if this was originally released on the PS2 instead of the Gamecube it would not have been as highly acclaimed
I think you're full of shit
>>318289125
true
>>318289558
fuck off
>>318289712
Make me you piece of garbage. If the american release was ps2 only we'd still be here today talking about it.
>>318290007
no we weren't, i dont see shit on jrpgs from the ps2 that were much better
gamecube had no jrpg
>>318290007
it would have been seen as lackluster in comparison to FFX and DQ8 and no one would remember it
the rest of the Tales series is pretty niche, the only reason people care about this one is that it's a JRPG on a nintendo console post-1995
>>318290156
Baten Kaitos.
>>318290258
Abyss was seen as lackluster in comparison to FFX and DQ8, symphonia would've faired better.
>>318290461
>symphonia would've faired better
why?
>>318290452
what a surprise no one remembers it. beside being a jrpg on gamecube, nintendo gave no fucks
that baten kaitos thread lasted for like 50 posts
tales at least is a series with multiple games
>>318290461
abyss is better but not by a lot
>inb4 whiny characters and jades AN ASSHOLE
theres reasons that the game hides
>>318290667
Baten Kaitos had a sequel.
>>318290748
very true but was even more ignored and hated for some reason by like half the people in a given thread
>>318290748
It did?
>>318290598
By not bombarding the player with shit protags, assholes, and telefonons in the beginning.
>>318290974
Lloyd is not a good protag
Because the PS2 version that ended up happening was ass
>>318289125
I don't get the level of love for the game. It wasn't even the best JRPG on the Gamecube, which is saying something, since the Gamecube only had like five.
SoA and Paper Mario kicked the piss out of this game.
>>318291018
He doesn't have to be, he's a dumb brave shonen protag who things two swords makes him twice as strong, but he's likable and he gets the ball rolling for adventure.
>>318290974
looks like somebody didn't play those obscure quests
dont worry, happens in every thread
>>318291295
so a generic mc for a generic game
>>318291181
At the time there weren't many JRPGs available that had action based combat. That, combined with the fact that it was on a console that didn't have many RPG alternatives caused it to gain a lot of attention. Art style was really good, too. Game looks amazing even today.
>>318290461
>faired
It's fared, you illiterate fuck. Also, TotA >>>>> ToS.
>>318291431
I'm sorry it doesn't tickle your refined pallete, but it certainly would've stood out from the ps2 jrpg library compared to abyss. Tidus is one of the worst protags I've ever seen in a jrpg and yet people still talk about and nostalgia over FFX.
>>318291554
>Game looks amazing even today
dude no, environments maybe
>>318291181
>SoA
What? I hope you're not talking about a port of a Dreamcast game.
>>318289125
Nah. It's highly acclaimed because no other tales game after Symphonia comes even close to how good it is.
Anything after Symphonia turned to weebshit and dropped quality.
Symphonia starts off a generic RPG about saving the world and it gets so crazy and philosophical that it hasn't been topped since.
This is fact. Deny it all you want complaining about the combat or how the graphics don't hold up. But for the time it was perfect. It is the final Fantasy 7 of the series .
>>318291676
well shit i agree that Tidus is worse than Lloyd but hell
thats just because FFX was like the first JRPG on ps2 for people and is remembered fondly like Symphonia
I actually really disliked the whole JUSTICE AND LOVE INFERIOR BEINGS weeaboo shit from ToS. I felt the game was poor.
Pic related is the best in the whole damn series. I don't care what anyone says.
>>318291860
nag fuck off mate
phantasia did that shit a decade before symphonia and better plus symphonia still has that bad writing that games have
>>318292032
Forgot pic. Fuark.
>>318291721
It and Vesperia are the best looking games in the series due to the cell shading. I did a playthrough on Dolphin a few years ago and loved it.
It sucks that the official HD version chose the PS2 port that tones down the colors and shading effects and lowers framerate. I guess they couldn't be assed to backport the new content into the GC build.
>>318291860
I like Symphonia but it's not the high water mark of the series.
>>318292032
>pic related
True. Your shit taste doesn't even post, it's that embarrassing
![maxresdefault[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/p7z0NCs.jpg "maxresdefault[2].jpg")
>>318292119
i dont see it but yeah youtube quality is shit
>>318292058
>>318292116
>Phantasia
Oh that ending with how at the last second the MC kills dhaos and says oops I didn't know you were a good guy?
Fuck off. It's 2d shit story.
>>318292381
Youtube is shit and he's not doing a proper widescreen mod
>>318292389
and it had a better story than most tales games
funny considering the phantasia team never made another tales so quality dropped
>>318292381
>youtube quality is shit
>>318292567
>Youtube is shit
well no shit. want a cookie?
>>318289125
i wish i could play it on my PC, but i cant find any undub versions Q_Q
it emulates well from what i heard.
>>318291725
Yeah, and it should tell you something that ToS wasn't as good as a port of a Dreamcast game.
>>318292610
Team Destiny put out the best games after the PS1 era, imo
>>318292887
what a smartass, but you're the same smartass to even mention the port to begin with
>>318291860
>it gets so crazy and philosophical
lmfao
>>318292945
i agree, gameplay>everything else
their 2d games are top tier stuff
>>318293013
Kill yourself my man
>>318289125
Yeah because the PS2 version is a shitty 30 fps version.
>>318290667
>>318290871
Baten Kaitos is the greatest RPG serie of all time.
I don't care if it's only 2 games.
Tales of Symphonia a shit.A SHIIIIIT.
>>318289125
I think you are fucking nuts. It's in the top 5 for tales games, of which there were three on nintendo consoles. Two of which are good and one that makes the top five. Please name 6 tales games better than Symphonia.
>>318293134
you kill yourself and take that crappy port with you
fucked up sound quality
>>318293178
its not hard when we never get the good shit from japan
>>318293178
tales is a shit series is what I'm getting at
Have any of the translation for the ps2 games ever finished?
>>318292119
I see Symphonia as the benchmark for the series. Sure, everything isn't perfect, but every tales should jot down some notes from its recipe. Just not too many notes or else you get something like xillia.
>>318293471
i just want cooking back with actual ingredients
ToS was relevant on the GameCube much in the same way the True Crime games were. The GameCube had nothing else in a similar genre the PS2 had. True Crime was the GameCube's GTA, which it never, EVER, got. Sometimes being the only one, despite mediocre, is enough to warrant sales. The GameCube version was easily awarded Player's Choice status while no one talks about the PS2, Xbox, or even PC versions.
>>318293336
Even then it still rates in the top 5.
>>318293402
That's a fine opinion, but if you're talking about gameplay, then no, it's still one of the best jrpg series.
>>318292792
That's because there is no subbed version. Japanese only got the ps2 version.
Also the dub is pretty great, I'm sure anons here would agree with me.
>robin as lloyd
>liquid as Kratos
>>318292945
Yep. ToD DC is the best Tales game out there.
Vesperia is the absolute acme of the 3D games.
>>318293430
no.
And it's gonna be a while since Rebirth's translation is going to be multi-5 and Destiny R is being handled by the guy that took a decade to release Phantasia PSX
>>318293161
I wouldn't say it's the greatest but I had a shitload of fun with it (the first, never played the second). I think it's one of the best looking Gamecube games, up there with REmake and RE0.
>muh bamboo shoots
>muh true mirror
What a great game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4FdfaRX8EM
>>318292389
It's still leagues better than anything that series has come out with since : ^)
>>318289125
true words OP
if Vesperia came out on PS3, it would have sold better than Graces F and Xillia.
>>318293013
Why the fuck shouldn't I mention it despite it being a port? It's on the Gamecube, which makes it a JRPG on the Gamecube. You want to move the goalposts and limit discussion to JRPGs exclusive to the Gamecube for some fucking stupid reason? Fine, then Tales of Symphonia STILL wasn't the best JRPG on the Gamecube, since Paper Mario exists.
>>318293402
Tales is the best JRPG series because it's the only one with good gameplay. Read a book for muh story.
>>318293626
fight me
eternia
Destiny remake
Vesperia ps3
graces f
rebirth
>>318293626
>>318293765
>running forward and button mashing = good gameplay
ok
>>318293551
I've played it on PC back then.
They did Gamecube port?
>>318293551
True Crime is better than any PS2 GTA though. It tries to be more like a kung fu fighter plus Max Payne instead of GTA's boring combat.
>>318293717
yeah i bitch about it
no fucking ports
>>318289125
WAS THE COFFEE HOT OR COLD?
>>318293927
Kill yourself my man
>>318293685
Vesperia came out on PS3, I've replayed it recently.
>>318293958
show me a ToS webm that's even close to this
>>318293958
>that same webm that showed some guy memorizing a moveset at end game/ new game plus
like clockwork
>>318293765
>all turn based games are bad
I want this meme to end.
>>318293765
>Tales of
>good gameplay
Well memed my weeaboo friend
>>318294114
>>318294043
i definitely should when SoA was a shit port and a port in general that shows how desperate the game cube was
>>318293901
Even graphically. Shit looks like GTA4 on low settings. This is what happens when the PS2 isn't the lead platform.
>>318293835
>graces f
>Eternia
>REFUCKINGBIRTH
Yeah no. Still, I think Vesperia is the best ever made.
>>318293850
There are people that seriously believe this.
>>318294238
looks like shit friendo
>>318293958
>>318294238
same shit, but xillia 2 guy should off himself for starting it
>>318293958
>>318294238
I wanna have one of these stupid sick-nasty solo playthroughs so badly
>>318294275
>Saw thumb nail
>Wonder why you posted a picture of sleeping dogs
>Expand it
>Holy shit
>>318294185
well memed my newfriend
So who did everyone take to the final battle of ToS?
I went with:
Lloyd
Genis
Raine
Kratos
>>318294327
>refuckingbirth
I'm willing to bet money you never even played it. It has the best story in the series and doesn't have an insanely retarded last 1/3rd like Vesperia.
>>318294327
sorry buddy but i want my button mashing games to be fun
>>318294259
Yeah, and how mediocre ToS was if it wasn't even as good as a port.
>>318294238
>Looks like shit
In this day and age probably
>plays like shit
Not even close. Nigga lemme see you 50 hit with Collete.
>>318293678
You should play second one too.
It's also awesome, and even way better in some ways.
Even though I think it's not as magical and the soundtrack is not as good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYDPB-JGkD4
>>318294327
>REFUCKINGBIRTH
>not liking the best combat and one of the best OSTs in the series
>>318289125
>>318289125
Whoa there's always a lot of hate in any sort of thread for Tales or Final Fantasy.
I don't come in these threads often but does /v/ just hate any JRPGs that aren't moe shit like Atelier or Emo shit like Shin Megami?
>>318293958
There's no way you can do that in practice without a notebook full of directions. Though it's fun to see how far you can push the combat engine.
>>318294417
I like the series and the gameplay but you cannot actually do this in the actual game whereas in DMC you can do all the bloody palace shit in the game itself so it's fair to say it's the gameplay.
>>318294543
Emoshit > Shounenshit > moeshit
>>318294506
whatever, at least it was an actual new game
>>318294406
And the best part? The PC versions aren't arbitrarily locked at 30 or even 25 FPS, that's because True Crime was made for other consoles other than the PS2, which were both stronger than it. People don't seem to understand just how UGLY the PS2's graphics were.
>>318294603
>you cannot actually do this in the actual game
Where do you think the webm is from? The anime?
>>318294512
was meant for
>>318294353
>>318294501
You can bet money, but you would be wrong as fuck. Legendia was the only Tales game I skipped, which from what I understand, I didn't miss much.
>>318294634
that wasn't as good as an old game
>>318294628
but that moeshit has good alchemy mechanics
>>318294543
>emoshit
>moeshit
You are literally part of the problem. Both of those buzzwords describe Tales and FF better than SMT anyway.
>>318294740i disagree
that gameplay is plain shit and outdated not because its turn based but slow and too long otherwise it would have been a great game
>>318294634
It being a new game isn't worth shit if it isn't good.
>>318294512
>Nigga lemme see you 50 hit with Collete.
why bother when I could play something like Bayonetta that would reward my skill with actually satisfying animations
>>318294887
Why bother playing Bayonetta when I could play something like DMC3?
>>318294879
i agree, still not worth mentioning
>>318294998
why bother playing DMC3 when you could do something productive with your life
>>318294417
>>318294698
Not him, but that webm is taken from an extremely specific instance of the game where the player handicapped their own damage so they can have their sole level 9999 Judith slam on a single level 1 enemy for half an hour. In reality, most worthwhile enemies, especially bosses, will simply break the combo or his million friends will slap you with projectiles and AoE spells.
Its because of the combat.
Ive never seen anything like it after playing typical jrpgs where you have to wait turns. It was great not having to wait for your turn. Waiting turns in jrpgs was a limitation of the console. Now because of symphonia I only play arpgs and anything turn based just sucks.
>>318295145
games like phantasia did that in 1995
earlier if you count secret of mana for well known and even earlier in general
>>318295145
>Waiting turns in jrpgs was a limitation of the console.
Console RPGs are younger than action based games, it was always purely a design choice.
>>318295345
>>318295358
Kill yourself my man
>>318295358
Yeah a design choice to show off graphics because they couldn't do it in real-time. Turn based will always be garbage.
>>318295345
Radia Senki was basically a Tales game on NES
>>318294698
It's from an extremely specific scenario you have to do in the game against an enemy that isn't like the normal enemies or bosses of the game who will eventually just do a plethora of things to break your combos because if they didn't you would be able to stuck lock them forever in the games.
>>318289125
in sony console mean less people will play it
Nintendo did a great job at marketing this game, something Sony will never do to any JRPG that is not FF
and it was actually a great game it is one of my favorite in that gen along with nocturne, Dark cloud 2, Persona 4 and Mana Khemia
>>318291181
>It wasn't even the best JRPG on the Gamecube
but Paper Mario is god tier though Symphonia not being better doesn't make it look bad
>>318295443
nah fuck you leatherman
>>318295446
and you too
>>318295443
lol
>>318295483
Symphonia is better than TTYD, it's not better than the N64 PM though.
>>318294417
The gameplay isnt even good compared to 2d brawler.
All that this webm shows is some input chains on a enemy that dosent do anything at all, wow even korean mmos do 2d combo based rpgs better.
>>318295584
>Symphonia is better than TTYD
no.
>>318295446
They could, there are plenty of super-old ARPGs, Turn-Based exists because it was supposed to be a reproduction of table-top RPG. Your opinion on whether it's good or not is irrelevant.
>>318295671
Yes.
>>318294887
HUE! Skill is it's own reward dumbass
>>318295586
lol
>>318295756
but what's the point when it's in a shit game like ToS
>>318295860
>one of the best JRPGs of all time
>shit
well memed
>>318295795
he's right
>>318289125
If it was released in the piss2 first, then the gamecube version wouldnt have been silky smooth 60 fps.
>>318295932
good argument
>>318295962
>this thing is shit because this other thing does it better!
never an argument worth taking seriously, and he has never played vesperia
>>318296140
>thing is inferior to other thing
>not a valid argument
bullshit.
>>318296059
>even the fucking PS3 version runs at silky smooth 30FPS
>when the GameCube version runs at 60
>mffw
I'm telling you, the PS consoles are the scourge of Japanese developers.
The only Tales with good gameplay was Graces. It had its flaws, but the dodging and CC systems made the combat fast and fun, especially on the hardest difficulties.
>>318296280
Great post my man! :)
>>318296421
you too
>>318296328
>the steam version is directly built off of the PS3 port
shit, at least a 60 fps mod would be easier than the one for Zestiria, right? The game logic excuse wouldn't apply.
>>318296407
>The only Tales with good gameplay was Graces.
babby's first non-TP game
>>318296407
>Graces is good meme
How new are you?
>>318289125
This thread is such garbage along with the idiots in it
>>318295795
Nice to see that you have no rebuttal.
Tales of games are trash
>>318296475
Thanks, here's a Judith webm to celebrate.
>>318296679
kind of a perfect allegory for ToS
>>318296059
HOLY FUCKING SHIT SONYPONIES REKT
>>318296328
Not really a scourge, but it was really obvious that the symphonia remasters were hashed up with a very tiny budget to work with. I still find it hilarious that they got cam clarke to shout SHINING BIND on his cellphone,so they could make kratos' mystic arte properly dubbed.
>>318296694
lol
>>318296606
oh boy you sure showed me a guy fighting level 1 enemies with a level 100 character
you aren't fooling anybody who played a tales game
Vesperia PS3 is still the best Tales game, you can't prove me wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTMcL1KJD74
>>318296929
I played every Tales game, Graces is one of the worst.
>>318297089
well too bad and your webm is weak
>>318296573
The PS3 can't even run Bayonetta at 60FPS, when the Xbox and Wii U easily could. Too many Jap games run at 30FPS because they target Sony hardware. Thank you Sony!
I fucking wish Nintendo made a GameCube like console to compete against them, that way Japs can learn to program above 30FPS.
>>318297056
I can't because you're right.
>>318295860
>if I call something shit and people give me reasons why it's good, I'll just keep calling it shit
>>318296606
wow what a shit game
never expected to one shot low level enemies by having all the skills, max level and equipment
this not the first time you used this webm I hope you are just baiting and not retarded
>>318297318
>posts Zestiria
>likes Graces
opinion immediately discarded.
>>318297282
its still shit no matter how you cut it
>>318297393
mad
>>318289125
Why dont fans follow their favorite games?
>Tales games goes on nintendo instead of playstation
BOOO NINTENDO IS KIDDIE I DONT WANNA BUY A GAMECUBE
>Tales goes on Xbox instead of playstation
BOOO XBOX IS FOR DUDEBROS I DONT WANNA BUY AN XBOX360
>Star Ocean IV goes on xbox
>Lost Oddysey goes on xbox
>Blue Dragon goes on xbox
>Enchanted Arms, Eternal Sonata, Enchanted Arms
>Monolith being bought by nintendo
>The Last Story wii exclusive
Nope, I dont care about my favorite third party companies, I only care about Sony
>>318297476
>It's shit but I can't tell you why it is shit
>If you refute my argument I'll say I'd rather play a game that is an entirely different genre
>>318297165
Vesperia PS3 kept its framerate but had to have its resolution scaled down a bit
Graces was an improvement but that's because its original console was literally Gamecube guts in a new box.
>>318297393
You seem perturbed
if you don't own a cfw ps3 just for vesperia, then you are not a real tales fan.
![header-logo[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/PBufUNA.png "header-logo[1].png")
>>318297595
no point since you avoid logic like a plague
>>318297626
if you didn't learn japanese just for tales, you aren't a real fan.
>>318297393
Zestiria was an actual good game, and multiple times better than graces or hearts.
it also has the best character and theme song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUPPJJAEAmk
>>318297626
>implying I didn't just finished reading the manual in moon
>>318289125
I played it recently. Thoroughly mediocre game.
>>318297729
Sorry buddy, that's you. I gave reasons why ToS is good. I gave reasons why tales games are good. You just ignored and kept on claiming it's shit. I'd understand if you just hate JRPGs, but that does not seem to be the case. In fact the OP that wants to pretend all tales games are shit, only decided to follow that direction the second people told him his OP was stupid and it was one of the better tales games.
>>318297896
bait
>>318297942
opinions are not facts negro
>>318298034
No, they are not. Unlike facts they are not immune to being fucking stupid. Your opinions are fucking stupid.
>>318298165
u 2 u retard
u dont get it
dig that grave
>>318297761
I found it hilarious how he hits on monsters during an attack instead of yelling out the arte name.
>>318296916
wow combos
so badass! ^w^
>>318298280
Whatever dude. Maybe you ought to read your posts again.
>>318297954
>opinions that aren't mine are b8
>>318298479
you just dont get it
>>318298034
read between the lines
>170 posts
>no sheena
come on /v/, at least post best girl
>>318297761
>Zestiria was an actual good game, and multiple times better than graces or hearts.
If you say so.
>>318297751
Amusingly enough, Tales was one of the many things that finally pushed me to learn Japanese. I started studying a few years ago and have played quite a bit of games in Japanese by now, games I'd played in English before and games I've never played before, but I've yet to play any Tales in Japanese except for Zestiria. I really should play some of them, like Vesperia PS3, again since I can actually understand them now...
>>318298782
I like her titties and all, but she was shit unless you were maining her. There were better characters to main.
>>318298782
She's cute, but boy is her playstyle shit.
Like, how do you manage to make Ninja+Summoner boring?
>>318297264
They should have ported this one to the PC so I can spam that huge ass water aoe without being held back by a console dying on me.
>>318298782
I tried using her.
I really did. But the summoning system is retarded and her paper nonsense is shit.
>>318297761
ZAVEID
A
V
E
I
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>>318297393
but I didnt say that I liked graces. I only told how this webm argument is invalid
and posting Edna is wrong now?
Since people are talking about Zestiria, is there a complete DLC pack for the Japanese version? I've found a complete English DLC pack on PS3iso, but I haven't since a Japanese DLC back since February, and it's incomplete.
>>318300416
What dlc is the jap pack missing?
>>318293958
FUCKING TITS is this tales of symphonia? want it now why is it so expensive
never played a tales game what should i start with
>>318302769
Thats xillia 2.
But symphonia is a really good starting point, from there you could kinda go through the series any way you want.
>>318301132
Bunch of costumes and it has nothing that's not costumes aside from some skits.
>>318302947
is it worth getting the ps3 remake of symphonia?
>>318303135
Everyone bitches about it for some reason. I think because it's locked at 30 FPS instead of 60 like the GC version. It has all the extras of the PS2 version though which, off the top of my head, is a Mystic Arte for everyone (only three had them in the original version), new costumes I believe, Abyssion is harder, there's at least one new fight in the coliseum. There's more, but I can't think of it. The PS3 version also has additional costumes. It also has dual audio if you like the Nip VA.
>>318303135
It's okay, but letting you know right now that GCN Symphonia runs at 60fps, excluding the overworld iirc.
PS2/3 Symphonia always runs at 30fps, but it has more content + dual audio if you want Japanese voices. Also everyone gets a mystic arte, whereas in GCN it was limited to 3 characters.
>>318293958
We DMC now? I missed all the PS3 titles got baited hard by microsoft
>>318303135
If you have no way to play the gc version its not bad. If you're the type of anon that is in the FUCK DUBS ONLY SUBS camp then its probably your best bet.
>>318295860
>/v/ calls TOS shit now
What the FUCK happened to this place?
>>318296728
>>318296916
>>318297264
shut the fuck up faggot
tales games are shit
the only thing thats even shitter than tales games are your crappy webms
nobody is impressed
stop fucking spamming them
>>318299107
This.
What wasted potential. Maybe I'd like her more if she was actually playable. Are newer games more balanced for all the characters? I recall Collette and Sheena were completely worthless.
>>318304209
/v/ has reached maximum contrarian levels. It might get so bad that /v/ will eventually start liking popular AAA shit.
>>318302769
they all have faggy repetitive gameplay and derivative attempts at plots with forced drama that middle school girls wet themselves to
also the gayest dudes imaginable
>>318295584
>>318293901
you are fuckin high if you think True Crime was anywhere near as good as GTA. Open World in which there's absolutely nothing to do. It was like Driver 2.
>>318306442
Show me on the diagram where the tales series touched you, anon.
