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Do you think Bloodborne: The Old Hunters is too hard?
Do you think that From went too far with the whole difficulty thing this time?
As someone who finished the DLC solo and killed all the bosses (excluding Laurence) within five tries I do think that Laurence is a poorly designed boss.
>>318085917
What did everyone find so hard about Laurence? Literally just strafe left. I'm not even good. Still haven't beaten Orphan
>>318087327
The fact that he has way too much hp and all his attacks have an aoe.
>>318085917
If you're on NG+ its pretty brutal.
>>318087327
>Still haven't beaten Orphan
parry to death.
>>318088692
game is hard on ng+, I am literally losing 80 percent of my health on 1 hit from a boss
>>318088692
>>318088991
What weapon were you using?
I did it on NG+ and although bosses were able to kill me in a couple of hits I was able to beat it relatively easily because I had a good weapon.
Blade of Mercy +10 with chalice gems is a destructive force.
>>318089586
a lot of us dont have good chalice gems, personally i find the dungeons way too bland and repetitive to bother
>dsp
top fucking kek
>saying Ebrietas was the be-all-end-all boss of BB
He's such an idiot.
ok. Im 124, NG+, and one shot Ludwig. I didnt see most of his attacks. Was it luck?
>>318089586
Ludwig holy blade+10 and I have decent gems but if I fuck up just once I end up loosing nearly all my health. Game is enjoyable but it's pretty fucking brutal.
I'm accidentally on NG+ when i had already beaten it when the DLC came out, I'm already getting fucked up at the first leg of the Old Hunters. Is there any weaknesses against the hunter jerkoffs at the beginning like they're weak against poison or something...
I guarantee they'll nerf everything in the DLC in patch 1.08 whenever they release it. Souls games are always harder at release and are nerfed later.
>>318090253
They're weak against parries.
>mfw playing on NG+++
>>318090253
They are regular dudes who can be parried with relative east, especially the ones with beast cutters, who are the majority. You're in DLC that was added more than half a year after the initial release and still can't fucking use basic game mechanics. Git decent.
>game BTFO's casuals
>tons of content
>godlike music
>looks amazing
>dlc done right
>dat gameplay
>dem bosses
>singleplayer focused
>drives DSP to suicide
>makes pcunts mad as fuck
how is this not the best game of all time?
Getting my shit kicked in by Ludwig, first form. Does anyone have any tips? Using Hunter Axe.
>>318090318
>>318090603
you two pretentious faggots should get a room and fuck each others asses all night - I was asking for advice not criticism
>>318090831
git gud
>>318090831
use a faster weapon, and dodge FORWARD Left or Right.
>>318090891
How was that criticism? They can be easily parried and killed in one go, you fucking idiot.
>>318090891
Lol, whiny bitch, no wonder you can't get shit done, you fucking failure.
Wtf he is fucking terrible. Ludwig took me like 10 tries. Nothing special
For Christ sake even Max beat the DLC on NG++
>>318090703
I want those grapes god dammit
ng++ Ludwig...
I don't even want to image what's waiting after that. Just finished ~30 tries and got to the second phase like 6 times and usually instantly died. He's cool though.
can someone please explain to me why when i parry my piece of shit character regular attacks instead of parry attack
is it just a broken gameplay system because it seems to do whatever the fuck it wants at random
>>318090212
Try to be more aggressive and always stick to the boss.
bimp
>>318092815
Are you buy any chance using a dual wielded weapon?
You can't do visceral attack with those just press L1 to hold it with one hand when you parry.
You are all so bad at this game. I finished NG+7 and can kill every DLC boss without getting hit once. Git gud.
>Aah, you were at my side, all along
>My true mentor...
>My guiding moonlight...
>>318093582
nope parry the enemy they go into the stun animation I proceed to press forward and R1 and it either does the parry attack or just a normal attack fucking it up
>>318092815
It's either range, the stunned phase ending but the enemy is still slouched or you dash in and press R1 too early and perform a dashing attack instead of a normal attack.
>>318093660
>completing a 8 months old game 6 times
Why?
>orphan of kosm
>374 tries
>still can't beat him
>>318093660
Post proof. You literally have no excuse because share button.
>>318085917
i thought u guys wanted difficulty? From cant win 4 losing.
>too hard
No
>fucking mental
Yes. It's fun, though.
>>318093660
Dear Mom and Dad, things have been very well for me, I've been eating healthy, getting good grades in school, and today I told a lie on the internet.
>>318094183
What weapon are you using?
>everyone using that fucking two-handed sword
I platinumed BB with just the saw cleaver.
>>318095882
>that fucking two-handed sword
You mean Ludwig "Meme" Sword?
>Whirligig Saw
perfect
>>318094726
KOS YOU SHIT BRICK.
>>318090076
I feel sorry for him, I felt that broken when I first fought Artorias.
>>318096403
or some say kosm
>>318090831
>Getting my shit kicked in by Ludwig, first form. Does anyone have any tips? Using Hunter Axe.
put rally potential gems and spin to win
Ludwig is kicking my ass. I think I got to the second phase like once but died instantly. I feel like I'm doing everything right. Staying behind him but far enough to his right so he can't stallion kick me. He just has a few moves that fuck me up. The one where he jumps on the ceiling and drips blood. I'm too scared to stop and look up, I just roll for my life but usually get one shot when he comes down. And the stupid buckin' bronco horseshit he does.
>>318096313
Meme it is alright. That weapon sucks imo- game is about hitting fast and getting away
>>318096327
>Pellets + Holding L2
Literally killed Ludwig in about 15 seconds
Borderline broken weapon for some bosses
>This Maria fight
Fucking fantastic
>>318096817
When he jumps to the ceiling just run in one direction. Hasn't hit me once with this.
>tfw just got Rakuyo
Time for a Lady Maria cosplay
>Orphan of Kos
Fuck my life.
Ludwig first try ng+
get good guys
>bought at gamejew because /v/ shills it so hard
>go home and play it for 2 hours
>thank goodness i bought it used
>couldn't get passed even the second lantern
>people find this "fun"
This is not a game I want to play after coming home from work. /v/ confirmed for 16 year olds
>return game
>not even a question asked
>bought something simple because im an idiot
>>318097462
it was literally gameplay sex
wasn't a particularly hard boss fight but my god it was sex
I wish From would make a whole game that plays like saw cleaver vs maria, hhhhhhng
and that fucking music man
its my new favourite all time souls game fight, even puts gascoigne to shame
>>318085917
>SHE'S NOT WITH ME SHE NEVER SHOWED UP
That's what you get for not atleast killing that old crone bitch.
>>318098481
Me too. I thought he was easy but maybe it was luck.
Laurence on the other hand....
Kinda pissed they shilled STR weapons hard for the DLC, granted skill weapons dominated in the vanilla version but still I finally got the bloodletter only to find out it's 14 str to wield. Still amazing
People struggling with Laurence you need to change up how you play the second phase. Phase 1 is all unlocked behind him. Phase 2 is locked on dodge all of his attacks and get a hit in and back off. You cannot stay near him you need to watch for openings and you will have him down.
>>318099159
>Maria vs Gehrman
who would win? Keep in mind that we're talking about a fight between them in their Nightmare host, fully powered-up forms
>>318099043
Cool blog! Will subscribe, translate, print and circulate!
Upvote! XD
Damn, I better play this shit before it gets nerfed.
Harder then normal but you can summon help for almost every fight
>>318099596
gehrman 2bh family
>>318099596
Gherman was Maria's master, so he would likely win.
>>318087327
>>318088810
>>318085917
I did all bosses NG+. About level 140ish (I have one character only, I'm not a twink).
I don't know if my strats are shit or cheesy af, all solo but first half of Ludwig (I bought a NPC). I've also been using Blood Beast Pellet and 2h Kirk.
Laurence was easy as fuck. Two shot. I didn't lock on and just rolled into his legs. Like the first fucking boss of the game. The second phase I saw once and never got touched by waiting for fire breath to charge an R2 at his side or the end of him crawling towards you with a jump attack.
The Celestials I two shot. I died to the meteor shower with a single hit left. Besides that I was three shotting them with Beast Blood up.
Maria, I two shot. I get her to one hit away then tried to kill with a parry/riposte. In the end she killed me with her charge that does the parry effect on me then hugged me. She wasn't easy both times I was at 0 Vials.
Ludwig I really struggled. Like 15 tries solo. Without dropping him to 50%. It took me 3 tries summoning a NPC and he died just before the second phase. In the second phase I don't think he touched me once. I loved the game design of his easier to dodge to side being his right side where his "humanoid hand" sticks out. Much easier second phase for me.
Orphan was pretty difficult for me. I think I 5-6 shot. I couldn't use Blood Beast Pellet after first one ran out (in the first phase) because he was too aggressive.
I liked all bosses. Some of Orphans jumping bullshit phase 2 was a bit hard to judge. Maria was perfectly fine. Laurence was Demon Firesage, with a bit more put into it both lore and gameplay. Ludwig was unpredictable, and there didn't feel consistent safe spots nearby him after certain attacks. The Celestial Goyims was the worst of all 5 bosses, but whatever. I think they should of made them optional for the DLC by putting in the same garden the Celestial Emissary's fight in the main game.
>>318090831
I found dodging into him and really getting under the bastard helped against both 1st and 2nd form.
Anyone wanna help me on orphan?please
>>318092421
I did the same thing. The only comparable boss to Ludwig is the last one, so get ready to get your ass blasted.
>>318099974
Did you not get staggered by dodging into him (1st phase)?
I would get staggered then just hit.
I found myself when 1v1 first phase was playing keeping my distance and after a combo doing as many hits allowed after staggering him.
>>318099725
>>318099774
Gehrman doesn't have blood tornadoes and ignited blood
>student surpasses the master
>>318094183
Dont press forward. Parry attacks are a neutral R1
>>318100285
Gherman's tornadoes are much more dangerous than Maria's. I actually still don't know how to avoid Gherman's tornado attack.
>>318094726
>my brother is getting mad as fuck at orphan
>get on to help him
>tell him to just hide because any time orphan looks at him he dies
>3 hours later still haven't killed him
I wish he could learn to fucking dodge
>>318100405
get directly under him. directly.
I beat Orphan on my second try. If you dodge one time must of his follow ups don't even hit you.
Laurence is pushing my shit now.
>>318099043
>bought something simple because im an idiot
Sounds about right.
>>318100187
Nah not really, as long as he doesn't do his tantrum move and your dodges are on point you should be alright. If you find it easier to keep your distance then thats fine, whatever floats ur boat m8.
>>318085917
I JUST FUCKING DIED TO THE GODDAMN LIVING FAILURES FOR THE 12TH FUCKING TIME
I HAD HIM WITH A CENTIMETER OF HEALTH LEFT UNTIL THE DAMN METOER AOES HIT
i was fighting them for a good 10 minutes
all wasted
>>318090538
Peeve is playing NG+7 at meta level and he has beaten Ludwig, don't give up dude!
What's the best new DLC weapon?
I'm playing a new file so I haven't really had the chance to check out the DLC area yet
just doing a quality build at the moment so I can at least try out everything
>>318101889
Hide behind the big stalk in the middle when the meteors come.
>>318102060
Whirligig Saw.
>>318102060
whirligig saw
>>318088692
I havent gotten it yet but i have a feeling it will suck for me unless i just start a new character.
>currently on ng++++
>>318102060
Pure DPS Pizza Cutter
Pure Fun: KIn mode
>>318099902
You were overleveled as fuck.
You're supposed to be BL110 for NG+, you should be at NG++ for BL135
NG is 65+ for anyone curious.
I started at 59, with a +6 cane. I had difficulty with Ludwig, but powered through it. I think most of my issues came from not playing the game for 3 months. Took 12 tries with Ludwig.
2 with the failures.
3 with Maria.
5 with Orphan.
8 with Laurence (fucking terrible boss, fyi)
>>318102138
I did
sometimes when they hit the tree the damage will clip through and hit you
I just beat them on try #13 I have 1 blood vial left
I CAN FINALLY PLAY THE REST OF THE GAME
>>318099902
>Maria's precise-as-fuck riposte animation
why can't super-high SKL characters share it?
>>318102060
whirligig saw is a meme weapon. Bowblade is actually the best
DLC included what is the top three Skill weapons?
Top three Arcane?
I'm using a skill/arcane build so i'm curious
>>318085917
Is there a way to get the lazer beam aliens to come 1 by 1 from the sunflowers from the balcony?
>>318104741
Cane, Simon's Bow Blade and Rakuyo.
Kos Parasite, Holy Moonlight Sword and Tonitrus.
Can someone give me a good skill build
All I do in ds and bb and go str I'd like to try something different
I wanna try something that revolves around the chikage
>>318104925
No. Best way to get em is to smack em and run.
>>318104940
The Chikage is Bloodtinge/Skill, with Bloodtinge being far more important to you.
>>318105004
I'm not kidding, their lazer beams are doing more than boss damage
maybe about Ludwig damage and there are so many doing it at once
>>318104940
>Can someone give me a good skill build
>I wanna try something that revolves around the chikage
Chikage is a bloodtinge weapon ya dingus
Nice 20 fps meme game. How can anyone ragequit a game where you can just tank through bosshits because of lifesteal is beyond me. Oh nevermind, it's DSP.
>>318105109
Change your armour and runes then, you pillock.
>>318105078
>>318105167
I see a Katana I assume skill
Souls hasn't taught me otherwise
>>318105296
damn, that's very detrimental for a little part like that
>>318105241
Pkek detected
>>318105241
>Tanking anything from The Old Hunters.
>>318105339
If you can't dodge, you're going to have to do that.
I can't offer any other suggestions other than try not to be so shit at the game.
>>318105494
dude, I've beaten the Moon Presence and made it this far in the DLC
I'm not the best by PvP standards but I'm not shit
>>318105702
>I've beaten the Moon Presence
The moon presence is an absolute joke of a boss. I have actually NEVER died against it.
I never had any issues with the laser lmaos either. I think you need to be using a quicker weapon if you're dying so much.
>>318088529
>has way too much hp
Stop using blunt weapons you retard.
>>318105918
>I've beaten the Moon Presence
that was so you know that I beat the game and I'm in NG+
>>318085917
Has Blood Stone Chunks farming been fixed?
>>318094726
Here's a tip doge to the right for the first stage.
For the second stage you can't be a bitch and back up all the time that triggers his range move set and dooms you to a special kind of hell.
Bought bloodborne today. Should I buy the dlc as well before starting my playthrough?
>>318106842
no, because you might not like it
wouldn't want to buy another thing
My problem is Ludwig. He has a lot of HP.
Can I have some tips for the second phase?
I'm pure Skill build with Blade of Mercy. Level 50~
>>318106915
just summon Valtr, farm blood echoes until you have more health or attack power
>>318106981
A good place to farm Blood Chunks outside of boring Chalice Dungeons?
>too hard
HELL NO.
We need more balls to the wall shit like Orphan if anything they need to nerf the amount of damage Lady Maria can take from viscerals.
>>318107065
I went to the Nightmare Church lamp
summoned Henriek, had him help me kill all the hunters and leeches and repeated that over and over and over
Just got GOTY 2 days ago and it's okay so far. Beat 2 bosses, the one on the bridge and the father guy that transformed into a werewolf. I've heard that this game has limited weapons option and no kidding, I'm still on the starting weapon and bought kirkhammer at the shop. Should I upgrade them now? I keep holding it back because I was hoping to find better weapons with better scaling but have yet to find anything.
>>318085917
/v/ is full of casuals, what's new?
>>318096550
Kosm you shit bricks?
>>318099510
Shut up skill fag you got Rakuyo.
>>318088692
absolutely this, my main is on NG+++ I think, and even the normal old hunter dudes especially the hammer fags wreck my asshole hard, I have another character that is in NG+ that I didn't even remember and it's a lot easier but still hard...
At least it's impossible to run out of healing items thanks to the poor dude banging the metal gates before the boss lol
>>318107891
if I ever warp anywhere it's nightmare church for those blood vials
>>318090123
First play-through. Ebrietas died on my first attempt. Threaded Cane, whip. Bolt paper.
This guy is just fucking around. He stayed in the corner for his first death. How did he not see that shit coming?
>>318090123
Ebrietas was definitely the hardest for me and many people I know.
I finally managed to kill Orphan of Kos. Beast Blood + Whirligig Saw I love you.
>>318106915
Hes just very resistant to blunt and arcane.
>>318090123
>Rom
34 tries and I finally beat her
I want to get back into bloodborne, haven't played it since release and never beat it but I like co-oping with someone halp
>>318090123
Ebrietas was definitely the most well hidden and difficult boss the first time around. I didn't even know she existed in my first playthrough.
>>318102526
where do people pull these numbers from
>>318107424
Go to the wiki if you want to aim for something specific.
To BB players: since The Moonlight Greatsword is in almost all From Soft fantasy games ever since the Kings Field ones. I heard that e version of Greatsword of Artorias is also in old Kings Field games and is the opposite of The Moonlight Greatsword.
My question is: which is the weapon that is the Greatsword of Artorias in Bloodborne? Not gameplay or power wise but aesthetically wise.
>>318105328
Chikage scales off skill when non-transformed, bloodtinge when transformed.
>>318108396
I really don't feel like there is one
>>318107215
what is this nightmare church, is it in the normal playthrough or the DLC, i can't remember it
>>318090140
>one shot
Yeah, right. You deal several hundred thousands of damage.
>>318108396
>>318108505
closest may be just the non-trick moonlight greatsword, but it doesn't really look like anything special
How come DSP never transformed the weapon or used anything other then R1?
>>318108542
No, it's a retarded phrase referring to him killing the boss on his first attempt.
He's retarded, but not a liar. Probably.
>>318108529
DLC it's the 2nd lamp before Ludwig
but I was referring to Blood echoes earlier not chunks
The DLC is too hard. It's hard in a really boring and shitty way, rather than an interesting way.
Ludwig is easily the best fight of the DLC because not only is it hard but it's fuckin' amazing once he shifts into TIME TO DIE phase. Maria is fun but she's just a parry bait boss. Failures is literally a filler boss and Laurence is just stupid as fuck especially in his second phase.
Orphan had the potential to be the best boss but he has some really badly designed attacks in his arsenal that take the fight from interesting to obnoxious. Namely, his projectiles in his second phase.
>>318085917
I'm on NG+ and let me tell you, it's fucking brutal.
>>318108875
git
gud
>>318102060
>dat forward dash
Cumming.
>>318108876
just imagine NG++ or NG+++
think about your 50 cap trying to beat enemies from that
>>318108989
is it better than saw blade
>>318085917
Naw, shits fine. Abhorrent beast is a harder boss than almost all of the bosses in the DLC. That fucker is literally hit and run until dead.
>>318109272
Abhorrent Beast is literally the easiest of all the chalice bosses. He has extremely lenient hitboxes on all of his attacks and you can just circle dodge him all day.
>>318108396
Ludwig's Holy Blade, probably. Similar story to Artorias. Holy Knight gets corrupted.
>>318109351
Sounds just like the DLC bosses, except all the DLC bosses I was able to hit more than once before waiting to bait out another attack. Maria, Failures, Ludwig, you could actually go aggressive against. Abhorrent you cannot.
>>318108505
>>318108592
So these are the two swords in question The DarkSlayer is the Proto Sword of Artorias. You can kind of make out the skeletal structure for the design concept that is The Greatsword of Artorias with how it's long but not narrowing or widening and it has that big part at the finger guard and those protrusions at the finger guard. So no swords like that in BB? Maybe Ludwig's Holy Blade? But that would be a stretch.
>>318088692
This, ive been stuck on ludwig, he keeps 1 hit ko'ing me with his jump
>>318094180
>moonlight greatsword
>my true mentor
Was Ludwig trained by Seath the Scaleless?
>>318102060
Anyone else like the Amygdalan arm?
Base weapon is a club that can knock down enemies.
Trick mode is basically a zergling arm that can attack multiple times with a charge attack.
>>318085917
The only "it's too hard" I would accept is that it is available to access very early in the game. Ludwig would be hell with a +2 weapon and 15 vit. Anyone that's 70-90 would have a challenge, anyone above 100 with better weapons shouldn't be pushed to the point of ragequitting.
i really hope that Dark Souls 3 has some really cool and interesting, new weapons and areas.
I just want everyone to know my hopes since the trailer they came out with looked bland as fuck like a recycle / rehash of BB
>>318109404
Yes but I feel it doesn't really capture the visual design. From Soft always put the Moonlight sword looking nearly identical. Why can't the do the same with the DarkSlayer? Us Greatsword of Artorias fans get left out. They even put the sword on the King's Field game names. It sucks to be a DarkSlayer fan when the Moonlight sword in the favorite son in the family.
>>318102060
Bowblade is fucking killer. Church pick also most underrated weapon imo
>>318102559
If you had trouble with Living Failures, you'll have a lot of fun with the literal next room you find.
>>318089928
>ive never gotten past the first one.
> please rape my face
BB needs a boss rush fog gate to fog gate with all the bosses.
>>318085917
Ludwig scales in strength and skill
if strength is capped at 50 and I put more points in skill, in theory will Ludwig Holy Blade do more damage or the same?
Just finished the dlc, the part i died the most was at the well trying to get rukyo, fuck those two frog/shark enemies
>>318111069
>rukyo
what is that?
>>318111152
I think he means the Maria trick weapon you get after killing the two frogs beneath the well. Rakuyo I believe is its name.
>>318111152
google the Rakuyo, it's the weapon Maria uses, it's like one of the twinblades from DS2 i think
>>318110695
I would love this
>>318110906
>>318111069
Thats the one
>>318085917
ng or ng+? You don't appreciate the design of the fights unless you have to care about each of their moves chunking over half your health.
How was Laurence poorly designed? They deliberately banked on players thinking it was just regular cleric beast with a reskin, but then they add a new phase and new 'flopping' moves to throw you off.
Everything is telegraphed on the boss too, so it isn't unfair.
If they had added an area of effect aura, then I would kind of agree with you. It's kind of a lazy way to prevent nut hugging.
>>318108629
One shot actually stands for killing something in one hit, not in one try.
>>318111407
Huh?
>niggas complaining when they aint even NG++
>>318111270
>google the Rakuyo,
honestly I did, I even put bloodborne next it
all I see is pages of this anime I've never heard of
>>318111560
![holy_moonlight_sword[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DD54gtW.jpg "holy_moonlight_sword[1].jpg")
>>318109561
Holy Moonlight Sword resembles that somewhat when in base form, at least the Dark Souls version of Artorias' sword
It also bears resemblance to the story of Artorias. Ludwig was a valliant cleric, but eventually lost his faith and became corrupted, his sword becoming just a piece of metal. But, eventually he regains his mind and faith, and his sword becomes invigorated by the holy moonlight once again.
not hard, but ludwig and laurence have too much HP. They become a drag
>>318111667
Here
http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Rakuyo?responseToken=dc223f923c588c28b5a6a56fdea3cdff
>>318107424
Honestly you can take any weapon and bump them up to +6. Shards and twin blood shards are relatively easy to get. Only waste chunks on those weapons you're damn sure you want. Also wasting shards on any of the side arms other than the cannons and the fist is pointless. You won't be able to upgrade them to any point theyll do reasonable damage, just for parrying
>>318111965
Laurence isn't so bad. His hitboxes are far easier to understand than Ludwig's.>>318111965
>>318085917
>that moment when he goes quiet around 5:30
cant say I didnt do the same but he quits anytime something gets hard
>THAT room in the research lab
Jesus Christ, how horrifying.
>>318112328
I know he's not bad but him and ludwig are a huge pain in the ass to fight, not because of difficulty but because they have so much Hp you will eventually make mistakes
it doesn't help that their attacks do an obsene amount of damage for no reason
>btw I cant use this Big sword anymore so I have to use this small sword
>and I dont find that fun
DSP, Go home and be a family man
>>318113991
I keep fucking up right at the end, but getting Laurence down to low health doesn't take that long (lv67 with +10 whirligig saw).
It's just at the end where I keep choking.
>>318113986
which one?
>>318114431
fighting laurence and ludwig doesn't even feel like a boss fight, it feels like fighting again a couple giant hitboxes with a collective hp within the millions
I hope a patch reduces their HP amounts, because otherwise those battles are fucking fantastic
if a boss has multiple forms, it shouldn't have a fuck ton of HP. This is why Maria is such a good fight whereas laurence and ludwig aren't. It's not fun having to do 1/2 hit run and poke for over 8 minutes, versus the crazy shit you can do with maria
>>318114625
anyone that has a flood of those fuckers
Research Lab is a nightmare with how many enemies they throw at one time
>>318114625
The bag heads all writing asking to be killed
ludwig is fucking stupid. i cant even get him to the 2nd phase alone
i get so close but once he starts comboing you you're fucked
i try to dodge past him and then get stomped. when you need to heal its almost impossible to get away in time since his range is so misleadingly big ugghhhhh
hes the ONLY bloodborne boss i had to use help to beat. i'm on NG+ btw so idk if that matters, maybe hes easy on NG
>>318085917
>DSP
that's not really setting a good standard on difficultly since you have an absolute moron playing the game.
fucking hell, SLOWBEEF would be a better judge of difficulty
>>318114431
>get Laurence down to his second form
>bait the right hand swipe
>dodge behind him to attack
>his mullet has fucking collision
>my attack misses because I can't get close enough
>>318114869
took me at least 6 tries wtih NG++, just keep at it
>>318113991
I wouldn't mind the damage they did if they had less HP. As it is now it's just dodging and tanking or flawless execution which is boring.
Ludwig's aggressive moveset and damage would be perfect if he had less health because then it'd be an incentive to be aggressive like they wanted us to be in BB. With his health now it's like that but an endurance test at the same time.
Laurence just does heaps of damage. Mayb it's me, but I didn't find his HP a problem, just the AoEs on every hit.
>>318114809
yes that one was freaky
"please, please kill me"
I cleared all the content this DLC had to offer on NG++ and I was satisfied with it. The difficulty curve wasn't much different from the main game, and only orphan and the well fishes gave me any real trouble. I'm in love with Rakuyo and the Whirligig.
Anyone need help with laurence?
>>318114869
Dodge to your left, into the little space between his legs and upraised arm. When you need to heal sacrifice a hit and use a blood vial instead. Don't try to run away to heal, always heal when he's open because he cannot attack you in that second or so window. Basically, heal in the moment when you would normally attack.
>>318115048
Laurence's AOEs aren't an issue if you glue yourself to his asshole. Being that close will also bait his easy to dodge attacks, and it's quite easy from that distance to get a combo of broken limbs going at certain points.
>>318096528
>Getting my shit pushed in by Arty in NG+++
>Just not doing enough damage sing gold tracer, can't break his buff
>Using the painting guardian's armor and get 2 shotted
>Use smough's, get 2 shot anyway
>Fuck this
>Grab black night halberd, drop all armor
>Power Within
>Seen his moves enough I'm dodging everything, fucking cripple can't touch me, getting that counter damage
>Break his buff every time and take him down
Poeple say git gud is a meme but it is also sound advice.
I don't have time to play this right now so I haven't bought it.
Do I need to buy this, download it and disconnect my PS4 from the internet until I finish it? I don't wanna play a shitty nerfed version. What are the chances they nerf it?
>>318085917
Maybe if you are on NG+
The bosses arent that hard on regular NG
I only ever lost to Orphan, and he kicked my ass like 5 times.
>>318114869
>ludwig is fucking stupid. i cant even get him to the 2nd phase alone
I got him to his second phase on my very first try, no bullshit, bl ~65. to overcome him finally took a lot more though.
you're weak sauce anon. summoning ain't a real victory sorry.
Orphan of Kos was not designed as a boss but as an anal devastation simulator. His second form simply does not have openings that can be reliably or safely exploited. You have to get lucky and/or trade, while not falling prey to his near-instant kill attack sequences.
Bloodborne as a whole is, well, not poorly designed? But worse-designed than previous Souls games.
FROM added in the Rally mechanic and the fact that your souls can be picked up by a weak-ass enemy and carried away from the fuckbeast that killed you, which makes the game a bit nicer to the player than previous entries. They then immediately used those features as an excuse to have a lot of cheap bullshit in this game that would never fly in previous Souls games. Enemies right around corners with no telegraph at all, attacks that are nigh-on undodgeable due to how quickly they come out (almost no tell) and how much ground they cover, etc.
>>318117051
Ludwig's second phase is miles easier than his first
He fight like any regular dude with a sword, his first phase is more unpredictable but in the second phase everything is telegraphed a mile away
Why must Ludwig's sword clip with everything?
>>318117257
>would never fly in previous Souls games
>Enemies right around corners with no telegraph at all, attacks that are nigh-on undodgeable due to how quickly they come out (almost no tell) and how much ground they cover, etc.
Stop pretending you played a souls game before BB.
I played Bloodborne a few months back after thoroughly enjoying the Souls games (DeS > DkS > DkS2), and beat the first two bosses (can't remember the names), and just got so bored. Didn't care for the open world structure, lack of build options, lack of magic, and lack of shields and armor. I just got bored out of it and have pretty much forgot about it.
However, now when I see this Old Hunters DLC, I feel like I might be able to enjoy it if I go into it with a different mindset.
Does it get better, should I bother trying to get back into it or just move on?
>>318117549
Anywhere we can go for more updates?
>>318117296
I always play so damn well on my very first fight with a new boss, many times winning on the very first round. I play cautiously and read the moves, learn them fast. When I die I tend to get frustrated and the second try is rarely ever as good as the first. The more I lose I tend to get more and more reckless and my gameplay quality goes down.
Nobody ever believes me but I beat Capra Demon on my very first try and I've never ever had a problem with that fruitcake.
>>318117549
>lack of magic, and lack of shields and armor.
>Why can't I play easymode anymore waaaaah
Get absolutely rekt kid
>>318117549
just fuck off dude nobody cares about you
>>318114935
DSBeef is probably the only time I've ever really enjoyed a blind playthrough of DaS and Bloodborne. He's just bad and unlucky enough to where it's funny, but not so terrible he can't make it through eventually.
having Beetus bumps the pun factor up too
>>318117549
Meant to say DeS > DkS2 > DkS. Still want to try SotFS though, missed out on it for Black Friday though.
I didn't really enjoy DkS that much (still beat it, 100%ed it, and had fun, but not nearly as good as DeS), so maybe that has something to do with me not enjoying Bloodborne
>>318117549
Well you're obviously a faggot
>>318117618
I've always said to people these games aren't hard, they are punishing. There is a huge difference, the games reward patience and observation, which so many people tend to not do.
The "so hard" shit is just what the media uses to sell the game
I know people who say that a boss is too hard when they don't even conserve their stamina and cant doge a big hit.
>>318108140
Does beasthood go down if you get hit?
>>318117481
Not the one who posted that, but every entry in the Souls series is fucking baby food compared to BB. The average boss in BB has at least one instant kill attack or instant kill combo, with far-reaching attacks that sweep in 180 to 360 degree arcs. They have health pools an order of magnitude bigger. They're not even close by comparison.
>>318117708
>I didn't really enjoy DkS that much (still beat it, 100%ed it, and had fun, but not nearly as good as DeS), so maybe that has something to do with me not enjoying Bloodborne
BB is much closer to DeS than DaS you fruitcake.
>>318117481
Stop being an autistic shitposting faggot.
I haven't played Dark 2 yet, so I can't comment on that one, but Demon's and Dark 1 always, at the very least, had audio telegraphs for enemies. They almost never had enemies in stupid spots in the first place, but even when they did, there were ways to tell if you paid attention. Blood pulls that shit at least twice in the first area alone, not even breathing or any audible telegraph at all. Technically it can pull it more depending on your luck with spawns/roams in the upper chain room in the sewers.
As for attacks being cheap; you could maybe argue Gwyn -- but even then, the preferred way of beating him was to parry him. Blood has a whole lot of shit that will trade you 9 times out of time if you try to parry it -- and I don't mean missed parries, I mean successful parries that hit you anyway. That kind of crap did not happen in prior entries.
>>318108209
Were you in NG++ at least?
>>318117914
>They almost never had enemies in stupid spots in the first place
I'm in tears
>>318100285
>>318100405
Gehrman has instant visceral bullets. Maria wouldn't stand a chance.
Is Orphan of Kos weak to anything? Is he weak to bolt or fire?
>>318108989
This is what became of the burial cleaver?
>>318117816
>the games reward patience and observation, which so many people tend to not do.
yeah but you can still get caught in an unfair OHK from a boss on your first playthrough that you have to learn to avoid... or combo of attacks that are the equivalent of an OHK. there's undeniably a huge element of luck when somebody beats a boss like ludwig on his first try.
>>318117670
Nowhere in my post did I state or implicitly imply it has anything to do with difficulty. Souls games are not even that difficult of games.
Why are Soulsfags so obnoxious and insufferable? I find it is mostly PC fats that started with DkS as well that tends to be these immature "git gud! xDD" morons
>>318118034
I tried fire/bolt paper, practically no difference in damage at all.
>>318118120
Your babbymode magic and shields were removed and now BB is too hard for you. We get it.
>>318118034
He's weak to being out-skilled.
how the fuck do you kill the whale enemies, seriously
>Getting summoned for Lady Maria and having the fight become a gangbang
Seriously though summons are not a real victory
>>318117848
No. But beasthood lowers your defence, so you should avoid being hit anyway.
>>318118193
The game wasn't difficult at all. It just had less gameplay variety and builds. It just simply wasn't fun. This was nothing compelling or interesting about it.
I wish they would go back to the world design of DeS. Great level design, but still more focused and linear for a tighter experience. The open world just doesn't work with the Souls games.
>>318100405
Same, holy shit. I dodged it once by luck, the net time I saw it coming I tried to run, and the ground stars kicking up behind me. Fucker took metwenty tries.In my defense, I had no gems on my weapon.
>>318118365
Of course not sempai, I'll do you proud. Bloodborne plays like a dex build anyway, getting hit was never part of the plan.
>>318118354
parry nigga
they're trickier because of the delay in their attack. you think they're at the cusp of their swing and you shoot but then they actually swing a moment later and you miss the parry
just another case of learning the timings. by the end of my playthrough I was parrying those fuckers ez pz. of course you gotta git gud and be able to dodge appropriately too if need be.
>>318085917
I think the content is perfectly "hard" on all the main bosses. Orphan while I could see how hard he is, he didn't frustrate me once. Almost beat him on my third try and then beat him on my 8th or 9th (only had two good runs at him). He was really intense though knowing he could kill me at any mistake of mine. And that was incredibly fun.
However "mistake of mine" was taken off the cards with Laurence. You didn't have to make a mistake considering his tracking was like a homing missile. You could be playing perfect with him and all of the sudden the game would decide it's had enough and make him turn into an owl and kill you. To a lesser degree Ludwig.
I think From has absolutely nailed humanoid bosses. However this dlc farther shows how much farther they need to go with agile beast bosses. Even from the main game you have things like Paarl being retardedly hard to hit and the camera playing havoc with things like Bloodletting and others. Trying to lock on Laurence and spin around him more often than not had me having zero idea what was going on or where I was. Which was a large reason besides the tracking of how terrible he is to fight. Not to mention lava legs.
And for such an important mechanic in the base game "beast hood" they certainly made getting it as hard as they could have made it... artificially. He was a terrible boss in an otherwise great dlc. The worst part is he was reskinned too.
This fight is the best thing ever
https://youtu.be/RH0yRg041Kc
>>318118354
>run away
>shaman bone blade to get them to kill eachother
>parry
>>318117549
How can you complain about something like "lack of build options" when you only beat two bosses?
I don't disagree with the idea there was a lack of build variety and there weren't very many weapons, but that's something that becomes apparent after you go through the entire game and realize you've been using the same weapon the whole time, start a new game, find that the only other kind of build that feels different is a bloodtinge build, which was hit when the cannon was nerfed. It's not something you find out by doing the Cleric beast and Gascoigne. Your opinions sound like they were lifted from other people who have played through all the way.
What is the point of throwing in the "I beat the first two bosses and quit" part of your post? It makes you sound like a cunt.
>>318118193
The base game of bloodborne is laughably easier than DeS or DaS. Its also harder to fuck up things like weapon upgrades.
>>318092421
IM AT NG+++ it is normal once u got ludwig's moves memorize man dont worry
I get Laurence down to 5% hp and I'm happy and shit then my ass gets rekt and I have to do it all over agian I think I'm on my 9th try
>>318118571
how do you deal with the charge attacks? the tracking on them is hideous, especially with their hitboxes
>>318085917
BB has always been fucking hard and ridiculous and its nice to have games that are like that. The only people I see still playing are the people who are fucking masters, personally I ain't got the patience even though I loved the game
>>318118640
i agree. it was too damn awesome.
>>318119149
you mean that thing where they run at you and then slide on the floor? its parryable. there's a certain moment you shoot them while they're sliding on the floor just before the final stage of the attack and you'll get 'em
>>318118630
To add to this I didn't even know you could parry Orphan or Maria. I just dodged around them and had a blast doing it.
But that shows From was thinking of ways out for hard bosses or at least a way. Every boss in the series has something that you can exploit or realize that it's really not that hard... except Laurence. There's really no reason he should be that hard. It's like the game is doing its best to read your movements on a boss that shouldn't be that fast or be able to pretend it's a beyblade.
>watching someone fight a boss
>they play keep away for 50% of the fight
>they're fucking terrified of getting close
I will never understand how these people can actually beat the bosses. How are you to fight it if you never get close enough?
