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DOA X3
>19K
Marie was the worst thing to happen to Dead or Alive.
So lets say I import the games. We all know they will release the remaining girls as DLC sooner or later. How would I go about getting DLC on a Japanese game?
>>317870908
More like DOA XXX
>>317870908
Yep.
Fuck off with this shit.
Or else the SJW boogeyman will come and say their opinions on things! WoooOOOoo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gL7CDeMIzs
>>317871412
Stop that man.
You spooked the Fuck out of me.
>>317871061
Impressive.
>>317870908
post screenshots while arguing over stupid shit please
Is pole dancing back in?
>>317870908
looks good
will import
will enjoy
Show the whole poster so we can see Marie's butt
This game is inappropriate and should never be released in other countries.
>>317872581
Thanks, mom.
>>317872732
No problem son. Now go shave that neckbeard and sell your fedora.
>X3
Kill yourself
>everyone keked over DOAX3 not being regionalized
cry more nerds
>>317872964
It's all right, you can still get the english asian version
>>317871307
You get a credit card or order Japanese points over the internet, and spend them in the JP console market.
>>317872927
:3c
>>317870908
Won't lie, the first one was fun and I loved the soundtrack. The lesbian fantasies made up maybe 5% of my enjoyment with that game.
No shame.
>>317873040
>>317872964
>being Keked
>>317873047
Would i have to make a Japanese account? or just buy a Japanese PSN card?
>Living in SEA
Feels good that I can just go to my local game store and buy it when it launches without importing.
ᴐuᴐks
>>317873302
You have to make an account, it takes like 2 minutes to set up and you can use a fake name and address. I would recommend doing that now actually, there's some really great free FFXIV themes and a Senran one too.
>>317873302
Make a Singapore account instead.
Their PSStore is in english and it should be easier to find top-up cards for it aswell.
>>317871307
Only get the Japanese version if you can actually understand moon. The Asian version is the one with english subs. As for your question you have to make a PSN account for the region you bought the game for and buy the DLC from that region's store.
>>317873548
>>317873593
Thanks
>>317873593
Thanks for the tip.
>>317871307
what's the likelihood they would do some DOAX3 Complete Edition Disc release later? Though I can't think of any Japanese game which did that.
So what are the minigames confirmed so far?
We told ya.
>ignore sjw they will go away
>topkek
Now enjoy your cuc.kage
>>317871137
Nah son.
I'm glad no one on /v/ is actually going to buy this game.
>>317876309
I got the collector's edition that includes both the PS4 version and the PS Vita version and the oppai mouse pads.
>>317876309
But I am? I've pre-ordered from play-asia.
>>317875931
>ignore hypersensitive reactionaries
>they continue being vocal about petty shit that offends them with impunity
>developers see this and observe that there are very little voices of dissent, so they change their games
People who thought leaving it alone are literally, objectively retarded. Silent majority means shit.
>>317876309
Sjw shill. Poor shill anyway. Try to add something like stupid reasons for example, bye anita..
>>317871137
>First character who doesn't have insanely large breasts
>worst thing
>no Tina
>Marie and Honoka as the poster girls
Absolute garbage
>>317875931
>>317876801
>nobody ignored it
>THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU IGNORE IT
????
>>317876801
/thread
This is why we can't have nice things in /v/ideogames.
Just wait and be silent and look videogames quality collapse
>>317871307
TK has repeatedly said that there won't be DLC for additional characters. I have a feeling that they'll stick by their word, especially since to vote for who gets in, people had to pay actual money. Cause of that, adding in the rest of the cast as DLC would make them look bad.
Are there real people who look forward to this game, or is it a big inside joke?
Why does everyone and their mother have smug Twitter avatars now?
>>317877335
I'm not really interested in xtreme, but the fighting games are another story...
>>317877404
being a smug anime girl is the new in thing
>>317877308
I wouldn't have cared if they had replaced Marie Rose with Tina and released it here. As it is America does not even get invited to the volleyball.
Where were you when a small indie dev attempted to save video gaming?
>>317877149
Are you sure? So where was counter protest that left us in this situation. Dev saw just sjw cry and they took a decision to prevent a boycott. Where was a real protest against this faggottery? I didn't see it link proofs plz
>>317871307
funny the feminists want to target dead or alive NOW as opposed to when this game came out, a literal fucking softcore porn sim where you stare at their tits and take pictures
>>317877493
>where were you when a small indie dev begged for attention?
fixed that for you
>>317876984
>Implying you wouldn't want Marie to sit on your face
Filthy Criminal scum
>>317877149
>Implying they wouldn't false flag instead
Google Meg Lanker Simons, Zoe Quinn vs. Wizard chan
>>317877493
Ok so this guy has a rich family right? There's no way Huniepop earned him enough to throw millions around on trivial shit
>>317877404
>Why does everyone and their mother have smug Twitter avatars now?
2D > 3D at that size
Only way they'd go for a 3D model is if they can pull this CGI shit.
>>317877754
jesus christ
why is she so cute? that outfit...
>>317877308
They said they wouldn't add DLC characters to DOA5.. There is going to be a lot of people asking for other girls as DLC. They would be foolish to not capitalize on peoples Waifu-ism. Honestly the only other character I want in is Lei Fang to pair with Hitomi.
>>317873330
Yeah, it's cheaper too.
>>317877702
A million sounds about right considering the sales of Huniepop and its kickstarter.
>>317871061
That's OVER 9000 NEW FOLLOWERS!
>>317871137
>Marie was the best thing to ever happen in human history
I agree
>>317878015
she's 18 tho
>>317877754
Those motherfuckers knew what they were doing when they added a pedobait character.
>>317878015
>fags actually think it isn't
>>317871061
Didn't they start at 7k before their first tweet? Now it's closing to 20k.
Anyone have any of the sarcastic tweets from feminists to play asia?
What's their problem /v/? I just dont get it... they don't have to play it if they dont want to, why do they care if someone else wants to play it? It just doesn't make sense to me.
>>317877754
potato
>>317870908
I didn't see too much sameface in DOA5LR but now I can't stop noticing it. They all have the same goddamn face.
>>317877887
Probably because it invokes a similar feeling to a schoolgirl outfit. I don't know the character but I assume she's over 18, and that outfit invokes a certain fantasy. Combine that with her having an appealing face and figure and there you go.
>>317878206
she looks 18 to me
this isn't a korean mmo
>>317878015
>pedophiles
>>317878104
>>317878206
>feminists now think age is just an abstract thing that they get to decide, and not a factual number that they can't just change on a whim based on feelings
>any girl that makes herself appear young in order to attract men is clearly perpetuating pedophilia
This is pathetic.
>>317878363
pixels don't have age, anon
>>317878434
Well yeah, of course, fiction isn't real, which is also something feminists seem to believe.
>>317877404
Because edgy teens think it upsets people.
>>317871137
>Marie was the worst thing to happen to Dead or Alive.
why?
>>317878605
>>317878605
yeah, they're on the wrong side of history, huh?
>>317878605
Or maybe people just think it's funny.
I'm glad to still be among friends on here.
Those last few years i feltISOLATED.
doesn't DoA have guys too? What's the problem?
>>317878605
How would cute animated girls be edgy in any way? Unless it's a specific character like a Demon loli.
>>317878772
DOA Xtreme is generally a "look at the girls from the mainline games" type thing
though I think Zack usually hangs around because he's fucking Zack
>>317878772
men can't enjoy it or it's problematic
>>317870908
dead on arrival
I playing call of duty doesnt make me a sociopathic killing machine, playing doax doesnt make a mysoginistic shitlord either.
You can't have it both way.
Tu ne peux pas avoir le beurre, l'argent du beurre et le sourire de la crémiere.
>>317878914
im offended
>>317878914
these digital girls are more attractive than I am
what should I do?
>>317878512
This. It's a massive cultural difference between the east and the west.
What surprises me though is, in a time when we pretty much have a new terrorist attack every few months, feminists are worried about some sugar coated bikini game from japan, when a game like Fallout 4 grants players the ability to blow people's heads and limbs off and carry around discombobulated corpses...
But no, Fallout 4 is ok, because there is a female option for the protagonist, and it's equal to the male role. and that's all that matters.
Who fucking cares about kids being exposed to such high levels of sadistic gameplay and gore, right? No, girls in bikinis, that's the shit that needs to be censored. That's the real danger.
>>317871061
That guy deserves a bonus.
>>317877929
can someone explain this to me? they look like poorly modeled rubber dolls. is there really good gameplay, or interesting characterization?
>>317879086
Complain on twitter and open up a patreon.
>>317879173
You get to watch cute girls doing cute things on the beach and dress them up.
It's not about the game being good or not anon, its about principles.
>>317879036
>>317879086
just crybully to making the world a better place* on twitter
its all the rage
*only if you agree with our views, otherwise you are a mysogynistic ableist classist racist sexist shitlord who should light yourself on fire and be on the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY
>>317878120
Of course they do. This is Japan we are talking about.
Can't you just skip the hassle of importing by creating a Hong Kong account, get some HK psn money from some online store and buy the game digitally?
>>317878914
I want Marie to sit on my face.
>>317879086
You have two main options:
A) Become more attractive
B) Become a feminist and whine about it (making yourself even less attractive)
>>317878896
oh, it's just fanservice?
sounds lame but I guess the DOA guys aren't all that and they can't put boob physics on themI think?
I don't really understand why anyone would complain about it, it's kinda like buying an horror game and complaining that it's too scary.
>People who are supporting Play Asia out of spite are the ones being manipulated.
>Not the ones throwing a hissy fit, giving them all of the attention on social media and news sites, and threatening to boycott because they used the term SJW.
>>317879109
anyone who thinks it's just about the bikinis then they are clearly not paying attention. read something besides 4chan circle-jerks, please.
>>317879449
some people are just so undesirable and insecure that about it that their first thought is to censor fictional characters
>>317879449
the people that are complaining aren't the people who buy the games, that's the problem.
It's the prudes who can't stand seeing attractive girls in a game who put up a stink and KT just said "nah, fuck it"
>>317879350
Yes. You miss out on a physical copy though.
>>317879550
elaborate
>>317879489
>avatar is himself drawn
These people really are the worst.
Steam release when?
http://www.themarysue.com/play-asia-facepalms/
>>317879449
It all boils down to
>stop liking what I don't like - what you like is offensive.
Is there nudity in this?
Where are the ethics in gaming?
All I see are 14 year old misogynerds trying to keep women from gaming.
>>317879550
I know. There's pool pillow fights, tug battles, water bike races, and beach volleyball too.
What it does not have:
Sex.
>>317879489
support companies that do things right.
a shame play-asia is so much more expensive than some other importing sites.
>>317879296
>principles
Uh... okay.
so, it's more like softcore porn, then? I don't think I understand why Tecmo pulled the game, then. I thought it was more salacious, or something. The last one must have sold like cold shit, if they aren't willing to take the heat and get paid
>>317879592
but DOA has been around since forever
are these people's soccer mom instincts waking up now?
it's always been known for the big boobed girls and the next gen jiggle physics
>>317879794
>All I see are 14 year old misogynerds trying to keep women from gaming.
Though there must be some gamer girl out there who likes to see scantily clad girls with huge tits prancing around the screen. There must be.
>>317879086
uh... don't hang out with diseased nerds who will compare you to a CG doll? even better yet, get some balls (ovaries??) and quit comparing yourself to CG dolls.
>>317879975
these are all the johnny-come-latelies who only play AAA blockbuster releases (if anything) and think they all should carry a heavy feminist message and have black people just to fill a quota
>>317879305
marie is love
>>317879086
I don't compare myself to "male power fantasy" protags because that's a losing battle. I can't compete with likes of Leon, Dante, etc in terms of looks.
So if I make a Singapore account, do I need to change my IP address on my console every time I play?
>>317880351
marie is life
>>317879109
America's tolerance for senseless violence is pretty baffling. A kid can shoot up a school full of kindergarteners, and people just shrug their shoulders. They would rather trade a couple dozen dead kids for the abstract possibility of maybe buying an tool designed solely for mass murder, in the future.
On the Fallout subject, though, games are interactive art. they convey emotion, meaning, and teach cultural values. I think the stories in Fallout are way more valuable than watching some plastic waifus flounce around on a beach.
>>317873302
Hitomi is the greatest archievement this franchise ever reached....god fucking damm!
Who /SaikyouEdition/ here?
>>317880507
Not flat enough.
>>317880507
M A R I E
>>317870908
>X3
fuckoff
>>317879109
>What surprises me though is, in a time when we pretty much have a new terrorist attack every few months, feminists are worried about some sugar coated bikini game from japan, when a game like Fallout 4 grants players the ability to blow people's heads and limbs off and carry around discombobulated corpses...
>Who fucking cares about kids being exposed to such high levels of sadistic gameplay and gore, right? No, girls in bikinis, that's the shit that needs to be censored. That's the real danger.
I agree with the sentiment but it's still bad thinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation
>>317880486
Ofcourse not.
It's as easy as switching freely between your user profiles.
I'll be getting it once it's cheaper. $72 is too much for a fanservice game.
I am assuming the SJWs are high-fiving each other. They have won.
Even though I am a grown ass man that can make decisions for myself and would not bother anyone, fucking politics had to be inserted into this.
You know who suffers? Only the weebs like me that wanted to play this game. I am well aware of the critisisms of the series but I enjoyed the other games. And who cares other than me? Who will have a heart attack that I enjoyed myself on my free time?
Forget it - I am grateful for an english sub release. I hope Asia releases with subs become more common so I never have to care about a situation like this again.
>>317880524
> A kid can shoot up a school full of kindergarteners, and people just shrug their shoulders
No, the Democrats will start calling for gun control, and it'll be a contentious issue until the next midterm election.
>>317880634
lol you're retarded.
>>317880610
Does she use the handcuffs on herself or you is the question
>>317871137
Agreed
>>317880634
>>317870908
When is this game going to get nipples?
>>317879109
I generally agree, but I want to clarify a few things. Violence in games doesn't really matter either. Feminists, SJWs, politicians, etc. (the self-appointed nannies of the world, basically) always use this as an excuse to try to get games banned; the thought that some kid might play a game and then go try to emulate what he saw in the game. In reality this simply isn't what's happening. Very few people are that stupid, and I think there's a lot of projection coming from the feminists when they say that people might try to emulate what they see in a game. I'm not stupid enough to do that, and even as a kid I always had a strong concept of fiction VS. reality.
Furthermore, violence is actually very rarely done in games for the sake of violence. Violence is used as an excuse for the player to run, fight, hide, etc. without those concepts, there would be no "game". Every game would just be like Tetris or Animal Crossing or something. There has to be some sort of threat of danger for most games to be fun; there has to be a way to die, there has to be an enemy that needs to be killed or otherwise forced to stop. Of course, there are some games that glorify violence, but this still isn't really a problem because ultimately it's just fiction. The devs aren't telling you to go do that or something. They're not condoning that sort of behavior.
Also, the objectification of women in gaming is also a myth. Literally everything within every game is simply a fictional object for the player's amusement. It would be so fucking retarded if we had all these rocket launchers and machine guns at our disposal, but women were treated as human beings in these games where everything else is simply a toy for our amusement.
Feminism in gaming is literally nothing more than a series of strawman arguments, insane paranoia, the belief that fiction is real, the desire to control others, and a core misunderstanding of the concept of gameplay.
>>317880775
I hope on me.
>>317876309
You bet your ass I'm going to buy it
I don't even have a PS4 yet, but between STRAP SLIPS and play-asia's hilarity, they've earned my money. I'll have to get a PS4 eventually to play Nier 2 anyways.
>>317879794
Funny twist on reality, when it's actually feminazis who are trying to keep guys from getting this game.
I don't see how releasing a game like DOAX3 would keep female gamers off the market. Nobody is forcing you to buy it. Taking away somebody else's choice because you have some sort of sick disgruntled hate towards the genitalia of the opposite sex.
>>317880524
I have never seen somebody show a more complete lack of understanding than this post.
>>317877702
>Trivial
He'd make more than a million back, easy.
>>317880562
I did DOA friend.
>>317878363
>feminists now think age is just an abstract thing that they get to decide
I'd say "you gotta be joking" but honestly, at this point I'd believe anything about them.
Citation needed either way.
>>317880524
It always pains me to see you people who are pro-free speech but you don't think you should be able to shoot someone if they break in your house and try to kill you.
>>317880634
its Dead Or Alive Extreme 3 not an emoticon face you stupendous troglodyte
>>317880939
>a core misunderstanding of the concept of gameplay
no one who cared about gameplay would be trying to get any videogame banned from sale.
fun wreckers just need fun to wreck.
>>317879701
The idea, I admit, it a little weak, when applied to this game. Humanity has a habit of treating women like objects to be employed and exploited. Which is stupid because women are not much different for men, when you ignore their physical bodies. So, if you can agree that making fun of someone for a trait they can't change is immoral (calling blacks niggers, saying jewish people are all cheap and sneaky) then devoting an entire piece of work to making women look like brainless puppets who prance around to be stared at is also immoral.
I mean, that's the whole argment around giving female characters agency. Lara Croft is a celebrated character (minus her stupid huge tits) because she is the star and driving force of her game series. female fighting game characters generally get a pass because they are just as stylized and violent as the male characters. Rainbow Mika has a pretty big ass, and pretty small underwear, you know...
It's not the bikinis. it's the fact that the DOAX girls are basically house cats that you stare at and poke when you are bored.
again, a small thing to get pissed about. I really wonder why Tecmo wussed out on it
>SJWs try to ban game
>SJWs cant touch Japan because theyre all amerifat tumblrinas and glorious nippon doesnt give a shit
>game is still going to be available in english
>SJWs try to boycott websites that are selling it now
wew laddy
I WANT TO COMMIT A CRIME
>>317881163
I'm the guy you responded to. I wish the post that was deleted was still here. Basically Marie is 18 but the guy (or more likely, bitter female feminist) was saying Marie is still pedobait or something (I forget exactly what xe said).
I mean the butthurt is just staggering. Every time something like this happens I assume it's some girl in her 20's who didn't get laid as a teen and now spends her days trying to get men to stop enjoying young girls.
>>317881453
SJWs don't even know what a boycott is. For something to be boycotted, you would have to be part of the people who were planning to buy the item in the first place.
It would be like if I said I was gonna boycott Bath & Body works, and I'm a fucking 24 year old guy who never shops there.
>>317880726
You are late to the party, man. that kid shot up that kindergarten years ago. Dems did call for gun control. nobody budged.
>>317881078
care to elaborate?
>>317873548
Won't the downloaded content be locked to that account? I have the demo for Eyes of Heaven on my console, and I can't access it without the account that downloaded it.
>>317881448
I'll never understand why this is the problem area, you put in enough thought that you came to the conclusion that it is immoral to make a game about women bouncing around half naked. During that train of thought you didn't hop off at PORN? All porn (not featuring humans maybe, just to narrow it down) is immoral. All hentai, echi, hell even gay porn or tranny porn. Why video games?
It's because nobody else will take your ludicrous worldview seriously.
>>317873593
Making a Singapore account right now. What do I put for the Postal code?
>>317881453
>Japan doesn't care about us
>Based Hong Kong chinks make multi languages version and sell it online.
>>317881448
Are you even aware that the DOA girls aren't real people?
I could relate to this whole argument if this was some real modeling company exploiting real humans, but this is goddamn fiction. It's pure fantasy. Nothing more and nothing less. The reason people in Japan aren't interested in a moral debate about this is because to them the difference between what is fantasy and what is reality is crystal clear.
>>317881448
fiction != reality.
learn the difference.
>>317881448
Women are fundamentally different than men. Women aren't men and therefore should not be treated like men.
>DOAX girls are basically house cats that you stare at and poke when you are bored
Even if that were true, so what? They're not fucking real.
>>317881906
Not really, you showed in your post that you don't understand firearms, US firearm law, US cultural views on sexuality and nudity, or even rudimentary logic. I didn't go to school to be a professor so no, I don't want to teach you how to be not retarded.
I'd rather talk about video games.
>with the rise of video games came a drop in violent crime
>people who would normally be bored and have to resort to violence to get their kicks can now just play video games; beating each other up and shooting each other in games instead of in real life
>likewise, with the rise of the internet and easily accessible pornography, rape statistics have gone down
>feminists constantly demanding restrictions on video games, the internet, porn, etc. while claiming to want less violence and less rape
Makes perfect sense!
>>317881448
>DoA shouldn't exist because pixels have rights too!
>>317881448
>DOAX girls are basically house cats that you stare at and poke when you are bored
Where's the problem in this. is it in the fact that they're housecats or is it the fact that they're girls or what?
>>317881448
>Humanity has a habit of treating women like objects to be employed and exploited.
See:
>>317880939
>Also, the objectification of women in gaming is also a myth. Literally everything within every game is simply a fictional object for the player's amusement. It would be so fucking retarded if we had all these rocket launchers and machine guns at our disposal, but women were treated as human beings in these games where everything else is simply a toy for our amusement.
>>317882074
I forgot. Pretty sure I just pulled some addresses from Google.
When I made my Japan account for instance I just put in one of the addresses for Sony-Japan.
>>317882280
>>317882238
>>317882104
This is something that doesn't add up for me. If playing a game like this influences my behavior when dealing with women, that shows (or is supposed to show) that I am incapable of distinguishing reality from fiction/fantasy. Now if that were the case (I'm relatively sure its not) wouldn't it be rather more important to address the rampant violence in games, over these sexism qualms?
>>317882346
>I'd rather talk about video games.
Obligatory remark about how we don't talk about vidya here
>>317881178
no one is arguing against self defense. the issue is with the proliferation of military weapons and tools of mass killing. shit like high capacity magazines, for example. if a guy breaks into your house, a shotgun is fine. it works just as well as an AR-15 with full auto and a drum magazine. People want cry about street violence and the need for concealed carry, when pepper spray is just as effective as a .45. (provided you are upwind, anyway...)
the thing that gun advocates fail to address is that criminals don't buy guns. they steal them. because they are criminals. who do they steal them from? retards who think they need an AR-15 and 500 rounds of ammo. Who don't leave their guns in the safe with a trigger lock.
It is, apparently, tricky to figure out how many burglaries get stopped because the homeowner had a gun, but best estimates point to a pretty small number. fewer than the number of people killed by crime, mass shootings, accidental shootings, and gun suicide
>>317882479
dont mind him
he is just Slut Shaming those virtual woman
>>317882074
Singaporean here. You can try putting in a random 6 digit number.
Otherwise, try
>>317882691
>>317881448
>DOAX girls are basically house cats
No, that would make them more attractive than they already are.
Are you on a moral crusade to ban fictional things that offend you?
>>317882696
Exactly. Yet nobody is petitioning for Fallout 4 to be censored or removed.
>>317882074
I am not sure if the postal code is tied to your credit card's billing address though.
>>317879489
>Tecmo: We have no plans to release this game because backlash blah blah blah
>Me: It's probably because SocJus had a hissy-fit over DOA5. Shame, I wanted to pick it up...
>Play-Asia: You could buy the Asian version from us. It's region free and in English
>Me: I think I will!
>SocJus: LOL! So manipulated! You're just doing to this to spite us!
>>317882030
I think Tecmo is taking my worldview seriously, because they canceled the game!
also, don't assume that the focus is just on one tiny area, rather than all of society. you need to let go of this persecution complex. Also, learn to nuance.
like I said, its not about women flouncing around half naked. Nobody is crying about Rainbow Mika's huge, naked butt. they cry when she smacks it, because that is gratuitous and vulgar. the fact that it is clearly exposed while beating the shit out of Vega is not an issue.
Porn is not immoral. video games are not immoral. depicting women as brainless dolls is immoral. unless the woman volunteers for it. like, if the DOAX were about women doing something interesting and exciting, while pretending to be brainless dolls, part time. in fact, I would probably buy that game.
again Agency, anon. AGENCY
>>317883232
this_to be_honest_family.jpg
Not even gonna buy the game, but literally the only difference between KT's response and Play-Asia's tweet is the use of the acronym SJW. And I'm to believe I'm being manipulated by Play-Asia if I were to buy it?
Fuck off.
>>317882752
Thanks for the (You)
>>317882832
The facts don't agree. You're reacting to something that is statistically negligable because you were told its scary by some poloticians. Of 12,664 murders reported by the FBI in 2011 (most recent year) 6,220 were committed with standard capacity handguns.
Rifles accounted for 323 of the murders, with all rifles lumped into that category including bolt action, semi auto, lever, pump, and single. It is safe to assume that not all of these rifles had high capacity magazines.
>It is, apparently, tricky to figure out how many burglaries get stopped because the homeowner had a gun, but best estimates point to a pretty small number. fewer than the number of people killed by crime, mass shootings, accidental shootings, and gun suicide
The CDC reported, and I quote, “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”
So yeah it would be hard to find them if you intentionally avoid learning about them.
>>317882832
>when pepper spray is just as effective as a .45
except criminals will intentionally spray themselves with it to build a tolerance
not even tasers are effective for stopping people under the influence of certain drugs
and the kind of person that would commit a home invasion is likely not in a sane state of mind (which is why you shoot first rather than trying to announce your presence or rack the pump on a shotgun because they may decide to charge at you).
and limiting the size of a magazine does nothing except punish law abiding gun owners, because they're the only ones that would obey the law, a criminal isn't going to use a low capacity magazine because it's against the law, in the same way a criminal isn't going to stay out of a "gun free zone" to commit a mass murder
vast, vast majority of mass shootings take place on gun free zones, by the way, because it's easy pickings
and vast majority of gun crime/homicides via firearm are committed with handguns, not that AR-15 that they can't conceal
>>317883232
Meanwhile, over at the Boardroom:
>Play-Asia: Techmo, our collaborative efforts to market and sell this product is going better than expected! We should do this more often!
>Techmo: I agree!
>>317882104
>>317882238
because if fiction didn't affect feelings and thoughts, then it would not exist. Porn damn sure would not exist. the fact that a silhouette of two figures having sex can turn people on is proof that abstractions can affect people.
if this game didn't affect your feelings and thoughts, then why do you want it? Infants don't give a shit about images moving on a screen. they know it's not real, and non-reality is not useful to them. you want it because of how it affects you. it also affects other people. maybe not in the same way. maybe in a bad way
>>317883435
I don't fell persecuted, so do with that what you will.
Something that is not alive cannot have agency, are not familiar with the way that works?
If depicting women as brainless dolls is immoral, than is depicting a man being shot immoral?
>>317879489
>>317882626
>>317882562
I get the feeling that you aren't trying to understand, but just want to defend your argument. I am trying to be reasonable, and would really like to have an honest discussion about this
>>317883832
This devalues your argument and makes it seem petty under the looming issue of video game violence.
>>317883832
That's why kids shoot up schools after playing video games, right?
You're essentially saying we should ban all works of fiction you personally find offensive, what a joke.
>>317882832
This is all so incredibly wrong. I guess you believe whatever stats you hear on the mainstream media in whatever country you're from.
>no one is arguing against self defense.
Really? Because preventing people a way of defending themselves is denying them a means of self-defense. What you just said is the same type of doublethink feminists use when they try to get things banned or censored, but don't want it to be seen as such.
>the issue is with the proliferation of military weapons and tools of mass killing.
They're not military weapons in most cases.
>shit like high capacity magazines, for example.
Criminals don't obey the law. Restrictions on magazine capacity would make it so that people who obey the law now have lower magazine capacities, and people who don't obey the law still have access to whatever they want.
>if a guy breaks into your house, a shotgun is fine. it works just as well as an AR-15 with full auto and a drum magazine.
You are offering an alternative, with no solid reason to take that alternative. What if someone wants to use an AK or an AR? Why do they have to use a shotgun? I will also point you to the countless youtube videos of small framed people and women trying to use shotguns.
>>317884158
>People want cry about street violence and the need for concealed carry, when pepper spray is just as effective as a .45. (provided you are upwind, anyway...)
Threatening or taking their life is more effective than pepper spray which just irritates the eyes. They can still hurt you if you use pepper spray. I know you will try to contest this point but shooting them is non-negotiably a more effective solution than pepper spray. If I was going to arm someone to defend themselves, I'd arm them with a gun, not pepper spray, because the gun is the better weapon.
>the thing that gun advocates fail to address is that criminals don't buy guns. they steal them. because they are criminals. who do they steal them from? retards who think they need an AR-15 and 500 rounds of ammo. Who don't leave their guns in the safe with a trigger lock.
No, this is what gun-control advocates fail to address. We know criminals break the law. Gun control advocates believe that placing legal restrictions on guns would affect the criminals, when it actually only affects the law abiding citizen.
>It is, apparently, tricky to figure out how many burglaries get stopped because the homeowner had a gun, but best estimates point to a pretty small number. fewer than the number of people killed by crime, mass shootings, accidental shootings, and gun suicide
americangunfacts.com
>Every year, guns are used over 80x more often to protect a life than to take one!
Not that this will change your mind. You've already made up your mind and that's why you started thinking of an excuse of how your will respond to this, instead of considering the possibility that maybe it's right and actually bothering to check.
It never ceases to amaze me, you Europeans who know nothing about guns yet have to stick your noses in our business and judge Americans about it constantly, just like feminists in gaming.
>>317883786
Meanwhile, in the real world:
>literally the only people unhappy with this arrangement are the SJWs
>>317883619
I will have to look up that CDC quote. The Washington Post seemed to have some trouble finding it.
>>317883832
Then we should ban violent games, anon.
Your argument is exactly the same thing as Jack Thompson from the 90's. A normal person can see the difference between reality and fiction, but because there might be some crazy person out there who might conceivably take it seriously, we need to ban everything forever.
Why no Marie?
>>317884103
Basically what you're implying is that there's no other option than to agree with you. If we don't agree with you, clearly we don't understand your argument.
>>317882832
>pepper spray
sounds like a good way to turn a rape into a murder
how about just shooting them in the head instead?
>>317884284
>I will have to look up that CDC quote. The Washington Post seemed to have some trouble finding it.
In other words, you're going to pretend you didn't hear it, remain intentionally ignorant, and continue using your misinformation. Well no such luck. Here you go.
http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1
>game journalists pros group trying to throw their "Weight" around
>literally no one cares
>they update their articles 15 times pretending its a hot button issue
>literally no one cares
>>317884520
No anon, if you're taking down an attacker you go center body mass. This is CC 101.
>>317884284
>I won't believe it unless it comes from The Washington Post
>>317884284
>The Washington Post
>CDC Study
Make sure when there is a perfectly good study out there that you view it though the lens of your favorite biased news source instead of reading it yourself!
>>317871412
Keep getting upset by boobs.
It only makes us stronger.
>>317884757
You're going to be shooting point blank if it's a rape, but yeah, you're right.
>>317884914
>It only makes us harder
FTFY
>>317875931
>SJWs whine
>people do the opposite of ignore it
>people join in solidarity to support the company standing up against them
>>317881005
This. I doubt I would have even bought the game before today.
>>317884103
I'm not any of those anons you replied before.
I'm still confused as to why you seem to be against fictional characters be like housecats.
>>317884914
As a guy who is often rejected by women, I have to say there is nothing more satisfying and empowering to me than seeing a feminist moan and complain about men enjoying young women. That proves to me that they are even lonelier and more bitter than me.
Keep whining about men enjoying young girls, feminists. You're literally empowering the patriarchy when you do it.
>>317871412
Since when have they ever been capable of holding an arguement?
You'll know they're here as their tactic of dealing with threads like this is posting bestiality to get it deleted.
>>317885018
>literally untreated paranoid schizophrenia
>yfw 20k followers
>>317885010
Oh shit thanks, my bad.
>>317885018
>people who don't agree with me politically do all this random bullshit I accuse them of that doesn't even really make sense
Holy fucking shit is this really the best argument SJWs can produce?
>>317883435
>Porn is not immoral. video games are not immoral. depicting women as brainless dolls is immoral
and you honestly believe that in a franchise where the girls are into high-level competitive martial arts one day, and dancing around in a bikini the next, that their personal choice in this isn't implied?
I think people with your world view think you know what Japanese culture and moral is all about, but you're judging it based on a judeo-christian point of view on which western society is based.
The idea that their views on portrayal of females in game are inherently wrong, is probably because you lack the capacity to understand, relate to, or respect their culture and views on this matter.
Again, in Japan there is a clear separation between reality and fiction. To them it's nothing more than fiction and entertainment. Nothing that has anything to do with real life, or real people.
Something that seems ever so clear to us in the west when dealing with a character like Batman. A grown-ass man who dresses up in an armored Halloween costume to beat up and scare criminals, who also hires underage boys to follow in his footsteps.
If Robin was a girl though, you would probably scream bloody murder about the costume with the green underoos and the pixyboots.
You don't ever hear anyone discuss the problem that Batman presents, convincing kids that beating people up in a costume is how you solve problems, or that Bruce Wayne looks like the absolute perfect human male.
>>317884103
I genuinely don't understand. Can you explain to me why fictional things, any fiction things should, be censored?
>>317883832
Everything you said can very easily be explained as -
Well yes.
Fiction affects us.
But in what way?
No harm, no foul.
>maybe in a bad way
This is begging the question. And this is where you need to stop.
>>317885018
I think this guy does need help for real.
>>317885018
>based on the past 12 hours
Oh you mean the follow milestones and Smug Anime girls triggered you?
What kind of social retard spends $60 on this trash. It's not even a porn game. What's the point? Fucking pathetic.
>>317883435
>depicting women as brainless dolls is immoral
Begging the question.
>>317884267
Meanwhile in the bathroom..
>Tecmo: Oh oh fuck fuck yeaaa!!!
>Play-Aisa: Dude...
>SJW: HAHAHAHA
>Me: 0_0
>>317884478
I get that people can disagree. that's fine, and I would like people to disagree with me because I need to know if my ideas are right, or not. These arguments aren't good arguments, though. they nitpick individual words and don't address my actual argument. or, just ignore the things I said entirely.
>>317885451
Calm down autismo
>>317883435
>depicting women as brainless dolls is immoral.
Do you even fucking care that this is a strawman argument? You are accusing the developers of putting such a message into their game, which is clearly not what they are trying to convey.
Your entire argument falls apart because of this, but I'm sure you'll waste both of our times with some shitty excuse for you to continue believing it. God forbid that you actually consider the possibility that you're wrong.
>>317885653
neat ad hominemfaggot
Do you even know where you are?
>>317885719
Have you ever heard of, "proof by assertion," "argument ad lapidem," and,
"begging the question?"
Because that is your entire argument/counter argument structure.
>>317885719
No, sorry, I specifically addressed and refuted your argument, and now you're just saying that it isn't a good argument. You're also making a clear effort to argue about the argument to get away from the specific points, which you were clearly wrong about.
>>317885451
NO ONE THINKS THESE THINGS ARE REAL UNLESS THEY ARE MENTALLY ILL
NO ONE
NOT IN THE WEST
NOT IN THE EAST
DO YOU THINK BATMAN IS REAL?
WHAT IN THE FUCK
>>317885905
He probably hasn't. Just tell him to take a introductory logic course.
>>317885973
I'm getting that too.
He's very much trying to weasel out of this
>>317885842
Yeah and not every one on 4chan jerks off to clothed Chinese cartoon girls. Been here for 7 years friendo and I still only jerk off to actual porn
>>317883832
Hey guess what, evil people existed 1000 years ago too, they didn't have media to affect their feelings and thoughts, maybe human beings are complex creatures whose personalities and behaviours form over time due to society influences, parenting, education, close human relations, religion, etc, maybe.
>>317886126
I'm so sorry to hear that.
>>317885905
>begging the question
Not him, but can someone explain what this means exactly, and provide an example (especially examples from this thread would be helpful)? I know about fallacies but this is one that I don't understand.
>>317885719
What is your argument?
We should ban fictional things? First you need to prove these things actually effect the real world in a meaningful way. Until then, you don't have an argument at all.
>>317884589
thats a good resource
>>317886126
>I still only jerk off to actual porn
You say that like you deserve a medal for it.
>>317886126
You'll understand when you're older.
>>317886368
>You say that like you deserve a medal for it.
That's why I don't like normies. If we're going to award medals to people for what they jerk off to, wouldn't it be better to award the people who have jerked off to strange, disgusting, disturbing things, and things that simply aren't normal?
>>317884313
I don't think banning art is a good idea. It is a lot better to limit the market penetration, or to alter the work. or to just educate the audience about the context and value of the work so they won't get carried away by the impact of the violence.
I mean, I love playing Borderlands 2. I find the violence comical and cathartic, but I don't think that's what my 10 year old nephew is getting out of it. he consumes nothing but violent video games, and I think its messing with his head. its all he talks about. more importantly, I don't think he is catching the more sophisticated content of those games. he doesn't understand the lore, or get the character interaction, or understand the game mechanics. Also, when he is playing COD, or GTA, he isn't playing games that he would understand and be better served by, like stuff on his 3DS. So, he isn't getting the "adult" stuff in the adult games, and he isn't getting the good stuff in the kiddie games. He is just getting mindless violence.
that's not the game's fault, to be sure. there are a lot of forces at play, and they all need to be addressed. INCLUDING the game publishers, themselves.
And don't get all autistic on me and think this post is just about a single 10 year old boy. it is a parable for the gaming market, as a whole. Maybe /v/ only cares about its insular little world, but outside there are people trying to build a more just, and enjoyable society. they will push all the buttons and pull all the levers they can reach, to make this happen. No one is doing this just to screw with you. they probably don't even know /v/ exists.
inb4 someone makes some completely unfounded assumptions about my sister's mothering skills and moral character. possibly calling her a whore
>>317886306
GODDAM I forgot how funny that shit is
>>317886280
>can someone explain what this means exactly, and provide an example (especially examples from this thread would be helpful)? I know about fallacies but this is one that I don't understand.
Begging the question is very simple to understand.
Take for instance if I were to assert something without proof and then go on an argument and use that statement as part of my argument.
Like say that, "depicting women in media as anything but in a positive way is immoral" would be begging the question; I haven't proven what I said is true. In fact, what is moral and immoral is not 100% objective. It's a subjective opinion and from person to person, it's different. So, to use it in an argument to prove something isn't possible.
But that's just using that as an example.
Another example might be. "Because the pope has 30 dead rats under his hat, we know that he has some kind of disease for sure."
I'd be begging the question.
>>317886628
That's because he has shitty parents. It is not the job of a governing body, or a video game company to raise him. If your family wasn't so self absorbed his parents would probably talk with him about it, but you already display the "I need somebody to protect me" attitude in your arguments.
>>317886628
You are missing the point of why you 10yrs old nephew is playing those games.
Is the kid parents fault. Not the videogames or society fault.
>>317884589
>http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1
holy shit, this thing is 110 pages
