HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE
>Kellogg is clearly about 40 years old when he takes Shaun
>60 years later, he looks about the same age
What the fuck? Am I missing something or is this a massive plot hole?
>>318165331
Visit Institute, then you will find out.
>>318165331
He's a cyborg now. Age means nothing to him
>>318165331
you skipped the dialogue didint you?
>Go into his memories
>RECENT memory
>he's there with shaun
>like 10 years have passed
The director isn't your son.
>>318165515
She said the most recent dumbass
And since most of the component got fucked by your bullets it destroyed most of it
>>318165331
Yes you are missing the part he is a fucking half toaster, geez play the game before starting shitty threads.
>>318165706
That doesn't stop the other half form aging, anon-kun.
>>318165682
They're also in the house in Diamond City in that memory.
>>318165331
hello obsidiot. trying to pick holes in my perfect game that you clearly didnt play? i expected better desu, pathetic obsidiots. go back to nma
>>318165908
It does and the it is stated in the game
>>318165515
But you also see his childhood. Clearly that isn't recent.
>>318166165
Look at Nick. He's also a Synth and looks like shit. Do you think a mercenary toaster would still look like that after 60 years?
>>318165506
What fucking dialogue? Oh you mean your four choices of "give me back my son"?
>>318165331
Welcome to the best show in the universe I'm Maddox
>>318166418
Are you retarded? Have you played the game?
>>318165331
I know you guys hate the game and try to pick at bullshit, BUT JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ARENT YOU PAYING ATTENTION AT ALL? THERE'S MAGIC LEVEL RECONSTRUCTIVE SURGERY, Its literally talked about every 15 minutes in the first half of the game
>>318166418
fuckin kill yourself
>>318166637
Yes
>The Institute keeps saying that Kellogg was a necessary hire so that the institute could carry out dirty work on the surface.
>They simultaneously introduce Coursers, synths created specifically for combat and retrieval purposes.
Why is Kellogg in the game? Why didn't they just send a Courser?
>>318166418
Le ebin b8
>>318166691
>>318166903
If half a toaster doesn't age like shit a full on toaster shouldn't age like shit either.
checkmate atheists.
>>318166868
because kellogg is better than their coursers in terms of infiltration and combat
>>318166868
He worked for the institute way before coursers, not to mention with the upgrades he's more efective
>>318166868
Because a Bethesda game needed a generic Bethesda antagonist.
>>318166868
He was around before the synth program became the Institute's main focus, got cybernetic surgery before they discontinued that and did shit for them before Coursers were a thing. Why throw away an effective asset?
>>318166418
Nick hasn't aged either he's just broken.
>>318166868
>I didn't pay any attention to the huge story part about how he joined when Gen 1 Synths were new
>>318165331
>HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE
Speaking of which, why the FUCK are phones getting bigger again?!
Fuck this fucking shit.Still have my super big old nokia phone my dad used to have. I mean this thing is heavy enough to crack a fucking skull open for fucks sake.
>>318167138
robots are probably easier to control then people
plus you could just plunder the parts from him and build a robot
>>318165331
Yes.
>>318167305
>mfw buying Note 5
This shit is big and I'm scared that it will shatter if anything touches it's screen.
>>318167098
>Conrad "Waifu Slayer" Kellogg
>Generic
I just finished the fight with Kellogg and I finally realized how fucking terrible the combat in this game was. I shot him 20+ times in the fucking face in a small room.
>>318167308
Yet he was still doing whatever they ordered. He scared their scientists, but overall was an effective, safe asset to them. And the robot would likely be far less effective than the man was.
>>318166868
Kellogg was around when before coursers were even a thing, he's an effective and effective assassin.
>>318167308
Wasn't there a whole sequence in the dream where Kellogg talks about how loyal he is? That if someone was willing to give him what he wanted, he would do any job and stick with him? This was when he was talking to those fuccbois at the bar sequence.
He could easily blend in with society.
Have you seen coursers?
>>318166868
He was around before coursers, he is far better that performing jobs without raising suspicion and if he dies he can't be linked back to the Institute.
>>318165331
Can you talk to him? everytime i walk into the room the robots start shooting me
>>318167689
>effective and effective assassin
Never dealt with a man who is both effective and effective.
>>318167712
>he can't be linked back to the Institute
With all those implants, he kinda can.
If you paid attention to his memories, you would have noticed something was up.
NCR annexed the Hub in 2189. Kellogg was a young boy then. The game takes place almost a hundred years after the NCR was created.
The game tells you outright that Kellogg was more machine than man and that he had lived over 100 years, in case you were dumb and didn't connect the dots by then.
>>318167719
I had this problem too when I entered the fort in power armor, that seems to break a lot of the dialog during quests with potentially hostile NPCs in my time with the game.
>>318165515
There is also a gen 3 courser synth in that memory genius
>>318167957
Doesn't Kellogg straight up tell you that? How he's not the man you think he is and he is over 100 years old when you ask him how old he was.
So did anyone on the surface besides The Survivalist survive the Great War?
Or are all the humans left descendants of Vault Dwellers who emerged after the radiation dissipated?
>>318167920
Implants exist in the NCR.
>>318168029
IT JUST WORKS
>>318168029
Ah shit thats probably it, i always use power armor.
At first i thought he was lying about wanting to talk but, oh well
stupid tripfag
Is it possible to end the meetup with Kellogg without killing him? Or does every conversation lead to an eventual fight?
>>318168290
Pretty sure you're right with your statement. Probably a mix of both.
>>318168503
You always have to kill him since you need his brain implant to continue the story.
Could it have been different, yes, but this is bethesda we're dealing with.
>>318168503
I don't believe it's possible from what I recall.
>go search for my missing son with Nick
>Trace back that he had a 10y old kid in his house
>They even talk about the kid on DC radio
>Nobody not even ONCE mentions or questions the fact that we are searching for a kid that was there 50 years ago
I mean that's more of a plothole then Kellogg since you can find out why he lives so long in the institute
>>318165515
I was waiting for this double shamalama twist but it never came. made me pretty sour
>>318165515
That's the synth Shaun you idiot.
>>318168787
retard
>>318168290
There was probably plenty of people who avoided being close to the bombs.
>>318168296
What about those Institute-specific connections on them?
>>318167098
Kellog for relevant for about an hour from the time you learn his name to when you track him down and kill him.
>>318168787
>Nobody not even ONCE mentions or questions the fact that we are searching for a kid that was there 50 years ago
The friend from the Vault they are talking about is you
The old man Kellogg was talking was the real Shaun
The kid Shaun with Kellogg is the Synth you meet in the instituteIt took me a second run to realize it
>>318168787
See
>>318168883
Are people actually having trouble figuring this out?
>>318168896
go away Todd, we know your game is 5/10 at best
>>318168956
Unless you knew Kellogg had some kind of connection to the Institute, most people wouldn't connect the dots.
>>318165331
So does being a cyborg just mean you don't age at all?
Like, not even a little bit?
>>318169123
you have to keep in mind that most of /v/ are retards
>>318169257
Yes, just like being incredibly irradiated means the same thing.
>>318167502
Sounds like you need to put more points into agility and it's respective gun damage perks
But, on the other hand, he IS a boss, so it would be shitty if he wasnt as resilient
>>318169257
When you look through his memories the doctor specifically notes how the bit of brain that you got isn't rotting, and is probably being injected with something to preserve it.
So yes, you stop aging if you have implants that specifically stop the aging process.
>>318169257
how can he be a cyborg when he doesn't even have any robot parts or say booyah?
Why didn't the eagles just fly you to the Institute?
>>318169406
But I was playing as an high Int/Charismatic lone survivor. Why didn't the game give me a fucking option to talk my way out of the fight?
>>318169547
>Kellogg never hits those showers
Fucking Todd
>>318169123
>>318169104
So the real Shaun tells Kellogg to take a Synth kid with him so he can look like he kidnaped your son recently so you can try and track him down, which would be impossible if you don't have Dogmeat so you can kill Kellogg take his brainchip, hopefully discover someone who can take memories from said brainchip and hopefuly find someone who can make a teleporter to the institute?
That seems like some retardedly complicated shit father is going through just to meet up with you.
>>318169547
>he didn't loot the body
>>318169648
You actually think you can just politely ask a brutal mercenary to please not kill you?
>>318165331
nanomachines
also prepare yourself in the near future for 15 minutes of the most insufferable narrative moment in the game
>>318165331
also your companion might be a robot too. check it out.
>>318169842
Then it is shit game design that the only way for you to fight a brutal mercenary is in a fire fight forcing you to build DPS or be fucked.
>>318169648
You can't talk your way out of everything. It's charisma, not mind control
>>318169842
With high enough charisma and the intimidation perk you can point at any enemy in the game and get them to help you.
>>318169648
>>318170000
Had the option to turn around and leave when he told you to :^)
>>318170000
>forcing you to build DPS or be fucked.
No, it would just be more challenging, not impossible. I don't cry when I fail persuasion
>>318169747
Shaun was interested in how your character would react to seeing the 1 month old baby they are looking for being a 10 year old boy. Kellogg was irrelevant and was only acting as a babysitter for synth Shaun.
Virgil going AWOL threw that whole plan to shit, and left us with what takes place in the game.
>>318170016
Then give me the option to hack turrets/synths to help me if I was high INT. Why the fuck am I forced to be a gunslinger when you could play Fallout 1 and 2 perfectly without killing anyone.
>>318170078
You'd have to grind out legendaries until you got 5 pieces of charisma armor
>10 int
>nothing but enemies resisting my pacify attempts
>They turn hostile again after 10 seconds
>>318170000
If you thought Kellogg was hard I hope you never encounter a Legendary Assaultron.
>>318170137
>I don't cry when I fail persuasion
Except there is no way to persuade Kellogg?
Wouldn't it be sort of intresting if when you found kellogg's corn flakes he was on his dead bed or not in a position to fight you due to age?
You know, instead of your character sounding incredibly buttmad and him just being a one dimensional villain that you have to fight?
Wouldn't that have been sort of neat?
>>318165331
The problem is that Shaun is a kid while on the radio they are talking about Piper.
That doesnt make sense at all.
>>318168290
Many ghouls.
>>318170254
Robco Certified mod when? I want to build my own Assaultron or Sentry bot.
>>318170254
Kellogg wasn't hard. Nothing in this game in hard. Literally everything is a bullet sponge. It is deal enough damage to him before he deals enough damage to you. Every encounter boils down to a DPS check due to the lack of skills.
>>318170303
That doesn't sound like a very fun fight
>>318170328
That's the fucking synth child you find in the institute.
>>318165506
Not him, but I didn't get any dialogue. I walked in and they started to shoot me.
>>318168290
The bombs didn't kill everyone.
>>318167825
Pray you never do.
>>318167689
I really don't like that picture.
>>318170303
They pull that with Father.
>>318170548
Yeah thats what i was thinking, but if you press Shaun then All-Bran starts talking about him so fondly, and sad because they are taking him away, wouldnt he know he is a synth.
>>318170185
>Why the fuck am I forced to be a gunslinger
You're not
You could punch the guy instead
Or avoid the quest altogether
I don't see how you're "forced" to do anything here
>>318170303
B-but muh revenge!
Bethesda just wanted a bad guy that you can be mad about and then get sad when you shoot him becouse he wasn't always bad
Plus it would require the VA to not sound either constipated or retarded, what is it with the main protag anyways? Would have figured they would have given him the best VA in the game since you hear him the most.
>>318170790
>Avoid the Kellogg quest altogether
:^)
>>318170303
Then you would know the twist early. Not that it explicitly suggests a time skip anyway. Game would be better if Shaun was 10 to begin with.
>>318170790
Oh yes. Instead of being forced into a ranged DPS check, now you get to use melee DPS checks instead. Fallout 4 combat is fucking piss.
> get the Kellogs brand augs
> keep carrying them around, hoping I'll get some stat boosts when I get access to a cyber surgeon or whatever
> fucking nothing
> "we abandoned that research" in one Institute terminal
>>318170420
I want to be able to populate my settlements with robots.
I want to be like that guy in Skyrim who made a harem of female drauger and ghost girls, except instead of the undead it would be Ms Handys and Assaultrons.
>>318171040
you can't even get them to install it if you join the institute and become the director? They are even marked as QUEST ITEMS.
>>318171040
>Fallout new vegas
>you are a mailman
>army men vs the skirt swordsmen
>can become a super death cyborg
>Fallout 4
>pre war fighty man/law woman
>game is about science and robots and cyborgs and the like
>can't become a cibberyborg
>no robobrains either
What the fuck where they thinking?
>>318171197
And queen of the harem would be Supervisor White. Supervisor White >>>> Curie
>>318167308
No they aren't they malfunction all the time the more advanced synths gain freewill if not carefully monitored.
Honestly I would rather they have pulled a JC Denton with the protagonist.
Every line being delivered as deadpan as possible to not to try to put emotions in the players mouth.Though no voiced protagonist would just have been better. Every single one of the problems I have with F4 can be linked back to the voiced protagonist.
>>318171515OH MY GOD JC A NEWSPAPER!
>>318165331
>You kill Kellogg
>Loot his body
>Get all his cyborg parts
>"You were barely human"
That should give you a hint faggot.
>>318171310
You can drop them after a later quest at least
>>318171375
Obsidian remembered Fallout 2 had augs
Todd and co only read the Fallout 2 outline so you can't blame them
>>318165331
I like how he looks normal
Couldn't even give him a robo-eye or something
Excellent
Good game
>>318171672
>barely human
One little brain chip, some limb actuators, and a pain inhibitor.
>>318171817
he was supposed to be at least somewhat stealthy so at leas that makes sense
>>318171803
but why are they even marked as quest items if only the brain chip is needed for that dumb memory sequence? Why mark all of them as essential items if they don't actually lead anywhere?
>>318171040
>the brain chip
>the pain inhibitor
>the limb actuator
>only a single one of them gets used, the rest can go in the trash can
FOR WHAT PURPOSE DID THEY EXIST, THEN
>>318171375
>no robobrains either
Holy shit how am I just now realizing this.
Hell, even fucking Tactics sort of had them.
Watch as it takes some modder an afternoon to throw one together. Or worse, they did it on purpose to make DLC.
>>318165331
>He's immortal or something dont worry about it
>>318172091
It's not like they retconned them out, on the magazine in the DC School it has a picture of a man getting married to a robobrain. They're also mention in the inventory of the robot junkyard.
Honestly I'm mostly surpised that putting Curie into a robobrain wasn't an option to complete her quest.
>>318171895
The character says it so it's implied that Kellogg was more a cyborg than human. If you want to play full nerdtard and deny it, that's fine.
>>318172635
>trusting Bethesda writing
You fight the Good Fight with your Voice?
>>318172313
How would I fuck a robobrain?
>>318171895
>he didn't talk to Father OR read the terminal in the Institute about Kellogg
Its clearly stated that Kellogg had his life-span increased through augmentation mumbo-jumbo so that he could keep working as an agent of the Institute.
>>318172313
Curie didn't just want a human brain, she wanted the whole thing.
HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE
>200 years since bombs dropped
>most of the world is still a wasteland
>>318172973
So some one with a pacemaker to extend their life is barely human?
>>318173357
Bethesda's sense of scale concerning the passage of time is absolutely fucked. They treat 200 years like 20, but when you run into an old BoS paladin that's been in hiding for 3 years it's treated like it's been 30.
>>318173675
>my goodness youve grown
>>318172313
that quest was a dissapointment expecting to catch a synth or robot for a new body and all you get was lol come back tommorow enjoy new waifu
>>318173675
oh yeah, and all his brotherhood buddies that died 3 years ago? All of their bodies and gear are all PERFECTLY INTACT. One even died to a bunch of super mutants and they just left his body alone instead of stuffing it into one of their meat sacks.
>>318171601
Printed media's a bad choice for close ranged combat.
>>318172091
How would you mod robobrains in? You'd either have to replace enemy spawns or add more enemy spawns.
>>318174840
Those are both trivial things for modding.
The only difficulty to modding in Robobrains would be the animations, depending on how Bethesda handled the animation system this time. And I've been hearing some rumours it's not quite a hassle as it used to be.
>>318174840
Once the CK rolls out it's easy.
The hardest part from an asset standpoint would probably be making the voice, although I doubt anybody would notice if you stuck a protectron voice on there.
Pathing might be an issue considering they don't exactly walk, now that I think about it.
And of course, making animations is hell in Bethesdaland.
But that's still only a few days' work. And for Bethesda it would take only a fraction of that time.
>>318165331
He's basically a stealth robobrain if you really want to get down to it.
>>318171817
Why the fuck would they make it obvious he's an cyborg when they can make humanoid synths?
>>318174840
>>318175410
>>318175039
There's a chance Beth might just include them in DLC anyways, I kinda want to see how they'd change up Robobrain attacks.
>>318165331
The entire game is a plot hole.
>in cryo for 200 years
>obsessed with wife's baby
>telling literally every random stranger about MUH BABY despite zero evidence such baby would survive 200 years
From that point on the game is just some absurd nonsense world where nothing makes sense.
>>318175930
Anon, no one replied when you tried this troll two days ago. Just give it up
>>318176156
It must have been someone else who realized the same thing.
>>318170617
There's a conversation with him before the fight if you're not retarded
>>318166418
>>318166698
Nick was never a human you stupid piece of shit
There are far better plotholes to point out OP, I mean just search his body jesus. A better question would be what the hell the institute's point ever was in the first place. Or why they even used gamebryo when the game is just an open world shooter and there are tons of engines that can do that better without an entire overhaul.
OR WHY EVERYONE KNOWS EVERYTHING ALWAYS ABOUT YOUR WHEREABOUTS AND ACTIONS
OR RANDOMLY GENERATED MINES
OR THE FACT THAT THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHATSOEVER FOR THE MOM TO DIE AND KELLOGG HAS NO REASON TO JUSTIFY IT AND HIS DIALOGUE HINTS THAT HE FELT BAD ABOUT IT AND THAT IT WAS TOO BAD HE HAD TO DO IT BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE TO FUCKING DO IT
How hard is it to fucking sedate a person? Why even hint that he felt bad about it? It's like he's 2 different people. They could've just kept pushing that he was a violent maniac and he could've just mentioned how much he enjoyed it or something.
>>318165331
He was barely human
>>318177204
It's not that fucking hard to think about it, he doesn't really give a single fuck about her life and didn't mind killing her like he killed the others, but he felt bad taking a mother's life like they did to his family.
Am I the only one who feels bad about killing the poor bastard, Kellogg had a hard life
you dumb cunts, it hasnt been 60 years, that kid was a synth, and cereal killer is well over a century old, maybe even 150 years old cause he is a cyborg
>>318165331
Yes, you are. Fallout 4 has massive bugs, quest problems, glitches and other game breaking problems, but Kellog´s age ISN´T one of them.
Play the game.
>>318165331
Nanomachines ;)
but seriously, thats the explanation
>>318177414
Then why did he do it if he felt bad?
>>318178446
The same fucking reason why he killed other families before, he's being paid for it and he does exactly what they pay him to do, she's in the way and her life isn't really all that important, so get rid of her.
>>318171375
Dlc?
Big m.t. all over agian
