>Use cigarettes
>Damage
>Use alcohol
>+1 strength
???
videogames and cigs don't mix because you can't smoke and code at the same time
>>318206348
Alcohol gives you drunken strength, cigarettes do not.
What games allow you to smoke ciggies? If it's something like Duke Nukem where you can't even see your character smoking and it just takes away health that doesn't count because that's just lame.
>>318206692
mgs, deus ex, postal 2, lots of late 90's/early 00's games because the matrix and nirvana made them feel cool
>>318206692
>he hasn't played Deus Ex
>he hasn't played System Shock 2
do you even good games?
>>318206573
cigarettes help you think, increase your focus. So it should steady head bobbing affect in fps games. If it's a detective game it could be something like every time you smoke you get a hint about where the next clue is or how to solve a puzzle.
>MGS 2
> Use cigarettes
> Damage
> but your aim is more steady.
>have one beer
>screen starts shaking around
>>318206348
Alcohol numbs your senses and gives you retard alcohol strength because you can't feel jack shit.
Cigarettes just slowly kill you while providing zero advantages.
There aren't enough games were you can get pissed drunk. I feel like Rockstar is the only dev that does it.
>>318206889
you don't see your character smoking in Deus ex. You just see a puff of smoke.
Are there any games that actually do alcohol in a good way? Where, if you consume it, there's some cool effects like you stumble around or see things kinda wavy? In GTA 5, the problem is that your drunkeness only lasts a few seconds.
>>318206348
What benefits do you think smoking gives, retard? If you think Charisma, that's very subjective since a lot of people know it's not "cool" to smoke anymore. Alcohol removes inhibitors so you can be as charming, or strong without thinking.
>Cigarettes help some people to focus. Agent York favors a brand that is hard to find.
>>318206573
>>318207058
you guys sure you're old enough to be here?
>drink one beer
>character starts shouting at people to initiate conversations
>the actual conversations however are normal
Why is this allowed.
>>318206348
It's stupid because alcohol is literally poison. It's why you feel like absolute shit when you wake up in the morning, you were poisoned.
wtb skooma
>>318207015
>down several whole bottles of vodka
>screen gets a little blurry
>>318207279
Yeah that pisses me off. If you're going to try to make your character drunk, at least make it feel sort of logical..
I think they did it best in GTA IV. You get wasted at a bar and you have drunker conversations with characters, where they often reveal more personal things about themselves. And when you drive, you go all over the place and the cops will chase you for drunk driving. It was pretty great.
>Alcohol gives you mana.
Does it make sense /v/?
Does it make tapping into the arcane easier?
>>318206348
The alchohol should give you endurance instead of strenght. Like it may numn the pain, but theres no way you hit stronger while drunk.
>try Zyme
>same effect as cigarette
>drink beer
>camera gets blurry
>smoke blunt
>camera gets blurry with green haze
>>318207279
what game
>>318207335
>gets a little blurry
>gets way more blurrier
>screen starts shifting around
>now impossible to control character
>death by alcohol poisoning
the zone is a hard place, stalker
>>318206348
>use cigarettes
>+1 PER
>use alcohol
>1+ STR
>2+ CHA
>-2 INT
>smoke weed
>gain permanent mana and xp
>do drugs
>its SloMo from Dredd
>>318207827
>and your cancer is cured, it's good for you man
>smoke
>it damages others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in8T0XTkSjw
>>318206573
Good job throwing puches actually capable of doing damage when you're too bolloxed to even stand.
>>318207827
based krauts
>>318207280
Coffee is literally poinson too. What's your point?
>>318207478
It sure as hell has the property of fortifying charisma.
But the concept of drunk mages, in the same vein as drunk monks is amusing.
>>318206902
Your better off taking drinking coffee or taking adderall than smoking cigarettes if you want focus.
>>318208635
You're a fucking moron, good day
>>318206902
Cigarettes only help you think and increase your focus if you're addicted to them. The addiction causes you to lose focus when you don't have the nicotine in your blood stream.
Fucking delusional cig smoker. I'm glad you're already killing yourselves.
>>318208809
smoking forces you to think about your physicality: hands, breathing, mouth, even environment
The effects are all bad, but it satisfies some sort of psychological need or at least compulsion
>>318208793
>Caffeine in plants acts as a natural pesticide: it can paralyze and kill predator insects feeding on the plant:[149] high caffeine levels are found in coffee seedlings when they are developing foliage and lack mechanical protection.[150]
>hurr
Get fucked, you dimwit.
>>318208735
but adderall slows you down and turns you into a zombie. cigarettes are actually a stimulant, but to the user they have a calming effect that helps them focus on their task at hand. I honestly don't think I could have passed my stat courses without them.
As far as coffee, there's nothing wrong with coffee it's just that it's kinda gay.
>>318208635
>Coffee is literally poinson too.
No it isn't.
Caffeine isn't even comparable to fucking cigarettes. Although a lot of coffee will obviously fuck up your heart and brain.
>>318209142
need or compulsion past chemical addiction, or else why would people start? I'm sure "peer pressure" would have died some point in the last couple thousand years
>>318209172
>a natural pesticide
You know what else fucking works as a natural pesticide? Salt.
Is salt a deadly poison?
>>318209239
>Caffeine isn't even comparable to fucking cigarettes
When was the comparison drawn? Last I checked
>>318207280
Was mentioning alcohol, not cigarettes.
>>318209142
>but it satisfies some sort of psychological need or at least compulsion
It's called addiction.
>>318208809
It's as much about the nicotine as it is the fact that you're taking deep, controlled breaths and focusing on the present moment.
Also rabid anti-smokers are humongous faggots, you don't want to be one of those guys. You're literally what annoyed people the most prior to SJWs becoming prominent.
>>318209172
I guess green tea is literally a poison too :)You're pathetic
>>318209330
>deadly poison?
>deadly
Moving goalposts now are we? Since when is alcohol a deadly poison?
>b-but you can die from too much of it
Just like how you can die from just about too much of anything. Like for example how you run the risk of choking to death from all the dick you suck every day. Go fuck yourself.
>>318209570
(you)
>>318208809
Cigarettes also help with ADHD
>>318209316
>chemical addiction
It's not that addictive m8. The effects of nicotine withdrawal get no worse than a mild headache, comparable to caffeine withdrawal.
>>318209570
Yes, because you also need the same amount of everything to die and also alcohol have so many positive effects, not to mention how vital it is for the body functions, isn't?
Alcoholics, everyone.
>>318209385
Hmmm...you know what I actually agree, otherwise heroin crack and every other addictive thing that is objectively destructive would have been weeded out long ago
>>318208809
Nicotine improves blood flow to the brain and cardiovascular system for a short while, regardless of your addiction or lack thereof.
>>318207234
They're probably confusing being blind drunk with having a beer or two but they've not never been drunk enough to realise the numbing of senses is accompanied by being drunk
>>318206692
Vanquish. And it's actually useful since it fucks with robots heat scanners
>>318206902
>cigarettes help you think, increase your focus.
How retarded can you be? That's literally a meme spread by word of moth, look how nicotine acts in the body, it does nothing for concentration, you re better of drinking coffee.
Jesus, what people say to justify their addictions.
>>318209834
>Consumption of 1,000–1,500 mg per day is associated with a condition known as caffeinism.[95] Caffeinism usually combines caffeine dependency with a wide range of unpleasant symptoms including nervousness, irritability, restlessness, insomnia, headaches, and palpitations after caffeine use.[96]
Caffeine overdose can result in a state of central nervous system over-stimulation called caffeine intoxication (DSM-IV 305.90).[97] This syndrome typically occurs only after ingestion of large amounts of caffeine, well over the amounts found in typical caffeinated beverages and caffeine tablets (e.g., more than 400–500 mg at a time). The symptoms of caffeine intoxication are comparable to the symptoms of overdoses of other stimulants: they may include restlessness, fidgeting, anxiety, excitement, insomnia, flushing of the face, increased urination, gastrointestinal disturbance, muscle twitching, a rambling flow of thought and speech, irritability, irregular or rapid heart beat, and psychomotor agitation.[94] In cases of much larger overdoses, mania, depression, lapses in judgment, disorientation, disinhibition, delusions, hallucinations, or psychosis may occur, and rhabdomyolysis (breakdown of skeletal muscle tissue) can be provoked.[98][99]
Massive overdose can result in death.[100][101] The LD50 of caffeine in humans is dependent on individual sensitivity, but is estimated to be 150 to 200 milligrams per kilogram of body mass (75–100 cups of coffee for a 70 kilogram adult).[102] A number of fatalities have been caused by overdoses of readily available powdered caffeine supplements, for which the estimated lethal amount is less than a tablespoon.[103] The lethal dose is lower in individuals whose ability to metabolize caffeine is impaired due to genetics or chronic liver disease[104] A death was reported in a man with liver cirrhosis who overdosed on caffeinated mints.[105][106][107]
>>318209886
Doesn't literally every other stimulant do that as well?
>Drink 3 beers
>Youre addicted to alcohol
>>318207280
No, it's because you drinking causes you to urinate and sweat more, which causes dehydration and desalination. Eat a salty, low calorie snack, and drink water, and you'll be okay.
>>318209789
I've never tried to quit cold turkey, but I also smoke for a month on and month off more or less
Friends who try to go cold turkey always fail. Some of these friends aren't even weak people, but they still fail. I have seen meth addicts who can take a break from meth but not cigarettes. Even myself, I was able to kick alcohol, weed, bad foods, but I still smoke a cigarette while socializing or during times of stress.
The only other thing I can't quit is fucking videogames, let's just agree vidya is the real problem here
We just need dungeon crawler mechanics in modern games.
>>318210129
>eat salt and drink water
But doesn't salt cause you to want more water?
>>318210070
Are you trying to further emphasize his argument?
>>318210070
>Look this harming substance is also bad for you
Your point is? You still require less of alcohol for a overdose, if dehydration didn't kill you first.
>>318210153
there's a difference between being psychologically addicted to something and chemically (physically) addictive to something. You're doing something that becomes a habit, a habit that becomes a big part of your day. It's no wonder that it's hard to quit. But is it actually chemically addictive? Not really. You're not going to have to go to the hospital for nicotine withdrawal like you might for alcohol or heroine withdrawal.
Hey guys I have a fact for you that might enlighten the conversation
Do you know what alcohols literal effect on the brain is? Do you really? I don't think you do.
Alcohol is a molecule bigger than Water (hydrogen dioxide), when alcohol is in the blood it forces the levels of water in the blood down (kind of like salt). Now pay attention please, when the alcohol to water ratio gets too high in the blood, the water from your brain (yes your brain) is forces out into the bloodstream at a rapid pace causing DEATH of neurons. The feeling of drunkenness is temporary neural damage from rapid dehydration of the brain cells. So just in ase you thought it was something different, that's what it is. To the guy who suggests eating salt to replenish nutrients, you're better off just drinking more until you die.
>>318210129
I wish it was that simple. Hangover is still pretty poorly understood scientifically. Dehydration is just one factor.
>>318210460
Point is I'm I'm saying that other mundane shit can be defined as "poison", which makes you calling alcohol "poinson" pretty fucking stupid.
>you require less
And you comfortably place a line at whatever degree of "more" and "less" defines poinson to suit your shitty argument. Now I'm asking. What is your point when YOU (or the retard that you are defending in the case of you backpeddaling with "t-that was a different anon!") arbitrarily define alcohol as "poison"?
>>318208635
More than several studies have shown that coffee is more beneficial than not.
Coffee is pretty good for you
>>318209484
at least they don't smell like shit lel
>>318206348
>use cigs
>-1 agi
>use alco
>-1 perception
>>318210848
So NOTHING is a poinson??? Thank god I can eat a little draino as long as it's just a little
Everybody here drinks dude you're just tricking yourself into thinking it's nutritious for some unknown reason
>>318206510but you can vape
>>318210848
Just because everything in higher doses can harm you doesn't remove the poison status to the rest of the poisons, do you think poison is just something that will kill you in matter of minutes?
Alcohol is a weak poison, but still is one, it can kill in one day if you drank too much, you can't get heart attack from coffee in one day. Alcohol has no beneficial effects and only does harm, are you really this dense or are you that much of an alcoholic?
>use cigarettes
>enemies get distracted
>>318211070
>CNS stimulant
>-1 AGI
more like
>-1 END
>+1 AGI
>looking glass studios/irrational games
>Drink coffee
>+SEN
>+BRN
>Smoke weed
>-REF
>stress down
>>318210848
What are you on about? Your wikipedia entry even said itself that you need 100 cups of coffee in order to get a caffeine overdose while people can easily die of alcohol poisoning from 10 shots of tequila.
>>318210848
>arbitrarily define alcohol as "poison"?
You are the one trying to fuck around with the definition of poison to suit your shitty argument retard, the definition is not fucking arbitrary.
The cornerstone is the dose, re you telling me water is also a poison or simple that nothing is a poison?
>>318211223
>>318211323
Poison - noun
a substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed.
Again, the fuck is the point you're trying to make by calling it poison? Again, caffeine, by definition, is poison. What's your fucking point? How is you calling it poison relevant in any way?
>smoke cig
>random person walks up also with a cig
>+1 companion
>>318211448
>corruption of champions
All I see is lack of DICK
>Smoke cigarette
>%chance to die of a heart attack
>stress down
>>318206692
Metal Gear
>>318211546
basically you're saying the english definition of "poison" is wrong and this whole time you've been using your own personal word "poinson" which I am compelled to assume is something completely fucking retarded
You can keep using your word if you like, but just understand nobody will know what the word means until you explain it
>>318212230
>basically you're saying the english definition of "poison" is wrong
Where? I am using said definition as a basis to point out that a shitload of ordinary substances can be considered poison, and that poiting out the fact that alcohol is one of them, is fucking pointless and serves no purpose to any argument whatsoever.
>>318206887
I can't actually remember anyone smoking in the matrix. But fuck, they really popularized trenchcoats, wrap around sunglasses and kung fu for the edgy teen market.
>>318212449
But according to your interpretation nearly everything in human life is poisonous.
>>318207280
Hangovers are more or less entirely dehydration.
Alcohol is still poison, but not as badly as you're suggesting. The SHORT term effects of alcohol are almost entirely subverted by drinking water and taking a potassium pill.
>>318212832
>your
That's the definition given by most dictionaries you dipshit.
>>318210070
Minor caffeine overdose isn't lethal dumbo. It's called jitters.
>>318212986
>>318211546
>a substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed.
>illness
whoops!
>>318212449
Air is also introduced to the system, the word "poison" exists to denote something that we try to avoid. It's a simple concept of survival which is why we have a different word for "poison" than "food". Kind of like how fire good and you can't breathe underwater. Is a bullet to the head poison? It's not, but I'd love for you to try both and see the difference.
>>318213085
Oxygen is capable of causing your death along with water and carrot juice and many other things.
Does that make them poison?
I'd refer you to the father of toxicology.
>>318212887
No. Hangovers are not caused by dehydration, that is a myth.
>>318212832
>life is poisonous
Ain't that the truth.
>>318212959
I didn't say definition you dipshit. All of your comments explain your interpretation of poison as too much of a substance. According to that water is a poison, the air you breathe is poison, and the food you eat is poison.
>>318210791
[citation needed]
>you've become addicted to alcohol
>implying thats even possible
>>318213120
>the word "poison" exists to denote something that we try to avoid
Yeah, because alcohol is totally something that society completely avoids. It's not like beers ia a common beverage consumed by people throughout hundreds of years of history and it's not like I can just go to my local caffe to buy some hot wine or black tea mixed with goddamn brandy.
>>318213379
>hundreds of years of history
try dozens of years, buddy.
>tfw the very first beer was fruit beer over several years ago
>tfw I called a dandy for drinking fruity beers, despite chronologically being the very first kind
>>318213214
There are a myriad of attributed factors, but water intake alleviates a lot of them
>Dehydration contributes to sore throat, headache, etc.
>Drinking water to avoid dehydration prevents this
>Stomach irritation can cause acid production, leading to nausea
>More water leads to a lower acid concentration
So on and so forth.
Alcohol is bad. Honestly, there are other drugs that should be legal before alcohol. That having been said, alcohol does not kill you overnight and you can enjoy a few drinks responsibly without nearly the sort of side effects that guy implied.
>>318213368
I find the notion that people get addicted to anything hilarious.
I'm drinking since I was 9 and I never felt real pull towards alcohol other than occasionally drinking at new year's eveor vodka when I have disposable income to dumb myself down for a couple hours and stop thinking.
>>318213551
>beer was invented over several years ago
u wot
http://ancientegyptonline.co.uk/beer.html
>>318207160
That's the worst part of GTAV for me.
You get absolutely plastered at the bar, but by the time you even get out the door it's worn off and you don't get a chance to drive.
>>318213551
>Beer is one of the world's oldest prepared beverages, possibly dating back to the early Neolithic or 9500 BC, when cereal was first farmed,[13] and is recorded in the written history of ancient Iraq and ancient Egypt.[14] Archaeologists speculate that beer was instrumental in the formation of civilizations.[15]
http://www.britannica.com/topic/beer
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/archeologists-link-rise-of-civilization-and-beers-invention/
http://www.livescience.com/32424-when-was-beer-invented.html
oh gee what's this
>>318213839
yeah thats over several years ago
>>318213379
>Hundreds of years
Hammurabi's code dictated that if you watered beer down, you would be drowned in it.
Beer and civilization go hand in hand, partially because getting drunk feels good and it was one of the most universally produceable drugs, and partially because there were practical benefits to producing beer.Ancient beer was largely substantially weaker in terms of concentration than modern beer.The main benefit was sanitary, as the process of making beer ensured that water was properly sterilized and thus fit for human consumption.
>>318210090
This post deserves for attention
This shit is fucking retarded and the exact reason i never use any chems or alcohol in any FO game because fuck having to visit the doctor just because i casually drank some whiskey
You don't smoke a joint twice and suddenly you're sucking dick in the alley for your next fix, what the fuck
>>318213763
Try something actually addicting like nicotine or amphetamines or opiates or benzos and see how immune to addiction to you are
>>318213909
That's more than 100 years ago anon.
>>318213989
nowadays places drink bottled coca-cola instead of their shitty water.
>>318211323
>Alcohol has no beneficial effects and only does harm,
Moderate amounts are good for your heart. Also increasing quality of life is a beneficial effect.Human beings are just sacks of chemicals that eventually wear out and can no longer support consciousness. 'Poisonous' chemicals are just those ones that happen to cause lethal imbalances especially quickly. Poison is a human term, not a primal force of evil, and no human being will live forever even if raised on the most nutritious foods. Purity is a human concept.
>>318214071
>try doing some degenerate shit
Nah m8. Knowing my luck and genes I'd get cancer from a single cigarette.
I took a bunch of various pills but none ever addicted me.
You just need to be a weakwilled faggot to get addicted to anything. Want to quit something? Stop fucking doing it then. It's as easy as not buying cigarettes/drugs.
>>318208635
>coffee is literally a poison
So is oxygen. We should all stop breathing.
>>318213989
What's more is that actual volume consumed was much higher as a result of the sanitation reasons.
Rations during 18th century wars gave soldiers a gallon and a half of beer a day.
A gallon and a half.
>>318213989
>getting drunk feels good
It doesn't
It eases the pain of life.
>>318213839
It possibly even goes back to before agriculture with semi-sedentary hunter-gatherers as it appears that religious practices tied to beer and alcohol predate agriculture.
We know for a fact though that the ancients considered alcohol to be divine and miraculous. Just look at all of the gods whose attributes are described in terms of fermented products, beer, bread, wine, etc.
>>318214134
Just saying that's how it started. Nowadays it's all cultural intertia, e.g how the prohibition failed spectacularly.
>>318214320
Not feeling pain feels good to be honest family.
>>318213745
No.
Hangovers have nothing to do with hydration. They are caused by your liver breaking the ethanol down into aceteldehyde, and the aceteldehyde being broken down further into formaldehyde, which is toxic and makes people sick.
>>318214232
you know when you cut an apple in half and it starts to brown right away? thats oxygen doing that and thats what oxygen does to your body slowly over time. I wish I could breathe something nicer
>>318214402
>Formaldehyde contributes to hangover symptoms
Granted.
>Hangovers have nothing to do with dehydration
Patently untrue in a vast majority of hangovers.
>Smoking phased out of film
>It still appears in vidya
This needs to change
>>318214348
>It possibly even goes back to before agriculture with semi-sedentary hunter-gatherers as it appears that religious practices tied to beer and alcohol predate agriculture.
which is why its largely accepted that the very first beers were fruity types made from foraged berries and the like
>>318214505
We can't. Not anymore anyway. Back then before multi cellular life evolved there was only single celled life forms. Our atmosphere was mostly nitrogen and these life forms "breathed" nitrogen. But bacteria released a lot of oxygen as a byproduct which changed our atmosphere. Oxygen soon displaced nitrogen and killed of most forms of life. Only life forms that adapted to metabolize oxygen thrived and evolved. So we breathe oxygen due to what took place millions of years ago.
tl;dr: Life once thrived on nitrogen but nature took its course and now life thrives on oxygen.
>>318214691
Yeah, that seems pretty likely.
>>318215027
there was also a higher concentration of carbon in the air too. 15 fold or whatever of what we have today. but then trees and other carbon sucking lifeforms evolved and changed that
>>318214505
Apples turn brown because of specific enzymatic processes that take place in the presence of oxygen, not because the oxygen is somehow corrupting and destroying it.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/experts-why-cut-apples-turn-brown/
>there's an entire quest-line about selling weed in a fucking monastery
>>318215234
you're just splitting hairs. its because of oxygen that it browns. it would be fine in any other atmosphere
>>318215243
Why would that be odd? Drugs and religions have until recently gone hand in hand.
>>318215524
It couldn't have grown in an atmosphere WITHOUT oxygen.
>>318215718
weed seems pretty tame for a monastery though
>>318210803
you mean the sudden increase of blood pressure when the alcohols effect wears off?
>>318215972
>sudden
It's also not increase in blood pressure but rather blood regaining its viscosity. Alcohol is a bloodthinner.
dehydration has to be the main cause of hang overs though. the worst hang over I got was from a night of chasing whiskey with pickle brine.
>>318216160
the pressure increases the thicker the fluid. also that means more blood than usual ends up in your head. causing it to ache
>>318217696
You're confusing the cause with effect.
The cause is blood becoming thicker, the effect is increased blood pressure.
>>318206348
>Cigs give you EVE, but take away health
>Smoking 10 cigarettes literally kills you
>Alcohol
>+3 CH
>+3 ST
>-3 IN
Too bad I have 3 CH and 10+ IN, so that's a perfect tradeoff for me.
>>318206348
>alcohol
>impacts the brain
>drunk people cant feel shitemotionally, too
>videogame inflates this for purpose of use
>cigs
>you smoke one
>+1 cancer
>nothing else happens besides a weird smell on you
there's a reason, anon. I'm sorry smoking isn't cool anymore. At least we still have Big Boss to remind us once in a while.
At least we dontvape
>>318209186
>slows you down and turns you into a zombie
No it does not. You feel like you're moving slower but that's because you're paying more attention to the passage of time while under amphetamines. Adderall makes you extremely focused once you've hit the minimum dose of around 50-60mg. Small doses like 30mg won't do shit, however and will just perk you up slightly. There's a reason why college kids abuse it more than any other drug.
>>318214007
>Use Turbo to go fast
>Use it again because somehow I'm in deep shit at a low level but at least I have a few Turbos stocked up
>Addicted to GOTTAGOFAST
>>318218181
Why not snort amphetamine the good old way?that's what I do
>>318206902
>cigarettes help you think, increase your focus.
Absolutely not.
>>318218003
It's actually a really shitty tradeoff unless it stacks with something else or can stack with itself.
>>318218387
Whatever works for you. The statement "slows you down" couldn't be any more wrong, is all I'm saying. YOU may feel slow, but that's just an illusion because you're processing information at a much faster rate than normal.
>>318206348
>use alcohol
>+1 liver damage
>>318207015
>gta5
>have 9 beers to get drunk and it wears off quickly
>take 5 shots
>literally die and wake up in the hospital
Pretty realistic except 9 beers dont wear off that fast, but sure does take that many to get a nigga going
>>318207941
10/10
>>318218732
>take 5 shots and die
>take 9 beers and you're just "going"
What the fuck? Do they have the servings for beer and spirits mixed up where you live or something?
