Anyone else shocked that BF4 became the best Battlefield title after releasing as the worst?
>>318364280
playing it right now, I still think it's the worst
con's
over complicated weapon balancing
really poor map designs, some maps are too vertical, so actually controlling an area is impossible, and half your team sits on the tallest roof with snipers
servers arn't region lockable, for non-US players this is a big deal
the points are too bonus based, I can shoot down a chopper that has made 50 kills and get two hundred points, or almost kill one guy and get a pile of random points
the mortar STILL doesn't work
resupplying explosives is a nightmare
LMG's don't work as LMG's, and bipods still don't work reliably
pro's
lock on weapons stop helicopter rape
the USAS is no longer a thing
sure the fall patch fixed a lot of things, but many were things that should have been right from day one
I stopped giving a shit about this series with BF Hardfail
Bugfield 4 was the worst 2013 game for me too
EA is such a shitty company
From experience:
BC2>BF3>BFH>>>BF4
Too bad BFH got the best netcode. I would still play the shit out of bc2 if it wouldnt have horrible netcode
BF4 is fucking shit compared to BF3.
Fucking idiots complaining about the blue filter, and now it's a grey filter. Everything looks ugly as fuck.
I used to enjoy playing on Caspian Border, with the green grass/trees, and now it's filled with shitty orange trees and brown grass.
Fuck BF4.
>>318365863
Too bad Caspian Border is a piece of shit map regardless.
>>318364280
Did it though? I haven't touched it in a while. They fucked that launch up so badly. I played hardline and I liked that the game actually ran really well but there was such a terrible lack of weapons and content it didn't even feel like a battlefield game because of it. BC2 was way better then both of them. And I might get shit for this but battlefield 3 was my favorite and the one I played the shit out of.
>Mfw old caspian border had a real forest that you could actually hide from helicopters in.
>Now just a single tree here and there, and an ugly wall to match.
>>318366025
Just because you liked Operation Metro doesn't make other maps shit.
>>318366039
Fuck anyone who doesn't like BF3, man, it was an incredible game.
>>318364280
How is it compared to Battlefiel 2? That's the only thing I care about. Battlefield 3 was so-so, especial since they didn't have a fucking commander mode.
>>318366582
BF4 and BF3 are pretty much the same shit, difference being BF4 has more content.
>>318366697
>>318366697
BF4 has commander mode
>>318366926
>BF4 has more content
Uh, what?
I picked up Titanfall and BF4 around the same time, but haven't even had the desire to stop playing Titanfall just to go back to a mundane shooter like Battlefield.
>>318364280
Except its still bad, they simply traded bugs and broken mechanics for awful balancing.
You're stuck on shit maps with shit players and insanely overpowered vehicles, not a fun game.
>>318367146
Dude I forgot about that game. People still play that?
I hate how stupid the Second Assault DLC was.
>Caspian Border
I liked it, but that stupid wall fucks up the map a bit.
>Firestorm
It was a good map, but it's a little annoying simply because if you don't take a vehicle from the deployment, you're stuck running from flag to flag.
>Gulf of Oman
A good map, but the sandstorm fucks all and it doesn't go away like the one in hardline does. Also, it's a remake of a remake of a map lol.
>Operation Metro
Don't know why they brought this stupid shit back when we already have Op Locker. It always plays out the same every single time. I was hoping for Kharg Island, Noshahr Canals, or Seine Crossing to be the 4th map.
>>318367265
Honestly just sounds like you're shit and won't admit it.
>>318364280
BC2 is still the best modern BF.
>>318367308
Hell yes, with Gametime and the recent Black Friday sale there are a nice amount of players. I haven't tried the more obscure modes though, but Attrition and Frontier Defense are always instant matchups.
>>318367337
>Liking call of battlefield: 32 players
>>318366582
I want to like BF3, I really do, but there's 2 things that ruin it for me.
All of the maps are chokepoint central. All of them, not just Metro. Metro is just the worst one.
And the game seems to be obsessed with obscuring your vision as much as possible.
Lensflare, flashlights, lasers, smoke, dust. Every fucking second there's some bullshit covering your screen.
Holy shit fuck the flashlights especially.
>>318367406
The maps were well designed and balanced around the smaller player count.
Besides, it's not like the later games weren't call of battlefield anyway.
>>318367490
>Atleast they teach you not to stare directly into the sun.
>Tfw flashlights ARE the sun.
>>318367330
Far from it.
>>318367557
IS BC2 still active. It's cheap on Steam and I was thinking of getting it.
>game has always been 'Team with most engineers who actually use their launcher wins'
>people haven't realized this since launch
>they fix the soflam/pld
>recons using them more often now
>still only 3 engineers on the team all using the RPG because they like to pretend they will hit something
>little bird assraping everything
>'OMG SHIT AA DO SOMETHING'
>said the engineer
>>318367648
I was just playing today. There's tons of servers still up.
>>318367387
Wow good to hear. I might have to give that game a go again soon. Dude sales are amazing it loads every game up with noobs to destroy. I've been running rocket league all weekend.
Well, I haven't touched Battlefield since BC2, but EA is throwing their Cyber Monday shill day and all of BF4 is $20.
What am I in for?
>>318367652
Just got it on sale. How do the recon binocs work? Lock in one vehicle and forget? Relock if they use countermeasures?
>>318367652
>Mfw I wanna play something other than engineer on a vehicle map.
>Team getting shit on by a chopper and a lone wolf tank.
>Welp looks like I'm being engineer for the rest of the game.
Map design is the most obvious glaring flaw. It's been years and DICE still hasn't figured out why Aftermath maps were the most played in 3.
Which is really sad, cause 4 fixed a lot of shit that was bad about 3.
>>318367984
BF4 is what BF3 was supposed to be
Get it if you into those things
>>318367984
Every round is a one sided stomp, clanfags will vehicle whore and farm you despite being terrible at the game, and you'll constantly die around corners and through walls.
>>318367984
Nice experience if you stick to Classic preset.
Lots of whining underages if you don't.
>>318367984
A game that's well worth 20 bucks. Prepare for tryhards though especially if you're picking up the PC version
>>318368003
You have to hold the lock on with the binoculars.
Soflam just has to be facing them.
>>318368003
Hold the lock. If they use countermeasures put them away til they run out because you're holding a giant red beacon to your face.
For the engineer it is fire and forget after you make the lock.
Have fun holding a lock for 5mins while the tank ignores you since your team has no engineers or they are all using shit launchers.
does bf4 still have that mobile-tier shit minigame for commander mode?
>>318368018
>not just playing engineer forever and enjoying it
>>318364280
You mean how it became below average after a series of rapes? The last good bf game will always be bc1.
>>318368062
Sure, I've heard good stuff, I was just never going to buy into any of that Season Pass shit so I put the game off until now. I assume the playerbase is still very active? Shillwars Battleflop can't be much competition for it.
>>318368174I bet you use the smaw
>>318368174
how is that spm even possible?
>>318368108
>>318368132
>You have to hold the lock
Oh fuck I've been doing it all wrong
Thanks lads
>shit launchers
Is the starter launcher decent? Since it's all I fucking have
>>318368068
This is true. I have a negative KDR because I have shit all for equipment.
>>318368174
Oh believe me, it's my most played class. 50 something service stars, and my other classes are under 20.
>>318368278
The starter launcher I believe has a lock on feature for laser targets so its ok.
I think it also has a short range heat seeking ability where it will turn straight down if it flies above a tank.
>>318368226
>>318368216
There are still many players on the game
You're talking about the Premium edition right? I don't think you need more DLCs or what
>>318368018
>>318368174
Anons, as an Assault player I just want you guys to know your work is always appreciated. Just know I try to revive you guys as much as possible.
>>318368425
Yea I got the Premium. The description says I get the game and all the expansions, for $20 that's well worth it.
Also gives me 12 battlepacks but I don't know what the fuck those are.
>>318368018
>>318367652
>50 engineers on team
>be recon
>use PLD
>noone shoots the fucking vehicles I mark for minutes
:^)
>>318368560
Every time
>>318368540
Battlepacks are pretty much just cases that you open and they give you attachments for weapons, camos, skins, etc.
>>318368416
Is the M4 actually worth using then?
>>318368132
Fucking this. It's why I hate painting because I know my team will never take advantage of it.
But then there's....
>Running around as engineer, using my SMAW as usual.
Oh shit, people are painting vehicles. Ok, I'll switch on a javelin after I die.
>Dies
>Puts on Javelin
>Spawn
>Never sees a single laser lock for the rest of the game.
>Mfw
>>318368606
How do you obtain them normally? Random drops? Store bought?
>>318368540
Battlepacks give you extra unlocks/bonuses, there's also a script you can use to open all of them at once so you're not clicking them individually for an hour. Just google it and you'll find the post.
>>318364280
I enjoy all BF since BF2 since that was the first one I played
2142 was fun with the mother ship at shits
the the Bad Company's destructive buiding was also super cool at that time when blew off the wall and make another entrace to gank the people camping the doorway.
then BF3 came out and it was basically BC2 but bigger more open and everything BF2 used to have in BC2.
and lastly BF4 was also fun to me with all the, eventho the gameplay should be the same, but somehow it all feel improved and different to me.
but then Hardline was very meh
It felt like it was a dumpdown BF4 with less shit to do, usually it always the same shits but with extra stuffs. now this one just not.
and Battlefront isnt even BF
>>318368652
You get them through leveling up your soldier rank, and through leveling up weapons and getting service stars for them. In order to get all the attachments for a gun you need to unlock their respective battlepacks.
>enemy is afk
>sneak near him with my bow and arrow
>3 arrows later I get blasted with Rex
I just want 1 kill godamn
>>318368431
I try my best to be the best Assault player I can lol. If my men are dying, who else will help me take that objective without my trusty defibs?
>>318368738
I see, thanks.
Now can you tell me why EA's download servers are so slow? I miss Steam already.
>>318368620
It's hard to get used due to how burst fire works, but great all-rounder overall.
>>318368826
Simple, Origin is shit.
I'm not suprised because it started becoming good after DICE LA was handed the game
>>318367652
I almost always play as an engineer and I always use the SRAW
>hitting tanks/LAV's/AA from miles away
>counter-sniping recon cunts far away
>delicious helicopter kills once you get the hang of the launcher
>can use laser lock-on
best weapon ever
>>318368826
Game's also like 60gb with all the DLC and shit.
>tfw unlocked the L85A2
>mfw it became my top weapon in 4 days
If I could fuck this gun I would.
>>318368174
M2 Slam tips pleaseis it shit?
>>318368980
;_;
I guess i'll play tomorrow then, this is before 7 DLC packs as well.
Gotta love those guys that don't charge the defibs before reviving you.
>Thanks for the revive, I love 20% health though.
Hell, or I atleast appreciate it if they defib you to 20% and throw a medkit on you.
Or what's worse is....
>Kill a huge group of enemies
>Somehow get kill by the last guy in the group
What do you know? He's a Medic.
>Revives like 6 guys you just killed
Makes you feel like it was all for nothing.
>>318365038
Battlefront could have used some of that weapon complexity
>>318368863
What attachments do you use?
Some boring hider/coyote/stubby shit?
>>318369295
If Battlefront flops, it will stand as a testament that you can't sell a game on graphics and atmosphere alone.
>>318369068
lmao i gave up on the SRAW after the spring patch, when that shit got sooo hard to turn. Then like every update after that, they kept fucking with it. Now it's weak as hell and can't one shot a chopper. Back to my trusty SMAW lol!
>>318369165
They are now because vehicle babies complained that they had to pay attention to where they were driving.
Still worth being used in that slot but nowhere near as potent as before.
>>318369183
Doesn't help that it feels like no one ever fucking revives let alone full revives. Fuck, I'm always responsible for like 85% of the team's revives, it's fucking sad and some people shouldn't be allowed to play Assault.
tfw dice is never gonna work on battlefield again and will be shitting out star wars shit forever
>>318369323
I mainly use heavy barrel, coyote and laser/light.
Works well for almost any gamemode, so i'm not complaining. I love M16A4/M4 so damn much.
>>318369438
maybe the BF5 will have Medic again
>>318369438
why are all support players literally brain dead? when I play as support so I can use muh RPK I just throw that shit down whenever I can
>>318369165
They used to be good lol. But mainly the only advantage they have over M15 Mines is that they can stick to a wall so they're not as obvious in comparison. But the damage is shittier in comparison, it used to take 3 SLAMS to destroy a tank, now its like 5 while the M15 only takes 2 mines.
>>318369323
Suppressor / Coyote / Folding + target detector
explain this
i die in 2-3 bullets
enemies die in half a clip, or even a full one
Did they remove that retarded Sniper glint from BF3 that gave you away from 3 miles out?
>>318369486
Thanks senpai. Wanted to get back into BF4 but it feels so fucking monotonous sometimes.
aus servers almost 100% conquest only now, which isn't as fun for a mostly Support player when it's all engineer clanfags in helis and tanks
>>318369595
ur shit
>>318369486
>Laser sight on anything
>Especially a carbine
Target detector is literally broken tier, if you aren't using that something is seriously wrong.
>>318369595
You do realize it makes a big difference depending on where you hit?
>>318369634
>trying to have fun in multiplayer video games as an Australian
Quit while you're ahead.
>>318369539
Hell, I throw my ammo down by people if i see icons all the time, or if theres a small group of squadmates set up somewhere, i'll spawn and drop a kit and be on my way in case they need it. Or simple shit such as a group of engineers shooting rpgs at tanks, drop the ammo because they're obviously gonna need it lol.
>>318369605
It still exists, it's just not as prominant as BF3 but it's there.
>>318369465
That's fucking excellent though.
Hopefully DICE LA get to do BC3, but it looks like they're losing a lot of staff as BF4 nears the end of support.
>>318369634
Australians have fucking awful taste in video games, anon.
There's a 48 player server that runs random gamemodes with mapvoting, it's pretty legit. Not always populated though.
>>318369904
Well that's nice, I admit it was a cool touch but it was definitely WAY overblown in BF3. Snipers had fucking flashlights attached to the top of their guns I swear.
>>318364280
best of the more recent ones maybe, but BF2142 is still THE best overall.
>>318364280
>sniper rifles don't onehit kill close-up when the enemy got an armor perk
It's trash
Oh god, the Defensive perk. It shit's on everything.
>>318369323
Hbar/Suppressor, vertical grip and Coyote.
>>318369963
we probably have shit taste because we have to buy multiplayer games based on how popular it is otherwise we'll never fill a server. I don't buy multiplayer games anymore unless it 1. has aus servers and 2. has a huge following
>>318367265
>insanely overpowered vehicles
LOL. Vehicles have never been weaker, shut up.
>>318370318
>Take it from me I have a .6 KDR and 37 hours played
>>318369605
A better question, did they somehow overhaul trw whole of the aesthetics so that it isn't a visual clusterfuck that tries its hardest to annoy you?
Scar-H with Coyote, Vertical grip, Flash Hider, and Magnifier. Never seems to fail me.
>>318370305
>Australian Planetside 2 server is ded
so much shitposting lost to the ages
>>318365732
BFH shouldn't even be up there, it's fucking terrible lol.
Thanks for the hint, 20€ is actually okay for the premium edition
>>318370432
BFH as a game was amazing, great netcode, much better map design than BC2/BF3/BF4, vehicles handled properly, and kit design was well balanced.
But people threw a fit because muh tonks muh armor.
Never played it. If it's anything like 3. No, it's shit. Fuck helicopters, assaults, metro, and every fucking retarded team mate who thinks they should take a vehicle because they spawned first. I'll stick with BC2.
Guess I'll pick it up for $20, sounds worth it.
Random question: can you get slug rounds for your shotgun in this one? I remember that being pretty satisfying in BC2
>>318370558
>>318370558
Pretty sure people threw a fit because it was an overmarketed overpriced reskin of an already bland game.
DICE LA > every other DICE
I hope they make BC3
>>318370405
Is that supposed to be me or the guy i quoted? Im betting on the latter.
>>318370623
Yep, slugs are still around.
>>318370558
People hated it because it was a shit cash-in that didn't have anywhere near the longevity 4 and 3 offered, or any of the other BF titles, really.
>>318370623
Yes and they're great. Sometimes.
I honestly don't get why should I play BF4 when PS2 is around. For the same amount of money BF4 and premium costs you will get most of the good shit in PS2 too. Despite the game being half dead, there's always a solid amount of players because of the server crunch.
>>318370567
BC2 a best but it kinda gets stale after like 400h
>>318370663
You anon, they buff tanks in every patch.
>>318370623
yep, but no 6x sniper scopes on an 870 MCS lol
>>318370769
Because it's worse in about every regard
It could be pretty good but they fucked it up
OP lock on rockets coupled with shit map designs make helicopters stupidly innefective. It's not enough to be a good pilot when you have like 3 fags locking onto you shooting an infinite stream of rockets that cripple your move speed. It wouldn't be that big a deal if the maps had some cover for air vehicles, but most are just shitty flat fields where you can't dodge a lockon even if you're two feet to the ground. It's like a chess game where one guy has the ability to flick rubber bands at the other dude's pieces, it punishes and skill the pilots have and rewards sitting on ammo containers. In bf3 it wasn't that bad because you could actually make the rockets break lock and pass you if you were good enough to dodge at just the right moment, but if you do that in 4 the rocket just does a 90 degree shift and hits you anyway.
>>318366582
It was. Mainly the infantry combat. Fuck air vehicles though. And fuck the M16A3.
>>318370853
Can you elaborate? I understand why PS2 is bad, I don't get how its bad compared to BF4
>>318370658
I hope they make 2143
>>318368826
Search for Origin R&D mode. In my case the download speed got way better.
>>318370814
Buff tanks in every patch? What? Are we playing the same game?
>>318369145
This. F2000 is a close second to me.
>>318370814
I don't think we play the same game
>loved battlefield 1942
>loved battlefield 2, especially special forces
>loved 2142
>bad company wasn't released on PC
>bc2 was announced with 1943 in tandem, but ultimately 1943 never came to PC either
>bc2 itself was okay
>bf3 was shit
>bfhardline beta was shit
After the 1943 bullshit, and how battlefield 3 and hardline were such shit, I can't possibly be convinced to give 4 a chance.
>BF4 became the best Battlefield title
How in the fuck could it possibly be better than anything from before bad company?
>>318371294
>>318371124
Pretty sure we are, I've played it since the beta and I can't see a single heavy armor nerf.
I'm guessing you actively whore tanks and get really defensive when someone implies they are too strong.
Best Battlefield coming through.
>>318371417
>that fucking theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFpHm8kfVa4
>>318370974
Whenever I played PS2 I felt that I, as the individual player, am completely negligible, and that the whole outcome of our battles doesn't matter, at all. You're always fighting these huge battles with dozens to hundreds of players on every side, people croakand respawn constantly, there's no real sense of any proper tactics going on, but just two forces throwing themselves at each other. Then, after you've played for 3 hours and conquered some areas, you log in the next day and the map has completely changed, all your achievements are gone, everything is back to square one.
Of course this is also the case for BF4, since we're playing rounds and everything is gone after the round ends. But there I feel like I can make a big difference as a player, and I feel satisfied after winning a round, or hell even just after losing a close round.
In BF4, I can pack a squad and go for some spec ops missions- capture a flag in the back, sabotage their base, get behind their backs and murder their recons, shit like that. After such an actzion the pace of the battle usually changes, and I feel like I influence stuff. I never feel like that in PS2.
Plus I feel like BF4 has the better gunplay, visuals, and audio effects
Plus there's all the vital unlockables in PS2 that leave a sour taste in my mouth, but I guess BF4 has similar shit too
Granted I haven't played either game for more than ~20 hours, maybe PS2 becomes really enjoyable when you join an organized team, or something.
>>318371520
sounds like the of orcs and men soundtrack
>>318371615
>I felt that I, as the individual player, am completely negligible
It's almost like an MMO PvP game isn't based around the individual player
>>318371387
M8 i have played since the beta too, got like 2k hours clocked in, and tanks were always the most okay thing in this game, after the boats. Now they are going on a nerf everything spree. They keep fucking air and want to bring that shitstorm to the ground too. Literally the only good thing they have done is making the abrams move like the other 2 tanks. Other than that they nerfed the hmg and now tanks take more dmg on the front. Also they are buffing lock on faggotry like the staff and guided shell so that piloting a tank becomes as bad as trying to fly a chopper in this game. DICE LA has lived long enough to become the villain at this point. Should have sticked to fixing bugs.
>>318371615
So you feel like you influence stuff when everything you've worked for in the past 20 minutes is completely erased and you start over back at square one, but not when you help your faction lock down an entire continent, securing it for hours and providing your faction with a resource bonus for the duration?
Sounds to me like you have ADD
>>318371738
It could do both though, allow people to capture things behind the enemy lines and it's now also fun for small groups of people
>>318371864
Yes, because the gameplay is much more fun and I don't need to feel some sense of belonging to a tribe to feel accomplished in BF4
>>318371615
>as the individual player, am completely negligible
There are 64 people in a game, dude. Why do you think Battlefield pushes the squad thing so hard? It's because you as an individual will never get done as much as a good, co-ordinated squad can (unless you're basically a god at the game). So in a sense, yeah, the individual player is pretty negligible in the big picture, there's only so many objectives one guy can hold down or capture.
>>318371965
Yeah I should have said small groups of people, if you're a group of 4 in BF you can achieve much, in PS2 not so much
>>318371965
Disregard this, I'm a tired retard and totally misread your post.
>>318371864
Don't try and act like PS2 is any betterin that regard at least ;^)dude. They're both as bad as each other.
>>318371958
I just don't get it. Planetside 2 has everything a round based game does, only the "rounds" are flexible and the game doesn't dictate how long they are. The teams' skill does. Then instead of a loading screen to load up the next map you move on to a new base.
>>318371615
I used to feel the same way about PS2 until I realized how to make key tactical moves that would tip the scales in our favor. Things like flanking to clear a choke so our guys could snowball through, parking a sunderer in a really good location, starting a capture and abandoning it to tie up enemies so they aren't fighting my guys, etc. Usually I just play dragonforce and shoot people or do shitty air passes, but when you actually get into the game there's a lot of difference one guy can make.
>>318369734
I guess it's just placebo then
I normally don't use the laser-attachment on any big, open maps. But i normally play on more closed, urban maps anyway, like Pearl Market.
>>318372258
Rounds have a clear goal you're working towards. With every kill or captured flag you're making a tangible difference in the game. I just don't feel like that when playing PS2, probably because the scope is so huge
>>318372113
You're right. Ultimately it gets reset, but there are temporary rewards for the faction that wins a map in PS2
>>318372442
Planetside 2 also has clear goals you're working towards. Capture all of a certain type of base. Control a certain percentage of the map. Connect your warpgate all the way to an enemies. It's up to the players to decide which to aim for to beat both the other factions on a continent.
It's a team focused game. If you get into it solo and play solo you won't have a very good time. That was my issue with it.
>>318372258
In one scenario you win, in the other you capture a base for a while. One has an end, the other does not, some people don't like that while others enjoy it. It's not hard to figure out.
>>318372603
If an adult needs the game to bring all the fun to a complete stop to tell them "you won, look at all these numbers and badges we're adding to your pile of numbers and badges" to feel a sense of satisfaction or accomplishment they might have brain problems.
>>318372594
The post after yours basically summed it up. PS2 feels like an endless war, because the tides shift constantly and the accomplishments of one day are usually gone the next day. In BF4 it's more like a series of short battles that have a clear winner and loser and I prefer that,
>>318371069
I sincerely hope they don't. But they already are most likely on it. The 2142 setting is fond in my memories and I don't want them to ruin it.
It sure would look pretty on the engine though.
>>318372258
Not that dude but planetside's problem is the huge ass grind you need to do if you want to pilot anything. Also theres a ton of options for literally everything and the person just feels overwhelmed. Also since theres no rounds the game doesnt feel like it has any closure unless you come into the back end of an alert, but even then you just jump onto another continent.
Not saying PS2 is bad. Ive put 800+ hours into it, but theres a reason why people might not like it. Besides the sorta sci-fi setting. Modern warfare seems more appealing, dunno what it is.
>>318372881
Maybe you should just stop using bropsychology to satisfy your need to feel superior to others
>>318371352
Compared to the newer ones I suppose.
It is playable when you limit yourself to classic mode, but it still lacks many things.
>>318372949
>and the accomplishments of one day are usually gone the next day
And any accomplishments in a round based game are always gone as soon as the round is over
>>318371417
Literally worst battlefield and the reason why modern BF games are also shit.
I had a pasta for this somewhere but I'm too lazy to look it up so, off the top of my head:
No planes
No prone
No Conquest Large
No Commander
Rush focused instead
HORRID class balance (medics with LMG's)
HORRID weapon balance (M60, Carl Gustav...)
Corridor Maps
Shit weapon handling, shit weapon models (half the guns eject to the wrong side)
Meaningless squad play
Split the community into casual and "hardcore" mode
Infinite sprinting, negating yet another resource you had to manage
infinite vehicle ammo
BLOOOOM everywhere
Dorito shooting a.k.a. 3D spotting.
And I'm sure that's still missing half the list of grievances.
>>318373270
In one game I get a feeling of accomplishment, in the other I don't as much. Capturing a base doesn't feel the same as winning a game. Hell, capturing a flag feels about as good as capturing a base in PS2 to me.,
>>318369183
>playing BF4 on and off for about a year.
>just hit rank 130
>only then just realized that if you hold down the charge button with the defibs it gives your team mate full health instead of just 20.
HAHAHAHAHAHA, I'm such a goof!
Buy hey, at least I always through down medkits.
>>318373358
>No planes
Which means better air-ground balance
>No prone
Which means less camping
>HORRID class balance (medics with LMG's)
Every class is viable, has its uses and tools, and has a variety of playstyles
>Shit weapon handling,
Bullshit
>Meaningless squad play
Explain
>Split the community into casual and "hardcore" mode
You dislike having more gameplay options to suit your desires?
>BLOOOOM everywhere
What are graphic settings
>Dorito shooting a.k.a. 3D spotting.
Less camping, which together with no prone allows recons to have really strong and fun snipers without being stupid overpowered, also hardcore mode
Different != worse
BC games are intended to feel more arcadey and play faster, with less camping, and they succeed at that
>>318373707
>Meaningless squad play
I'm assuming it's in reference how squads in BF2 and 2142 were subgroups that a commander could give commands to, and they essentially just turned into spawn beacons. Especially when the maps are so linear that there's typically only one point to attack or defend anyway.
>>318373823
But that actually encourgaes squad play, since everyone can spawn on everyone else, making for teamplay and prolonged firefights despite the smaller playercounts
>>318373938
encouraging something doesn't make it meaningful.
It's only function is "spawn on teammate"
>>318374148
And yet it is meaningful since I'll always join a squad and play wit5h them right away in every round of BC2 I play
>>318365071
>playing a Battlefield game within 2 years of release
>not waiting for some patches
>>318373707
>BC games are intended to feel more arcadey
Agreed, but half this shit carried over into the regular BF series and turned it to shit aswell.
They Call-of-Dutified the entire series because of this entrances success.
And the regular title was never given a chance again.
>Which means less camping
No, it meant less tactical options.
May I remind you of "Wookies"?
There was plenty of camping to go around in this game.
>Every class is viable, has its uses and tools,
But some are more viable than others. There was literally no reason to pick anything other than medic on infantry only maps.
None.
>>Shit weapon handling,
>Bullshit
Focus was on full auto for a more "cinematic experience" or some shit, I don't even remember if weapons were select fire at all. Recoil was no issue either so firefights took pretty much no skill whatsoever.
Try playing BF2 like you played BC2 and see where that leads you.
>Explain
Squads were too small, the maps too small and without too little flanking maneuver.
The only reason to be in a squad was about getting more points on occasion, but whether you were in one or not hardly ever made a difference.
>What are graphic settings
Irrelevant, still bad design. But it was the flavor of the year back then so I guess I can let it slide.
BC2 moved the franchise from it's somewhat-tactical combined arms gameplay to an arcade corridor shooter COD-with-more-players experience.
BF2 was one of the greatest games of all time and because of this game we might never see the likes of it again.
And that is why I hate it.
>>318374179
It's also a functionality that existed in previous titles' alongside such functions as being able to order a supply drop, artillery strike, UAV, vehicle drop, or even request orders from the commander.
>>318374356
>There was literally no reason to pick anything other than medic on infantry only maps.
Recons shit all over medics since they onehit them and motion mine is super useful plus c4 can blow away cover, assaults give ammo and can burn away cover plus their guns burst
arder than medic weapons, engis are of course less useful there
>>318374482
except engineers have rockets that fuck shit up and have the best close quarters weapons because of firerate, notwithstanding the auto shotguns
engineers are the most versitile with their only real weakness being lack of ammo regen
>>318373358
The sprint was actually made quite interesting.
If you stop sprinting there's a couple of seconds of delay before you could draw your gun.
But I think you're talking about bc2
>>318374356
>May I remind you of "Wookies"?
>There was plenty of camping to go around in this game.
But people who actually knew how to play reconds would just murder wookies, since they're just sitting ducks and provide only mortars and spotting as utility, while a medium or close range recon can annihilate vehicles with c4 and provide great vision with motion mines
OF course it's possible to camp in a corner of the map, you can't really stop that in any way that's enjoyable, butthe playstyle has pretty little effect
>>318374412
Since the maps are much smaller most of those are way less useful- motion mines replace UAV, vehicles are never far away, supplies are provided to the players and there's no artillery to drop supplies on
Though orders would be pretty nice for pub games
>>318374695
Yeah that's true, rockets are also pretty useful and the carl gustav can rape people
>>318374838
It's also okay in BC2 since there's no diagonal sprinting and you're thus going to get fucked up if you sprint senselessly
>>318374860
>playstyle has pretty little effect
As it did in other battlefield games.
Prone was never an issuesdolphin diving wasand removing it was just another way of casualizing the game.
"Casualizing" was the name of the game ever since and it left a void between Call of Duty and ARMA.
>>318375115
What's hardcore about prone
700hours and still going
All these mw2 kids saying bc2& are better are the cancer that should kill itself
Bf2> 4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bc2=3
>>318367337
CodOfield
Why the fuck can't I join servers that need the community operations pack?
>>318370769
Call me when ps2 can run 120fps with anything more than 2 players
>>318378225
Get the free dlc from origin sgore
>>318375284
It's not hardcore but it's such a basic tactical function that it's exclusion is just idiotic in any military shooter.
A huge part of combat is cover and concealment, and going prone is an essential part of that.
>I bought BF4 for the PS3>STILL play it to this day>pc version NEVER EVER because shit ass PC
just fucking kill me arealdy
>mfw all the 18 year olds here think BC2 was a good BF game
It was a shitty try to get the CoD crowd. Worse than BF2 and it's shitty gunplay, nade spam and dolphin diving
BF: Vietnam> 2142> BF4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BC2>BF3
>>318369145
you don't want to fuck a gun, anon
>>318367557
>>318367337
BC2 was the worst BF game to date.
No planes
Shitty small maps
Shitty hit detection
Shitty muh super destruction that made every map look the same after 15 min
Horrible fucking classes
NO PRONE
Retarded as fuck perks (magnum ammo)
Anyone who says he liked BC2 doesn't like Battlefield. He likes CoD but doesn't want to admit it.
>>318371520
battlefield themes are always great
>>318376561
BC2 was a lot of peoples first BF, hence the nostalgia bullshit
but yeah, it's overrated as fuck
