Objectively Correct Tier List
>>318037672
If you play anyone above Mario you should swallow your disc. It's one thing to be unbalanced, it's another to have the best characters all the least fun to play.
>>318037672
No one cares about your 4gloryhole opinions OP.
>>318037926
But this list seems right in pretty much every way to me, anon.
Objectively Correct Tier List
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Melee
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Smash 4
Brawl
>>318037672
>MARTH AND LUCINA NOT IN THE SAME TIER
HOW DO YOU FAGS KEEP DOING THISSS
THEY HAVE THE SAME EXACT FUCKING MOVES!!!
ONE JANK PROPERTY THAT ONLY MAKES DIFFERENCE FOR ONE MOVE WILL NOT SEPARATE THEM MATCH UP WISE AGAINST ALL THE OTHER UNIQUE MOVESETS OF THE OTHER CHARACTERS BY AN ENTIRE FUCKING TIER
at the MOST they will have maybe 2 characters between them somehow, but not different fucking tiers they have the same fucking moves......
>>318037672
>that feel when game and watch will never be viable but will forever stayFUN
i am ok with this
>Tfw all my mains are C or lower
>Tfw I still have a 65% win/lose
Feels good man.
Who /Lucas/ here?
>>318038172
facts right here
>>318038220
>start every new opponent stock with dthrow-Judge for as long as percentage allows
>>318037672
>No Cloud
It's shit.
>>318038220
>Use Wario as main and play G&W on the side
>Getting bike gimps as Wario
>>318038187
Lucina is trash compared to Marth.
Dat tip really makes a big difference
Shulk? E Tier? Really anon?
>>318037672
>little mac and kirby D tier
>Captain Falcoon is B tier
Fight me in the street
>>318038470
I'm sorry, anon, he doesn't have the results.
>>318038432
they're the same character, where a tip might sometimes help marth
>same speed
>same range
>same weight
>same shit lag moves
=same match-ups against all the other characters
=same place on the tier list
>>318038470
>One recovery option
>Only real threat in the air, which is the most dangerous position to be in.
>Side B doesn't ledgesnap
>Muh Monado can be countered with projectiles
I main Shulk, and even I can admit he's trash
Does Ryu really have the tourny placings to actually deserve A-tier, honestly?
I main Falco and there is just something missing about him. He's great in his own way, but why do people think he's so low?
>>318038645
Doesn't marth have a slight bigger reach
>>318037842
Sonic is the ultimate faggot character, but the other characters above Mario are actually some of the most fun characters and more characters should be designed like them
>>318038187
Yea same for melee Marth and Roy right?
>>318038759
Nigga Ryu's are getting top 3 as a counterpick to everyone but Sheik, ZSS, and Rosa.
Does /v/ know any contemporary ryu specialists? Im curious to see how he plays in smash 4
>>318038804
his neutral is pretty bad.
>>318038972
Trela is pretty good from what I've seen
>>318038974
In theory, shouldn't the shield nerf patch have helped Falco? His fair or retreating fair has always been a good option for approaching, but after this patch, it's god send. I mean there's the dash and grab, but what else does he need to be good at neutral?
>>318037672
>>318038972
Mr. R nigga.
The game at SmashCon with Ally vs Mr. R's Ryu was the first time Sm4sh has been entertaining.
>>318038187
>DIFFERENCE FOR ONE MOVE
>I literally haven't played the game once in my life.
>>318038759
Trela got 5th at LTC3, 9th at Paragon La and TBH5 and and 3rd at STR2015, 9B got 5th at Umebura F.A.T and general high placements at japanese tourneys, and DJ Jack got 3rd at Frame Perfect so i would say yes
How did the person that made that list go about determining the rankings?
Hardcore Smash fags, is that list legit?
>>318037672
Go home, Ace
>Still playing tr4sh
You have to be literally autistic to derive any sort of enjoyment from that shit. The players I've played against certainly are.
>>318039350
Tourney results mixed in with personal opinion. Probably best list I've seen on /v/.
>>318039457I enjoy playing on the new stages for fun
>>318039562
For Funs alright
but even then you get those players
the ones who spam super armor shit like Dark Pits Side B, or stand near the edges and spam projectiles.
For Glory 1v1 is fucking awful, Even when I won games I didn't have fun because of how asinine the strategies in this game are.
>>318037672
>>mewtwo in F tier
is he so shitty, after all the hype and that DLC bullshit?
>>318037672
>Ness
>B
>Not even top ten
>Below Villager, Meta Knight, Fox and Mario
>Luigi in fucking C with Ike and ROB
>DK that freaking low
This is horrible
>>318039350
No, it's just a For Glory shitter's shit opinions combined with AceStarthe3rd's tier list.
>>318037672
typical "I have never played with Mii Fighters but put them on the tier list anyway" list
>>318037672
>Dedede lower than Bowser
>>318037672
>Diddy Kong
>B tier
Despite his nerfs Sheik still has a poor match up against Diddy, he is not B tier.
>>318039838
I agree that Luigi should be higher but in this case I don't think C tier is bad at all, all the characters in it are pretty freaking good, except for Roy maybe.
The rest of your opinions are shit and you should off yourself.
Sonic main here. What other characters can I GO FAST on so I don't look like such a dick?
>>318039927
it's funny because the OP posted a tier list that from reverse image searching came from top Smash 4 players
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1272x0yGUorEh2THCvQCgn6cJ9xhNXTjfHvUNSWwvyMg/pubhtml
>>318040046
None, just be a Sonic shitter.
>>318039819
hes too light for how big and floaty he is, his up smash (and up throw? cant remember) got nerfed, and a lot of his hitboxes are messed up so they dont hit as big of an area as they should
so hes like a glass cannon with shitty offense or a big character without any of the weight
Ok everyone, post your top five smash characters
I don't mean they ones you're personally best with or think are the most fun.
The best.
>>318039992
If you dont think Ness is a top ten character and better than the fucking Villager and Meta Knight you have no idea what you are talking about. Mario and Fox can be debatable but thats it. He shouldnt even be in B tier he should be A alot of the B and C tier should be in A and so on.
ROB is very good, clearly you've never played one. Ike is very good for a heavy again you have no idea what your talking about him and DK have placed very well in majors consistently
>>318039968
Stop looking at the letter and start looking at the characters around him.
>>318040013
This is a good example if what a tier list should be.
>>318040123
Donkey Kong
Yoshi
Ryu
Captain Falcon
Falco
>>318040013
Mario and Luigi should swap
otherwise it's ok but just dumping 3/4 of the cast under "no real order" tends to do that
>>318040123
Shiek, Rosa, ZSS, Pikachu and Sonic are unarguably the top five characters in Smash 4
>>318038470
His frame data is awful if you don't see that then you're blind
Does anyone think if not for Nario alone anyone would even think ZSS is high tier?
you don't see her at all in tourneys
>>318040123
Pikachu
Kirby
Fox
Meta Knight
Sheik
>>318040286
He said Smash not Sm4sh. That's all games.
>>318037672
It's pretty good, who made it?
I would change a few small things but other than that it's correct.
>>318040013
You named the tiers correctly but have no clue about anything other than top 10 characters
>>318040361
>It's pretty good, who made it?
see >>318040085
>>318040321
If it weren't for Nairo she'd be in the same position as Yoshi. Really good with no-one playing the character.
>>318040321
Shes not as popular because she is hard as hell to use but Nario shows off why she is Top three material, so many stupid quick kill set ups that come so quickly
>>318040398
>>318040321
What are you talking about? Except for Nairo, there's Bengal and Nick Riddle and the like regularly winning tourneys with her, big ones too
What you said goes for Pikachu more, but it's obvious Pika is a good character
>>318040085
>>318040387
>r/smashbros
>two other community votes
>some Japs
>Nakat (a literal who)
I am surprised. Normally I'd think they would produce a steaming pile of shit.
>>318040101
>>glass cannon
more like a glass slingshot
what a waste of an opportunity...
can you explain why is Samus F too?
>>318039562
AUTISM REEEEEE
>>318040154
Stop looking at the letters, it doesn't matter as much as you think unless it's the lowest/highest letter
The way you said it I thought you were talking shit about Ike and ROB in your post saying Luigi shouldn't be with these characters.
Ness isn't better than Meta Knight with his retarded but I think he's better than Villager. Meta Knights have gotten way further than Ness's. Have you ever seen a Ness take games from top shieks? Meta Knight has. Ness get's gimped SUPER hard by Rosalina and chars with counters with his shit recovery, which automatically makes him lower in my opinion.
>>318040601
Weird hitboxes, problem killing, worst roll in the game and lackluster special movies.
>people saying smash 4 has more viable characters in tournament then melee
>Sheik, ZSS
Its almost worse than brawls snake,ICs,MK when it comes to viable tournament characters
>>318040590
Yeah, fuck the reddit and smashboards votes skewing it, but the rest of those are pretty legit
>>318040342
>He said Smash not Sm4sh. That's all games.
I meant Smash 4. Didn't think I needed to explain that since the thread is about 4
Why do we call it 4? Sakurai refers to it as 5 and the 3ds as 4
>>318040743
just because they are put high up doesn't mean there's as much as a power gap between characters
Sheik is fairly unarguably the best character, but she is not particularly far ahead of the rest of the top, and there's a lot of "mid" characters that are very viable
>>318040805
Sakurai is so fucking autistic, I bet he would love /v/
>>318040805
>I meant Smash 4
Should be more specific.
>>318040870
>>318040743
addendum
>>318040926
>Sm4sh
>long term
>>318040890
He only likes things that everyone can win at, he would hate /v/ and try to add tripping
>>318040971
Sorry, let me conjure up data for 2016 and 2017. Are you retarded?
>>318040926
Why is a shitty fangame on that list? Might as well add some of those shitty Newgrounds Smash clones too.
>>318040986
>He only likes things that everyone can win at
And by doing so he creates a game where the only winning move is not to play.
>>318040926
>That meta Knight dominance
I still don't understand how such a broken character managed to leave the production floor, did Sakurai notice but he didn't care?
>>318041037
Are you? One year is not long term.
I started playing Ness today and I'm seeing win results.
I guess I should take him seriously and main him?
>>318041061
whether you like it or not, it's played competitively so can be compared
>>318041062
exactly, what a great game smash 4 is!
>>318041120
You realized that goes for all the other games, too? One year is all you get for all of them to make them compare to Smash 4. It's the longest term possible.
>>318040902
>Should be more specific.
A thread about the fourth console Smash Brothers game.
>YOU MEAN MELEE RIGHT?
You should be less retarded
>>318040734
well...shit
that tier list reflect how Nintendo treat metroid francise
>>fuck the old fanbase and old games, praise the new waifu-Samus with boobs and ass and FEELS and EMOTIONS
also
>>no 25 year anniversay for Metroid, while even Korby and Luigi had that
FUCK YOU NINTENDO
>>318041202
>You realized that goes for all the other games, too?
Except they used a 2013 tourney there among others if you actually read the fine print.
Even if it was just one year for all in order to compare to Sm4sh for some reason, yes, that would be retarded as fuck.
>>318041272
>and FEELS and EMOTIONS
weird thing about this, ZSS in Smash is one of the most psychopathic looking characters in the game
seriously, why does she constantly look constipated? she never looked that terse in her own games whenever you saw her
>>318041315
What is even the point you're trying to make here? The game has only been out for one year, so the best you're going to get is one year as "long term". If your autism can't take the guy who made that calling it that, then so be it, who gives a fuck.
>>318041241
If you hadn't noticed, more than just Sm4sh is being discussed in here and is discussed in all Smash Brothers threads, which is why when we refer to a Smash we use the specific titles since just saying "Smash" only refers to the series as a whole.
So perhaps you should lurk more newfriend to learn how to use words in threads relevant to certain subjects.
>>318041272
>that tier list reflect how Nintendo treat metroid francise
By making ZSS the second best character in the game?
>>318041338
People wanted their Samus to be a cold badass space hunter, and a cold badass spacer hunter does not smile.
>>318041395
I accept your concession.
>>318041452
Didn't they fix this? Still funny, though.
>>318041338
to be honest, Samus armorless aspect change in every game it appear, she hasn't a canon face or body, exept for ZSS Samus in smash games, and for me, that's not Samus, the close real Samus is the one in Prime 1/2
>>318037842
It sucks all the best characters are the least fun to play against and as
>>318041559
Samus for me is tubes comics samus
Just like how the Space Pirates there are exactly how they are
>both mains are not only in D tier, but right beside each other
leave Lucas and G&W alone
>>318041452
if you think a sexy "naked" hot girl represent what Metroid francise is, then yes, Nintendo treat it in the right way
but the real Metroid is Samus in armor, and it's one of the worst character in smash
also
>>Metroid Prime Federation Force is the first Metroid game in 8 year
>>318041338
>why does she constantly look constipated?
Because her shithole got remodeled.
>>318041516
Don't know, I only have the 3DS version.
But Rob is a qt
>>318041815
Genuinely fun character too, I play Villager and some of my most fun Anther's/FG matches have been against ROB (that matchup is crazy)
>>318041748
>and it's one of the worst character in smash
Because Smash values speed, and power suit Samus is not fast unless she does the super speed thing.
>>Metroid Prime Federation Force is the first Metroid game in 8 year
Pic related
Daily reminder that if you don't play the best character in the game you're a shitter trying to blame your losses on your character.
>Pac-Man Tier: Pac-Man
>Everyone Else Tier: Everyone else
fact
I always thought Falcon could do better, but the people who play him are next level faggots so he never did well in practice.
>mfw everyone thought Mega Man was one of the shittiest characters in the game starting even from the demo, and he has slowly risen to being a nice middling character I can play without having to struggle ineptly to win with, or feel bad about stomping people with
now if only people who get pissy whenever they fight a character with projectiles would off themselves
>>318042062
>now if only people who get pissy whenever they fight a character with projectiles would off themselves
I get this so much, especially of all the fucking FG Captain Memecons around (who definitely has a bad matchup against projectiles, but fucking hell, you and a thousand others play that character so I can predict everything)
>>318040926
>>318041092
I skipped Brawl. Was he really that bad?
>>318042275
Yes
Almost all of his moves were transcendent, which meant they always have priority. He's broken as fuck.
>>318042275
Yes
>>318041452
R.O.B.'s angry eyes are without a doubt the best thing added in 4
>>318042381
Also long reach, strong ko power and very hard to kill.
>>318042062
I don't really mind Mega Man's projectile game. Even though I've been absolutely bodied a couple of times by a wall of projectiles I simply can't say that it wasn't an excellent execution from the part of the player.
Samus can be a bit more annoying when she gets spammy, but it isn't that bad.
I just can't get mad at a Pac-Man.
Duck Hunt Dog's entire existence is based on projectiles, but is still fine to play against, can tricks are hilarious to lose against.The ultimate projectile faggotry will always belong to Toon Link, there's something about him that makes him a thousand times worse than regular Link, and I like Toon Link games.
>>318042795
It's the boomerang, it comes out so fast and so hard to avoid
>playing as Ryu fighting a small character like Pika
BOY I LOVE ONLY HAVE 3 MOVES THAT CAN HIT
>>318042795
It's too bad too because good Toon Links are really fun to watch, lots of confirms from bombs.
>>318041952
just because other francise are treated worse than Metroid doesn't mean that Federation Force isn't a big "fuck you" to all the Metroid fans
i will complain the same if the next F-Zero will be a pinball spinoff
>>318043459
I dunno, F-Zero pinball could be pretty good. Metroid Prime pinball was, too.
Really, all of Nintendo's dead franchises should just be turned into pinball games.
>>318043550
it could be good, yes, but not if will be the next F-Zero game after 11 years
if Nintendo announce the next real F-Zero in 2016, and after that they announce the pinball spinoff in 2017, that's good, but not otherwise
