PS4 is currently going for $299.99 with the Uncharted Collection. Please convince me not to buy it, am extremely tempted to do so.
Do you have a gaming PC, PS3, 3DS, Vita and Wii U yet?
>>318073045
Come December there will be a better PS4 bundle that has Bloodbourne and MGSV
>>318073045
Get a ps3 and get those Uncharted games cheap
There you go, I just saved you a shitload of cash
It's your own god damn money, do whatever the fuck you want with it.
>>318073045
Does this match the Feng shui of your room?
>>318073045
You would get to pay to play online.
PSN is down too often, even today it went down.
The DS4 is made of shit, it will broke pretty soon.
Many PS4 "exclusives" are slowly being released on PC.
>>318073045
Just wait for a bundle that isn't full of remasters that you could pick up for pocket change on their original system.
>>318073104
I have a ps3, 3ds and wii.
>>318073407
get a PC or Vita then
Way more worthwhile content on either. Most of the shit that's on PS4 is either on PS3, Vita or PC. You'll be saving a lot of money.
No games
Paid online
Awful controller
>>318073045
it will be $250 on monday
wurth it :)
You won't regret buying it. You'll get one sooner or later.
>>318073045
Why would you buy a PS4 with a bunch if PS3 games? Stop being retarded. At the very least you could try and find one with Bloodborne, considering its the only worthwhile game the system has.
>>318073045
should have got it when it was $220 & then have no hesitation
why would any dumb fuck buy a ps4 before a PC?
>>318073045
>Please convince me not to buy it
you wanna be on the winning side of this gen?
no?
then don't
>>318073045
Would ya, REALLY, though, OP?
P.S. I'm outside your window :^)
>>318073247
>>318073631
It's funny how true both these are.
>>318073531
This
Unless you know how to import stuff you're choices are limited with a PS4
Thanks everyone! I have been desuaded.
Hope everyone has a great Black Friday!
>>318073157
>>318073192
>>318073247
>>318073298
>>318073341
>>318073531
>>318073540
>>318073631
>>318073704
>>318073793
>>318073887
You were all of great help!
Uncharted collection is shit. Come back next year when Sony might actually have a bundle worth a shit.
>>318074117
You should straighten your back a little, with a posture like that you'll ruin your back.
Give me a few minutes, I'm just looking for a way in.
For some reason people always seem to get mad whenever you post a game that isn't bloodborne.
i say go for it now that its cheap or wait for next year when all these promising games are released
>>318074764
>>318074879
>Multiplats
>Games that run better on PC
>>318074117
different nignog here
Is this the right one?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-Vita-Slim-version-PlayStation/dp/B00HY546NG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1448656877&sr=8-1&keywords=vita
>>318074764
Estival Versus isn't even out yet, and I don't think there's even a release date for NA.
>>318075298
>Estival Versus isn't even out yet
>>318073045
I would like to, but I just got this myself. Go nuts, OP.
>>318074117
>Being desuaded by memesters
epin
>>318075273
Whoa nice memes :D
>>318075947
>>318076075
>>318075273
Told you people would get mad.
Bought the uncharted bundle along with bloodborne and tearaway unfolded. Tearaway looks great I hope it's good.
>>318075291
>UK slim on .co.uk: £213
>US slim on .com: $172 = £115
>Is item is not eligible for international shipping
>EDF 4.1
>Bloodborne
>Odin Sphere: Leifthrasir
>13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim
>Gravity Rush 1 & 2
>Dragon Quest XI
>Horizon Zero Dawn
>Persona 5
So, should I buy one? I'm feeling pretty tempted, especially given there's still no word on a release date for the GeForce 1000 series.
>>318076945
Most of that hasn't come out. Honestly, I'm in the same situation. I could get it now but most of the stuff starts coming out in 2016 and now I've just got few import titles in my hands more or less.
Why are multiplats not counted? Why do you only acknowledge full exclusives? Not everybody has a gaming PC!
>>318076945
ONE of those games is out, and the others won't be available in the West for at least another half a year, so no, you shouldn't. Next year the console will actually have games and probably be cheaper and/or improved too.
>>318077071
>Most of that hasn't come out
Doesn't really bother me, being an idort and all. I just figured if I'm gonna buy one I may as well get it while its on sale.
>>318073045
just get a ps3
it LITERALLY has the same games. the only shit coming out on the ps4 is just uprezed ps3 games
>>318077354
You don't understand. If it's a multiplat that is PC / PS4 then there's no reason to get a PS4 because the PC version is superior. If it's a Vita / PS3 / PS4 multiplat then there's also no reason to get it on PS4 because ???. No matter what, fuck the PS4.
>>318077354
So why not get one instead?
>>318077354
"Multiplats aren't games unless they're on PC"
-/v/
>>318077541
I have a huge backlog of games too but still. Depends on the sale price and if you think it's going to be a recurring one.
>>318077593
PS3 has under 1 year of support left.
>>318077541
Thing is, next year it's going to be even cheaper, and new and better hardware revisions might come out. It's not really smart to jump on it because "it's on sale" when you know it's going to collect dust. It will go on sale again plenty of times.
>>318077673
Getting a gaming PC (that will last you years) will cost you more than $300, easily.
>>318077782
> next year it's going to be even cheaper
Highly doubt that. Maybe in 2 or 3 years.
BUY A WII U
>>318077904
Probably not a full blown pricecut, but there might at least be some actually worthwhile bundles.
>>318077782
Being completely honest, Bloodborne and DLC is worth it alone. There hasn't been a single game that has come to PC this year that even remotely rivals it
>>318078025
The only "real" bundle that I can think of coming in the west is Ratchet and Clank bundle.
>>318077818
>sonyggers believe this
>>318078215
Yes, I bet you'll go for 8-10 years without changing parts once and playing the games just as well as when you bought it. :^)
>>318077782
>and new and better hardware revisions might come out.
This is the only thing stopping me.
I think I'll just wait until E3 next year. If they announce a PS4 Slim, I'll wait for that. If not, I'll just get it at regular price. $50 off isn't that much of a deal anyway and I don't care about the Uncharted games.
Thanks, /v/
>>318078215
Maybe it's cheaper in the states but you're definetly not going to build a complete PC in germany with just 300€.
the uncharted games are obscenely boring.
>>318078346
And I'm sure the PS4's graphic fidelity will only go up exponentially and require the PC to change parts to keep up with it xD
>>318073045
>seriously asking this shit hole what to do
This is the same board that said EA would go bankrupt 2 years ago
This is the same board that tried to prove to everyone on an hourly basis there wouldn't be a PS4
This is the same board that said the Wii U would have sold 60 million units a year from now
This is the same board that said the PS4 would flop
And you seriously come here asking about the ps4? This is like asking what the KKK thinks of niggers or something.
/v/ doesn't like to admit it but it has a fuckload of r/pcmasterrace crossposters and it shows badly. Everybody is gonna tell you "pc! pc! pc!" and throw some lists of "advantages" but when it comes to games it's suddenly eternal silence.
Just take a look at the PS4 lineup for next year and you'll be blown away.
Now remember that on ps4 you can:
>get physical games which you can later sell if you want
>you don't need PS+ for online because you can keep recreating a japanese psn account that comes with a 14 days trial to take advantage of it. All you have to do is leave the account saved in your console and you can play normally with yours
>you can actually do the best thing ever which is swap accounts with a friend so he gets access to all your games and you get access to his. I'm talking about getting games at launch for HALF price or you can maybe do like I do with my friend taking turns on purchases and save yourself a fucking LOT of money
PS4 is simply unbeatable, specially at 300 dollars. Go for it without a doubt.
buy it, nobody gives a shit if you regret your purchase afterward
>>318078485
>but when it comes to games it's suddenly eternal silence.
Describes the PS4 alright
>>318078472
Yes anon, everything is dependent on PS4.
>>318078635
>believes the universe orbits the PS4
holy shit
>>318078485
You forgot the best one
>This is the board that thinks SWTOR is a failure
>>318078730
I guess we need to start using /s for /r/pcmasterrace crossposters.
>>318073045
Sony makes you pay to play invisible games online.
>>318078472
That's funny because it's true. Or rather, PS4 will stay as shitty, but PC optimization will get worse as the hardware gets stronger. Or are you going to tell me an 8600 GT was still 100% fine in 2012?
>>318077626
And this is where you are wrong. I've just said it in another thread and I'll say it again:
If you get a pc you'll be playing console ports of multiplats, and if you care about those, you care about AAA gaming. A console will play ALL those games while having high profile exclusives of its own and you're gonna miss those. It's as simple as that.
I also LOVE how you guys always count games when there is a superior version on PC but suddenly when we have a superior version of a ps3 game on the PS4, then magically it doesn't count. Your shit is biased as fuck.
The truth here is that everyone who gives a fuck about gaming will have a ps4 sooner or later. If you look at the 2016 lineup and say you aren't interested in it you simply should seek another hobby.
>>318078862
>N64
>Had a great lineup of games
Whoever made this picture didn't think this one through.
>>318078901
I like how you're so blind with fanboy rage you actually just repeated what the post you quoted said.
>>318078624
And you just proved me right by once again not being able to name shit and having to resort to the usual salt from mustards.
See this right here OP? This is what a mustard looks like, a salt factory propelled by sheer jealousy.
>>318074764
delete this
>>318078901
>>318079048
What stage are you at sonyfam?
>Paying for peer to peer
Don't do it anon
>>318079112
The stage where you get blown the fuck out.
>>318079165
>No timestamp
>No PS4 games pictured
>>318079165
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/d3bDU5i1C7RRVdVX41MqXg%3D%3D
>>318079536
holy shit, the sony internet defense force is real
i cant imagine being so retardedly devoted to defending brand loyalty on the internet, and with such fervor too
>>318079269
Congratulations, you just got yourself blown the fuck out twice in a row.
Also by your logic I have no PC games as well since there are also none in the picture. Oh right, this is 2015 and digital is actually a thing.
Stay salty.
>>318079885
Rev up the damage control engines.
Love me some delicious r/pcmasterrace tears. You guys ask for proof when I say that the ps4 is better than PC and then cry when you get BTFO.
Cry more.
>>318079969
>Buying digital console games
>>318079112
That's literallly applicable to every brand loyal fanbase, which is why brand loyalty is retarded.
>>318079969
>>318079969
>>318080059
>>318079165
You really seem to like the phrase "blown the fuck out". Does it get your pee pee hard?
>>318080069
>buying steam subscriptions
>>318073045
For that price, you aren't gonna get a decent PC. If there's games that interest you, go for it.
>>318080164
Nothing gets me harder than drinking tasty /v/ pkuck tears, that's right.
>>318079969
Why do you bother with blatant shitposters, anon?
>>318080169
>paying for online
>>318073596
Wut?
>>318080381
I actually don't, since I gameshare with a friend and he paid for ps+.
Oh and we also enjoy games for half the price on launch.
In any case even if I had to I'd gladly pay for it (or just use the japanese PSN exploit to get free ps+ forever) because at least PS4 online communities don't die out fast while half of the available players are hackers, like PC :^)
>>318080325
Don't worry, given your posting history you aren't having any issues proving to everyone how turned on you are by the thought of licking a corporation's asshole
You're the goodest of goys, the master is pleased
>>318080638
>g-goy
Is this the best you can do after getting, pkuck? Damn you guys are shooting at every direction you can after getting btfo. Keep the tears incoming.
>>318080618
>ps4 online
Ya shit getting dropped years later and getting your CC infor stolen. Yep great service shithead.
>>318073045
>listening to /v/-Nintendogaf
Just do what your gut tells you.
If you feel like wanting a PS4, get a fucking PS4 if you have the spare cash to spend.
>>318080813
Your shitposting is stale, anon.
>>318080859
This
>>318080813
Better than having zero support whatsoever and being left to rot into a tiny little community consisting of nothing but hackers. At least the console community had SOME time being worthwhile while pc gets treated like the second rate citizen it is.
>>318080813
Enjoying MGO? How are you enjoying your motherbase getting swarmed by hackers? How does getting permacursed and having your character deleted while you're invaded by someone flying like Thor feels like in dark souls? Got rid of your vac ban for installing some mods yet? Oh that's right, those are permanent.
>>318080875
>>318080968
All PS3 games still have their data up for download? Oh wait.
>>318080792
> $300 to play last gen games
> $50 to play online
>biggest exclusive is literally reskinned souls game at less than 30fps
Wait until next year when it will be cheaper with better bundles and actual current gen games.
>>318081204
>All PS3 games still have their data up for download?
...yes?
>>318081204
What? You're not making sense anymore.
>>318081174
I don't know what MGO is.
>>318081174
How's your 60FPS in UNcharted 4 senpai?
>>318081271
>muh gwaphix
Watch out, your r/pcmasterrace is showing.
>>318081342
Exactly.
>>318081290
>>318081336
Might want to do some research children. Multiple PS3 game support has been dropped.
>>318081387
How's your 0 FPS in uncharted 4, familia?
>>318081468
[citation needed]
>>318081468
What?
>>318076438
>that vita port of Bloodborne
>>318081468
This is not steam where your games get updated so they remove content like GTA or something
>>318081521
>Before PS4 launch
GRAFFICS AND 60FPS MATTER
>After PS4 launch
GRAFFICS AND FPS DUN MATTER
Maximum kek
Are there actually really fans of platforms out there? Like people who love the companies behind those platforms and not just the games? Or people who'd miss out on a game they want to play because it's on platform X and they just hate the manufacturer of the hardware?
>>318081826
>muh fps
>muh gwaphix
I simply love this. Mustards can't talk about anything other than throwing some vague "advantages" to the air with no game name attached to it.
Does crying at 60 fps makes you feel more comfortable agout having to port beg and having nothing but some unoptimized games that barely run coming out years after their console counterpart? Does it ease the pain of signing so many petitions, anon?
Also,
>literally making and saving entire dossiers against a console he doesn't own because mommy only let him choose one
Yup, no post-purchase rationalization to bee seen guyze! kek
>>318082123
Yes. For every single platform. PC, Xbox, PS, Whatever names Ninty gets in their head, whatever.
There are probably Sega fans who refuse to buy anything newer than Dreamcast.
>>318081521
>>318081552
>>318081616
These games amount others have had their servers shut down and or updates stopped.
Gran Turismo 5 among others have had their servers or update support shut down on PS3.
But hey you'll keep paying for that online paywall.
2010 FIFA World Cup
50 Cent: Blood on the Sand
Apples to Apples (glitched)
Army of Two: The 40th Day
Battlefield: Bad Company
Blacklight: Tango Down (glitched)
Bulletstorm
Burn Zombie Burn! (Zombie Sushi DLC never released)
Buzz! Brain of...
Buzz! Quiz TV
Buzz! Quiz World
Buzz! The Ultimate Music Quiz
Calling All Cars
CellFactor: Psychokinetic Wars
Create
Damage Inc. Pacific Squadron WWII
Def Jam Rapstar
DiRT 2 (no weekly tournament info from DiRTNET)
EA Sports Active 2.0
EA Sports MMA
FEAR 2
FIFA 09+10+11+12
Fifa Street
Fight Night Champion (countdown glitched)
FORMULA ONE CHAMPIONSHIP EDITION (however, there's a workaround)
Free Realms
Ghostbusters
Gran Turismo 5
Guitar Hero: Hits
Hasbro Gamily Game Night
Heroes Over Europe
Homefront
Hunter's Trophy 1+2 (glitched)
Lucha Libre AAA: Heroes of the Ring
Madden 10
MAG
Major League Baseball 2K9+2K10+2K11
Midnight Club LA
MLB 09+10+11+12: The Show
Moto GP 09/10 (server can't handle 20 player matches)
Moto GP 10/11 (same as above)
Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
MX vs. ATV Reflex
nail'd (glitched)
NASCAR 14 (The Joey Logano highlight challenge is 1 lap longer than it is supposed to be which makes the time trial trophies impossible.)
NBA 09: The Inside
NBA 2K10+11+12+13
NBA Elite 11 (game was cancelled, a few copies got out though - server was never turned on)
NBA Jam
NBA Live 10
NCAA Basketball 10
NCAA Football 10
NHL 10+11+2K10
Overlord II
PAIN (online features inaccessible)
Picotto Knights
Pinballistik (glitched)
Pro Baseball Spirits 2010+2011+6
PES 2010+11+12
Pro Foosball (glitched)
Pure Football
>>318082176
>"I CAN'T HAVE IT THEREFORE ITS BAD"
Apex kek
Pay your PS Plus and buy the COD Maps like a good goy. You can't see the difference between 1080P and 1360x1080 right? :^)
>>318082407
Resistance 2
Resistance 3
Resistance: Fall of Man
SBK 08+09+2011+X: Superbike World Championship
Section 8
SOCOM 4
SOCOM: Special Forces
SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Confrontation
Superstars V8 Next Challenge
The Bigs 2
The Lord of The Rings: Conquest
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10+11+12
Top Gun
UFC Undisputed 3
UFC Personal Trainer (glitched)
Unreal Tournement
White Knight Chronicles (still obtainable, but a longer grind due to drops)
White Knight Chronicles II (still obtainable, but a longer grind due to drops)
WRC FIA World Rally Championship
WRC 2
WWE 12
WWE All Stars (JP vers. too)
Yoostar 2
>>318082417
Except for the fact I'm >>318079165 and >>318079969 so I'm sorry, what were you saying again, toaster-kun? Let me guess, someone assembled a pc with a 750ti and an fx 6300 for you and you've been trying to defend it heavily ever since, right?
>>318082407
What does servers being down have to do with game DATA being unavailable?
>online paywall
>PS3
:^)
>>318082560
>Sidestepping
Back to your Cablestation 900P anon
>>318082417
By the way thanks for proving me right again by posting yet another autism collage you have to save and post around to ease the buyer's remorse, anon. Doing a great job at shooting your own feet off.
Also don't forget to fund the latest indie kickstarter so you can get another game to play.
>>318082712
Some of those games can't be updated. Learn to read, champ.
>>318082724
>i7 3770
>gtx 970
>900p
>dodged the toaster accusation to save face
I hit the nail on its head, didn't I? Oh god this is hilarious.
>>318082560
>>318082740
>This amount of damage control
>He does it FOR FREE
>>318075273
>literary 25 exclusives
>multiplats
>>318082796
"Some"
Which ones you can't obtain updates for?
>>318082926
>still proving me right by dumping an entire folder of post-purchase rationalization
Literally the easiest argument I've had. Keep digging.
>>318082967
Can you not read? Or are you just being a retard because you've released paying for Sony's online paywall is retarded and your precious console is objectively shit?
>>318073045
Are there at least three games available now that you really want to play? That's my criteria for buying a new console.
Because there is a 250 dollar version on Newegg if you do visa checkout.
(1) sign up to Visa Checkout and use promotion code VCOBF15 ($25 off) (2) download the Newegg app and click the associated link to get 3 months of Premier for free (save $5.99 on shipping).
>>318083092
None of those fucking things says you can't obtain updates for. That list is made with platinum trophies in mind.
>>318082407
>>318082520
>third parties shut down the games' servers
>it's Sony's fault
???
>>318083385
Achievements are part of the game.
>>318083780
>GT5
>3rd paty
Sonnyggers ladies and gentlemen. Throw their own prized IPs under the bus to avoid their console being shown in a negative light.
>>318082724
>>318083786
Holy shit.
i want a ps4 becasue most normal people do not have gaming pc's (actual gaming pc's) to play games with them on
>>318078485
>you can actually do the best thing ever which is swap accounts with a friend so he gets access to all your games and you get access to his. I'm talking about getting games at launch for HALF price or you can maybe do like I do with my friend taking turns on purchases and save yourself a fucking LOT of money
Can literally be done with Steam. Also can be done as many times as you wish instead of the 2-system limit.
>>318073298
>Many PS4 "exclusives" are slowly being released on PC
Like what?
>>318084549
>Can literally be done with Steam
My fucking ass it does.
On steam as soon as the other guy starts playing ANY game you'll get a warning to log out and then some minutes after you're forcibly booted out of the game and can't access any of their games while he's still playing.
On the ps4 BOTH are playing at the SAME time without any problems whatsoever.
It's not even fucking close.
>>318082926
why do you guys car about graphics? Go out side if you want to bitch about something real.
>>318077683
>under one 1 year of support
This. The scales have tipped. Its time to move on and this November is apparently the perfect time to do it.
>>318084759
Alright, fair point. But Steam isn't the only place to get games on PC. Online play is still free in the end, and while that japanese exploit thing works for now, who knows how long it will last or patched?
>>318081826
It's almost like people realized 30fps isn't a big deal and they prefer to trade framerate for graphics.
>>318085027
>Alright, fair point. But Steam isn't the only place to get games on PC
Come on now, nothing compares to Steam on PC. It has almost complete monopoly over it. It's the sole reason physical is kill almost completely and it's DRM to boot. What's not to like for developers?
>>318085027
Yeah, but you're also forgetting that if someone signs up for a ps+ membership, both also get the benefits from it, so you're looking at a 25 dollars annual expense at best if you aren't getting it with some deals that pop up every once in a while and it doesn't really amount to anything when you're considering that both people are getting games for half price in the first place.
>>318085125
You shouldn't criticize DRM while trying to defend a console. It's not making you look good.
>>318085269
And PC game sales will go far below PSN so that half-off part gives it only parity, not a clear advantage.
This thread should've died a long time ago
Why keeping it alive with consolewar bullshit
>Wii U is three Wiis taped together! Last-gen tech for $300 HAHAHAHAHAHA Nintendo is dead
>Xbone gets 900p while PS4 gets 1080p, Sony always wins, baby!
>W-w-what? G-graphics don't matter, PCtard! It's all about the games! You probably have a TOASTER anyway!
Sonyponies, everyone. Graphics only matter when they're better than the competition and cease to matter at all once anyone points out PS4 runs games like complete dogshit most of the time. Fuck, even Nintendo has more 60fps games on their "last-gen" console.
>>318085530
Except for the fact that PSN also gets sales, which also get slashed by half price doing this, and I'm talking about getting games at LAUNCH for HALF price or maybe taking turns in purchases, which means paying 60 dollars for two games at launch once you buy one and your friend buys one or paying 30 bucks for something that's just come out. You won't be doing that on PC at all so PSN gets the clear advantage here.
>>318085530
>You shouldn't criticize DRM while trying to defend a console. It's not making you look good.
Don't be an idiot. You can keep up the "console itself is DRM :^)" -meme up but there's no fucking excuse for PC being almost completely dominated with it. GOG is only used by few companies because of its fair pricing policy along with no DRM.
Not to mention I can still actually buy a physical console game and actually expect the fucking disc contain something other than a Steam installer.
>>318085849
>You won't be doing that on PC
What? Yes I am, I'm buying CD keys for games at LAUNCH for HALF the price.
>>318085530
>You shouldn't criticize DRM while trying to defend a console. It's not making you look good.
Because having a "subscription" that can be abruptly shut down without any warnings whatsoever like Steam sure does sound much better huh? But do tell us about DRM on consoles and show me how can sony or microsoft prevent me from selling any physical game I have at hand.
>>318085530
Oh and not to forget you can borrow games from your friends as they're physical and NOT TIED TO AN ACCOUNT, something you can't do with Steam.
>>318084745
Ignore the butt devastated PCkek. What he mean is "I port beg and sign lot of petitions so it means ALL PS4 games are coming to steam".
>>318085849
Go take a look at the current sales right now, most of everything is under 50% off.
>>318085883
Even with DRM you can pirate and mod on a PC easily, but not on a console.
>>318086017
What is offline mode
What are nosteam cracks
>>318085660
PC can't play bloodborne or demon soul. Why are you mad?
>>318086224
>But pirating!
Jesus fucking Christ anon. That doesn't give any points to PC.
>But modding!
Only few games support modding worth any salt.
>>318086280
>what is offline mode
You mean that things that console does by default since there is no always online DRM as well while still holding the advantage of being able to sell individual games since they are not tied to a subscription account?
>What are nosteam cracks
Something that is not supported by the platform itself?
>>318085883
Not the same guy, but buying physical on consoles is almost as bad as PC these days unless it's a Nintendo game.
Sure, there's a disc in there, but most of the time the game requires a huge day-one patch to even function, and it's getting worse and worse with games like the new Tony Hawk having literally half the game not on the disc at all. It defeats the purpose of buying physically and doesn't offer the benefits it once did.
In another 10 years when support for these games is gone and XBL/PSN isn't supported on the platform anymore, you won't be able to play most of these recent games unless you already have it installed and patched. Buy the game years later? Sorry, no patch for you, enjoy your broken game that's also likely missing content. these day-one patches and games shipping half-finished completely render the advantages of buying a physical copy moot.
And If you need to get a new console down the line, tough shit, say goodbye to all your digital purchases due to how MS and Sony's authentication works. You can only play the game on the console it was originally downloaded on unless you log into XBL, but there won't be an XBL to log into anymore, so there will be no way for you to redownload or transfer your digital purchases to your new console.
>>318085660
Having last gen tech is a huge disadvantage, especially if you want some third party support.
As for Xbone PS4 disparity I guess people make a big deal about it because the 2 are basically the same machine so it's really strange.
As for PC, it operates differently, graphical fidelity and framerate depends of the size of your wallet so when you say "PC looks better" you're basically a retard stating the obvious.
That said I'd rather play Demon Souls at 720p with slowdowns than Fallout 4 in meme resolution at meme framerate.
>>318086768
>but buying physical on consoles is almost as bad as PC these days unless it's a Nintendo game.
What.
>Sure, there's a disc in there, but most of the time the game requires a huge day-one patch to even function, and it's getting worse and worse with games like the new Tony Hawk having literally half the game not on the disc at all. It defeats the purpose of buying physically and doesn't offer the benefits it once did.
Honest question: Do you even fucking buy physical console games?
Of all the games I have on PS3 (~85 or so) - NONE of them have had a huge day one patch. NONE.
It's only a problem on games that are rushed out by AAA devs like Ubisoft that are prone to fucking up the release to begin with.
In fact, the only 1GB and over updates that I've had have been with Little Big Planet 2, which comes from content updates.
>>318085660
>arguing against yourself
kek, btw your salt factory made me remember of pic related
>Fuck, even Nintendo has more 60fps games on their "last-gen" console.
Except they don't?
Also,
>60 fps on last gen looking games at 720p with drops accross the board somehow being a feat
Who do you think you're fooling, nintendrone?
>>318086772
>Having last gen tech is a huge disadvantage
No it's not, look at the best-selling platforms. NES was weak as shit, Gameboy sold itself entirely on its games while its competitors had full-color handhelds on the market, PS1 was less expensive and weaker than N64, etc. etc.
There is/was nothing stopping 3rd-parties from making Wii U games, the budgets were likely a lot smaller than your typical Xbone/PS4 game. They just chose not to. And they could have ported justa bout every game that got a 360/PS3 releae with little trouble, but again, they just chose not to. Publishers used to make games to entice people to buy the console, now they've decided its the other way around and the console has to sell [X] amount before they'll think about making games, which is ass-fucking-backward.
Wii and DS had plenty of 3rd-party support, lots of their good exclusives were not made by Nintendo. PS2 was by far the weakest console 6th gen after the DC was dead and gone, but that didn't stop it from being the lead development platform most of the time. Hardware has little to do with it, Nintendo just doesn't do business like Sony/MS and all the western publishers. Activision and EA don't have the same influence and control over Nintendo's platform as they do Sony and MS's. They can't sell CoD to millions and push DLC and have ads on Nintendo's home screen, so they won't bother with Nintendo.
>>318087316
You couldn't have used a worse image to represent the PS4. The only interesting game is the one we haven't even seen more footage of.
>>318086768
>Sure, there's a disc in there, but most of the time the game requires a huge day-one patch to even function
Because digital games don't? And can you sell those digital games too?
>In another 10 years when support for these games is gone and XBL/PSN isn't supported on the platform anymore, you won't be able to play most of these recent games unless you already have it installed and patched. Buy the game years later?
And why would my patch magically vanish since it's downloaded regardless of the media format, you mongoloid? Where do you think patches go when you put a disc inside a console, you idiot?
>Buy the game years later? Sorry, no patch for you
And why would it be any different for a digital purchase? If this were to happen, does your stupid mind not realize you wouldn't even be able to purchase digitally in the first place?
This was the most retarded post I've read in this place in quite a while. I could feel my IQ dropping as I read it, holy shit, I refuse to believe there are people this retarded on this planet.
>>318087621
>b-b-but those g-games are shit anyway!
When we're talking about graphics and not judging game design.
Quality sidestepping to save face.
oh i am laffin
>>318087067
>Honest question: Do you even fucking buy physical console games?
I bought six today.
>PS3
I'm speaking more about the new consoles, this was not nearly as prevalent a few years ago on 360/PS3. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Far too many Xbone/PS4 games ship unfinished, so when online support is dropped for them you won't be able to patch any of the dozens and dozens of games that require day-one updates or are flat-out missing content, like the new tony Hawk. It renders the entire advantage of physical media moot, because you're not getting the complete game on-disc anymore, you'll still have to rely on their online shit to get the complete game, which will not even be possible in 5-10 years.
And what I said about your digital games going bye-bye applies to every platform out there. Pretty sure you won't be able to re-download or transfer any of your games once PSN support for PS3 is gone, because you'll be required to login to authenticate your games but there will not be a PSN to log into.
I have a friend with a good 100+ digital games on his 360, and I keep telling him to stop fucking buying them. His Xbox is going to crap out someday, It's an Xbox so it's inevitable, and he won't be able to play any of them when XBL goes down and he gets a new one.
>>318087478
>No it's not
Oh that's right, it's not, because devs sure are gonna LOVE having to waste precious time and resources to make the game even work on a shitty platform, specially from a company who completely burned itself out of the industry by burning every bridge with third parties, amirite?
I mean, just look at all the 3rd party support the Wii U has, SPECIALLY when we're in the middle of a gen that is all about unifying processes with standards architectures shared across pc, ps4 and xb1 to make porting easier, and RIGHT before directx 12 to make this even more effective. And then there's the wii u with PPC sitting right there in the corner missing out on every single multiplat.
>nintendrones
>>318087478
There is a difference between being the weakest console and being a whole generation behind. Anon, porting games comes with costs, porting PS4 games on Wii U would be a nightmare.
It is a huge disadvantage, it is in both the eyes of developer and the people who buy it.
![Uncharted-4-new2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YgpBDZc.jpg "Uncharted-4-new2[1].jpg")
>>318087820
>graphics
Oh, another Sonygger that knows jack shit about graphics, what a surprise.
>>318088185
This reminds me of what the Project Cars dev said about the wii u being the 2% that's responsible for 98% of the trouble.
>>318088259
>408kb .jpg youtube screenshot
>>318088375
>ignores the lighting
>ignores the low poly assets
>ignores the shadow quality
Sonygger AND memefrog shitposter. Try harder.
>>318088020
You're assuming that the PSN will be discontinued some time in the future. If the Playstation brand still exists there is no reason for it to be gone, especially now that people pay for it.
>>318088020
>I'm speaking more about the new consoles, this was not nearly as prevalent a few years ago on 360/PS3. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Again, it's irrelevant. Even NOW and in the FUTURE only trash can developers like Ubisoft fail to publish a full game that doesn't needa a fucking huge patch to work day one.
>Far too many Xbone/PS4 games ship unfinished
Again, untrue.
From my memory I can only remember Ass Creed after Ass creed and Halo + THPS5, which was shitty to begin with.
PSN login support won't be gone anytime soon.
>I have a friend with a good 100+ digital games on his 360, and I keep telling him to stop fucking buying them.
What does it matter? Ultimately all digital services will stop working.
>>318087689
Chill, I'm not preaching the gospel of digital games. I fucking HATE digital games, and I'm not going to have an alternative soon because even physical console games aren't shipping complete and require patches and shit you won't be able to get years later. One of the major advantages of buying physical is gone.
I can go buy just about any original XB or 360 game I want, pop it in and play it, but will I be able to do the same with any Xbone game years later? Those XB and 360 games are complete, I don't need to patch anything or download anything to have the complete game.
Let's say in 8-10 years I buy a used Xbone and Halo 5. The console is wiped, or at least doesn't have any Halo 5-related data on it at all. Can't patch it, can't get any of the updates, and I can't play the multiplayer at all because there's no more XBL functionality for the Xbone. There's no reason to even touch the game because it requires XBL functionality to even be playable. This is what I have a problem with, the complete lack of long-term functionality newer games will have once the online services are gone because publishers aren't shipping the entire game on-disc.
>>318088020
The PSP store is being dropped soon, but they're still letting you redownload games you've bought by going into your history.
>>318088020
He's not going to be able to play his physical games after every xbox in the planet is gone either.
Besides at that point he could just pirate his games. It happens all of the time. New tech comes out, the old tech becomes a joke, and emulators are suddenly everywhere.
>>318088075
>making games is a waste of time for game developers
Publishers want the bloated AAA model to work for every game they make. That's all there is to it, they want those massive sales and anything less isn't worth it. They want to put ads on the console's home menu, they want to push for DLC and microtransactions. Nintendo doesn't have the infrastructure or desire to do that, they do not want to let these publishers have the same level of control on their platform. EA worked with Nintendo to develop their eshop, and when EA wanted to implement Origin, and basically have full control over the platform's shop, Nintendo told them to fuck off.
tl;dr: Has nothing to do with hardware you colossal retard, 360 and PS3 still get games and are still selling. It's about how publishers want to do business and the games they make, Nintendo doesn't have the audience they want and they will not let pubs run rampant with their DLC and have full control over the platform.
>>318088982
>Nintendo doesn't do DLC or microtransactions
I'm laughing so hard right now.
>>318088536
No one's paying for it on PS3 though, no reason to keep it going in a few more years if there's no revenue coming in from it.
>What does it matter? Ultimately all digital services will stop working.
That's my point, genius. The advantage of a physical disc is that I always have the game, in its entirety, for as long as I decide to keep it. No online authentication, no patches. I could buy a 20 year old console to play it and it'll play just as it did the day it was released. Won't be able to do the same with PS4/Xbone games in the future because too many require massive patches and content updates that aren't on the disc, there's no long-term value.
>>318087316
>>318089243
>Won't be able to do the same with PS4/Xbone games in the future because too many require massive patches and content updates that aren't on the disc, there's no long-term value.
But they don't for fuck's sake. You're making predictions that have no fucking base on what's actually happening.
>>318073045
I was in your shoes as well but then I remembered no backwards compatibility (had a 360 last gen) and only 2 worthwhile exclusives at best
>>318089180
>Nintendo doesn't do DLC or microtransactions
Why are you making things up?
Nintendo makes DLC for their games. How many season passes has Nintendo done? Two? Every single AAA game on PS4/Xbone has a season pass and lots of DLC. The only notable Nintendo games with a lot of DLC are Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros., Fire Emblem and Mario Golf on 3DS.
Point being, Nintendo doesn't want to give these pubs the same level of control over their platform that Sony/MS do. Nintendo doesn't want CoD ads on their home menu, they don't want EA to implement Origin, they don't want to push season passes on every game. Without EA, Activison, Ubisoft, etc., Sony/MS consoles have little people want.
>>318073045
There's fuck all exclusives worth playing and an actual price drop next year. Why the fuck would you bother now?
>>318073045
JUST DO IT
>>318078862
The N64 fucking sucks you faggot.
>>318081401
>g-graphics don't matter!
i'll keep this in mind next time you sonyggers start bashing the wii u
>>318089567
>Sony/MS consoles have little people want.
If this were true, how the fuck is PS selling so much?
Protip: People like AAA shit on average. That's what sells the consoles. Ninty just doesn't want 3rd party at all it seems. Neither AAA nor smaller studios. As long as they can sell their fisher price toys all is fine for them after all.
>Control of their platform
Stop with this shit. The fact they have ADs because their shit is the most popular kind of games on Earth doesn't mean that they're in "control" of the platform.
>>318089710
The price drop already happened.
>>318088668
Right, you can still access the store. What happens when you can't? It's not going to stay up forever.
>>318089406
>You're making predictions that have no fucking base on what's actually happening.
Oh, games don't have massive day-one patches that are often required for the game to function? Tony Hawk didn't ship with half the gem modes missing from the disc?
>buy Xbone/PS4 in 10+ years
>buy Fallout 4
>can't patch, no XBL/PSN
>enjoy your broken game
or
>console breaks, want to buy new one
>no XBL/PSN
>can't transfer/redownload digital games, no way to authenticate
I'm not understanding what's so hard to grasp about this. This will happen, online support for these consoles will not be around forever.
I don't get why you're so fervently defending physical console games shipping incomplete. It offers absolutely nothing but disadvantages for the customer and squanders one of the key advantages physical has over digital.
>>318078862
Every console has a great lineup of games when you're young and satisfied with a handful of games.
I had maybe seven games on N64. About three or four of them were actually good. I still maintain that a console is worth getting for as little as three games as long as you know you'll get some time out of them, but that doesn't mean it has a great line-up.
>>318082520
Oh dude this sucks I really wanted to play PAIN later
Wait
>>318089936
>If this were true, how the fuck is PS selling so much?
Read the full sentence:
>Without EA, Activison, Ubisoft, etc., Sony/MS consoles have little people want.
It's selling because of these 3rd-party games, not because of Sony's games, which is why these pubs have so much influence and control over the platform. It's why you see ads for their games and DLC on the dashboard. Without those publishers, Sony has nothing people want, so they're going to work closely with them and tailor their platform for the publishers and their games. Nintendo doesn't do this, so Ea/Ubisoft/etc. have little interest in publishing on their platforms.
>>318090092
You seem to have missed how I mentioned that the store was going away and you would no longer have access to it, but you would still be able to redownload your purchased games.
Also, I can download any of my digital PSP games onto my Vita.
I honestly can't think of a time where buying digitally has worked out worse than buying physically.
Honestly unless you're some retro gamer that wants to play games that are 20 years old, I don't see why it matters to begin with.
>>318090094
Sucks to be you. I find 12 games there to be good, which is more games than I even had on my PS3
>>318073045
when the good games start arriving, the standard price will have already dropped to $300
>>318090092
> Tony Hawk didn't ship with half the gem modes missing from the disc?
Yes, because every fucking game released on the consoles is either: Tony Hawk, Halo or Assassin's creed. You got that damn right.
>I don't get why you're so fervently defending physical console games shipping incomplete.
I'm not defending it at all. Stop reading something I'm not saying. I'm saying that the vast majority of games do NOT ship unfinished / in need of huge day one patches. Which is objectively true and will remain as such. Only few games do that and yet you're acting like every single fucking game is like them.
Games shipped broken before 7th gen too you know? Or if not broken, with game breaking bugs and glitches that could freeze your game.
But there was no technology to patch them and they remained as such.
Every single game will ship with bugs and that's a fact.
>>318090428
Are you the kid who screams real loud about Sonic the Hedgehog
>>318090092
>Modern Tony Hawk game
I'm dying right now.
>>318090612
Go have sex with yourself
>>318090092
More like:
>Console breaks
>get a new one
>jailbreak it
>download games and play them
>>318073045
I just mostly play blops3 and bloodborne on it. But for 300 it's not bad.
>>318090428
Right, I missed that period.
3rd party is the salt of the platform either way, which is why Nintendo is failing and has been for several gens now. They rely on people keeping on buying the new mario or zelda or pokemon. They're just keeping it stale with them.
>so Ea/Ubisoft/etc. have little interest in publishing on their platforms.
Hardly the only reason.
It doesn't help that NoA keeps on the "THIS PLATFORM IS FOR CHILDREN" up with all the censorship.
>>318090428
Oh and, 3rd party used to be a good part of Nintendo too, until Gen 5.
>>318090790
Whoa what a comeback.
>>318090428
3rd parties don't publish for Nintendo because it's become common for Nintendo to be a console that people own in addition to another console. There's no money to be had in putting a game on a console only for the people that own it to buy the game on a different platform.
Add to that the increased development cost of making a game for a platform with different controls or a second screen.
one thing i don't understand is when future titles get listed, they don't actually "count." why is this? people buy consoles because they look forward to games. literally every console is history is like this. i did this for wii u was well for XCX and FExSMT
>>318091612
Because people are under this delusion that publishers and developers will put out software on a platform that no one owns.
>>318091151
>which is why Nintendo is failing and has been for several gens now
First off, Nintendo isn't "failing" because they've had literally one year that wasn't profitable since the entered the console market with the NES. Wii U is selling like shit but it's profitable, Nintendo is making money. Meanwhile, Sony posted their first year of gains in well over a decade, so if Nintendo were failing before while making money what does that say about their competition?
>It doesn't help that NoA keeps on the "THIS PLATFORM IS FOR CHILDREN" up with all the censorship.
And EA/Activision/Ubisoft would care about this why? They have no problem making "kiddy" games for Wii U, like Skylanders, or "family" games, like Guitar Hero. The audience that plays CoD and buys every season pass isn't on Wii U, that's all there is to it. Has nothing to do with hardware, 360/PS3 still get games, often the same shit Ps4/Xbone get. It's about the target audience and the way they do business. Skylanders sells on Nintendo, the audience is there. CoD does not, the audience is not there.
>Add to that the increased development cost of making a game for a platform with different controls or a second screen
Controls are no different, why would they be? two sticks, four face buttons, four shoulder buttons. All the second screen needs to do is display a map or your nventory, or it could do nothing at all, like DKCTF. Point being it wouldn't be much trouble to port 360/PS3 games to it, PS3 was stupidly hard to develop for but it still got the same multiplats 360 got. Again, it's all about the intended audience and how the platform handles digital transactions, not the hardware.
>>318091726
>Because people are under this delusion that publishers and developers will put out software on a platform that no one owns.
And this is a fundamental problem.
No one wants a platform when it doesn't have games. Games need to be there for the platform to sell, the idea that publishers will hold games hostage until [x] number of people run out and buy the console is fucking ass-backward. Make games and then I'll want the console.
Is the PS4/XBone for 300 and Wii U for 250 only for Black Friday sales or will there be other holiday sales?
>>318092781
Can get refurbished from Nintendo for $200, but other than that yeah that's probably the best price you'll see for each console.
>>318092765
It's fine for some people to wait for more games to show up before getting a console, but don't knock people for buying into a platform for announced games. It's those people buying into the platform that are encouraging more games to come out for it.
>>318093067
>but don't knock people for buying into a platform for announced games
I'm not? You really shouldn't do that anyway, but I'm knocking publishers for adopting this fucking backward mindset that customers need to buy millions of consoles before they'll make games for it. Fuck you, Ubisoft, make games THEN I'll buy the console and your game. They're just using it as an excuse, they just don't want to be straight and say "The audience we want is not there, we can''t push our DLC and microtransactions and advertisements nearly as much, so we won't bother."
Publishers are getting too big for their britches and are clinging to this bloated, broken AAA model that perpetuates stupidly and unnecessarily huge budgets because investors need to see growth every year, even when your last game made a billion dollars in a fucking day. So it gets to the point where every game they make has to sell millions, there's no room for smaller, more niche projects and middling developers anymore. The money spent on stuff like that is better lumped into the marketing budget for their next AAA game to ensure it sells 10 million copies, otherwise 200 people get fired. And now we're forced to run out and buy $400 consoles so Ubisoft will feel safe making their next game because the broken AAA model will crush them if they don't keep seeing growth.
