Dark Souls 1
>Difficult curve to the game, but fun after understanding the basic mechanics it provides a great experience
>Armor serves a purpose
>Enemies can occasionally be difficult, but dying to them is not unfair
>PvP is backstabs and learning how to counter those
Dark Souls 2
>Everything but end-game sucks cock
>Rolling doesn't work, period
>PvE boils down to "how many enemies can I throw at you at once?" and praying that the hitboxes are fair
>Staggering after getting hit once by a random undead with his FIST
>shockwaves
>PvP consists of buffing 8 different things and then R1 spam
I don't see how 2 is any fun, at all
DS pvp is and always will be shit in every game
>>316800647
So you like one game better than the other, thats ok but what was the point of this thread
>Dark Souls 1
>implying it doesn't have shockwaves
>or shitty hitboxes
>PVP is DGR backstep fests
>Buffing 8 different things
>You can't stack buffs
You can't hide your ignorance
>>316802986
This. I mostly blame the try hards though.
At the dawn of the series PvP was really fun because it was an invasion, you used the level to your advantage. Eventually it devolved into duels and that carried over into Dark Souls and people take it way too seriously.
I basically just play offline now unless I'm actively trying to PvP since everyone just uses the OP shit when I'm trying to do something like Bow only.
DaS thread? DaS thread!
I picked up this game again after first buying it when it came out on PC to give it a try. I tried for months to get into this game, dropping it completely and even going as far as to say this game sucks.
Fast foward several attempts later, years later, now.
I'm a pyromancer. I just got to Anor Lando and currently trying to get into that church or whatever. I'm at the part where the two electric pink demons are sitting in wait after you near the church steeple via the arches. There are two black knight archers that fire huge pike arrows or some faggot shit. The knockback on these things are terrible and the tiniest of ledges to combat these assholes.
I can honestly now say that DaS is my favorite game. I used to outright hate this game and couldn't see the entertainment in this game. I see it now and even invaded someone in the forest yesterday. Their attacks allowed me to backstab them after they tried to dodge my attack? It was my first time invading someone and the 2nd time pvping.
>>316803215
bought dark souls day one. My very first invasion was a twinking jap in full ornstein armor who one-shot me with a lightning katana.
>>316803238
Just rush them, time your rolls and kick them off the ledge.
>Rolling doesn't work, period
What? If anything it works too well. The amount of invincibility you get during the roll is downright disgusting. You can literally roll into almost all attacks in the game and be perfectly fine.
>>316803157
Maybe, I don't know man, maybe discuss videogames?
Fire is bad for you.
>>316803429
115 Agi is like better than the DGR was in Dark Souls isn't it?
I enjoy Dark Souls 2 pvp. Any playstyle can win, there is counterplay to everything, as long as you don't suck complete cock at the game. People that complain about r1 spam need to get gud and learn to parry.
I cant fathom how people only play these games for the PvP. Sure the PvP is fun for a time, but people gauging the games based on their PvP are fucking retarded. Would you play these games if they didnt have any kind of multiplayer?
>>316803584
What else is there? The single player doesn't offer any challenge after you do your first few playthroughs.
>>316803238
>two black knight archers
Dude, it's incredibly easy to get past them, you'll end up laughing at how simple it is. All you need to do is run to the first archer, then run back and he'll fall off the edge.
Also, remember that you can use arrows to make those white gargoyle creatures fall off the edge. Seriously, some of them get pushed off with only two or three arrows.
https://youtu.be/CZl_C44qx1A
It's hilarious how all the "how to get past the archers easy" videos don't use this incredibly easy technique. They all try to fight the archers like idiots.
>>316803731
But playing the games and judging them for their multiplayer is pretty damn stupid. There are people who openly admit they wont play Bloodborne simply because the multiplayer isnt active, same with Demon Souls. Its something to do at end game, but it shouldnt be the deciding factor in getting the game or not.
>>316803895
Yeah the white gargoyles are clumsy. Sometimes they jump back before you even do anything.
The two will always fall off the first arch you come down to meet them just before these archers.
I'll give this method a try. I've been able to kill them both separately but never both. I usually get buttplugged with the damn arrows.
Thanks again!
>>316804035
Why the fuck not? For a lot of people the time they spent on multiplayer made up something like 80% of their total time spent on the games. Why the fuck would they ignore such a massive part of a game's appeal?
PvP in dark souls one was absolute trash. the lag made that sit unplayable.
>>316804381
I didnt say ignore it, I said it shouldnt be a deciding factor in playing the game. Ill present the question again; would you play any of these games if they had no multiplayer?
>>316803238
>Dark souls is now your favorite game
>Only at anor londo
Oh boy, prepare for the dissapointing 2nd half
I think the important question here is what is the best waifu armor in Dark Souls 1? Is it Ciaran's armor?
>>316800647
2 is ok in the SP department but the MP is better than DaS since they patched it.
>>316803895
I just use poison arrows on the one on the right and wait.
>>316804903
Sure. Doesn't mean that I don't understand people who wouldn't.
>>316804903
Different guy but not for full price I wouldn't.
>>316803895
>It's hilarious how all the "how to get past the archers easy" videos don't use this incredibly easy technique.
this 'technique' is pretty inconvenient when you can just run up to them and ripost them, which takes a few seconds at most
>>316800647
>rolling doesn't work, period
AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA. You fucking scrub.
>tfw have full Smelter Demon Armor set +10
>barely does better than most cloth sets in the game at +10
What the fuck is wrong with armor in this game?
>>316800647
Alrighty, someone is bad at video games.
>too many enemies!
Get good.
>rolling does nothing!
Improve your timing. Everything can be dodged even at base ADP.
>hitboxes!
I'll give you that one. But thats why there is a dodge mechanic! Besides, they aren't even a problem when you memorise every attack pattern.
I have 700 hours in this game and at no point has it ever been unfair. It's the player, not the game.
thinking about getting into the series. should i start at Dark Souls 1, 2 or just wait for 3?
>>316805795
DS2. 60fps and more user friendly.
After that get into DS1, older, clunkier but with definitely better worldbuilding.
>>316805573
>Smelter set
Please end your life.
>>316805795
Demon's Souls then work your way up.
Don't ever play Souls games on a PC.
>>316805891
Some people just want an anus for a helmet
>>316800647
>Enemies can occasionally be difficult, but dying to them is not unfair
Stopped reading there. You clearly never played the game before From patched it to hell and back and have some serious bias/nostalgia going.
I prefer DaS 1, but you're kidding yourself.
Izalith Dragon Asses, that's all I'm saying.
>>316805795
I'm always part of the group saying "chronological order is best order". So there you go.
>>316805795
Start with 1. It does a lot of things clunkier noticeably clunkier than 2, I find it very hard to go back.
In DS2 I didnt even wear armor cause the damage reduction was shit, might as well be faster and naked.
>>316806092
>I'm a bitchnigger who can't get good at vidya and blames everything about my own failure on others
That's all I'm saying
>>316805649
>hitboxes!
>I'll give you that one. But thats why there is a dodge mechanic! Besides, they aren't even a problem when you memorise every attack pattern.
How do you dodge through a lingering/misplaced hit box?
Unpatched Fume Knight was broken as shit.
Dark Souls 1
>Reverse difficult curve to the game, gets easier the farther you move on. NG++ 4K/Nito is where it starts getting hard again
>Armor serves a purpose (rolling slower)
>Enemies can occasionally be difficult, if you're a scrub
>PvP comes down to whoever gets to be the host and nothing else. Get backstabbed by someone standing 10 feet in front of you with his back turned away
Dark Souls 2
>Everything is quite good
>Rolling works perfectly fine, but scrubs will complain about anything when they suck
>PvE boils down to the exact same thing as in DaS 1
>Staggering is now balanced and more realistic
>PvP is more varied and better balanced
/v/ has such a shitty hivemind and will eat any shit being told to them about DaS2. Just because that one video said something it means it's 100% true.
This is the verdict:
DaS1 has the best areas/fights, but also the worst in the series. DaS2 is less varied, and every area is good, but nothing exceptional like in the first game. Other than that I haven't heard any critique for DaS2 at all that I agree with the slightest.
>>316800647
Who has the best feet, Priscilla or Quelana?
>>316806210
>get good
Meme/10
>failure
If you're going to shitpost, at least make sense.
>>316800647
>Enemies can occasionally be difficult, but dying to them is not unfair
All things considered the most basic enemy should've been as interesting and varied as the chained prisoner, and the difficulty should've gone up from there.
>>316806234
By getting good? You can actually finish the unpatched game just fine. If you can defeat DS1 dlc Manus, you can defeat literally everything in DS2 with little to no problem.
>>316800647
>Difficult curve to the game, but fun after understanding the basic mechanics it provides a great experience
I don't think holding up your shield 98% of the time is a "great experience"
>>316806442
why? I'm just pointing out that OP is a faggot. Okay. I misused the english language, but I'm no native, so it's alright.
My point still stands and there's nothing that OP can do to prove me wrong.
>>316806407
no question
>>316806570
Yeah, this is a memeshit thread.
You don't actually want to talk about the game, you just say get good and hand wave/pretend people can't beat these games.
Dark Souls as a series has some crap hitboxes, mediocre multiplayer (as a result of mechanics like backstabbing and streamers enforcing a meta) and a faggy community.
Post fluffy tail.
>>316806642
You're replying to the wrong guy and need another English lesson.
>>316806625
Shield is only useful in early stage of the game in ds1. Later bosses fights demands ample dps instead of shield protection. Just look at 4guys fight. If you hide behind a shield instead of two handing your weapon, you'll be dead.
DaSI = BB > DeS = DaSII. Prove me wrong.
>>316806813
That's an interesting picture, but I'm not completely convinced. you should post more related material so we can clarify every point
>>316800647
Demon's Souls > Dark Souls II > Dark Souls
>>316806990
DeS=BB < DaSII < DaS
qed
>dark souls 1
>cute feet
>dark souls 2
>blocky mess
This was the first sign that I knew Dark Souls had ended.
>>316806918
They need to do something with the shields, so they are more than a clutch tool. I like the aesthetic of using a shield but it gimps you in several ways when you actually have it equipped.
>>316806990
With the DLC, Id put DaS2 before DeS. But the base game is trite.
>>316807026
here have this
>>316800647
Ebin.
>>316807241
Someone skipped foreshortening day.
>>316806918
>Shield is only useful in early stage of the game in ds1
sure, just because some youtube faggot said so.
try not using a shield at your third NG+ and lets see how far you go
>>316807235
not bad for a 3DP model
Dark Souls 1
>absolutely fucktarded AI
>enemies piss-easy to circlestrafe to death
Dark Souls 2
>same idiotic AI
>enemies still a breeze to circlestrafe, unless they've been copypasted 20 times all over the area
It's the same shit.
>>316806918
4 Kings is a effectively a damage race and the only case where going defensive doesn't work out. With a properly upgraded shield, you can tank everything in the game just fine up to and including the DLC bosses. Sword and Board is easy mode in DaS.
>>316807387
can't find much man sorry
what i can find sucks
>>316807591
>no mod where she blushes
>no mod with interactable fluffy
what the fuck
>>316803482
>it just fucking levitates away through the wall after spewing its dog shit breath all over you
>>316807697
she already has facial animations but you never see them due to the camera.
>>316806373
>das1 is the worst in the series
your opinion is wrong
>>316806642
>Okay. I misused the english language, but I'm no native, so it's alright.
Damn, now I want to play it again...
>>316803482
>I must go, my people need me
>>316800647
>Can't fuck her face without getting stabbed in the gut
0/10
>>316808624
you just need protection
>>316807850
Reading comprehension is hard, I know.
It has some of the worst areas in the series. The Catacombs, Blighttown and the fucking Tomb of Giants are just pure ass and poorly designed. The latter is a straight up perfect example of lazy design and artificial difficulty.
>>316808996
Nothing in Dark Souls is as terrible as The Gutter.
>>316806642
> Being foreign is an excuse for my ignorance
I'm foreign too and I think you're a fucking retard.
>>316809203
mistakes*
there. fixed it for you. You happy now?
>>316800647
It isn't
>no one posts shockwaves
>>316806642
No wonder immigrants have free reign in America.
We accomodate for their retardation instead of expecting a certain level of decency. Go back to Iraq, sandnignog.
>>316808996
>The Catacombs, Blighttown
>badly designed
Just got into the first one. With DSfix it actually works pretty well on PC.
So far I'm having a lot of fun. Mostly every death seems fair to me, so getting my shit wrecked is still fun. However, is it just me or are those bonfires really damn far apart? Or am I missing some? I know it's supposed to be punishing, but running 2 minutes to the nearest enemy seems like a dick move.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_7vN78zJ1c
>>316809561
>but running 2 minutes
but having to run for 2 minutes*
>>316808996
didn't Namco Bandai push Dark Souls out of the door?
>>316800647
I fucking loved 1 but I played 2 and after I beat lost sinner It just "felt" lame and I quit at the next great soul the skeleton guys which were so easy I got angry and just benched the game.
Huntsman corpse was a cool area though.
Was I just burned out or was there something wrong with the second I didn't catch?
>>316800647
ITT
DS1 is such good game
DS2 is such a shit game
pls give me attention and lets hug ourselves
in short words op is faggot
also parrots everywhere
the only more retarded community is assfaggots
>>316809607
>posting memeteam
Epic xDDDNo wonder his crew left him.
>>316800647
this "dark souls 2 is bad" meme is so retarded
>implying the series hasn't been throwing multiple enemies at you since demon's souls
>implying nips roll-bsing you with a giant club hornet ring was any better than hex katanas
>complaining about a game breaking stat like poise getting nerfed
become better
>>316809908
You sir, are doing it wrong.
>>316803238
I was like you once. Then I learned how to kill two invaders at once, and now the ladies love me.
>>316810372
Seriously, people have problems with the good points of the game. As much as I loved DS1, DS2 did a lot to improve and balance the combat. The things people should really complain about is the level design and enemy tracking your movements midswing.
>>316810372
>game being bad is a meme
Phantom Menace being bad is a meme too, then.
Dark Souls 2 improved on Dark Souls 1's God awful PVP. Now the souls PVP is only "incredibly shitty and unfun", which is a vast improvement on what it was in DaS1.
i want to crossbreed with priscilla
>>316809561
>However, is it just me or are those bonfires really damn far apart? Or am I missing some?
In the later levels, the bonfires are in obscure places or straight-up hidden by invisible walls.
Luckily you can still progress fine if you miss a few. You'll get very good at running past enemies.
>>316813046
>running past enemies
I feared I would have to do this at some point. Killing 20 dudes just to get a retry at a boss is just tedious.
>>316800647
DaS 2 is shit in comparison because it focuses directly on being hard rather than being good. Probably because it has a different game director.
>>316812790
I want to get vored by Quelaag
Why is Dark souls 2 lacking waifus
>>316814516
K
>>316803482
>when he flies
GOLD
>>316814914
I don't remember any great apes being in DaS2
also the npcs of ds2 are all shit with the exception of vengarl, while ds1 have unique 10/10 npcs, with the exception of griggs that just a dumb random guy.
