Do synths deserve to live?
Why would the institute create sapient beings just to enslave them?
What was the point of synths anyway?
>>317524396
>Perpetuating the threat of AGI
They deserve to be scrapped as viscerally as possible.
>>317524396
Occasionally.
If sentient, yes?I mean, the human body is a machine itself, just far more complicated and made of flesh and blood
i went with the institute because that sjw whore from the railroad pissed me off.
>>317524396
HATE SYNTHS
>>317525002
So should Gen-3 synths that match the same physical restrictions as a human with the only mechanical parts being their brainstem?
>>317525002
If it's sentient, that's all the more reason to destroy it.
Being a BoS weenie, I say kill all synths.Except Danse. ;_;7
>>317525042
>SJW
Well, I can't argue with you on the basis that I'd rather see you working a railroad through the Rockies, you gook.
>>317525283
Except who?
>>317524396
What's a synths?
>>317525002
Humans were created by God and are instilled with a part of His divinity. Synths are abominations and are an insult to God.
>>317525345
Enjoy this spoiler.Paladin Danse. He's the guy you talk to in order to join the Brotherhood. Turns out he's a synth, but doesn't know it. He wants you to kill him when he finds out.
>>317525179
Why the fuck not, sounds like some bethesda writing to me.
>>317525256
Also all the more reason to keep it alive, once you give something sentence a hue plethora of morality bullshit and "when do things deserve rights" are going to rush out of the floodgates
cant wait till it happens in real life.
>>317524396
Yes.
They're human enough that they should be treated as human. The only reason the Institute is shitty about them is because they want the free labor they can treat like shit from their literal ivory tower
>>317525398
>Humans were created by God
Not in Fallout.
>>317525473
And rightfully so. Glad he had his head screwed on right.
What about gen 1 and 2s?
>>317525398
why doesn't the big man do something about it himself then if he's so insulted
>>317525868
It comes down to a question of being self aware
>>317525868
>i'm not comfortable with drawing the line anywhere so why even try
>>317524670
At first it was just SCIENCE and the pursuit of it, but automatons have their use for basic human tasks and the Institute saw that.
The sentience, life-like appearance, and whole covert infiltration thing is the result ofthe institute deciding that the wasteland would be better off with their own humans in place instead of real humans
How about that fucking synth manufacturing machine, though? That's some serious technology.
>>317524396
>Do synths deserve to live?
>live
There not even alive in the first place.
They are tools not living beings, so no.
>>317524618
>Why would scientists in the Fallout universe do something stupid?
Does Victor deserve to live?
>>317525473
To be honest this is one of the only quests that made me pause for a second. Sentient synths should live, massacre the rest.
Nick does.
Most are just mindless drones though
>>317526129
HOWDY PARDNER
>>317525002
You can't tell if they're even sentient. Philosophically speaking you can't even tell if people around you are sentient.
Why should they be allowed to live? They're man-made machines capable of destroying and occupying the entire wasteland for themselves. Incredibly dangerous. They we're created by man, they're not natural.
>>317524396
Curie is real to me
>>317525002
No, you see humans have a soul, robots do not.
>>317526227
Curie has your son's DNA
>>317524670
Basically Bethesda realized how bad they fucked up by killing off the Enclave, who were the only cool bad guys from the series. So, rather than do something smart, like bringing the Enclave back and this time letting you side with them, they did something gay.
That gay was The Institute, an underground organization of scientists who had no reason whatsoever to be evil, to manipulate people on the surface, or to create a slave-army of sentient robots.
They did all three of those things anyway, because otherwise there would be no plot. The Synths were there because we needed a disposable cheap adversary to fight, and it didn't make any sense for the Institute to send actual humans to fight you--they wouldn't have the numbers for it.
>>317526179
it was kinda weird to see that Nick is a synth
>HEY WE'RE AFRAID OF SYNTHS HERE IN DIAMOND CITY EVEN THE NEWSPAPER WAIFU WRITES ARTICLES ABOUT THE INSTITUTE TAKING PEOPLE WE'RE AFRAID OF SYNTHS
>oh, Nick being a synth?
>lmao who cares
>>317525919
He did, he send me to destroy them all in his name.
>>317524396
Only the pretty ones.
>>317525746
Fallout takes place on Earth. God created all humans on Earth. This is a fact.
>>317526129
Stop following me, robot.
>>317525956
Explain why being "self aware" matters at all.
Nick Valentine is my favorite companion, so I certainly want him to live.
>>317526320
It's because he saved the mayor's daughter.
>hot damn
is there anyway of making high level support beams of some sort?
floating walkway looks shit but is practical
>>317525919
He did. It's called the Brotherhood of Steel.
I really fucking hate Father for insisting they don't have feelings when they so obviously do. There's just no good factions in this game. The only faction that didn't treat synths like absolute scum are retarded, kidnap then and wipe their memory and send them off to be raiders.
>>317524670
To make an analogy to make you feel like you were fighting actual against slavery.Kill Whitey
>>317526360
You better have a single fact to back that ass up. And the "Fallout Bible" existing doesn't mean anything, it's non canon.
>>317526429
And Mayor is a synth, too
>>317526129
victor is special, I'd never kill him.
>>317526294
Aw fuck.
![1429797790417.webm_snapshot_00.04_[2015.11.07_22.45.29].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/A9tgh70.jpg "1429797790417.webm_snapshot_00.04_[2015.11.07_22.45.29].jpg")
>>317525746
>Not in Fallout.
T'ppd.
>>317526434
Just stack concrete floors.
I think, therefor I am
>>317526434
You can try the metal spikes but it'll probably look like shit even in the best case.
>>317525283
>not following your code right down to the last synth take off the power armor you dont deserve it
>>317524618
This. This is what confused me. Why make them that smart? Mr. Handy works just fine. Your own model worked alone for 200 years doing labor it couldn't even accomplish.
>>317526063
I swear to god Guff if you don't shut your fucking mouth I'll strap to you a mana bomb and ship you to Kamigawa.
>>317525868
So what minority are synths a stand-in for? What's Bethesda's agenda here?
>>317526635
Sure you do, you souless tool.
>>317526479
Honestly it is like fucking poetry. At first it's just accusations but then you find the terminal at the Institute.
That along with Nick popping being a synth so old that people didn't shoot him on sight so he could do manual labour for a place to stay while not hiding the fact he's a synth.
>>317526743
>So what minority are synths a stand-in for?
Women.
>>317526664
Because then you couldn't have an ethics conflict in your story!
>>317525398
Funny how humans can do the most fucked up things despite having this so called "divinity"
>>317526360
Well, technically, if you read the original Hebrew, God had his flunkies the Elohim make the world, because he was too busy creating the hedgehog to be bothered with the rest.
>>317526743
>What's Bethesda's agenda here?
Selling 20 million copies.
>>317526664
Everything can be explained by shit writing. We are simply expecting far too much from them.
>>317526664
i wonder if codsworth was scavenging the wasteland for lemon pledge to scrub the floors
>>317526401
It's the difference between humans and animals. If something can be aware of self and ask existential questions. For example, considering "Why am I here?" in the context of the meaning of life.
>>317526748
What makes a human any less of a machine than an android? Your brain is just a series of electrical impulses.
>>317526743
Synths are synths.
Welcome to the future.
Works like Blade Runner are going to be the next Birth of a Nation, only we literally built our own niggers and then gave them the right to vote.
>>317524618
Because, realistically, what the fuck else would you do with them? Drop all PC beliefs about slavery.
>>317526829
The Lord loves you so much that he gave you the gift of free will. The freedom to do evil.
The angels would envy us, if they where allowed to feel envy.
>>317525473
>Feel conflicted
>Tells me he'll do it himself so I'm not compromised in the BoS
Yes they do.
>>317526916
organic chemical reactions to simulate sentience
>>317526916
I already told you, humans have a soul and a spirit, machines do not.
>>317525473
this quest was surprisingly well-written for a Bethesda game desu
>>317526475
Yeah it's called the real Bible.
>>317524396
Only my main mane Nick 2bh pham
>>317524396
I'd even trust a synth before I trust a nigger
>>317527123
What's your definition of a soul?
>>317527123
Fuck off you religious zealot
>>317526913
So you support parrot rights, then
>>317526838
I've been saying that hedgehogs are the key to this from the beginning.
>>317527123
Get the fuck out with that b8 anon
In regards to what makes them (equivalent to) humans) or not, it comes down to whether they truly are self-aware and able to learn independently of their programming. As you said the brain is nothing more than a collective of cells and electrical impulses, despite what Christfags and other such inbreds may claim.
>>317526743
todd want you to be prepared for the inevitable kekold of your gf by him of course.
>>317526664
Actually your Mister Handy if far more advanced that any Synth in the feeling and intelligent department.
Cogsworth is far more human than any Synth. They irony of shit writing.
>>317526743
Crashing this series.With no survivors.
So....what was the institutes master plan?
were they suppose to be evil?
i only saw 2/3 people getting replaced but about 5000 gore bags belonging to the super mutants... i think those guys down in Boston need to rethink their priorities
Am I right in assuming sean is a virgin? Lawl
>>317527072
do companions have perks that let them do dumb shit like this or what? saw piper judo throw a guy out of nowhere
>>317527283
Don't worry anon, because they do not have souls, they cannot burn eternally in pitch black fire for being sinful godless degenerates.
So really, killing them isn't wrong.
I don't know if synths just don't fit well into the Fallout universe or if the whole concept just wasn't executed properly.
Did synths do this?
Why does the Institute insist on using synths? Why make synths with higher and higher level of reasoning? Why use them for infiltration when things like coursers can already up and murder everything? Why does the Institute keep striving to make them more and more human when even Father has a diminutive stance on them? What happens when everyone's replaced by a synth? Will the Institute replace themselves with synths?
I just don't understand the Institute. What do they want?
Instead of having /v/ argue this again, is there some respected forum, debater, paper, ect that has came to a conclusion for the Yes and No sides of the argument that we can compare?
>>317527347
How?
>>317526320
Some people around Diamond city remark on how it's kind of strange to see Nick walking around but a lot of people still trust him
>>317527197
>>317527283
Damn some edgy kids in the house today. What? Did your local priest touch your weewee when you where a child? (a couple of years ago)
>>317527195
Its complicated Anon and I am tired from work. Just read the bible and some medieval philosophy, sorry.
>>317527504
I had that exact same thing happen to me in the that exact same room.
The Institute did nothing wrong. They are just a rehash of the Enclave, and their purpose is to remove all muties with superior gen3 synths.
It just works. The synths are more capable of surviving in the wasteland, and they limit the possibility of War because they aren't selfish humans.
>>317527586
Typical Christscum response.
>>317527504hancock is best buddy.
>>317527431
it's implied that the Institute had been replacing more people with synths than just the half dozen or so you see in the game
remember, with Bethesda games, scale is key. Those aren't villages you see, those are cities with upwards of 10,000 people living in them. That isn't a minor skirmish you just witnessed, that was a full-fledged battle against two warring factions. And it wasn't just two or three people being affected by a certain circumstance, it was about 100+.
>>317527580
Well cogsworth feel sadness, admiration, loyalty, etc. He is capable of love and empathy.
Far more human than most humans actually.
FO4 is just a disappointment story wise considering what themes and characters they had that surround the conflict
there could've been proper interactions and understandings but Bethesda were just too lazy to script it out
>want to join BoS
>but Valentine is my best bro
>>317527683
Yea I can even see that priest penis inside your cute shota boypussy.
Go to bed son you have class tomorrow.
>>317527586
End yourself, your ilk shouldn't be allowed to even have technology
>>317527523
Its Bethesda, don't overthink it or you will drown in plot holes and nonsensical story devices. All you need to know is the Institute is le cold hard science faction.
>>317526479
>>317526773
no he saved a past mayor's daughter
before the mayor now
>>317527669
>Propagated the threat of AGI
The Institute is scum, and so are you.
>>317527523
replace everybody with mind conditioned meatbags aka synths. we dont know that they want to do it for the betterment of mankind or their own selfish desire. But I sure as hell dont trust guys that have a turn off buttons for half the population.
>>317527463
Every NPC humanoid can do those moves. Had a raider do that to me on survival when she killed me so I reloaded spawned a ripper and prolonged her death after killing all her friends.
>>317527504
No, that's just drowned god shenanigans.
>>317527431
They were victims of the bethesda writing department. You can't call them on their bullshit and all the good they promise to do is overshadowed by their repeated and unrepented acts of evil.
>>317527452
He's had his choice of synthetic waifus since he was a teenage. Shaun knew 3D was disgusting.
>>317527504
>yfw you realize that every glitch and bug in Fallout 4 is 100% intentional because it's a synth that's breaking the fourth wall and messing with the programming
>>317527654
It turned out to be two boxes that got smashed together somehow.
>>317527923
Damn son, you mad.
>>317527825
>more human than human
which mean it isnt human.
>>317527683
>>317527918
You both should go to bed desu
Wait wait what Gen is nick? Gen 3 are said to be crazy human like with emotions and all that shit but nick looks like a Gen 1 but with all the features of Gen 3
finished earlier this evening, with about 55 hours in. Went back and played each ending to see if there was anything particularly special about them
>mfw zero explanations as to why the synths were really made, and what the institue's plan was
>mfw all the plot holes in the main story
>mfw forced into WE EXTERMINATE EVERYONE NOW no matter what you do
>mfw the ME3-tier hollow-ass "ending" 30 sec cinematic that's the same no matter what
9.1/10 it was okay. But come the fuck on, Bethesda. I lost interest in the game at the points where I was forced to just go kill everyone and everything just because, regardless of any of my actions throughout the game. After the "ending" this shit just feels even more hollow.
The only almost-good point is the fact that for once I was actually kind of torn between deciding on who to side with... but not for a particularly good reason; just because every option was a trite piece of shit.
>>317527990
ITS
LIKE
POETRY
IT
RHYMES
>>317527504
No, that was Jews
>>317527669
a organization with no concept of damage control to the point of people shitting themselves over synths that resemble commie fear tactics
>>317527825
So does Danse.
>>317528051
More human than "MOST" humans.
Please learn to read.
Literally abominations against God.
REMOVE SYNTH
>>317527990
It just works
wasn't the Institute originally supposed to be a heavily fortified, walled-off part of the wasteland that was virtually impossible to infiltrate due to its sheer amount of defenses? I swear early press information said just that.
>>317528086
Biggest issue was definitely the inability to call people out on/ask everyone questions about what the fuck was going on. Father, what the fuck is up with this whole FEV thing? Father, why the fuck do you kidnap and murder innocent people? Father, why is your entire Institute so fucking sketchy if it really is the best for humanity? Father, why do you continually make more human like synths?
>>317528049
Kek, you can't even put together a proper argument past memes, leave
Why does the Institute have to kidnap/kill people and try to replace them as synths?
Why can't they just make unique synths and release them into the world?
People aren't afraid of the institute boogeyman because they make synths, they're afraid because they're killing people. This is the stupidest shit.
i miss the enclave
Remove allolder gensynth
>>317528086
>mfw the ME3-tier hollow-ass "ending" 30 sec cinematic that's the same no matter what
I don't know who thought this was a good idea. It was like, 2 minutes and didn't explain what factions went on to do or anything.
After 3 and NVs you could sit and think about the future of each group you interacted with and see who you've affected and how or quests you missed.
Here, well, it's like being left with a
>buy our DLC commander shepard
screen
>>317528086
>Lost interest in the game
>Lists blaring flaws
>9.1/10 almost perfect
When are we going to drop this stupid number rating system?
>>317528486
Because humans start wars, that is the whole point of the series. The Institute has the same mindset of the Master from Fallout 1, except better.
>>317528347
>God
The only god left is Atom.
>>317528486
From the looks of things kidnapping to replace people with synths aren't the only reason the kidnap people, I'm not sure if it was ever said but it looks like they kidnapped alot of people for their FEV tests maybe there's something else they're hiding
Nick is a special case. He was a prewar detective who volunteered for the synth program. He wasn't kidnapped and replaced.
>>317528470
It is I think. I haven't played through the whole game yet, but where I'm at so far, the only way you can get into the Institute is by using a teleporter.
>>317528486
they never actually replaced anyone, that was all just spoopy stories the wastelanders told each other. Name one person who got replaced?
>>317528486
Anon are you really expecting any sort of quality writing out of a Bethesda game. Did you even play Fallout 3. Beth has some neat quest writing from time to time, but the majority of their stuff is just dogshit.
>>317528662
>except better
The institute, Shaun, wishes they approached this level of quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-UUTGamYp8
>>317528754
that's not what I meant. earlier on they made it seem like the Institute was literally protected by a giant wall
>>317528793
Mayor McDonough, for one. Also Paladin Danse, and your settlers in settlements can get replaced as well.
How do you save Kent in the Silver Shroud mission? He seems to get killed when I'm halfway through the place all the time
>>317528793
That Arty or Arst or whatever the fuck his name is.
So the Mayor is a synth, right? Didn't find any quests to resolve that storyline in my first playthrough.
>>317524396
That Nick Valentine is a pretty cool guy
>>317528793
Did you not get the fucking shit where there were TWO NPCs WHO LOOKED EXACTLY THE SAME, and one was a synth ordered to kill the real human and take his place?
Because that's a thing that happens.
>>317528749
Wait, why did the institute dump him in a trash heap instead of examining then recycling him. I don't remember them saying they monitored him as an experiment.
>>317528874
They didn't actually get replaced though, thats just people being paranoid. How exactly does the brotherhood flag synths if they have to do a DNA test? What markers are they using? It's all just fear mongering
>>317529001
Now I have to dig two graves.
>>317528874
>and your settlers in settlements can get replaced as well.
HOLY FUCK WHAT?
HOW DO YOU KNOW? AND WHAT HAPPENS IF ONE DOES? DO THEY BURN DOWN MY SETTLEMENT?
>>317528859
Yes, we all know that the Master was a great character, but what I mean is that the Synth plan works better. The Master's plan would have died after a few hundred years.
>>317528894
>fallout 4 has a big map
to save kent near the end i think you have to have vats saved up and quickly activate it to kill the guy about to kill him, then the rest is just luck
>>317526317This, I did the institute ending, the canon ending, and midway through working with them i was like, If they are reclaiming runaway synths, why would the institute be replacing flesh and blood people with synths if all they want to do is stay underground. It doesn't work, you cant have it both ways bethsoft, you cant have a reclusive organization underground building its robots AND have them be the boogey man, it doesn't work. Why have the synth retention bureau track down rouge synths if you plan on replacing all the people above ground with synths anyways.
>>317528894
Convince the dude to kill you first.
>>317529076
Now what's the next step of the masters plan?
>>317529001
oh no, i didn't.
So how does smoking work if Nick has no lungs?
>>317526463
Minutemen master race. We're making the Commonwealth a better place, Anon
>>317528649
It's a meme, you dip.
>>317527123
>denying machine spirits in the game with power armor
>>317529148
>>317529115
I meant I'm in the place, after 2 uses of elevators I just see I failed to rescue Kent, and he gets offed.
>>317529201
pre programmed habit.
>>317524396
>Do synths deserve to live?
That depends, do you think that the master with his army were actually right?
Like with the whole changing people into a superior being and linking everyone mind into a hive mind as to make it so most if not all adversity for humanoid kind would be done away with.
Honestly between the institute and the master, the masters plan is better since one would still retain a actual part of their humanity instead of being a shity robot cyborg thingy
>>317526913
Sure, it matters but it's not even possible to know if the synths are conscious and self-aware.
>Synths ARE conscious and aware of themselves
They're aware of their true power = dangerous
>Synth's AREN'T conscious and lack self-awareness
Kill them all.
>>317529063
There's generally no indication and synth settlers will usually operate normally. Sometimes random shooting may break out among the inhabitants and if the synth is killed you can find a synth chip on them. Also if you have the Awareness perks synth settlers will have natural energy resistance in VATS, though if you randomly kill them without them showing hostility first then the rest of the town will attack you.
>>317529076
>but what I mean is that the Synth plan works better.
I'd like to see Captain Crunch over power a brotherhood base in his road warrior leathers and revolver.
Alright, better plan overall than the masters? Yeah. If only they had a smart person coordinating it.
>>317529132
>institute ending
>canon
lol wat
>>317529201
It doesn't do anything, he obviously can't smoke.
But he smoked when he was still alive, so he does it out of habit.
>>317529063
It happens, and they start killing people in a rampage.
And if you somehow find out before they go on a rampage and kill them, the settlements turns hostile because they see the settler as nothing but a regular person.
>>317529132
Actually, what *is* the point of the institute? Why are they there? Why they do the things they do? Why do they contradict every single thing about them?
>>317529259
you should be able to talk him down or mock him before combat in dialogue.
>>317529328
>humans aware of their true power = keep them all in camps because we know what's best for them
>>317529016
He answers in his dialouge aftert the vault if you ask what he is.
He was an older model so they ditched him.
>>317529159
Crashing this mutie. In a big ol' mushroom cloud sendoff.
>>317529501
Problem is before I even get there he gets killed as I'm going through all the raiders on the way
>>317529334
>>317529416
goddamn, that's actually pretty in depth considering this is a Bethesda game.
How are you supposed to deal with them then? Stealth kill? Assign them to an empty settlement then kill them?
>>317529226
Dont you have a corpse on a pretty chair to masturbate to?
>>317529501
>>humans aware of their true power = keep them all in camps because we know what's best for them
>implying this isn't happening
![i_die___so_that_democracy_may_live_on__by_tempural-d5690bt[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/j3xA53l.jpg "i_die___so_that_democracy_may_live_on__by_tempural-d5690bt[1].jpg")
>>317528480
that's why I just sided with BOS and blew everyone the fuck up. Maxson may be some /pol/ tier zealot, but at least I got straight answers and direction from themminus the complete lack of reason why you would nuke a nuclear reactor that could pmuch save the whole region, instead of taking it over.
Regardless, Liberty Prime is worth it all. PATRIOTISM SUBROUTINES ENGAGED.
>>317529627
Yes.
>>317528894
Come in dressed as Shroud and stay dress. Stay in charcter, then instant VATS. Crits always hit as long as you can target the part.
>>317529483
>Why are they there?
CIT (MIT) professors, students, and staff who hunkered in the buildings basement and started building downwards over generations.
>Why they do the things they do?
They believe the Top side is lost, everyone is as good as dead, so they might as well experiment on and record them so that they may one day pacify the surface.
>>317529483
>Why do they contradict every single thing about them
pic related
>>317529608
send them off to another settler and hope the recruitment beacons dont fuck up.
they dont even go to the end with the idea. You should have been able to tell Father to stop touching your clay.
>>317529483
>Why are they there?
Because they survived the war in their bunker.
>Why they do the things they do?
Because they want to rule the wasteland and see humanity as self-destructive. They wanna rid the world of the Old World and start fresh with Synths.
>Why do they contradict every single thing about them?
Because Bethesda isn't very good at writing plots.
>>317529360
You're the director, Anon. It's all up to the Sole survivor.
>>317529508
>He was an older model so they ditched him.
But why on the surface? I honestly forgot.
DIAMOND CITY SURPLUUUUS
Open 24/7
>>317528793
It does, there's a random event in Goodneighbor where a synth who replaced someone is found and killed by neighborhood watch.
>>317529483
Bethesda hasn't been able to write a compelling or coherent antagonist since Morrowind. Nothing about the Institute makes sense. Their goal is to redefine mankind, but they shun transhumanist exploits like mechanical or genomic augmentation in the name of human purity while manufacturing armies of human lookalikes that are actually much better than average humans. Despite making these synths effectively human in every way save their improvements, they vehemently deny the possibility that they're sentient creatures deserving of free will. Those who object are asked to leave. They've completely forsaken diplomacy after a poorly explained instance partially caused by their own meddling, preferring instead to abduct and terrorize people. Despite their profound collective intellect, they're a bunch of unproductive assholes with no clear goals.
>>317529680
>if something looks like a human, and acts like a human, then its sentient
No.
The fact that literally anyone can reset them or change their personality at a whim makes them nothing more than machines.
All the railroad does is reset and release Synths. That isnt free will, its just letting toasters walk around.
>>317529874
I think his parts weren't compatible with the newest versions of synths so it's not like they could recycle him.
Everyone, throw out your predictions for DLC!
>A post-game DLC ala Broken Steel due to the fact that the endings are so different might be impossible.
>The Master, despite it making no sense would be revived just to pander to nostalgia-fags, the amazing dialogue fight is replaced with "Your a abomination of nature, you must die"
>The Enclave, due to it not showing up at any point in Fallout 4 returns somehow.
>>317529132
>institute ending, the canon ending
Uh no.
The most likely cannon ending is the Minutemen.
>>317529726
Before I even get to that NPC Kent gets killed though
>>317530001
> they're a bunch of unproductive assholes with no clear goals
sounds like most research groups honestly.
>>317529772
>They believe the Top side is lost, everyone is as good as dead
But they are not, I mean top side does actually pretty well for themself, actually the one that is destroying the Top side IS THE FUCKING INSTITUTE THEMSELFS.
>CIT (MIT) professors, students, and staff who hunkered in the buildings basement and started building downwards over generations.
But why? For fun? Are they doing it for the sake of doing it? Who is funding them?
>>317529841
It'd be nice to see that in a dialogue, but you'd need a karma or better faction system to have that.
I know I'll be reversing their retarded decisions, the game leaves it open.
Imagine if you did everything you could to make the NCR better and they just roll in and take over, imposing taxes on everyone and spit you back into the game.
>>317530107
The Enclave is in the fortress-city of Chicago right now, what's in the Commonwealth for them?
>DLC the enclave return
Seriously anyone have a clue on what the dlc will be like
>>317529501
>humans aware of their true power = keep them all in camps because we know what's best for them
Synths are basically potential immortal beings with durable bodies and advanced thought-processes obviously superior to humans.
Don't try any say we're nearly identical, because we're not you bloody fucking synth.
>>317530107
I bet there will be one that revives your spouse and lets you use them as a companion. If I can take a fat man to the face and live through it, she shouldn't be dead yet.
i can't find curie and i've checked all my settlements and the vault she came from originally, anyone?
>>317530219
Following Bethesda's trend to add new sub zones as DLC that are unconnected to the rest of the world you might actually go up to Chicago and have to side with either the Enclave or the Midwest BoS.
>>317530229
I would forgive Bethesda of a lot of shit if the Enclave returned and could be joined.Or the Midwest Brotherhood come as enemies
>>317527028
But the angels do feel envy, how the hell do you think Lucifer fell? They also feel lust because they created the nephilim by lusting after qts
>>317530107
You go to the moon.
>>317530162
Are you dressed as the shroud through the building?
>>317529772
>>317529828They don't ever plan on returning to the surface, its stated in the bioscience lab terminals, the same ones that say they are replacing people with synths on the top "For teh lulz". At least the art style of 4 is closer to the first two.
>>317530089
But why leave him on the surface or worse, teleport him up and leave him without a clue?
These guys still need to recycle base components even if he were analog instead of digital or whatever.
>>317530185
>But they are not, I mean top side does actually pretty well for themself, actually the one that is destroying the Top side IS THE FUCKING INSTITUTE THEMSELFS.
We know this. Can't bring this up to Shaun though.
>>317530185
>But why? For fun? Are they doing it for the sake of doing it? Who is funding them?
For their own sake. For the future of humanity and science. Mostly for themselves though. They're self sufficient.
>>317526664
Mr Handy can't infiltrate organizations, towns and other places
He can do a set of task but isn't really sentient
>>317530375
>or
They're probably on the same side. The Midwest BoS is as dogmatic and controlling as the Enclave, they have no reason not to team up.
As much as the Enclave were jerks in 2, they aren't the ones that formed a fascist dictatorship to have all the tribes be rules under them.
>>317530376
Either of those would be epic the only other thing i can think of is if they take us to new york for a linear quest like the pitt
>>317530185
>raiders in every buildings
>supar mutants
>brotherhood of /pol/
>Caesar Legion
>ncr and its eternal power struggle
>tribal warfare
thing sounds great to you?
>>317529369
Not him; but work on your reading comprehension, boy.
He was saying he did three different endings.
>>317529828
The institute have no goals at all.
>rule the wasteland
A bunch of nerds that hide underground for years suddendly feels like humans are self-destrutive so they replace them with Synth that actually are just like human so what they do is reduntant.
Actually why did they created the Synth? Everything a Synth does a human can do.
What would happen if a gen 3 synth was exposed to FEV?
>>317530107
I'd love to see a Maine DLC with the 100-mile wilderness, lurksters, a series of mostly unrelated, gripping vignettes and actual survival mechanics, but we'll probably get something along the lines of Hearts of Stone that slightly expands the map and throws in a poorly written, mostly linear quest chain.
So is Curie a synth, still a gutsy (or however the female version is called) or what?
>>317530609
Nothing, its a machine.
>>317526129
You know that Victor is Mister House, right?
>>317530609
Legendary super mutant enforcer.
Or just die.
>>317530609
What would happen if a toaster was exposed to FEV?
>>317530545
Disgard that, meant two.
>>317530107Calling it now We are going ot get another god damn motherfucking Mothership Zeta DLC, They took a tounge and cheek joke in fallout and turned it into cannon. WATCH THEM REWRITE EVERYTHING AND SAY ALIENS STARTED THE GREAT WAR. YES I'M MAD ABOUT THE GAME THEORIES EPISODE.
>>317530060
Mothership Zeta 2, no doubt about it
One that has a heavy emphasis on water, either underwater, oil rig, ship, etc.
One that takes you to Delaware for all that first state jazz
Final one's up in the air, probably something really out there or deals with pre-war shit
Also I'm betting on a Hearthfire-ish DLC for settlements
>>317527669
>Institute did nothing wrong
>killed the entire burgeoning government trying to establish itself in the commonwealth for literally no reason other than to be spooky
>>317530237
Synths die to a face full of plasma just as easily as anybody else and they've got biological limitations since no one suddenly finds out their a synth once they realize they've forgotten to sleep for days or have been running for two hours straight at top speed.
>>317530464
Shaun says he doesn't want to but some do and as director, it's more up to you. Also, they have to have more of a surface presence if they...if they...fuck, I forgot what they ultimately wanted again.
They've got their power source...they've killed their major rivals...hmm
>>317530675
A machine made of biological material though.
>>317530213
Yeah I agree. I like how this game puts you in charge of the ending, but I hate how there is no conclusion as the lead director other than the speech.
In Fallout NV, I always wanted to believe that the Courier would be the worthy successor to Caesar or the NCR President. Its a shame, but it's all up to our imagination.
>>317530670
Shes a Miss Nanny robotic mind in a Synth body.
But for no reason at fucking all has achieved sentience.
Thanks Bethesda, love the consistent writing.
>>317529483
They're a group of survivors.
>>317530159
For lore's sake, I hope you are right.
>>317530526
>Humans are killing themself up there, so what do we do to save them?
>We could kill them all, that would save them.
>Brilliant!
>>317530484
>For their own sake. For the future of humanity and science. Mostly for themselves though. They're self sufficient.
See? This is what I mean, the institute has no justification at all, they exist so we can have some sort of evil side.
>>317530670
curie would be like an early model synth with no sentience
she has no real emotions other than satisfaction of pleasing her master
>>317530526
>not /pol/'s legion and brotherhood of /pol/ working together
>>317530545
Graham best companion.
>>317530569
They created the synths and do all the things they do because they're basically a bunch of NEETs. It makes everything make sense.
>The world is dead and the women here will only take sperm samples to keep humanity alive! Now I can finally make a waifubot like I always wanted!
>Wastelanders out of my Commonwealth REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
It all makes sense if your antagonist is nothing but a bunch of filthy NEETs.
>>317530839
>Tape steaks around a PC
>"It's human!"
Nah m8.
Nah.
>>317530871
She is programmed to appear so. Technically a hack version.
Just read the log where you find her.
>>317530569
>Everything a Synth does a human can do.
Well, one scientist says he wants to do it, he does it, it works out, they've got people to do their chores for them now, why stop?
>>317530941
Except she develops emotion because she was put in a newer model synth.
>>317530839
They dont have the same DNA as humans though, they have some ungodly artificial version of it.
The FEV works by attacking DNA and mutating it, so it wont work on a Synth. It would likely just kill them.
>>317531073
not really
unless you call "I love you too" in monotone emotions
>>317530836
But just the fact that they're artificially created leads possibilities for advanced and extremely rapid evolution. Why allow something to mimic you, kill you, outnumber you and colonize your own planet?
You can co-exist with something like that.
>>317528505
We all do, anon.
>>317530545
reading comprehension my ass.
>I did the institute ending, the canon ending, and midway through working with them i was like, If they are reclaiming runaway synths, why would the institute be replacing flesh and blood people with synths if all they want to do is stay underground.
Saying it was shitty doesn't undo saying it was canon. Work on your reading comprehension faggot.
>>317530884
You know what? I figured it out. The institute its nothing more than "A ANCIENT EVIL HAS AWOKEN"
>>317531060
She was programmed to be more human, but it specifically says in one of the terminals she had evolved beyond that and become more convincing
Which is utterly retarded on every level
>>317530107
They will boost special to go above ten, because they fucked the system and that is the only way to add more perks
>>317524396
They deserve as much as actual humans.
The problem is what they do with their lives.
Like synths that ends up becoming raiders and kill women and children for fun.
If every synth was like Nick, people wouldnt mind them.
>brotherhood
kill railroad, nuke institute
>institute
kill railroad, kill brotherhood
>railroad
kill brotherhood, nuke institute
>minutemen
nuke institute, kill brotherhood
these fucking endings. What happened to RPGs where your choices mattered and shit? Spend all this time with each faction, all to wind up with a goddamn menu that turns on WE ENEMIES NOW with a faction as the only way to progress
>>317531010
He really was the best companion, do you think they'll ever give the reigns back to Obsidian again after it was almost unanimously agreed that they did a far better job at the game?
