial and robot cartoon
>>319214413
Quite a few 3D games before Mario 64 on the PC at least.
>>319216968
Indie gaming is anything but innovative, they do nothing but rip-off and dumb-down older concepts.
>>319214185
>Star Wars never got the same treatment
youre joking right?
Some good contenders might be Super Mario Bros for its influence on platforming or Ultima Underworld for its interactive 3D environments and immersive world simulation in general.
>>319216497
If you stopped reading at "camera work", sure. Citizen Kane is important because it used the absolute most of the medium to convey a story. I think a more appropriate candidate would be one of the many old school RPGs that allowed the player to influence the story to a large degree.
>>319214993
>I'm sorry your ADHD riddled brain couldn't handle a movie that didn't have anything explode and nobody made a dick or fart joke.
You sound like you get laid a lot
Halo 3 of course!
>>319217165
>Indie gaming is anything but innovative
You serious? The only gameplay innovation we ever get at all is from indie games, bug budget games simply can't afford the risk.
I can give you a list of games I consider innovative if you want, they are mostly indie.
>>319209391
What is the most influential game in terms of mechanics and overall design? What game do devs go back to as a point of reference without even knowing it? That is the Citizen Kane of Gaming.
>>319218367
Ocarina of Time. As much as mario did, zelda took that work and added z targeting and cinematics. 3D games were shit before it.
>>319219315
Also the contextual button.
>>319217926
Indie games aren't really innovative. They don't have the same level of influence as Tetris, Mario, Final Fantasy, or GTA.
>>319214185
I watched citizen kane for the first time last month andstar wars iv and v for the first time last nightand I can honestly say I enjoyed citizen kane more
The CKOG has been under our nose this whole time.
>>319219852
No, but no game does anymore. Game developers are too big to make games in wildly different directions even if something really innovative appears. The only innovation on that scale we get anymore is hardware related, like motion controls or VR.
>>319219852
*COUGH* Minecraft
Doom, search it's history.
>>319214993
>>319214648
>>319214529
Correct
>>319214185
Your undermining the great coming of age story that it portrays. The movie isn't typical blockbuster shlock nowadays. And it is one of the rare B&W film that has a bad end for the main character, but isn't edgy and loud about it. Citizen Kane isn't the greatest film ever, but it is a great for multiple reasons. Like Kane being an unlikeable shtick as he is. Is still a greater and more complex character in comparison to Darth Vader or Emperor Palpatine (Yes this is an unfair comparison). If you want a closer example. He's a better version of Jordan Belfort (Leonardo Dicaprio). And to make it more impressive Orson Welles had like 100% control with a contract that was dastardly rare to have. And it is the one of the best Debut films ever from an auteur.
I still prefer my 3x3/pic related over Citizen Kane, but Citizen Kane is top 50 quality for films.
Also Star Wars owes itself to Japanese Cinema with Akira Kurosawa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9V2T1ONA2I
>>319211232
I don't like 3d platformers.
>>319223780
>>319211232
I should clarify some more:
I don't like platformers and I hate collectathons.
>>319209887
Yeah. Space Invaders, and on the first reply. GG /v/.
What is the Citizen Kane of movies?
>>319209391
>With this in mind, what would you say is the actual Citizen Kane of gaming?
GTA 3
Super Mario 64
FF 6
Morrowind
"The Citizen Kane of gaming" means its the most overrated game, Citizen Kane is a fucking meme if you dont get it and only considered the best most groundbreaking movie that laid the fundamentals for modern cinematography because its a meme and its a meme opinion because everyone working or studying in this genre is expected to say so even if they think its an overrated piece of shit.
Its a pleb opinion just likey thinking call of duty is the best game ever or something(but its tolerated since there are so many plebs, just as there are so many kids into call of duta)
>>319225039
You absolutely didn't add anything to the conversation.
>>319225273
Yes I did, I clarified the term "The Citizen Kane of gaming" is the most overrated old shit game, not actually the best game, so everyone understands.
Had no one mentioned Deus Ex yet? Seriously?
>>319209391
>What is the x of gaming
The answer is ALWAYS Planescape: Torment.
>>319225039
You didn't really read the OP, did you?
He clearly stated that the term was thrown around because people didn't understand what Kane did for film. No one has said it was the best movie ever, nor does it mean the best game ever.
You're retarded.
What's the first FPS with iron sights? Because almost every FPS these days has them.
