So now that Atelier Sophie has been out for a while, how are you guys enjoying it so far?
>>318246212
op i doubt that many people imported it and are playing it
>>318246291
Doesn't mean we can't discuss it, does it?
I want to_hugSophie.
>>318246871
Don't we all.
Why do I get the feeling Atelier's quality is taking a nosedive and we'll be in Neptunia levels of shallow game design within 2 years from now?
>>318247691
Because the games don't sell like shit anymore?
>>318247691
Because you're a meme spouting faggot?
>>318247908
fuck off
>>318247954
No you fuck off with your Compile Heart boogyman
>>318246212
atelier shallie shall be the last atelier game that I ever buy. before that it was all great but shallie is an unfinished shit
So how is the new alchemy system OP? Any screenshot of the process?
>>318248063
I don't have one, but you pick your ingredients and they have 3 boxes they take up in the pot. The pot has random orbs that have elements and you use the items in whatever order to get as many as possible without overlapping.
>>318246212
What do you think of it so far OP?
>>318248365
he probably doesn't even know jap
>>318248365
It's quite good. Feels like you're just doing whatever, which some people may not like.
>>318248383
I would like to assume otherwise anon.
>>318248493
I see can't say much because well I can't really play it but hey.
>>318248493
I hope this gets localized in 2016.
I don't see the west getting Shallie+ before 2017 though unfortunately.
>>318248563
Just ignore the shitposter. There's no reason for faggots like him to get (You)s.
>>318248651
Well okay. Is anything Sophie does differently from other Ateliers?
>>318247691
Quite the opposite. Their 3D (from Sophie) is starting to match the 2D portraits in the Arland series. Getting better with more support and buyers.
>>318248493
what the fuck is up with those retarded character designs?
>>318248804
Don't know. This is my first one. I bought Rorona a long time ago and never got around to playing it.
>>318248493
Does Sophie at least have some kind of underlying goal, even if you're just doing whatever?
Looks great and can't Wait for the localization can anyone give a nice detailed summary of their import impressions?
>>318248956
The goal right now is to get Patcha's memory back. I'm not very far yet.
>>318246212
Its shittier than Shallie, how they manage that, I don't fucking know.
Sophie is dragged with Dusk artstyle then gets new clothes which resemble Kishida Mel artstyle, possibly as an attempt to bring back Arland fans (which all in all outsold Dusk series)
Alchemy is now even more boring and easy but convoluted at the same time because of puzzle pieces.
The only reason to play this is because of the book.
Surprising that Atelier series is going more shit, while Compile Heart is getting better, specially since they got the whole Disgaea 4 team.
>>318249087
Damn look at those vagina bones
Is this game a new setting? Dusk was shit that lead nowhere. I hope Sophie doesn't continue dumbing shit down like Dusk games did.
Also I really hate having voices during synthesis. Every time you switch a menu it is annoying.
>>318249159
>possibly as an attempt to bring back Arland fans
Be right back. Buying this game!It worked on me anon.
the fat dude looks like the best character
>>318249303What should I make?
>>318249305
>Sophie is dragged with Dusk artstyle then gets new clothes which resemble Kishida Mel artstyle, possibly as an attempt to bring back Arland fans (which all in all outsold Dusk series)
Heh.
Her Arland-esque outfit isnt even remotely cute or erokawaii
>>318249461
>dub
>>318249461
shut the fuck up
>>318249529
>implying dub rorona wasn't kawaii as fuck
>>318249529
I thought the dub was mostly good.
It certainly wasn't that bad.
Still, I skipped most of the voiced cutscenes because they speak way more slowly than I can read them.
wtb kishida mel designs.
Is this game ever coming out in burgerland?
I need to play an atelier game, and I'd want one with cute visuals and super-high graphics.
>>318249461
I had to change Atelier Ayesha Plus's dub to Japanese (for the first time ever, since I always played with localized dub) because there was no voice over for when I was synthesizing the game,. It felt too quiet and dead.
Only when I switched to Japanese dub and Ayesha started to say "what should I make?" did the game feel alive again.
It also gave the impression that the dub group for the Dusk games was inferior to the Arland games, or NISA for that matter (Ayesha had way too many scenes undubbed). What! Praising NISA? Yeah, I found the Ayesha dub that bad.
>>318249303
>Also I really hate having voices during synthesis.
Turn down the volume yourself. Don't punish us all.
>>318249742
Start with Atelier Rorona Plus.
It's super cheap and super kawaii.
>>318249461
>>318249967
>tfw KT didn't put Rorona+ for vita on sale
My life is too depressing, I need games like this
Is this on the ps3? And if so how does it run since I heard the ps4 was the main platform
>>318249967
>Esty Dee
Still mad
Is Monika best girl? I was disgruntled when I saw the designs of the cast but Monika's pretty.
>>318249986
Totori+ isn't even available for purchase in my country.
>>318249986
it's like $10 used for PS3 and $20 new.
>being a digital only kek
you deserve it desu
>>318249967
>Cream Pie
>popular request amongst men
>>318250135
I already own the PS3 version.
I'd like the vita version because I work third shift and play handhelds while I work
>>318249967
Why is postgame so hard?
>>318250004
It's on PS3/4/Vita, but I have no idea how they run on other systems. It's 1080p60fps on PS4 and there hasn't been a single noticeable frame drop yet.
Which is the best game to start with? Ayesha seems to be the highest rated, so should I try that?
>>318248048
This tbqh.
Spent $50 on Shallie only to get worst Atelier.
>>318250405
rorona plus
>>318250405
Ayesha is a fucking slut. Go Rorona+ or go home.
>>318250405
Arland games. Ayesha isn't a good starting point because progression is very abstract. Arland games have target objectives based on deadlines.
>>318250405
That would be a bad idea.
Just play the first PS3 trilogy games.
>>318250470
>>318250506
>>318250521
>>318250604
Thanks, guys. I'll try Rorona Plus then, since it's the first in the Arland trilogy.
>>318250906
Ayesha Plus is great as well, just in its own way.
Shame about E&L and Shallie though.
>>318250906
For starters. Cost traits increase the maximum amount of points you can spend on traits while crafting. Also when combining some traits they can form a better trait. Quality+1 + Quality +2 = 10% more quality on an item.
>>318251013
I agree that Ayesha isn't bad at all, but her game is not a great "starting point".
>>318249509
Why is she showing off her belly button? What a slut.
>>318252193
I want to rub her tummy
How long are we going to deal with this casual Dusk shitfest before Gust will finally rolls back to time limits and complex alchemy?
Does Sophie have no time limits? Fuck sake.
>>318252535
It's pretty much Shallie 2.
>>318252176
The worst thing about the dusk story is the awful conclusion
>>318252769
Fuck that then
>>318252769
Glorious, buying the physical limited edition. When it gets localized, of coursh.
>>318253570
pls go
pls
>>318252193
>increase
Because Dusk games are shit, and the only for them to sell is to try bringing back Kishida Mel fans back
>>318253728
Time limits are shit anyway, Im glad GUST finally realized it.
>>318253915
DIE DIE DIE YOU LITTLE SHIT
>>318253915
Yeah, I also like my games retard-friendly challenge-free.
>>318253915
>this is the reason why atelier is shit now
goddamn it
>>318254068
Most RPGs dont have a time limit and are still challenging, tho. Time limit is an utter annoyance that hinders overall enjoyment and Im glad it is gone for good in Atelier.
>>318254342
it's not the game's fault you have the attention span of a gnat
why don't you play neptunia if the game's mechanics aren't simple enough for you?
>>318254516
>the game has complex mechanics because limits your gameplay time
top kek
>>318252354
>arland
>time limits
In ps3 age only 2 game had real, harsh time limits, it's original Rorona and Ayesha
Every other game with "calendar" was so easy that there was no reason to have deadlines in the first place
>>318254703
>limits your gameplay time
but you have limited gameplay time in any game you play
rorona just turns it into a game mechanic that forces you to make better use of your time
I dont get it.
Escha and Logy is the best atelier in the series, except for the characters but thats highly subjective.
Can anyone explain?
>>318254938
Their setting is shit
Art is shit
Music is weakest in the series
>>318247691
Because you're delusional. The games have been consistently good since Rorona. Unfortunately some faggots have a knee-jerk reaction to any change and cry and moan about how the series is ruined when it's the same it's always been. I wonder why.
>>318255070
Wrong
Extremely wrong
You're not even trying
Arlandfags can't handle anything that doesn't pander to their yuri fetish like the wannabe Nepfags that they are.
>>318255217
>Arlandfags can't handle anything that doesn't pander to their yuri fetish like the wannabe Nepfags that they are.
If an atelier game doesn't feature gratuitous amounts of ambiguous female bonding, what is the point?
>>318254936
More like it removes the freedom to explore or train at your own pace and rewards you with a Game Over if you do. Shit tier mechanic all around, GUST fortunately listened to the fans with Shallie and now Sophie.
>>318255217
Only one Arland game had strong yuri pandering elements, and surprisingly Meruru was the best game in the series. Coincidence?
>>318255339
Are you really going to shit on the 1 game mechanic that sets atelier apart from any other generic RPG with a fantasy magic setting?
The calendar system was so fucking broken in the PS3 games that it might as well never been included. You have plenty of time to do everything you need to unless you play like an utter retard. Considering the people clamoring for the system's return, I suppose playing like a retard isn't unrealistic for them.
>>318255371
Rorona Plus was better, but even if Meruru were the best it would still be a coincidence anyway. Yurifags are fucking cancer. If all you want is pandering and fan service, Compile Heart had your back.
>>318254818
Nice opinions, homolord.
>>318255451
The alchemy is what sets the series apart. It was never about the lenient as fuck calendar system.
>>318255596
>Compile Heart had your back.
They released a game with a male MC that shattered the yuri self-insert fantasies of countless otaku.
It was so jarring that the developers received death threats.
>>318255108
Escatology was mediocre, Shallie is trash.
>>318255339
Sounds like you're a retard who can't progress without grinding his characters to maximum level first.
>it's mechanics fault I such shit at videogames!
>>318255451
If the time limits are the main draw for you you were never really a fan of the series anyway. It's all about the crafting.
>>318255339
Having a losing mechanic is a great incentive to keep on playing.
Since Rorona was split into 30 day segments you end up playing that many days in a sitting if you have the time. Its the best incentive to get good and enjoy the game. Its really fun and challenging.
Freedom of exploration and lack of time limits on later Atelier games make them feel more relaxed. The only thing I dislike about this new change is the nature of how to unlock certain events, especially missable and time restrictive ones. You don't even know you missed something at times.
I think both types are good actually. But I like the time limit system a bit more.
>>318255486
>>318255702
>time limits were so lenient and easy!
>it's good that they got rid of them because I couldn't manage my time limit!
>>318255783
Good thing Dusk made crafting casual piss shit as well.
>>318255217
How about Dusk series has:
Shit Babby-tier alchemy, whats the fucking point of the game about alchemist if the alchemy is braintarded fuck easy
Combat is now more focused, which even brush aside the fucktarded easy alchemy even more.
No time limits so it even makes the fucktarded babby-tier alchemy even more pointless. What's the point of mastering the mechanics and memorizing the traits of items if you can bruteforce alchemize everything like a retard till you get it.
>>318255714
Further proof that yurifags are cancer. There's still Nepshit for those people anyway.
>>318255764
Your opinion is trash, but that's all.
>>318255920
Tell me more, casual babby retard.
>>318255702
>>318255783
>the
And now the fucking crafting system is babby-tier easy, perfect for brainless retards like you.
It's still comfy, that's all that matters. If I want challenge I put in bloodborne ;^)
>>318255893
I never said I couldn't manage my time. My biggest gripe is I had too much time and had nothing to do with it. The time limits were retardedly lenient to the point that their presence was pointless.
>>318255919
The only simplification Dusk alchemy has was removing the stupid RNG shit from the materials. If you're going to honestly try and defend the RNG faggotry I'm not even wasting my time on you anymore, because you're practically fucking braindead.
So arland is pretty much the definitive atelier trilogy in terms of gameplay?
>>318255919
>Shit Babby-tier alchemy, whats the fucking point of the game about alchemist if the alchemy is braintarded fuck easy
So no different from arland
>No time limits so it even makes the fucktarded babby-tier alchemy even more pointless. What's the point of mastering the mechanics and memorizing the traits of items if you can bruteforce alchemize everything like a retard till you get it.
in Totori and Meruru you had a whole year(or even years and half if not shitty casual) until event will unlock on the third year end game and 2 more to reach and kill final boss, you fucking had more than 3 years in game time to bruteforce whatever you wanted. How it's different from Shallie?
>>318256231
Mana khemia was better
>>318256231
Depends on what you're looking for.
>>318256348
>no time limits
>better
Fucking casuals
Why can't you just admit that arland games were the best?
>>318256341
It's different because he's mentally challenged and actually ran past the deadlines. He's shit at the games and is desperately trying to spin it otherwise.
>Unique alchemy system
>4 active members during battle
>no time limit
>glorious character design by two different artists
Best Atelier? Best Atelier.
>>318248827
In what way is "the graphics are getting better" an argument against "the gameplay is getting worse"?
>>318256441
Why admit to something that's not true?
>>318256573
Because the former is true and the latter is a lie.
>>318246212
>>318247098
I greatly dislike the new text window just being the black border with white text. It's ugly as fuck, especially compared to all the previous games having proper text windows.
It's not helped that the new artist's faces are awful.
>>318256220
Like any good alchemist, if you aren't a brainless retards like you are cause you like Dusk alchemy,you wouldn't even care about the RNG on the traits of materials. You would pay more attention to the inherent traits of the materials and what results can carry over.
But yeah, good for you, Dusk is babby-tier alchemy just like a retard you are.
Why do you even bother making these threads anymore it's always
>new atelier game that just came out is shit
>dusk is shit but ayesha is okay
>no ayesha is shit
>all arland is shit
>muh mana khemia
>muh time limits
>literally every atelier is shit
>>318249509
That outfit is a disaster.
2ch just discovered that NOCO, the 1992-born female artist who designed Sophie, Monika, Corneria, etc. is actually Thikisoh Takeda, a once-renowned ex-ero manga artist.
Pretty interesting, considering Yuugen's female characters (Plachta & Leon) are way sexier than NOCO's... Yet Yuugen has never drawn ero manga before.
Now NOCO on the other, drew some lewd as hell H-manga. It's no wonder that Sophie's face looks like she's in permanent ahegao.
>>318256668
I'm pretty sure you need to be able to string together proper sentences before you call somebody else retarded, casual-kun.
>>318256709
Read the thread and pinpoint the source of the arguments. Do you see which fanbase started it? Because it's always the same one.
>>318256709
>Muh Yuri
>Muh Iris
>>318256813
I agree. From what I've seen she seems to be stuck with it too from some point unless you can change the outfits. I'm really disappointed in the character designs and art.
>>318256917
I don't think they look bad at all, but they're definitely not up to par with Mel or Hidari's work.
>>318246212
is it still 6 men party like last 2 games?
>>318256341
Hohoho, try doing a ingot with all the rainbow power, time spirit, god power, deity power, spirit power and black element, blind in meruru. You will need to do your homework as an alchemist.
In Dusk, you can get similar results like that because of the point system bullshit
Try making a healing salve everyday in Meruru in 5 years and see where you can go, faggot.
In Shallie, you can endlessly faff around and go cocking about and nothing will happen you retard.
>>318256880
Woah, looks at those hot arguments.
Just as expected of Dusk shitters who demand unlimited time because they can't do shit otherwise.
>>318256880
>ngot with all the rainbow power, time spirit, god power, deity power, spirit power and black element, blind in meruru. You will need to do your homework as an alchemist.
>In Dusk, you can get similar results like that beca
I have translated it to a retard language, so you can understand it better, retard.
>>318256819
Also, she has the stupid fucking fang all the chinks love.
>>318256709
>>318257058
See pic related. I think its okay if there's discussion on an online image board and people have differing preferences. But I think there's been too many Ateliers without deadlines recently.
>>318257058
>>318257138
Having fun samefagging?
>>318257248
There were two without deadlines. Two.
>>318249509
There's probably more stupid shit on the back too.
>>318257245
girls with fang > girls without fang
>>318257307
Having fun being a braindead retard?
>>318257378
That's two ruined games, two wasted years.
>>318257395
Sorry, I don't speak DENTAL PLAN
>>318257378
>atelier Totori
>atelier Meruru
>Esha and logi
>Shallie
>Sophie
>>318257448
Only Shallie and apparently Sophie lack deadlines.
>>318257519
Totori, meruru and eschalogy all have time limits so lenient they may as well not even exist
>>318257596
Stop shitposting.
Can we just admit that the last 6 atelier entries have been lacking in difficulty and depth?
Can we just agree on that one thing?
Because you're fucking delusional if you think atelier hasn't been going down the shitter since 2009.
>>318249665
>Still, I skipped most of the voiced cutscenes because they speak way more slowly than I can read them.
I guess it mustn't have bothered you then that only 30% of the original voices were dubbed and the rest of the scenes were just left silent.
>>318257519
They were non existent in the best games anyway(Meruru and Totori) so they just removed them all together in the last two games
Please don't tell me you really think that deadlines mattered in the Meruru
>>318257637
It's not shitposting it's facts
>>318257393
I didn't even stare at it long enough to realise how bad it is. Some asymmetric things are fine but the sleeve/cuff/glove is really annoying. Too much skin in most of the designs too.
I don't normally buy DLC outfits but I might feel compelled to for this.
>>318257638
sleep tight hammers
>>318257673
Play Meruru first before saying stupid shit.
When do they start dropping VN-like conversations with in-game models?
>>318257596
They're ALL like that. Rorona's deadlines weren't any more difficult than the others.
>>318257638
Atelier was never good.
>>318257651
what game are you talking about?
>>318257734
Hopefully, after Dusk dies off.
>>318257734
when they drop the crafting system
that's pretty much the only thing separating atelier and neptunia at this point
>>318257753
All of them. All of the Atelier games only have partial dubs. That's one more reason not to use them.
>>318257807
>when they drop the crafting system
They dropped it in Shallie. I crafted like three times in whole playthrough.
>>318257638
Iris and Mana Khemia were garbage.
>>318257673
No, I've been arguing the same thing all thread. Except for the part about Totori being one of the best. It's actually the worst of the PS3 games.
>>318257825
what's the point of setting it to japanese if you don't understand what they're saying anyway?
>>318257862
>lying on the internet
Wew lad
>EOPs
>>318257879
You're garbage.
>>318257930
Show me your plats, nigger.
>>318257930
>
It's true.
Crafting is no longer the focus of the game.
>>318257807
>Look ma, I posted it again!
>>318257898
Why do you always make this stupid argument? There is a wide range of knowledge of a language, you don't either know nothing of it or are 100% fluent. As someone learning Japanese, but am not proficient enough to play games entirely Japanese, I can at least understand enough of what's being spoken for the Japanese audio to have meaning.
And I prefer the Japanese audio because it's much better acted in most situations. Contrary to what dumb fucks will say, bad voice acting is very immediately apparent even if you have little to no grasp of the language in question at all.
Arland is shit.
>>318258049
>bad voice acting is very immediately apparent even if you have little to no grasp of the language in question at all
>this is what weebs actually believe
next you're gonna tell me that real japs talk the same way they do in anime
>>318257898
Because American dub actors are shit at acting and make poor imitations of cutesy Japanese archetypes present in the games that are awkward as fuck to listen to.
>>318258072
It's the worst in the series, true
Make the game harder please Gust. Infinite meteor(with good trait) make the extra boss is different as light and dark.
Also what's happened to Puni design? Don't change what's works.
>>318258072
>>318258112
What game(s) you played?
>>318258108
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRax5T6w34g
>I will obstinately pretend that I can't find any issue with this because I don't want my argument to be seen for the stupidity that it is
>>318257930
1. Crafted anti-grav engine for airship
2. Crafted some sub-quest shit, I think it was clothes for mayor
3. Crafted bombs/heals to pass through octopus guarding last boss.
>>318258109
if they sound awkward and terrible in english
maybe they sound awkward and terrible in japanese too
you just don't know it because you don't know japanese
>>318258112
Play it first.
>>318247098
>How long
Do you know moon?How long till ateleir is playable if I really dig in and study
All I understood was
>Sophie:Alright something Monica something
>>318258175
If it sounds awkward and terrible in both languages, isn't that just an argument to use the language where you can't tell that it sounds awkward and terrible?
>>318258162
what does this prove?
italian is grating and horrible to listen to in any context
>>318258151
Roronora, tuturi and mororu
>>318258261
Epic rebuttal, bro.
>>318258249
>isn't that just an argument to use the language where you can't tell that it sounds awkward and terrible?
But weren't you just saying you can easily pick out terrible japanese voice acting despite not being fluent or knowing more than 3 words in japanese?
You need to stay consistent if you wish to be taken seriously.
how to beat meruru extra fights?
>>318258369
That was a different response to a different argument being made, genius. You can't take response B to argument B and pretend that it somehow contradicts response A to argument A.
>>318258405
You don't even need alchemy for them
Just have everyone around 30 lvl and spam specials by cd. Don't use shitty characters like Mimi and Rorona
>>318258421
Now you're just grasping at straws.
You either can't determine the quality of a foreign language dub or you can.
Which is it?
>>318258405
Gino exploit
>>318258405
Unlike in Dusk games, Meruru has a semblance of difficulty.
You need to make ingots with time spirit, rainbow power, god power, black element or skill powers. Make ultimate weapons out of that.
Then make Meteors that are really really good.
Try to get good materials first in the dlc dungeon
>>318258542
The fuck are you talking about?
>>318258552
You can, obviously. Unless you are a retard such as yourself, which is who that argument was made to the benefit of.
>>318258554
I mean Gio
>>318246212
>how are you guys enjoying it so far?
Not much to say about it, it's just another fun game, I like how it has a much more lax vibe to it, the art style is really nice.
I've noticed the more obscure a fanbase is for a series, the more they are likely to bitch about change. This goes for Falcomfags as well. Both are people that aren't very pleasant to converse with.
>>318258273
Really? Doesn't that mean you haven't experienced Dusk at all? You played the good ones, with character portraits when talking too.
>>318258591
Kek
You only need rainbow power on your weapon
Anything else is useless
Now I understand why you think that Meruru has real deadlines. You just very bad at the game
I bet you needed 30 lvl party to beat sea dragon in Totori too
>>318258554
?
>>318258591
i think i made those (can't check now) but now people say you need equipment with essences to beable to beat makina domain
i barely got past the last extra boss in the dungeon before machinae domain
>>318258757
Do you think Tiffani is a widow because she got absolutely hammered one night and fucked her husband until he died of exhaustion?
>>318258842
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/696379-atelier-meruru-plus-the-apprentice-of-arland/66080967
>>318258826
Are you that mad about people pointing out that Dusk is ultra casual?
alright so i need like a release order for all of these games
for you see i would like to purchase and play them all on my vita
>>318258962
>I'm bad at the game and can't beat enemies without grinding level and having more than 1 dps trait on weapon
>better shift topic on the other game that even easier, or people will think that I'm casual
Kek
>>318246212
>piss easy crafting
>almost non-existent time management system
>just focus on the cute grils and yuribait, the otaku won't notice the difference
Gee, it's almost like they want the neptunia audience.
>>318259127
Calm down, nigger, we're sorry for offending your feefees.
>>318258949
>Esty gets jealous Tiffani got married before her
>Suddenly husband is dead before the game actually starts
>Sterk has business with Esty, but cannot beat her or put her down
>Ends up being a guard on the room next to her, keeping an eye on her at all times, as he does with Gio.
>Sterk becomes very fearful and submissive to Esty
This is probably what happened.
>>318259183
Hopefully it does turn into Neptunia, so people like you can finally fuck off.
>>318259263
nepgen merger when?
>>318259321
pls no
>>318259183
So Meruru 2.0?
>>318259321
i should make a nep+atelier thread sometime, just to see what happens
>>318260283
with>>318257807
as OP pic too
>>318260353
i actually got banned the last time i posted that pic as an OP image
>instigating flamewars
>>318260283
It would create the ultimate cesspool.
>>318248493
Sophie a cute! CUTE!
>>318257807
Art style of the left one pretty neat. Right one looks like some Barbie shit.
