It's garbage /v/, don't even bother.
>Movement is extremely slow (Slower than CoD desu)
>Movement has zero mechanics to it that have any depth (They're all abilities IE, you can't fuck up)
>It's balanced like an MMO/HOTS so if your team sucks, you can't do anything to carry.
>Weapons aren't satisfying at all
The game feels shitter than UT and the maps/objectives are a shitter ET.
It's very clearly casual shit and Blizzard have no idea how to make an FPS. Just play Mannpower on TF2 if you want some actual fun, also comp MM is coming soon.
Overwatch confirmed console trash.
>>317365281
>It's balanced like an MMO/HOTS so if your team sucks, you can't do anything to carry.
This. Balance is fucking retarded, can't be bothered to play it anymore.
>>317365281
I'm having a blast with it. Easily better than TF2 in nearly every aspect, even gives vanilla/pyro/medic updates a run for their money.
You're wrong about most of your points but you are right about the balance. You need a team, you can't really carry. Is this a bad thing? Not exactly, but I can see your point.
>>317365892
I'm enjoying it too, but solely as Junkrat and Bastion. Mostly Junkrat, cause bastion is total scrub tier unbalanced trash.
Remember that feeling when you played Vanilla TF2 and it was fun.
Yeah that's overwatch, before all the fucking Item bullshit.
>6v6
>>317365892
>Easily better than TF2 in nearly every aspect
How?
>Class balance
You can beat every class as everyone in TF2, even medics are alright at scoring frags. Overwatch is literally rock paper scissors. Less is more in the case on TF2.
>Movement
Anyone who thinks Overwatches movement is acceptable is casual trash. Even the abilities, you can't fuck up because its a button, you aren't manipulating physics. There's no depth.
>Combat
The whole reason why you can have strong weapons in TF2/Quake is because they're offset by having strong movement mechanics. Having a huge health pool with garbage movement is not interesting in the slightest
>Objectives
It's like a really shit enemy territory, the maps are like what TF2 was about 6 years ago before people understood how to do objective-based maps properly
>Very clearly designed to be played on a controller/TV
Slow movement
Abilities instead of skill
Low FOV
Massive viewmodel
>>317366474
>TF2
>strong movement mechanics
stop
I feel the game is more about teamplays but the fact that you can change heroe at anytime kind of undermines that.
It's a little weird honestly.
>>317366580
TF2:
>surfing
>air control
>rocket jumping
>rocket syncing
>pogo
>ramp launching
>sticky jumping
>mid-air sticky jumping
>surfing enemies rocket with air control
>mannpower has hooks now
Overwatch
>WASD keys
>push to do a cool trick!
Not like I could bother even if I wanted to.
But then again, thanks to dollar correction this game is prohibitively expensive where I live. Y'all complain it's not worth 40 USD? Try 70 USD. And that's before a crapload of microtransactions for new heroes and shit.
So yeah, not like I don't have better things to play anyways.
As fun as this game is I'm not paying 60 bucks for this shit.
>>317366864
I hope you realize that most people here are casual shitters and think TF2 has no depth even though it's a "casual" game.
>>317367127
I hope you realize HATS
>>317365281
>if your team sucks, you can't do anything to carry.
BADDY SPOTTED ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE INVALID
>>317367127
Vintage Items
>>317365469
>>317365281
>it's a team game, which sucks
lolau(loling at u)
>>317365281
spoken like a true:
>loner
>muh waifu sucks, buff her
>muh gota go fast has no health
>why can't i kill, i get 4:1 KD in COD
>one click fucking OP character
>muh team sucks
>Movement is extremely slow (Slower than CoD desu)
Every character has different movement speed don't they? Maybe pick someone like Lucio if you want speed.
>Movement has zero mechanics to it that have any depth (They're all abilities IE, you can't fuck up)
You can fuck up all abilities if you're shit. Positioning is still important.
>It's balanced like an MMO/HOTS so if your team sucks, you can't do anything to carry.
You can maybe get gud. Pick a hero that can get sick kills instead of playing one hero all game.
>Weapons aren't satisfying at all
Some are. That Junkrat gun is P-good.
/dbg/ here
your game is shit, blizzdrones
>>317366864
since they took out bunny hopping and grenades, most of that shit doesn't even apply.
Not to mention TF2 has acceleration on its movement so everyone dodges like molasses. Unlike Overwatch where you can actually switch directions and dodge something.
>>317366864
>not relevant to regular gameplay
>in overwatch
>in overwatch
>not relevant to regular gameplay
>not relevant to regular gameplay
>not in overwatch
>in overwatch
>not in overwatch
>you shouldn't be able to do this in either game
>and?
yeah you are a mongoloid lmao
>>317367529
I would insult dirty bomb, but how can you insult that which has no life?
>>317366864
Since when were Source engine mechanics the standard of FPS games? Counter-Strike has Surfing too but it isn't part of the actual game.
>>317367634
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Confirmed for playing NEITHER game
*breathe*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>317367908
you have air control, rocket jump, and a version of sticky jumping in overwatch, they're just not universal
you're objectively wrong buddo it will be ok
>>317366864
All those movements, fucking irrelevant in normal play besides rocket jump / sticky jump with healer and air control.
>>317366864
leave it to a fangay of an irrelevant game to bring up irrelevant movements, yea dude i bet you surf in matches all the time ecks deeee
>>317367970
>you have air control
You clearly don't know what air control is as a mechanic. Your velocity is capped in Overwatch, so its IMPOSSIBLE for it to be a mechanics
>rocket jump
Nobody rocket jumps in Overwatch. There's a button you push to leap, but that's no skill in the slightest.
Having a button that rockets jumps for you KEK
>and a version of sticky jumping in overwatch
Oh wow, that one trick jump that still boils down to using an abilties, which doesn't combo into any other mechanics like air control.
Please, get the fuck out you casual shitter you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>317367908
Came to say you're wrong, I wouldn't be the only one but posting to a retard isn't usually worth someones time.
>>317368272
>you're wrong
can't state why
Overwatch casual faggots on suicide watch
Honestly I was really excited for this
I was so excited downloading it and figured, hey, if I have fun I'll probably get itI didn't enjoy it, the game overall just didn't feel very good. I had more fun playing TF2. I'm honestly really disappointed that it had to be this way, and that I bought into the hype for nothing.
>>317368224
Playing TF2 funmaps, muh FPS skills are the best, hurrrrp.
>>317366864
>>317366474
your actually wrong about movement atleast one thing
there is some ninja character whose dash can stick to edges of walls and launch across the map and into the air this is unintentional of course and guaranteed to be fixed
>>317365281
>It's balanced like an MMO/HOTS so if your team sucks, you can't do anything to carry.
Looks like some shitter hasn't reached 5000 mmr in Dota 2 or diamond rank in LoL.
>can't carry a team by yourself
Oh I am laffin
>>317367908
>>317368224
>>317368332
>having several variations of smiling golden face
How to Spot Shitposters 101.
Straight out of a console wars thread, aren't you?
I'm having more fun with it than I thought I would. If your team is getting your ass kicked, just start swapping characters until you get someone capable of turning things around. Mei and Bastion generally fuck things up on defense.
>>317366308
Bastion is incredibly easy to sneak around the side of with someone like Tracer or Reaper. The whole game is built around counters, some characters are just abusable right now because people haven't figured everything out.
>>317368498
Still unable to defend Overwatch
D A M A G E C O N T R O L
>>317368332
you're just buttmad you didn't get into the beta hahahahahaha
>>317368332
TF2 ain't a deep fps bud, try a round in Quake Live but you'd get your ass handed to you. The mechanics you listed aren't relevant in normal play, it's more about area denial, pushing, teamwork, ya know.. normal FPS mechanics but a loner that's getting his kicks, well keep on smiling :^)
>>317368570
You're getting shit on by 3 people right, now, can't post fast enough :^)
>>317366864
>Overwatch
>WASD keys
>push to do a cool trick!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vPDsgg9n40
You shouldn't be able to switch chair or archetype. The whole game is gonna be dumb counter picking.
The only TF2 character that takes any skill is the scout.
>>317368224
air control isn't fucking velocity i'll tell you that much dumbass, do you or did you even play comp tf2? I doubt it
you keep calling people casuals but you're shilling for tf fucking 2, lmao that is sad boi
>>317368624
>implying I wasn't brought up on QWTF/Q2/Q3/ET
>The mechanics you listed aren't relevant in normal play
Spouts Quake but doesn't even know what mechanics are and aren't relevant
>>317368624
>try a round in Quake Live
Ok, Grandpa.
>>317368740
His fight against a tracer a few seconds before that clip was pretty great.
Square room, and he just skates up the wall around the room until the health kit spawns, then drops down to steal it form her and then kill her.
>>317368740
Holy shit.
>>317368570
I'm not defending Overwatch. Fuck that shit, it's too expensive for how little it offers.
But you, you are simply too hilarious to ignore.
Just waiting until you get banned for avatarfaggingassuming that even happens these days.
>>317368803
>air control isn't fucking velocity i'll tell you that much dumbass
I never said that. You don't even have a basic grasp of the human language.
Air console is used to maintain/build velocity in the air while changing direction
Absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Please kill yourself you poser faggot.
>>317365281
>not even subtle reverse shilling for TF2
nice bro, you'll get your steamcash deposited directly into your account
>sent invite
>didn't even bother installing and playing
it looks like some shit t hat will be played and forgotten in 6 months. I feel bad for the people in beta legit trying to get good at it, in hopes it will be the next tf2.
>>317365281
Yeah, from what I've seen Gibraltar looked awully similar to Gold Rush
>tfw you'll never airstrike a whole spawn of Nazi again
;_;
>>317366474
>strong movement mechanics
what the actual fuck are you talking about? A doublejump and a rocket jump?
The game doesn't even load for me, crashes on launch. No answer from blizz, please pay $4.99 for non crashing launch dlc.
They are actually gonna charge a monthly fee plus game cost. LOL no blizz, no.
>>317368803
His mind isn't fast enough to come up with legitimate arguments, like his reaction speeds. It's obvious he never has as well.
Desperate people that post shit and fall apart, this is one of those times.
>>317369039
I'm surprised they made HotS with all those unique map objectives and then in Overwatch it is literally copy/paste TF2 objectives
There will never be a good team based fps like ET again
As of right now, i enjoy it. The characters are all extremely easy to use and the controls are intuitive. The roles make sense, its basically a TF2 clone with more polish. Although yes, personally i wish all the movement was sped up by about 30-40 percent using just wasd. I feel the blizzard syndrome of catering to the casuals. Perhaps they'll release a mode for us hardcoar gamers.
>>317367038
its 40, not 60
I hope it feels faster than it looks.
Because it looks really fuckin slow
>>317369081
>being this BTFO
Overwatch faggots can't actually specify what mechanics makes Overwatch have anything regarding depth. It's literally slower than Call of Duty with abilities similar to TF2, except that that manipulating physics which requires skill, you simply push a button
E M B A R R A S S I N G
>>317369219
It's more of console pandering
>>317368740
Holy shit, that looks fun
>>317369159
You tell me. Thousands of hours sank into Enemy Territory. Good times. And amazingly - even if you were playing the basic campaign - it was really hard to get bored. God, that game was so good
>>317369231
but you have to pay 60 to enjoy all the pther game goods (which is why I'm actually considering buying it)
>>317368990
>console
Please kill yourself already, you won't last the distance at this rate, just go sulk in the naughty corner manbaby
>>317369345
>fps on console
The future is bleak :(
>>317368740
That's pretty cool. Any more like this?
>>317365281
So did you not get an invite and are trying to feel better about it or what?
>Movement is extremely slow
Right, which is why the majority of the cast has parts of their toolkit that lets them get around, like Tracers dash or McRee roll, or Reaper tele, or Pharah tele, or Lucio wallrun, or the entire hero that is Genji
>Movement has zero mechanics to it that have any depth
I would say Tracers backtrack is an easy example of using movement in combat to give yourself an advantage. Knowing how many different directions and paths you could take while chasing or being chased with JUST that one ability, that's kind of a dumb statement to make.
>It's balanced like an mmo/hots
Balance can't really be judged too closely right now because I'm 100% things will change from the beta to the release, but I don't really see how this is valid. Like in all shooters, people use their primaries to rack up the most dmg. If you aren't shit, most of your kills will happen from just using your weapon like any other shooter.
>Weapons aren't satisfying at all
100% opinion, and a bad one at that. There are very rewarding moments in the game, like headshotting an enemy with Mcree or Window from across the map, or getting a quad kill with a Zayra alt fire. Hell, even doing something boring like tagging someone with a Zen ball before they slip away to heal can be fun if you want it to be.
Sounds like you just need to play the game more and actually give it an honest chance, or maybe you just don't like shooters in general, because sure, this is nothing really too new, but the game runs well and plays solid with a few bugs once every 7-8 games or so, is easy to learn and get into, and easy to play for a prolonged period of time if you're not some butthurt turboautist who hates the idea of qt pixar waifus and fun skillsets that are pretty new to competitive shooters.
>>317368740
is this supposed to be impressive?
>>317369392
tf2 literally launched alongside consoles
>>317369382
Literally zero argument except for commenting on a typo
B T F O
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>>317368740
holy shit, i did not know lucio could do that
It's just another TF2-style game, Im not sure what you were expecting. Everyone knew it was going to be a party-time moneypot shooter.
>>317369339
>literally
>COD
refer to
>>317369382
>>317369442
>Comparing manipulating movement physics to pushing a button to do a trick
It's literally impossible to fuck up the movement in Overwatch you casual faggot
>>317369448
>is this supposed to be impressive?
>>317369448
he said there are no movement mechanics in overwatch other than WASD and push-button abilities, so i showed a video that demonstrates he's wrong
i'm proud of you for being so cool that you aren't impressed, though, anon
>>317365469
You're not locked in to your hero. You can switch at any time to counter the enemy. It's balanced around switching and so they won't charge for extra heroes.
>>317369504
Its nothing like TF2.
It's the shitty movement of UT and a shitty ET. It's the worst of both words.
>>317368740
>that feel when im spiderman
that movement reminds me of titanfall
i miss that game
>>317369552
>Reinhardt charges himself off a cliff
gee man I dunno that looks like a pretty big fuck up to me
>>317365281
>>It's balanced like an MMO/HOTS so if your team sucks, you can't do anything to carry.
You just suck dick OP! Get good, rekt kid.
Garbage because there is literally no balance at all.
>>317369687
That's holding W and running off a cliff, that's just being fucking retarded, not mastering the movement you dumb fuck
>>317369639
>no one has the same shit, instantly killing balance
>looks like a cartoon
>aimed at a gigantic, autistic audience
It's exactly like TF2
>>317369378
Assuming you're talking about Wolfenstein Enemy Territory
>Map where Allies are trying to steal our precious nazi gold
>Huge amount of enemy team running down a ramp across from our spawn
>Pull out Panzerfaust
>Click- rnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggg
>Ally steps in front of me and we both explode.
That game is all servers filled with bots now.
>>317369552
I know it's hard not to lash out at people when mummy hasn't given you your daily tendies yet, but try to actually form an argument other than making a blanket statement from your biased viewpoint. Maybe you can actually contribute to the health of the board by participating in healthy discussion instead of Ad Hominem mudslinging like every other 18 year old that posts here.
>>317369794
HAHAHAH you've never actually played Overwatch, thanks for proving it for me.
Shut the thread down people, nothing to see here but some angry Valvedrone mourning the death of TF2 :^)
>>317368740
they copied this from Black Ops 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ9X0FMCmhk
>>317365892
It's worse than Vanillia TF2 in in almost every aspect. The balance of this is terrible and the classes don't do anything to be insanely distinct from one another.
I wouldn't call it a bad game, I would get some play time out of it if it was actually F2P, but as it stands it's worse than even Dirty Bomb so I'll just keep playing that.
![unreal-tournament-free-uvod[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/r3DwWnQ.jpg "unreal-tournament-free-uvod[1].jpg")
>>317365281
>The game feels shitter than UT
>shitter than UT
SAY THAT RIGHT INTO MY FACE!!!
>>317369908
And BO3 copied it from Titanfall.
>>317369808
so it's exactly like tf2 except for the gameplay part?
k
>>317368990
>poser
http://steamcommunity.com/id/BattleBull/
you're a mongoloid, keep shilling though!
>>317369908
Whatever, it's just wall running
>>317369860
OVERWATCH FAGGOT BTFO
NO ARGUMENTS LEFT
KEK
>>317369794
Do you even understand how far that charge goes? It's easy to time it wrong and fuck yourself over, even if you're nowhere near something like a cliff.
>>317369968
>The balance of this is terrible
confirmed shitter.
Man, shilling it out in full force today. Isn't it Saturday? Is your job really so pathetic you come in to work on a Saturday?
>>317370015
>nearly 4k hours
>doesn't know what air control is
PERMABAD
>>317370051
You didn't give me any argument to discuss with you in the first place, but then again you can't even get people to like you normally in normal conversation so why should I expect you to be smart enough to discuss a videogame.
>>317370113
Or maybe shilling is simply over exaggerated here and its actually people who are interested in the game.
>>317370113
I can work from home dipshit
>>317369860
>hypocrisy: the post
Kill yourself.
>>317369591
But he's pressing a button to wallrun
>>317369581
>>317369591
epic movement mechanics he just magnetically attaches ever wall he touches
here what happens when a game takes movement seriously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtWE-W09Xwc
>>317370085
Just leave him alone, he's another Valvedrone going through the 5 stages of grief over the loss of TF2.
First was denial:
>LOLOL Blizz making a FPS game! ITS NOT EVEN F2P LMAO TOP KEK LOLOLOLOLO XDXDXD
Now it's anger:
>OVERWATCH FAGGOT BTFO NO ARGUEMENTS etc etc.
Next will be bargaining. Which is good, because anyone still playing TF2 these days has to be pretty good at that.
>>317370135
post steam friend!
>>317368803
>But you're shilling for tf fucking 2
Not him but if your argument is that Overwatch isn't casual when you yourself are implying TF2 is casual and this so far is more casual than TF2 you are retarded.
This is clearly a dumb down experience. I don't think it is made this way to work with consoles like OP, I just think it's inline with Blizzards current design philosiphy if you look at WoW, HS and HotS.
>>317370285
What's that? poorman's Quake 3?
>>317366442
This.
>>317367631
>since they took out bunny hopping
TF2 still has bhopping. You only go about 7% faster, but it's there.
>>317368740
Design is literally Lucian from League of Shitters\
calling that "spiderman" is dumb, spiderman swings on web tethers, that guy was running more like Faith from Mirror's Edge
>>317370310
>but if your argument is that Overwatch isn't casual
nope
>tf2 is casual
yes
>overwatch is more casual
nope
being able to jump all over the place doesn't make it less casual, they're still both casual games even when played competitively, that said overwatch is much better than tf2
>>317370286
>everyone disliking my beloved blizzard must be a valvedrone!
>>317370310
>I just think it's inline with Blizzards current design philosiphy if you look at WoW, HS and HotS.
Overwatch is designed for casuals, by casuals. Good players might be able to find small things where they can have fun. However, it will not be common enough for them to keep playing. If you ENJOY this game as a game, then you are a casual. That's just how it is.
>>317365281
>also comp MM is coming soon.
They've been saying that since, what, 2013?
Sure thing bud, "it's coming".
>>317370135
With a comeback like this the one that looks bad is you lol.
At least he proved he might possibly know what he's talking about. Your argument at this point is literally "You're wrong because I said so."
>>317370285
>comparing a casual blizzard game to a quake-like that's specifically designed to be ultra competitive
do you expect anyone to argue with you? no shit overwatch is casual. that doesn't mean there are no movement mechanics
>>317370219
>>317370236
Really though, I used to be a paid shill myself, but I wouldn't do it on places like 4chan because I actually liked it there and didn't like manipulating the community. Why would you go to work, on a Saturday, to try to defend a game that's sort of a step backwards from a game we already have that's free to play?
>>317370237
Yeah, what else can I do but spit insults back at that. They didn't even bother to address the whole post, they just cherrypicked what they felt they were best at yelling over and then instantly resorted to trying to be objective (It's literally impossible to fuck up movement in Overwatch) and then when they got called out on it not being an argument, just act like a retarded ape to egg me on. But whatever man, maybe you'll get over your autism so I don't have to explain this to you.
>>317370430
its better than q3
>>317370478
>Design is literally Lucian from League of Shitters
how fucking retarded are you bruh. So every black guy released from now on with braids/dreads is going to be lucian? I'm so confused, they share no other similarities other than that.
>>317370286
>Next will be bargaining. Which is good, because anyone still playing TF2 these days has to be pretty good at that.
>>317368740
Holy shit!that's absolutely nothing
Mcree is so fucking broken in this game, he can fuck you up at any range without an issue.
>>317370498
>Overwatch is not more casual
>It's better than TF2 and deeper
>It's not even released yet and we've played it for a day.
This is how you spot a shill. Game so far feels way more casual.
>>317370527
It's fine if people enjoy whatever games they want. Most people play TF2 as casually as possible and that's why the game went down hill. If that is what people enjoy doing and Blizzard is catering to that market, I don't care. I'll play this for a while until I'm bored and then move onto something else, assuming I get a free copy. If not I'll pass.
>>317369078
Are you even trying?
>>317367127
The irony here of course is that you are a prime example of the "casual shitters" you speak of as you think Overwatch has no depth because it's a 'casual' game.
>>317370606
>expecting white teenagers to be able to be anything but racist
Bad news for you bud, you might want find a different website.
>Playing britbong level on Defense
>Team consists of 2 Bastions, 2 Engies, a Widowmaker, and a Zenyatta
>Set up near the fountain behind the walls
>They never push past us all game
It was pretty OP when no one knows how to counter it.
>>317370771
>I haven't played the game so everyone that talks about it is a shill
kek, as you kids say
>>317369452
TF2's console version was an afterthought, Overwatch's almost definitely is not.
Overwatch's air movement is garbage and makes it impossible to maintain speed and shield stacking is impossible to counter since Pharah and Mercy were nerfed and the only other things that counter shields are Symmetra's slow ass orb and Hanzo's Ultimate.
I'm actually enjoying myself when not dealing with the bullshit in the game.
>>317370795
That's not even racism, that's pure unfiltered retardation.
>>317370715
>"this game has zero movement mechanics!"
>show a video that demonstrates movement mechanics
>"s-so what! i don't like it! i'm not impressed!"
this is called moving the goalpost
>>317365281
>>It's balanced like an MMO/HOTS so if your team sucks, you can't do anything to carry.
This is what annoys me the most about it
Weather you win or lose is decided before the game begins
>>317370527
>If you enjoy this game you are a casual because I said so
Jesus fuck you really aren't even trying anymore huh.
I also thought that this whole "this game is for casuals only with no skill ceiling" bullshit was debunked after the Tf2 pros got their asses served to them time and time again by the Overwatch devs
>>317365281
>Movement has zero mechanics to it that have any depth (They're all abilities IE, you can't fuck up)
Fucking explain this then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lFPKZ6l6I8&feature=youtu.be
That's advanced movement tech, you fucking anti blizzard shill
>>317370869
But we have played the game. And it's not as good as TF2. It feels like a very dumbed down, slow TF2.
>>317370960
It was fixed.
>>317370963
Valve shill detected.
Sorry Gabe, nobody wants to play your bloated hat simulator anymore. It's dead.
>>317370797
Got any tips? I've found a very aggressive D.VA has worked wonders against that when I ran into it. I was on mercy for my friend on D.va, and would time our pushes with my revive to get him more suits when he went down. It's worked so far, but it was difficult to crack.
Reinhardt can get mowed down before his charge even lands.
Also find Junkrat to be good against it if he can get a good angle.
>>317370963
If you are that guy that said Reinhardt's Charge is just holding down W and stopping it before you get to far then no, you clearly haven't played Overwatch at all
>>317370869
I've played it starting yesterday. Can take a random screen cap doing something if you want.
>>317370902
What is in that video is not really movement mechanics. Yes, it is a way to move around in the game but if that is what was meant in this thread by movement mechanics being able to walk and jump are movement mechanics ergo this game has movement mechanics.
There is no actual skill involved in doing what he did in the video, it's just something that character can inherently do. To put it another way, not everybody can bunny hope in Quake even though everybody theoretically can bunny hop but everybody can do what was shown in that video in Overwatch unless they have down syndrome and once they do it there is nothing more too it. You don't get better or worse at it and there is no learning curve.
>>317370771
>>317370947
Sometimes anonymity is a shame.
I don't even like TF2. Overwatch is just casual garbage and I want Blizzard to stop making it.
>>317370606
>Lucio
>Lucian
>both characters are black adult males with dreads and glowy laser shooting weapons who dash around a lot
Don't be stupid, anon.
>>317370963
that's a hot opinion you have there friend
>>317371085
The gorilla, forgot his name. He can leap past bastion, drop a shield and fuck up the defensive line
What I really hate is the delay on a lot of abilities, like Reinhardt's charge, Reaper dude's teleport. Why not just make it instant activation?
>>317371147
Why do you want Blizzard to stop making it?
Blizzard is a shit company. All their games have always been shit and they have been part of Activision for a long time now.
>>317371197
Balance/character design. Tracer has an instant teleport, Reaper's isn't instant because it's not meant to be an escape, you're supposed to use it to stealthily get behind enemy lines.
>>317371147
>i don't like thing
ok
>>317371123
>To put it another way, not everybody can bunny hope in Quake even though everybody theoretically can bunny hop but everybody can do what was shown in that video in Overwatch unless they have down syndrome and once they do it there is nothing more too it. You don't get better or worse at it and there is no learning curve.
so now your whole argument is "the thing i like is really hard and the thing i don't like is really easy noskill noob stuff"? do you have video footage of you playing lucio and wall gliding around flawlessly? or have you not even played the game and you're just making wild assumptions while trying to sound confident?
Black Ops 3 has more advanced movement than this casual pos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czOk7gIt1Fc
>>317371197
Is there a telegraph on them? Probably for balance purposes if so.
>>317371342
It seems pretty fucking pointless though because it's not instant. He seems like a shit character overall, or at least that's my impressions.
>>317371197
It depends, are many other abilities instant? If there is a delay on certain abilities it's for balancing. Certain things are too powerful to be instant.
>>317371057
>>317371118
>>317371185
Well, there's at least two shills in this thread. On a fucking Saturday. Can you imagine this pathetic life, where your entire job is to pretend you like a bad game? Like, remember how many COD threads there were when the most recent one came out?
I'm going to give people a hint right now: Blizzard doesn't hire shills. They don't need to, since their publisher, Activision, is most certainly handling it for them. Forum moderation/community manager/marketing positions are the names for these careers on LinkedIn, if you want to look up who these people are.
>>317371085
I think you'd want a Tracer to deal with the widowmaker + kill the bastions when they're distracted by something like a D. va or Reinhardt, definitely a junkrat to deal with the turrets and maybe a Pharah as well or something.
>>317371361
post yfw BO3 is a better Quake game than almost anything on the market
>>317371404
Telegraph? Not really, but to be honest if Reinhardt is coming at you you fucking know he's going to charge or you should at least be anticipating it. Don't see Reaper using the teleport but to be honest, what difference would it make if it were instant other than giving it a bit more combat potential?
>>317365281
>slower than cod
But.. cod isnt slow?
>>317371354
He doesn't and he hasn't, Lucio's wall run is extremely difficult to make work like the guy in that video.
>>317371429
You're not playing him right, he's more or less a stealth character. Find an angle where you can see behind the battle, use the teleport to get behind them, and gun them down from the back with your guns/ult, and use your wraith form to escape.
He's a hit and run character.
>>317368856
respect your betters
>>317365281
Its not F2P so I don't give a sheesh. But thanks for the warning OP, I figured as much.
>>317371167
>one is edgelord who is angsty
>one is upbeat, LETS JAM, JSRF style shit
The dash doesn't even make sense because all characters in FPS dash, that similarity shouldn't even be said. The only thing they have in common aside form black with dreads is glowing weapon thing, but lucios is a completely different design.
He's more of a copy of someone from JSRF than League of legends. Stay fucking stupid as fuck.Why did I get trolled this hard
>>317371509
Honestly, I think Black Ops 3 is one of the best shooters out now, maybe Toxikk too. I'm real sick of all these games now having these goofy cartoony aesthetics with moba mechanics slapped on. So much potential for unique gameplay and they just rip off league of legends.
>>317371354
>So now your whole argument
Please stop with your bullshit of just assuming everybody you talk to in a thread is somebody you don't like. Also please don't twist my fucking argument around into bullshit.
You literally did not say anything in your post of merit. You didn't counter my argument. You just reduced it into something stupid that doesn't even accurately represent what I was saying.
You are the kind of retard who wants ID's in 4chan because you cannot handle the fact that perhaps more than one person disagrees with you. I clearly laid out what movement mechanics are meant to be. I even provided why assuming otherwise would be a mistake. If you have any actual argument against anything I said, feel free to go ahead and argue it and I'll address that unless I agree with you at which point I would concede my point. But if you just want to shit post because you OMG LOVE THIS GAME then fuck off shill.
>>317371197
>instant reaper tele
If you don't understand how strong this'd make him you're honestly re-tar-ded or haven't played the game
>>317371576
>tfw poorfags/BRs/RUs will never play overwatch
feels great man
>>317370587
I'm not saying paid shills don't exist. I am saying that not everyone who promotes a game on here is a shill. There needs to be evidence that the poster is a shill.
>>317369552
Hey, don't underestimate the depths of the retardation of Blizztards.
You're right to say that Overwatch's abilities cannot be executed poorly, but they can be used wrong, even though that's really hard to do (hence why I said you should never underestimate Blizztards.)
>>317371510
You answered your own question. You could use it in combat to escape and that's not what its intended use is. Again, tracer already has one anyway
>>317371603
Lucian isn't an edgelord, the fuck you talking about?
>>317371563
>Extremely difficult
>People already doing it within days
>Takes months if not years to master something like Bunny Hopping
What even is this new wave of retardation? Are people actually comparing this shit to the movement systems in Quake? I want retards to leave. Holy shit.
>>317370902
>this is called moving the goalpost
No, that's called arguing with several people, champ.
>>317371662
I'm not poor though. Black Friday is coming up and I'm siting on a lot of dosh. I simply don't want to give blizzard any money because they haven't regained my trust. I might buy Reaper of Souls if it goes 50% off.
>>317371563
Again, that sounds pointless. What is the point of doing that? It seems like being any character with a gun like the Robot can fuck over that strategy if you know how to turn around. Or what if you are the Valkyrie lady? She can literally just jump and then kill you.
>>317371748
Personally I think it's better this way, Quake died because the shit you needed to learn to play was so damn obnoxiously hard to do, most just said fuck it and quit. Same reason fighting games waned in popularity after a while, people got sick of having to master inputs and frame perfect cancels and shit just to play the damn games. Easy to learn, hard to master is the best approach.
I've been playing Overwatch and enjoying it. Then again, I hold a steady well paying job and am not some video game aficionado that can play video games all day.
>>317366470
blame the consolekeks
>>317371603
The VISUAL design, you fucking moron. AND the name.
Glowing laser weapon. Black adult male with dreads who dashes a lot. Names are almost identical.
If you think that it's not at least slightly derivative you are incorrect.
Yes, I can see the JSRF influence too, but he's clearly primarily from League.
Why is it such a distant concept to you that they copied League of Legends when this is an FPS MOBA, and when they already copied League down to the fine details when making HOTS anyway?
Blizzdrone moron. Your game copies trash games. Get over it.
>>317371747
His story is based around his thirst for revenge over something he can never change or fix. That is edge incarnate.
>>317371894
>mobas are 5v5
>must be because of console :^)
Try again
>>317371814
Alright so you're just an idiot. Carry on then.
>>317371814
You kill them before they can kill you dude. If you're playing reaper, go to flank, and end up dying because of it, you have nothing to blame but your shit aim or bad use of Escape ability
>>317371920
>spooky ghost steals dudes wife
>dude wants revenge
>"wow 2edgy4me"
You have no idea what edgy means.
Edgy is the kinda shit where one goes "ugh I hate everything I hate life I wish I could just kill everyone and bathe in their blood" etc, not wanting revenge for your wife.
Do you consider Max Payne to be edgy too or what?
>>317371860
Quake is extremely easy to learn. The problem is after a while the only people left are those who are insanely good and you have no entry point for the series, which is a problem at a time where there was no matchmaking.
Regardless, that isn't my point. Those people are literally comparing the shit you have to do in these games to the movement mechanics in Quake, which by your own volition is extremely complicated and hard to even learn let a lone master.
I do not care whatsoever if they like this game and enjoy it. What bothers me is these stupid arguments they are using when anybody criticizes anything about it.
>>317371814
You know the robot can't turn around in turret form right? And how would he know to turn around in the first place, he just got killed from behind with no warning.
Stop being retarded.
>>317371998
Except this is a first person shooter and not a MOBA you mouthbreather.
The only FPS games on PC which are 6v6 by default are CoD, which is the #1 console FPS.
Everything else is 9v9, 12v12, 16v16, 32v32, etc.
>>317371998
It's not a moba. It's an fps. Also TF2 is basically the same formula and that has way more players per gamewhich also has a limit on the console versionsSo don't tell me it's not the consoles fault because everyone knows damn well it usually is
>>317370550
>casual
it is but you know blizzard are gonna be pushing the esports angle they've probably already got big tournaments lined up
>>317372071
I cannot see how this is remotely better than just playing the chick with the rocket launcher.
What is the advantage of playing a character meant to pick off people maybe if they are a shit character when I could just have a rocket launcher, fly, and kill all of them?
I genuinely do not understand the point of a character like that. It just seems objectively worse than being rocket launcher lady.
I'm genuinely asking here, what is a scenario I would rather be that guy than just be rocket lady and kill everybody even if they are in front of me?
>>317371661
oh man
>Instant tele reaper
>Teleports behind your whole team and wipes it with his ult.
This would be suffering.
>>317371860
>Same reason fighting games waned in popularity after a while, people got sick of having to master inputs and frame perfect cancels and shit just to play the damn games
Fighting games are more popular than they've ever been, and plenty of them are easy to learn. You don't have to learn "frame perfect cancels" unless you want to play a character that has strict execution requirements.
>>317372183
Of course they will. They are probably incredibly fanny hindered after the success of LoL in the esports scene.
>>317372146
But every time I've played he's had people next to him. If you teleport behind, you have to fight all those people so it just becomes a game of run away unless there are only 2 or 1 people there.
>>317369379
You pay 60 for a few skins and a character in HOTS.
thems are goods.
>>317370015
And another American that can't even spell properly in their own language.
Laughing stock.
>>317368740
>>317368740
>>317368740
Just goes to show no matter how good you are, you will get killed by some fuckwits ultimate ability eventually.
Overwatch still has the same components a game has for competitive flair, meta of characters, team formations, fundamentals of their styles and timings for cohesive teamwork, baiting, etc.
What's with this one faggot in the thread flaming about it being it casual shit to TF2, of course it is. TF2 is a casual shit as well compared to older games, it's been happening for a while where most skills you learn in one game can't / don't transfer over.
This is like LoL = Overwatch, decent fps = Dota2.
The only thing difficult in TF2 was landing rockets / grenades, juggling, not being a shit scout, roll outs, and teamwork.
>>317371189
You mean Trayvon.
>>317372324
Why would you use a rocket launcher over shotguns indoors or at close range. Why would you try to hit a tracer or genji with rockets when you can use shotguns.
Why take to the air when they have bastions with shields in front when you can get behind them with shotguns.
Like dude, use your head, we get it you like the idea of Pharah more than reaper, but it's ignorant to say reaper is straight up bad in all situations.
>>317372393
>Fighting games are more popular than they've ever been
Fighting games were most popular when SF2 and MK came out, and when Tekken 3 came out; it's been downhill since. SF4's resurgence only made SF popular, it didn't make other fighters popular as evidenced by other fighting games falling to the wayside in favor of SF and MK yet again. No one gives a fuck about Tekken, DOA, VF, Guilty Gear, Killer Instinct or any of those other games, Blazblue is arguably the only fighter outside of SF and MK that's even alive and cared about.
>>317372374
*teleports behind u*
*blows ur brains out*
Child's play....
>>317372468
And they're facing away from you. You gun 1 or two down and then run away. Or you flip your ult and hopefully kill all three, then run away. He's a hit and run hero, if you aren't killing then running away, you're playing him wrong.
>>317372462
Why'd they care about the success of LoL? Do you mean Dota 2?
Because they ARE really butthurt about Valve taking the Dota IP and making it into a billion dollar franchise.
In fact, blizz got so butthurt by it that they decided to copy TF2.
Literally took payload mode and didn't even rename it, it's still fucking named payload in OW.
>>317368740
>Pistol scout on cp_egypt
>>317372670
Well both Dota and LoL really. Let's be honest those two games are the hottest shit right now. They are taking potential revenue away from blizzard.
>>317372610
>Why would you use a rocket launcher over shotgusn indoors at close range
Because it kills them really fast...?
>Why would you try to hit tracer or genji with rockets
Why wouldn't I? It's really easy.
>Why take to the air when they have bastions with shields
Because you can get behind them that way.
The only time the Reaper guy seemed useful was when I had my Q. Otherwise it seemed like I could be anybody else and do better if I just understand how a projectile works and could aim.
I could understand if the reaper guy had good movement options, but he isn't particular fast or anything. He can just turn invincible and run.
>>317372781
doesnt blizzard have their own moba shit anyway? i doubt its doing as well as the other cancerous tumors though
>>317372647
The problem isn't not being able to play a hit and run "hero," the problem is this is a FPS. Other characters have staying power. I can not run away for example and still kill everybody with rocket launcher lady. Especially with the medic chick, there was basically no reason for me to ever not be rocket launcher lady unless I wanted to snipe people as purple ass machine.
>>317372670
>Why'd they care about the success of LoL? Do you mean Dota 2?
LoL took away pvp players from WoW. I knew lots of people who loved WoW pvp and quit and moved on to LoL after Blizz kept fucking up the pvp. Holinka was the death knell for pvp in WoW. I honestly liked WoW pvp more than LoL but quit WoW because they fucked up too much shit and obviously don't care. WoW pvp is dead, you're meant to move on to Overwatch or HotS if you want pvp in a Blizz game.
>>317371197
i know im late but holy fuck you're a retard
>>317368740
That's easy-mode Titanfall-style movement where you press a button and it's free.
>7 years of Titan down the drain
>Jewhaime: "salvage it"
>Everyone with sense: "b-but how?"
>Everyone without sense "tf3?"
>Jewhaime: "do it"
>Everyone with sense: "b--but we don't know how to make a fp-"
>Jewhaime: "LISTEN YOU SHITS. YOU'RE NOT WASTING SEVEN FUCKING YEARS OF DEV MONEY. YOU'RE GOING TO KOTICK THE SHIT OUT OF THE TITAN ASSETS. YOU'RE GOING TO BECOME A SOULLESS MONEY GRUBBING SHOOTER STUDIO. FUCKING.DO.IT."
What a shitty time to be a fan of vidya. The last bastions for quality are falling left and right.
>>317367634
Overwatch doesn't really have much air control, and if you think those other things are not relevant to regular gameplay then you are a shitter.
>you shouldn't be able to do this in either game
shitter confirmed
>>317373230
Movement should be easy to do. You need it to get around the map and your enemies, why should something so basic be hard to do?
>>317373284
What's Titan?
>>317373284
What makes you think all of the assets were used on Overwatch and aren't being used on a different project?
>>317370285
Wow, nice try posting something that isn't half as entertaining
DId he even do anything besides bunnyhopping and rocket jumping?
You call that serious?
>>317372173
CSGO is 5v5, and it's the biggest PC FPS. 12v12 is pub garbage
>>317373381
Failed Blizzard casual MMO. They recycled the assets to make Overwatch.
>>317373390
There was an interview where they admitted it.
>>317373373
Blizzard shills everyone.
You are the kind of person who thinks fighting games are complex because of long combos, aren't you?
What's the plot?
>>317370285
Quake is too fucking fast, it makes me nauseous to watch.
>>317372612
CEOtaku just pulled, like, 300+ unique entrants at an anime-only major. P4U had 300 entrants alone in 2013 at Evo, and at this year's Evo P4U was sitting at 460 and Xrd at 970. Even if it was only SF and MK that got a boost in popularity, like you say, show me back in the day when SF had 2.2k entrants at any major.
We're not only talking about the west here, either. Tekken is insanely popular in KR and JP, ArcSys games are just as popular as Capcom in Japan, Gundam VS has consistently been the #1 arcade game from a long time, and the last Beat Tribe Cup (VF) had 600 players.
>>317370015
>posting a steamid and not an etf2l/esea page
>>317371907
>>317371603
>>317371167
Lucio doesn't dash you retards
>>317373540
Some dudes banded together to save the world or some shit from some shady super villain organisation or some shit. Overwatch died and in the aftermath there was some shit happening and some dudes are fighting for reasons
>>317373473
That guy is a retard and thinks Battlefield is the pinnacle of FPS or something.
Real skill based FPS are 1v1-5v5
Everything else is for fun.
>>317373436
do you not understand how the movement works friend?
if you don't think thats the tightest shit get outta here
>>317372173
>TF2's primary competitive format is 6v6
>CS:GO's competitive format is 5v5
>b-but consoles
>>317373473
>Okay let's go
I miss 1.6
>>317373284
>Chris Metzen's entire job is to write backstory for characters no one gives a shit about while bossing artists/programmers around to stay within the "lore" for a high six figure salary
Some people get lucky. Some people win the fucking life lottery.
God damn, Blizzard is really taking the EA route with this and shilling like a motherfucker aren't they?
No one is going to pay 40 fucking dollarydoos for this shit.
>>317373373
Aiming should be easy to do. You need it to kill your enemies, why should something so basic be hard to do?
>>317373540
>>317373501
>You are the kind of person who thinks fighting games are complex because of long combos, aren't you?
No, they're complex because of:
>shitty ambiguous hitboxes/hurtboxes
>frame data being way too important
>being unable to use online as a proper training tool due to awful netcode
>obtuse mechanics that aren't mentioned or explained in the games but are required to even be halfway decent at the game(ie. basic movement in Tekken games, FADC/one frame links in SF4)
>mechanics and moves that visually and logically make no sense but are required to figure out and master, usually by having to read a forum or watch youtube videos
>a toxic community that vastly overrates the depth of the genre and makes it seem like fighting games are the equivalent of learning real life martial arts
The genre fucking blows. I hope Sirlin's easier fighter succeeds so that other shit can die off. If Blizzard made a fighting game that would be fucking awesome.
>>317373473
One game mode is 5v5 in CSGO*
And what, do you think either Overwatch 6v6 or CoD 6v6 isn't pub garbage?
We weren't talking talking about comp in the first place.
>>317373654
Except I haven't played a Battlefield since BC2, which was 16v16 max.
>>317373757
>>TF2's primary competitive format is 6v6
lmao
Highlander has a lot more players than sixes.
And again, this discussion was not about comp. Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about Overwatch in the first place.
>>317372670
Dota wasn't a blizzard IP. Some guy made it in his mom's basement.
>>317369968
well it's a good thing vanilla TF2 doesn't exist anymore you retard
>>317373581
Congrats, meanwhile games like LoL and Dota 2 have millions online playing and mastering the game because unlike fighters they don't have shit netcode so you don't need to go to "Jamal's Bowling Alley" in the bronx just to play against serious people
>>317373879
ahahahaah How does being shit on by people who are actually good at games feel fuckboy?
>>317373905
>Highlander has a lot more players than sixes
But sixes has more players who are actually good, and will play more than three games a year, turn up to scrims, go to lans now and again. There's been like one HL lan ever.
>People legitimately acting like CoD invented wallrunning/jumping
>People acting like "X game did this before so its not impressive if this game has it"
>Using either to move the goal post about the specific game's controls
>>317373869
But aiming IS easy to do.
>harpooning waifu snipers and blowing my flak load in their faces.
Only good thing about it so far
>>317374048
good I guess because no one plays fighting games and the FGC is dying everywhere but party game city
>>317373905
>One game mode is 5v5 in CSGO*
The one everyone gives a shit about, and the rest are just warmup/practice for.
>He paid $60
>For a F2P quality game
>>317370286
Valvedrones, Nintendrones, EAdrones, and fucking Bethesdrones are 20x better then Blizzdrones.
>tfw COD & Gears are the only alive shooters that have good movement mechanics
>Gears has wallbouncing, weaponsliding, & insta-gibs
>Call of Duty has wallrunning, jetpacks, & sliding
What does that Japanese archer say when he uses his ultimate? No its not the pleasure of being cummed inside fuck off.
>>317374048
I actually am good at fighters, I don't play them anymore because it gets boring having the same matchups again and again and again in limited stages fighting on a 2d plane. Don't you ever get bored of that shit eventually?
Also you didn't refute any of my points, because you know I'm right. Most of the so called depth of fighters comes from the fact the developers stick to old ass arcade conventions from the 90s in terms of controls, and the games are generally low budget and low rent so stuff like fuckedup hitboxes slides by and the devs don't care. Watch some Tekken 7 videos, you have characters having their attacks flat out go THROUGH opponents and miss, as well as attacks that clearly don't even touch the person hitting them anyway. Fighters are basically games devs with low funds make to get something out and make a quick buck.
