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Xenogears is not allowed because mech segments are fucking awful
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>>318195420
Pic immensely unrelated. Enix/Tri-Ace are the kings of boring ass RPGs.
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I've always been a fan of the whole timed hits concept.
>>318195420
>can't get working it on psp
>psp port is inferior
Feels sad, man.
And Digital Devil Saga as well.
>>318195420
>2D action side-scrolller/platformer with fantasy settings is instantly labeled a JRPG due to having an inventory and equipable items
This never fails to sucker/anger me.
>Oh Anon, there are lots of JRPGs for the PS3. Just look at Dragon's Crown and Valkyria Chronicles
>>318195616
you have shit taste
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>>318196583
>meet monster
>screen transition to combat
>game is now turn based
It's as JRPG as it gets, numbnuts. Plenty of other games in the genre have jumping and other misc actions outside of combat.
>>318195420
>RPGs that don't have boring / shit combat
>jrpgs
>>318198076
and?
![Papermario[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TMyGyWt.jpg "Papermario[1].jpg")
>>318195420
how did the battle system work?
>>318196583
>2D action side-scrolller/platforme
That's only for the dungeons anon. You should play the game before shitposting.
>>318199931
You just spammed the face buttons randomly
>>318199931
It was turn-based with combos. Your characters were mapped to the face buttons. Press square for example, and Lenneth would attack. Your characters could use up to 3 attacks per turn based on the weapon they were equipped with. You could string together attacks with your characters, and if you chained together enough attacks, you could perform limit breaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNtIwnWRsQ
>>318200494
I bet you got blocked and missed a ton
>>318200494
>he was an eddy gordo main
>>318200494
And then you got blown the fuck up and wasted periods because you suck at the game.
>>318200494
ok good because i thought i was an idiot for not understanding this supposedly unique battle system. i picked it up under the impression that it would be like a 2d fighting game inside battles with blocking and horizontal movement and heavy rpg elements but was sorely disappointed
>>318200494
There are some fights that if you try to do that it's going to make them either drag on infinitely or you're gonna get your ass kicked.
>>318197854
Did they ever release a content patch? I beat the game just out of the desire to actually do something.
>>318195420
I fucking love this game but fuck Lezard's tower.
>>318200425
Was that man-hater good or did I just misuse her?
>>318201736
You misused her.
>>318201523
>i picked it up under the impression that it would be like a 2d fighting game
Why would you ever do that?
>>318195420
Obligatory.
>>318201736
She's only ok. boned by most of the best spears being shit or not available until late and her attacks not meshing well with others for comboing
>>318199931
Turn based. 4 characters, each assigned to a button. When you press a button, they attack. They all have 3 attacks per turn, with different ways to hit enemies for each character (a heavy swing that breaks guards, a uppercut that sends them flying, a straight multi-hit..). So you spam your buttons in order to do what you want, for exemple send an enemy flying then keep him airborne for everyone to hit him for bonus XP, or crush them to the ground for bonus energy, etc.
Usually you just spam all buttons then end your turn though.
>>318202085
Anon probably saw gameplay videos with some crazy ass combos in them and thought that they were what the game was all about.
>>318202085
i emulated it so i just tabbed to emuparadise as soon as i saw what i thought was promise in the game, not like i went to a store and bought it and had to deliberate
Too bad that series basically died.
This is one of the few jRPGs I actually liked.
>>318202796
Was Valkyrie Profile 2 any good?
>>318202315
>They all have 3 attacks per turn
Up to 3 attacks. The amount they have depends on their weapon.
>>318203075
Yes
>>318202796
Exist Archive is looking like a good mix of VP1 and VP2 and Tri-Ace is making it. It's not VP3 but it's nice to see they still care for this type of gameplay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJrXFVVwtZc
>>318203395
Damn. Story any good? From what I can gather, the third Valkyre possessed a waifu and they're traveling together with archer Shaggy.
>>318203471
That looks cool, too.
>>318203905
Yes. If you've played 1 already go play 2. If you haven't played 1 yet play it first to completion.
>>318195420
>combat in Valkyrie Profile
>not boring/shit
>>318204113
I'm working my way through it now. Also, what's Covenant of the Plume's deal? Saw it in GameStop a while back.
>want to post webms of Lezard's batshit insane laughs in VP2
>/v/ still doesn't allow sound on webms
Lame.
>>318204465
Be sure to get the A ending. If you aren't playing on hard finish that game on B path and restart for A
CotP is mostly unrelated as far as the overall story goes. It's set sometime before 1 happens and you play as a human who's approached by Hel to make a contract for power. Uses srpg grid combat but turns into VP combat when you actually attack, with characters nearby joining in for the usual 4 attackers. It's not the best, but it's decent and has an ok story of its own. It's Seraphic Gate is almost a 2nd game entirely as well, which is amazing.
the difference timed button presses can make
>>318205085
Did someone say timed button presses?
>>318203075
Wish there would be some port. I never owned stationary console and VP2 was one of those games that had tons of problems with emulation.
>>318203471
Thanks for info, mate.
>>318205085
>Eternal key with gamble ring
>>318195420
>Xenogears is not allowed because mech segments are fucking awful
kill yourself
>>318204924
>Be sure to get the A ending. If you aren't playing on hard finish that game on B path and restart for A
I don't even know what the fuck I'm doing story wise, anon.
>>318205714
He's right you know, the mech segments were the most simplistic shit of all time, fuck that.
>>318206256
Finish B and listen to things. Watch the prologue again and take off the nibelugen ring if you aren't using it for a boss fight.
It can take a few runs to figure out how to A ending so using a guide is ok if you wanna make it quick.
>>318206425
What's wrong with it? Fuel?
>>318206660
Boredom, fuel was a non issue. There just wasn't anything to it.
>>318206794
>>318206425I-I liked them...
>>318206794
>>318206939
Yeah I liked them too but I see where he's coming from. You have the cool input combos when youre on foot but when you jump into a mech it's just attack then do stronger attack
>rpg
>without boring/shit combat
Good luck.
>>318201534
Yeah.. the rest of the game (99% of your time) is just madly random button presses on the combat system.
Please don't praise this combat system, I tried a lot to like it, I failed.
VC is still to this day one game that I can't understand why people like it, and the game that made me understand that shitty combat == shitty game.
>>318207086
People seem to be doing a good job so far.
>>318195420
But the mech segments are better than the on foot combat.
>>318207142
Anon, how far did you get in the game?
Arc Rise Fantasia has a very nice strategic turn based combat.
>>318195476
I liked the battle system, but dear god that game was a ride full of wasted potential.
>>318203075
Yes
>>318203471
I would like this 100 times more if it had a less generic anime art style, but I'm still gonna get it, looks fun.
>>318195476
>kicking everyone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrJ7F3lzQiI
man that game was good
>>318207086
https://youtu.be/8l1vhIvzxo0?t=1m30s
Since we are already talking about Tri-Ace games, so far I'm enjoying pic related I like the battle system, the way levels work and customization.
>>318207750
That looks so fuckin' stupid.I love it.
>>318207498
>enemies are easy shit
>bosses kick your ass if you're not properly prepared
I have mixed feelings about this game
>mfw you have to go through a ton of ridiculously complicated bullshit just to get the best ending of the first Valkyrie Profile game
>>318208095
Its not even just "prepared", you need to know how to manage your ap well to attack, how you manage your orbs between your characters, how you channel your dual/try magics/excel arts, I was really surprised with the combat system and the bosses, the game is really good in that aspect.
Also having the cannon fodder mobs being too strong would make the game drag a lot since MP isn't really spammable and you'd have to go back to the inn a lot or completely avoid monsters on dungeons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-11LNuTnP8
>>318207142
>99% of your time
>fighting random trash mobs in a JRPG is not the epitome of challenge in video games
You don't say.
>is just madly random button presses on the combat system
What a shallow way to describe the combat system. Every video game combat system can be described as "random button presses".
What about getting the timing right for your combos depending on the weight of the enemy to maximize your exp or the red crystals to restore your Spells/Soul Crushes faster? And there are plenty of enemies even in random battles that require certain timing to break their defense or to avoid their counter. The game also had a load of skills to supplement you in combat.
>>318207498
As long as you're playing the undub patch or have your TV on mute.
>>318208686
I'm playing the undub on dolphin.
>>318208608
>What a shallow way to describe the combat system. Every video game combat system can be described as "random button presses".
That is just untrue, are you fucking retarded? If you plan what you're doing, its not random, unlike VC where you can really randomly press buttons and win fights.
Try to do that on Arc Rise Fantasia like the anon posted, you'll die even on normal battles (which aren't hard).
>Ys not mentioned yet
Is it possible that v doesn't know that game???
>>318207498
Came in the thread to post this, playing it right now its such an underrated game
>>318209160
Of course I know, I wouldn't say that the combat system is good... its very simple... I mean the way the game is designed is what makes it good. If the boss battles were boring I'd hate the game, desu I don't like the game in general, I just love the boss battles and music.
And after 7 and Celceta I really don't know if I like it anymore.
>>318207498
Looks creepy
>>318208993
>He just played Chapter 0
>>318210326
Boss Battles were still exciting in 7 but I can see why you would think that for Celceta. That said Mask of the Sun and V were the franchise's lowest points and there hasn't been Ys games that bad since those two.
>>318195420
i haven't played many rpgs in general but VP and earthbound's battle systems have been the only ones i really liked. it's a lot more interactive than just the standard turn taking battles
>force the player to transition to real-time battles
>in a game where the battles are frequent in number and the player is exploring or backtracking before being interrupted
>don't allow the option to autobattle
>make the Run command able to miss
>don't allow the player to autowin if the party is high enough level
For what purpose
>>318212007
What game?
>>318208608
Thing is even later random encounters would probably destroy him with how he played.
>>318207750
>>318207867
Its so satisfying to paint everyone blue and go in with Vash or Leanne to clean up.Leanne was so damn cute.
There's Battle Network I suppose.
There really isn't anything else quite like it(Unless it's Star Force but that's somewhat debatable)
if you think xenogears mech battles were good you're shit
>>318195420
>No one has mentioned Grandia yet
>>318213590
generic turn based combat, am i missing something?
>>318213590
You're missing a lot, man.
>>318214165
Yeah.
>>318215128
elaborate
>>318208267
>a ton of ridiculously complicated bullshit
Don't wear the ring
Play til 4 or 5 normally
Make sure to beat lezard's tower when you recruit the teacher chick
Visit the meadow
Go to Lucian's town before divining his death
Get lucian and use him
Get Mystina and use her
Visit Brahms
Send lucian up before chapter 6? I think
If you get the extended scene with Loki and Lucian, you're done. Just visit the meadow again when you're done with chapter 8 instead of letting it time out.
It's stupidly easy to get A ending and takes minimal attention to detail. You don't even need to know the exact numbers for the seal rating stuff, just do it all in a later chapter at once and it all stacks perfectly for you. The only real requirements for A ending are to have visited the meadow, have less than 40ish seal rating, mystina recruited, met lucian before getting him and send lucian up by a certain chapter. Those are the triggers for him to prompt her and ask if she's platina. If you got that scene and your seal is still ok then the chapter summary of that chapter should give you the Loki scene and you're done with any prep.
I figured this shit out when I was 15 without a strategy guide or the internet and I was a fucking stupid teen
>>318215345
Considering Grandia's battle system is unique to itself, it is the exact opposite of generic.
Shadow Hearts from the new world is really great.
It's a turn based game with timed hits and you can customize the judgement ring for every character. But on top of that you have a super meter that builds up during the fight that you can spend to lower the enemy's super meter, take two turns with one character, combo into another character's turn, or give every character a two turn combo attack. It's pretty fun because most spells are more effective at certain distances/heights and you need to rely on combo attacks to set up big special moves.
Enemies can make use of super the same way and it's incredibly dangerous to let them fight back because unless you get lucky you're almost certain to lose a character or two. It's a lot like SMT where the goal of each battle is to puzzle out a turn 0 victory. You go through SP pretty quickly so you really have to pick and choose which battles are worth going all out.
>>318215697
Shadow hearts 2 is even better.
1 less so, but still a better story than FoNW
Bring it on, /v/.
>>318203395
Holy shit, thats some horrible freeze framing right there. I actually thought it was freezing because whoever made that vid had a shit PC but then I looked at the hit counter and it seemed liked it was going fine
>>318216595
Every critical hit in VP2 does that.
>>318216735
Is that a problem with the emulation or is it in the console too? I almost instinctively closed the webm because I thought it was making my shit lag
>>318217320
It's built into the game. A ton of ps2 rpgs do freeze framing on critical hits
>>318217320
Its a cool looking effect, autismo.
>>318217320
It's to highlight the enemy parts that are being hit when they break. You can get special drops and equips from breaking certain enemy parts.
Before this thread gets archived, is Xenogears a good game? A place near work has the discs for about 30 dollars, wondering if I should pick it up.
>>318195420
Pic unrelated I assume?
>>318213590
Mah nigga, I came in here to post this. One of the best battle systems ever.
>>318217970
Its only cool if its done on single attacks like >>318217752. Giving multihit attacks the possibility of proccing freeze frame effect on every single hit makes the game look like its gonna shit itself
>>318218708
It's alright.
If I had to say something about it's issues though well there's some platforming that isn't handled very well because of how the camera angles can get in your way. Slow and I do mean slow text speed which can be slightly aggravating. Disc two being pretty much everyone sitting in a chair telling you everything about awesome shit that you can't play yourself mostly.
Final FantasyN/A
>>318218708
Yeah. fun battle system, pretty good plot if a little longwinded, decent character design. It might be the best JRPG from that era.
>>318219192
you don't normally see it that much. It's just because of that specific setup to farm crystals and that attack of rufus'
The Last Remnant.
>>318196965
Got that game just today.
>>318218708
Typical nineties Squaresoft, so you get an above-average JRPG with decent amount of content.
If you care about plot in your JRPG or mecha, get it, otherwise pass it.
It just werks for me anon. My emulator uses the PPSSPP core.
I was going to try the PS1 game again, but I remembered that I had trouble at some parts when emulating. What's inferior about the PSP port?
>>318196965
Combat is literally generic, it adds nothing that hasn't been done before.
>>318219845
Not much, really. It's missing some of the minor tweaks for the PS1 international release but it's really nothing important.
>>318219845
no switching character in menu with l and r buttons and no item sort
>>318196965
Hearts is a mash-up of RPG clichés, no to mention all the shit it ripped off from Final Fantasy. The only Tales game I had to force myself to finish.
>>318220051
I don't think my autism will be able to accept this.
>>318219258
>>318219458
>>318219829
Thanks, seems interesting. How's the music?
>>318219845
Menus, CG cutscenes are worse than the conversations they replace because they tell you less.
Emulating VP needs a certain trigger switched on in most PS1 emus or a tri-Ace fix in the case of epxse otherwise you hang on some triggers during scenes. The same fix causes one other hang when you recruit Gandar so you just make a hard save and restart the emu with the trigger off, get past the scene and turn it back on
>>318220234
It's done by Nobuo Uematsu if I'm not mistken.
>>318220368
Don't be a retard.
Uematsu has never worked on a Xeno game. All the music was done by Yasunori Mitsuda.
>>318220234
Well it's pretty good has some standout tracks.
>>318220368
It was Yasunori Mitsuda who also did stuff like Crono Cross.
>>318218708
I'm only around 5 hours in but it's mediocre at best so far and most JRPGs, even mediocre ones can keep my interest from the first hour or so.
>>318195420
you could have put the sequel though, because VP1 gets boring
>>318220675
I'm having trouble forcing myself through Xenogears though.
Final Fantasy V
>>318201665
brahms castle was way worse
>>318220780
Alicia a qt.
>>318195476
>radiata stories
>not boring shit combat
Dohoho
>>318195420
He shoots his dad out of his giant robot gun. OP confirmed for having too many cocks in his mouth.
>>318218708
You can download it on PSN for like 10 bucks dude. You will most likely not like the game.
Not to mention you can emulate it.
>>318195420
best game, best girl
>>318220921
best thighs
>>318202176
Horrible game.
>>318219192
eh it only is bothersome when you crystal farm due to rufus, but otherwise it's fine
>>318216595
>>318217320
it's an in-game effect
webm doesn't have audio but man if a critical hits you get this really chunky, delicious noise, imagine if you hear it consecutively
>>318195420
The best RPG combat system is the one that's gotten over with the fastest. What are some other RPGs with blisteringly fast combat, /v/?
>>318195420
am I the only person who liked front mission 3, fuck I want to play that game again, but for whatever reason I cannot get it to work. This shit was my 1st mech game and I loved the shit out of it.
>>318195420
>mfw decide to emulate that because the combat looks fucking awesome
>everything is classic mystical jrpg in the intro
>freeze frame happens right before Freya was going to tell me the meaning of my life
>can't be arsed to go through all that shit again with the risk that it'll freeze again
>>318221068
>To my side my noble einherjar.
>I grow tired of you...
>>318221342
Yes you're the only person who liked one of the most successful and critically acclaimed Front Mission titles.
>>318221068
>>318221310
Any Dragon Quest game with the DQVII engine.(so, all of the remakes for the DS)
EO series.
SNES-era SMT.
>>318221363
We learn something cool everyday.
>>318221342
Playing it now for the first time on myvita, having a blast.
>>318221342
Pretty much >>318221565
>>318221565
>most successful and critically acclaimed
Wasn't it the only one actually released in the west?
>>318218708
It's one of those "you had to play it as a teen" games
>>318222139
That means it is shit.
>>318222026
We got 4 and the DS remake of 1.
>>318222026
It was the first to get an international release and it's sort of the title that defined the franchise. At the time I likened it to how the jump of Air Combat -> Ace Combat was 8 years or so prior.
The core gameplay was the same, you had mechs on a grid and you chose the weapon loadout and it defined your strategy, but you had a much deeper story driving the game as well as leveling and other rpg'ish traits in the game. I think 3 was about a secret robot project being run by not-japan despite some sort of internation committee saying we should not build giant war robots and some terrorists jack it. I dunno, it's been awhile.
>>318221826
I'd like to learn what the fuck to do with the statue things in Illusion of Gaia. Game was fucking based but throws these brick wall puzzles at you
>>318222627
> I think 3 was about a secret robot project being run by not-japan despite some sort of internation committee saying we should not build giant war robots and some terrorists jack it. I dunno
Not even close. It was a hunt for a new type of super-weapon that went missing with a bunch of synthetic humans in the middle.
>>318223195
Those were the numbers right? The two protags are forced to tag along in documenting the new mecha by some chick they pick up at a bar they find the controversial wanzer and I think fight outside of the base they're making a delivery to? Then they meet the gene modded number guys who want to take over the japanese govt. because they want to start another war.
Fuck. I should just go back and replay it.
>>318223803
That's the Emma campaign.
I prefer the Alisa campaign because Liu is based as fuck.
As for the 'numbers'. Imaginary numbers are the synthetic humans, notable ones beingEmir (Emma), Alisa, Lukav, Ivan, All of Lukav's sub ordinates. Real numbers are what imaginary numbers call normies.
yes you should go back and play it.
