Why do people say Age of Empires 2 is better than Aoe3?
i dunno lol
I think AoE3 really mishandled the time period. If it had been more focused on things like Napoleon, the Seven Years War, or the Dutch Rebellion I would have liked it more.
>>318445643
nostalgia
>>318446238
STOP THIS.
>>318445643
Because it is
>>318446459
BODY ONCE TOLD ME
2 is slower as the game goes on. grand strategy plays a more important role
3 is about micro, timing and composition
i think 3 is a better game for multiplayer, but it lacks a lot of charm, and outside of the home city variations within a civ, there are clearly optimal shipment orders and build lines. it bottles players in to very samey games with just a little surprise.
if there were a 4, i'd like to see more units in the field, more unit tech lines (as in more than one) to increase complexity. starcraft 2 can suck a dick and i wish other rts were not so cornered into following the balance train
>>318446262
This. Rise of Nations is best Age of Empire though.
>leveling up
>home cities
>cards
>XP
nobody liked that shit
Because it is.
>own both
>play AoE2 for years
>stop playing AoE3 after a few hours cause it's shit
How can you say AoE3 is better?
>retarded card shit
>no proper resource gathering, just taking from some stupid carts
That alone makes it garbage. The only thing I liked was the fact that you could do those quests in-game to get "heroes" or extra units/gold, but that's literally the only thing that game did right. It died for a reason.
>>318445643
HELLO?
>>318447282
/v/ - Politically Incorrect
>>318447113
i did like home cities. having a water deck and fish boom option, or early unit shipments building to critical mass, or defending with a quick wall up and heavy economy deck, or pulling those 2 falcs from home, calling minutemen and spawning 10 janissary when your tc is pressured... it was cool, kind of unique in the rts
Is Age of Mythology good?
>>318447543
Considered just as good as, if not better than AoE2 by most
wololo
>>318447543
PROSTAGMA
3 is better for multiplayer, 2 is imbalanced as fuck. You either play as huns on land maps or vikings on sea maps or don't play at all.
>>318447468
Do you know why people get offended by stereotyping? Because they cannot with good conscience deny that it is true.
>>318447752
i actually dont think i played with any huns/viking in games i played, but then again I don't play ranked so i imagine it's where all the mlg tryhards are, unranked is pretty chill for the most part pretty good variety in players choosing civs if i had to say
>>318445643
because it is
>>318447752
This isn't true at all
If you play huns on black forest you know the Britons are gonna rape your shit.
Also Goths Frank's Saracens and Japanese are pretty cool too
>>318446161
It also had terrible campaigns
>>318447590
WE DEM BOYZ
>>318446238
are the crystal gems...
My compatriots were once royalty.
Why are so many AoE2 threads getting hijacked by /pol/fags recently?
>>318452468
maybe they're mad about this, idk.
>>318452608
>mad because a game is getting more content
i don't understand
>>318452468
It's not so much /pol/fags as it is people who just like a dank meme.
>>318452904
but the shitposting doesn't contribute anything of value to the thread
hijackers are literally making it harder for people who want to discuss the game to do so
>>318453023
You could always try /vg/.
AOE3 came out way too late to make a lasting impression in the RTS genre. It was released when the popularity of such games peaked and was on the decline. Maybe if it came out 2-3 years earlier, it would have been much more memorable game.
On top of that, it's a very mediocre game, it has it's moments but overall it feels like a step back in the gameplay department and some features such as the home cities are not fully flushed out. Other features feel unnecessary and a burden on the gameplay. But my biggest personal gripe is the direction shifting from real historical events and people, to 'characters' specifically designed to fit the scenario.
Bluntly put AOE 1 and 2 had the Scenario's built around the Historical Events and Participants of those event's.
AOE3 for the most part had the Character's built to fit the Scenario. It felt forced and detracted alot from the core of AOE.
Empire Earth did everything that AOE3 should have done and did it much sooner and much better. Except the sequels fuck the sequels.
AOE2 is timeless.
AO3 is forgotten.
Empire Earth is under appreciated.
Aoe2's soundtrack is burned into my mind
>>318453085
Or /vr/. >>>/vr/2821734
>>318445643
Because they are blinded by Nostalgia
III is better in many ways
>>318453242
go back to tumblr
>>318453183
Empire Earth 2 is in no way shit. Just get a few mods to tweak things, such as unlimited buildings in territory, and it stands up for its predecessor.
In fact, as much as I loved playing the game for dozens of hours, I realize now the game has so many flaws. The AI always cheats to the point where it's unfun, the unit tree is messed up, and the pathing is just bad for an RTS game.
The game is way too stretched out than it should be.
>>318447543
Greeks > Norse > Filthy Egyptians
>>318447113
It was great and gave civs variety
If they ever made an Age of Empires IV, what ages would it cover?
The concept art in the manual for III implied that IV would be a modern-esque game and V would be in the far future.
>>318454537
it's literally never going to happen
>>318445643
I think the switch from historical campaigns to some weird discovery channel thing was one of the problems. That and the card gimmick was too central to the game. A 30 years war campaign would have also been neat.
>>318454537
The 19th-20th centuries.
I want to play as the Chinese during the Opium wars, I want to have a line of musketmen firing upon approaching cavalry. I want a trench warfare map, I want to blitzkreig as germany, I want to command a squad of vietcong in the jungle, I want to invade the falklands, I want to call in AC-130's in desert storm.
I want more flexibility and sidegrades for my troops, like say I could choose to upgrade certain troops from Musketmen to Rifleman. Give my rifleman smokeless powder upgrade. Train Marines with Assault Rifles or Battle Rifles. Give tanks co-axial 50 cals, etc etc.
Well the campaign in AoE3 was terrible, much better multiplayer though.
![ss_b_11%5B1%5D[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kKvxlri.jpg "ss_b_11%5B1%5D[1].jpg")
>mods actually doing their job
thanks
>>318456363
epic /r9k/ meme bro
>>318448114
What does that have to do with you proselytizing where it's not welcome?
>>318456461
>he does it for free
>/r9k/ meme
I thought it was /sp/
>>318456363
fuck off, Thank you based mod
Daily reminder to report all shitposts
>>318453183
AOE3 also had some odd comp ability issues from time to time. Much worse than AOE2 has despite the publisher being the fucking developer of its designated OS platform.
And playing online with randoms was laggy as hell, but that might have to do with European internet at the time.
i really liked age of empires 3. colonization of the new world was always more interesting to me than intra-european wars. and i liked how every army in 3 felt different whereas every army in 2 is basically the same apart from the special unit at the castle.
i think people are so reactionary and anti-AoE3 is because they wanted AoE3 to be a reskinned AoE2 and be the same type of hyper-balanced, "build order"-centric game as AoE2.
>>318454768
;_:
>>318456658
The colonization of the US is a boring setting, everyone that liked aoe2 for its cultural diversity hated it because it was MUH USA WE SO RELEVANT
Will this game teach me world history?
>>318456886
Good thing aoe3 was the colonization of the Americas instead of just the US
>>318456947
Probably not.
>>318456886
But it's not like there any usa faction, only the maps. The expansion added asia which added onto the differentiation of factions as well.
>>318457018
Keep telling yourself that.
>>318456947
yes.
it will teach you that people of african descent were once great rulers of large african kingdoms.
everyone, they were all of the royal class, the class system did not exist in africa.
>>318456886
i don't know what you're talking about. usa wasn't even an army and only a handful of levels take place in the united states
>>318457192
why do you shitpost
why
explain it to me. i want to know.
>>318457309
They do it to spite the mods and janitors, I received an unjustified warning because of them, I'm getting sick of this shit
>>318445643
you had to be there I guess
>>318457649
why should i care
you still haven't answered my question
>>318456947
Not heavily but it might inspire you to go read about some of the civilizations and/or campaign heroes. I remember I did a report on Attila the Hun in middle school because AoE II got me interested about it.
>>318456464
i fucking read it. those campaigns are unforgettable
>>318457189
Okay so the campaigns of the Aztecs as well as the colonies in the Caribbean was all about the US?
What about the Japanese campaigns?
The Chinese campaign was about a pretend expedition to California but that still isn't the original 13 colonies now is it?
>>318452718
Black people being represented as a major medieval power somehow triggers people.
AOE 3 over-complicated everything in a mediocre way.
Also, too much gunpowder/10
thanks mods
>>318458370
maybe it's because they're represented wrongly
the mali empire wasn't nearly as advanced as any of the other aoe2 empires and the greatest, most profound contribution from their society was that hideous LITERALLY dirt mosque in Mali. their architectural standards were mud huts. and yet their late game architecture within the game ditches any sort of realistic malian architecture and instead the devs had to find a way to pretend that the malians were advanced so they appropriate north african architecture for their late game. the malians never built anything that looked like this.
**this is a real complaint, don't delete this for free**
>>318458427
>people complaining about AoE3 because of it's setting
>>318459893
do you have a single fact to back that up
>>318459893
looks accurate to me.
>>318460957
not even remotely
>>318460957
That was accomplished because they were a semetic colony.
aoe2 mp when?
>>318460957
That's just extra cool mud huts.
In this pic: >>318459893 it has skilled masonry with stone.
>>318447752
They nerfed Huns, Mayans and some other OP civs in the latest patch.
>tfw see this thread again
>expect shitposting
>shitposting happens
>mods kill shi5posters
ITS A BEAUTIFUL MORNING TODAY
Who based Japan here?
>>318459893
Actually it does look like the real dirt one.
I just want the ability to build roads.
Is that really too much to ask? They don't even have to effect the gameplay at all. My base building autism demands it.
>>318461796
japanese a shit, SHIT
>>318461796
my nigga
>>318462217
Say that to my face you baka senpai!And those arent filtered words!
>>318459893
The Huns and Mongols never reached the IRL castle age either, but /pol/ never complains about that.
Don't pretend it's about historical accuracy while having such blatant double standards.
AoE 1 HD remake when?
It's a shame the game is so dated. I have a copy and play it often but there isn't much of a market for it now.
Carthaginians da best
>>318463136
They already remade itIt was called AoE Online
>>318453946
>tfw I feel like I'm the only one who even remembers EE2
glad to know there's someone else out there
>>318463289
Not even close friend.
>>318447543
>asking if AoM is any good
>not experiencing it for yourself
>not defending Atlantis by killing a statue possessed by your god and ascending to godhood your self
>only to see it get fucked up by your son by listing to some titan puppet and sink your home island
![Angkor_Wat[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/X3m7Da5.jpg "Angkor_Wat[1].jpg")
Are there enough civilizations left for a final AoE2 expansion?
>Tibet
>Khmer Empire (they ruled most of South East Asia)
>Saxons?
Home City and Card aspect was stupid as fuck.
Also didn't need to build mines, lumber mills, etc which I didn't like. Setting was mishandled and the campaigns were shitty. Could have used a few more Civs, although I never played the expansion which I'm sure rectified this.
I did like the trade routes system and Native American tribes, that was well done if you ask me.
>>318464019
Saxons are effectively the Vikings.
Conquerors even has Hastings.
>>318464019
Though a bit unorthodox, it'd be nice to have a Vatican/Papal State and the Swiss
>tfw i'll never build inside the saftey lf an italian town with Swiss allies sending a bunch of guards to defend my town
Pic very related
Campaigns tier list
Genghis Khan > El Cid > Saladin > Barbarossa > William Wallace > Atila the Hun > Joan of Arc > Montezuma
>>318464019
>Swiss
>Mississippians
>Austronesians/Malays/Polynesians
>maybe some kind of Khitan/Altaic/Tungusic civ
>maybe some kind of Finno-Ugric civ
>>318464757
Defensive anti-monk based CIV? UU is either inquisitor, or swiss guard. Team bonus is reduced monk tech cost, Tech could be a bonus to halberds, or increased relic gold income, or something like that. Get most of the tech tree, minus horse archer and archer stuff. Sound about right?
>>318464019
Mississipian civilization?
>>318447543
SKEEPAN
>>318465576
I've been to Cahokia. It's pretty damn cool
>>318465862
there's not really a difference
>>318465379
That sounds aweome. Might be nice if one Monk can convert a unit and 1 extra adjacent unit as a special ability.
>>318453305
>11/27/15 AD
>17 replies
Seems about right.
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VYHkQY5.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
What's the best race to pick in this game? Is there a paper rock scissors kind of balance?
I was at a friend's house and we wuz just wondering for team composition.
>>318466167
Aztecs
>>318466167
Byzantines is objectively the best civ especially for beginners or defensive players. Best tower techs.
>>318447113
speak for yourself
![350px-Scandinavia[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/qNKy19k.png "350px-Scandinavia[1].png")
Are there any Scandinavian empires? Or did they only become relevant well after the renaissance?
>>318465192
>Austronesians/Malays/Polynesians
They never made it past the dark age, and I say this as a Maori. If you're including them, then you might as well have Eskimo's, Abo's and other tribes people.
At the very least it would make /pol/ mad.
>>318464757
A Vatican State could have some interesting and unique mechanics.
>Can convert enemy town centers, but not able to build any of their own
>Population capped at 50% of everybody else, but able to convert multiple enemy units at once
>Start with a relic in their base
>Pope special unit, but can only have one at a time
>>318466167
Spirit of the law plz go
But Saracens are a very complete civilization, maybe a little bit lacking on the early game, but good luck trying to stop a fully boomed Saracen, having elite zealot mamelukes and heavy zealot camels, hand cannoners, mass hussars, bombard cannons, monks and siege onager.
You can add champions, arbalests, Heavy cavalry archers, and siege rams.
>>318464019
Red Indians?
>>318466167
Depends on your playstyle
Byzantines, Koreans and Mayans are pretty good defensively
Naval combat is Vikings/Koreans
Infantry spam is Goths/Malians
Cavalry rushes is Huns/Franks
>>318464757
>tfw someone else recognized the great reaction image potential of Pope Julius II
>>318466167
If you have The Forgotten, the Magyars are very strong. They have an almost complete tech tree. Their UU is a Hussar, with almost knight stats, for only food.
Gotta go with Byzantines for best new player civ though. I guess they don't get bloodlines for a reason.
>>318466167
It's highly contextual. On a water maps, the Vikings are king. On an easily walled map defensive and late-game civs have the advantage. On open maps, Huns, Mongols and other cavalry archer civs are gods.
Generally speaking, I think the Mayans are a best civ for new players. They're very versatile and have a great economy bonus.
But the game's actually reasonably balanced, so you should just pick whichever is coolest to you.
>>318466975
>Spirit of the law
That guy is seriously autistic or something.I seriously can't get enough of his videos,I don't even play online either, I just love deep technical explanations of game mechanics no matter the game.
>>318462696
>tfw mods prove their greatness again
PUHPUM PUHPUMMM
>>318467596
I love that guy too, more than that byzantines fan-fuckboi of ZeroEmpires.
Japanese are not that great, to be honest.
Cool they got the best infantry, but other civs can out-class them.
>>318457867
Ha, I did one on the aztecs.
AoE2 is way too damn good, man.
>>318467962
>RRRRrreh
>>318468087
>>318467962
An upbeat strange funkish forest kind of feel
>>318468618
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAV3bY66aL4
>>318456947
On a basic level by just playing the game, not really.
Playing the campaign will give you a good base idea of historical events.
The real fluff is in that delicious, delicious Historical Codex they have on the main page. Just start reading about your favorite Empire, and then you just get drawn in. It's what started getting me interested in (medieval) history.
>>318467962
>>318468087
>>318469028
>not posting this
http://youtu.be/AyCa6BPlhfM
How are the African campaigns?
I got tired of the Forgotten missions because, in contrast to the vanilla/Conquerors, there seems to be very few missions where you're allowed to build a base and actually do Age of Empires shit. I'm okay with trying to appeal to historical realism, but I'm playing an arcadey RTS of medieval warfare, not Realism Modded Medieval 2. I stopped at the first mission of the Bari Campaign, though Alaric was okay, it was mostly Dracula that pissed me off with so many stupid levels I had to slog through.
And god damn whoever thought that "risk" map for Dracula was a good idea, where the final base was a long route with the width of only 3 units (AI's with mangonels suck), and then there was that indestructible castle on the opposing side of the river.
>>318445643
>Age3
Only good with the Napoleonic Era Mod. I don't know about you guys, but building up a city's XP over time gives me more drive to play and gain levels than other games.
2.1.8 when?
>Last post on site was September 27th
>>318470252
The African campaigns are great. Much better than Forgotten Empires. It's fully voiced and has much more base building.
I'd like to see a rerelease of AoE but maybe with some of the improvements from 2
>>318473139
Just get the HD team to do it, they seem to know their stuff.
>>318464757
>>318465192
>Swiss
They should earn interest on all the gold they have.
Like, for every hundred gold in resources they get 1 free gold every few seconds.
On top of that, their team bonus should be that tributes are free.
This way, in team games allied players would send all their gold to the Swiss player so he could rank up that interest. The Swiss end up hoarding and controlling all the gold for their alliance.
>tfw mass war wagons
>>318475730
worse than hitler.
