Why the fuck do people suddenly think that Cloud being in Smash = Goku, Scorpion, and Master Chief have a chance? Like, seriously?
>>316625780
/v/ blowing things way out of proportion as literally always.
Because Cloud is always in those ridiculous "never going to fucking happen" roster lists
There's quite a few nintendo dbz games. I could see kid goku getting in. It's not likely but I wouldn't be too surprised. Also, don't forget that nintendo specifically mentioned you could vote for non-nintendo characters in the poll.
How can goku be in smash he has never even been in a video game
>>316626543
>>316626637
Ok a game anyone has ever cared about
>>316625780
At some point in Brawl's development, Sakurai talked about his criteria for including third-party characters. These criteria included whether the character has a history with Nintendo, as well as that the character be originally from a video game and not somewhere else.
The former criteria is out the window with Cloud, so who's to say that he won't change his mind regarding the latter?
>>316626710
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dragon_Ball_video_games
Go back to bed, kid
>>316626710
>>316625780
One of those is not like the others.
>>316625780
Ages ago you could have made this argument about Sonic.
You could have made this argument about Snake.
You could have made this argument about Pacman
You could have made this argument about Megaman
Cloud is pretty out there, maybe Megaman and Sonic aren't too surprisingly but if those others can make it it I'm sure someone like Goku can.
>>316626837
>list
>not really its a report
Fucking wikipedia and its shit vetting system
>>316625780
Crossovers appeal to autistics that why, name one that doesnt
why is Cloud's cross clash the kanji for villain?
>>316626976
Except goku is not an original videogame character, all the others are.
Nintendo said anybody can make it as ling they first appeared on a videogane.
>>316627332
This was just a fanmade moveset made on Deviantart before he got confirmed.
>>316627280
Doctor who and star trek comic had lack luster sales
>>316627551
I meant video game ones.
>>316627332
The fuck are you talking about, play FFVII, that kanji is the same one that appeared everytine he did crossslasg back then.
>>316626976
Thing about Snake was he was a possible contender in Melee and with Sonic and Mario in the olympic games it was just a matter time, then we had project X zone.
We had one close crossover in a Mario Sports game for the DS and that was generic FF classes, Cloud getting in is such a fucking shock that it's no wonder people are thinking Goku could come in
though Mario and Goku were in that anime
>>316627332
Villain is originally derived from a word for farm workers or peasants, and Cloud's a country hick.
>>316625780
is there even a western character in that game for those two choices to be there
>Ryu, a weird third party character gets in.
>Cloud, a weird third party character gets in.
Some people notice trends because their brains work how they should.
>>316627624
Why can't you idiots just use google when you've got a question
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_crossovers_in_video_games
>>316627723
Diddy Kong is a Western character.
>>316627819
>Both series that have huge histories with Nintendo
>Both series get their most popular characters in Smash
SO WEIRD!!
>>316627950
>SF
>huge history with Nintendo
Let's not forget that both franchises abandoned Nintendo at the first possible chance.
>>316627950
Rare DOESNT have a huge history with nintendo?
>>316627950
Wouldn't Warrior of Light have made more sense?
>>316627479
>Except goku is not an original videogame character, all the others are.
>hurr he wasn't designed to be in a video game that means he can't be in one
As if that ever stopped anyone from putting goku in a video game.
>>316628156
Yeah.
>>316625780
Captain King is never going to get in, neither is any other 1st party Sony/Microsoft character.
>>316627950
In that case I want some Rare characters, give me Banjo, Juno and Conker.
Master Chief and Scorpion will NEVER EVER be in it. I could see Goku being in it though
>>316627479
there's a reason the smash ballot allowed you to vote for ANYONE and not just video game characters.
0/10, go troll somewhere else.
>>316628156
WoL isn't even half as popular as Cloud.
>>316628116
What does Rare have to do with ANY of the characters OP listed?
>>316628156
I agree, or Black Mage. But Black Mage and WoL aren't the most recognizable and overhyped characters in FF. Cloud is. Like it or not, that's why they picked him over any other FF rep. Because no one cares what contrarian faggots on /v/ think, the most popular character sells the best.
>>316628292
I mean the character has to had make its debut in a videogame first, goku started in a manga, he is out of question.
>>316628628
why are you making up rules and saying that they're true?
fuck off retard.
>>316628402
They said little after the ballot started that only characters with videogame origin will be take in consideration.
>>316628156
Warrior of Light isn't as marketable as Cloud. Cloud is the face of Final Fantasy.
Regardless of whether or not FFVII appeared on a Nintendo console, Cloud is STILL from the Final Fantasy series, and that series started with Nintendo, and was huge.
Naturally it makes sense to include someone from Final Fantasy, Cloud is just the most popular and recognizable.
And it's not like Cloud hasn't made any appearance on Nintendo platforms. Minor or not, he still showed up.
Goku didn't originate from a video game, and this is a series celebrating video games, not anime. If you think Cloud being in Smash makes Goku possible then you're just a dumbass.
You guys remember Super Smash Flash?
>>316625780
Because they have as much to do with Nintendo as Cloud.
>implying it's not just early PR for Final Fantasy VII remake coming to NX
It'd be funny if it skips Xbone and just goes PS4/Wii U multiplat. The tears would be delicious
>>316627950
Yeah anon can't wait to play SFV and FFRemake on my WiiU, oh wait
>>316628808
>no source
fuck off retard
>>316627950
I sure love Cloud from that Nintendo game.
The playstation one.
>>316628990
>histories with Nintendo
>using future releases as your point
>ignoring all the exclusive FF / Square shit that constantly comes out on Nintendo
>ignoring Project X Zone or any other number of Capcom games and crossovers that are exclusive to Nintendo
Your underage is showing
>>316629013
>>316629083
>FF started on Nintendo
>Cloud wouldn't exist if FF didn't exist
>Kingdom Hearts
>Theathrythm
I don't even think shitposters attempt to try anymore
>>316628978
possible
what is the relationship between SE and MS?
>>316629203
so that includes goku, nice.
>>316625780
Goku = One of the most iconic anime characters, been featured in mor eNintendo games than Cloud.
Scorpion = One of the most iconic Western video game characters, been featured in more cross-overs, fighting games, and Nintendo systems than Cloud.
Master Chief is the only one who's really out there. Banjo & Kazooie would make sense, but MC hasn't had shit to do with Nintendo ever and is not old enough to be "classic" yet.
>they won't do this, they won't do that
>it happens
>well they wont do this and they won't do that
>it happens
You niggers keep saying something won't or can't happen until it happens. We've been over this many times since before and after release. No holds barred now. Anything can happen, deal with it
>>316629276
>what is the relationship between SE and MS?
Nonexistent, Final Fantasy XIV couldn't be on 360/Xbone because of jewery and every single Square Enix game sold better on PS3 than it did 360.
>>316627479
Pokemon are anime characters and Smash uses their anime voices. Your point is moot.
>>316626731
That was people misunderstanding. Sakurai said they should be from a video game and have history. Appearing on Nintendo was considered a helpful but separate criteria.
"Nintendo history" like Mega Man for example was never a requirement. Cloud only pushes the limit a bit by being having even less to do with Nintendo than Snake, but he's not groundbreaking enough for literally anybody to get in. The only character who truly broke ground in Smash was Snake.
>>316629324
That's like saying a character from any Nickelodeon shovelware would be eligible. Just because they're in a video game doesn't make them a video game character.
>>316629083
Cloud is effectively representing the entire FF franchise, which spent several years exclusively on Nintendo consoles. Sure, his game wasn't on a Nintendo console, but he's popular and recognisable enough that it doesn't really matter.
>>316629508
And it's not like a major part of Final Fantasy's history is tied with Nintendo's or anything... oh wait
>>316629487
the anime's origin is the video game series
bad post
>>316627479
>Except Goku is not an original videogame character, all the others are.
>Except Cloud is not in any games on Nintendo platforms, all the others are.
>Except Ryu's game was also on other platforms, all the others' weren't.
>Except Megaman is from a company that wants him dead, all the others aren't.
>Except Pacman never had any special connection to Nintendo over other companies, all the others had.
>Except Snake is from a series with little ties to Nintendo, all the others aren't.
>Except Sonic is not a Nintendo character, all the others are.
>>316629553
they are characters in a video game so they are eligible.
you're just making shit up right now after you've been proven wrong.
it clearly says video game character and that's exactly what goku is after being put in a video game.
>>316629324
le goku that was a character on the nes in a game outside the dragonball series, but shares the same name meme
i mad, you backpedding b8r
correct me if im wrong but namco bandai helped making smash bros and they also own the right to use goku in video games right?
this is way easier to happen than people would think desu
>>316629487
But Pokémon didn't originate as an anime, and the Pokémon anime was specifically designed as an advertising mechanism for the games? Why else do you think the new Zygarde forms were revealed in the anime?
>>316628978
You're getting your hopes up. If fucking Kingdom Hearts can go to Xbone than so can FF7R.
>>316629353
>Goku = One of the most iconic anime characters, been featured in mor eNintendo games than Cloud.
Not a video game original character.
>Scorpion = One of the most iconic Western video game characters, been featured in more cross-overs, fighting games, and Nintendo systems than Cloud.
Not a Japanese original character, appeared on very few Nintendo systems to boot.
>Master Chief is the only one who's really out there. Banjo & Kazooie would make sense, but MC hasn't had shit to do with Nintendo ever and is not old enough to be "classic" yet.
This, I'd much rather they put in Banjo Kazooie. Shame MS owns them now.
>>316629487
Are you fucking retarded? Pokemon started as a fucking game.
>>316629508
id say that cloud is just as, if not more, ground breaking than snake
>>316625780
No idea, but I'm happy with Cloud being in Smash.
>>316629487
>Pokemon are anime characters
Found the underage.
>>316629793
>>316629782
Yet it has more anime references in the game than VG references. So Goku being in wouldn't be an issue at all at this point.
>>316628339
Master Chief i understand by what makes you so sure Scorpion will never make the cut?
>>316629704
>implying everyone thought every one of these things at any point
Once Snake opened the door for third parties all that really mattered was that they were iconic game characters with some relevancy to Nintendo. That has held true for every third party regardless of what any underage kiddies on neo-/v/ think.
>>316629704
I don't get what the fuck you mean, all them, except goku, are videogame originals.
>>316629629
That's a good point. Cloud is the most recognizable character from Final Fantasy, no other character is quite as iconic.
>>316629791
>Not a Japanese original character, appeared on very few Nintendo systems to boot.
Are you kidding? Mortal Kombat has been on every Nintendo console and handheld since the SNES, even getting special Nintendo versions with exclusive content. The only exception is the Wii U because Warner Bros. bought Midway at that point and they hate Nintendo.
Regardless of any MK character's chance of actually getting in, Mortal Kombat is still infinitely more Nintendo than, say, Street Fighter.
>>316629371
You can at least agree that there won't be master chief. That makes no goddamn sense. All of the other third party characters make complete sense but that doesn't.
>>316629218
>hurr durr durr the shitposters
Yet you feed them with every reply, fuck off.
>>316629959
Jokes on you, I'm from the future and Smash has had Goku since 5 and Shrek as a newcomer in 8
>>316630045
>I don't get what the fuck you mean, all them, except goku, are videogame originals.
>I don't get what the fuck you mean, all them, except cloud, are in games on Nintendo consoles.
etc
I don't want to write all that shit again
>>316625780
mainly i think it means that sometime in the smash future, we're gonna get banjo-kazooie
>>316630097
>hurr durr I'll respond with more shitposting
Way to go retard!
>>316629791
>Not a Japanese original character, appeared on very few Nintendo systems to boot.
Scorpion has been on the SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii, Game Boy, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance, and Nintendo DS.
He's far more Nintendo related than Ryu, Cloud, or Snake.
>>316630180
Nintendo said any videogame character can nake it, regarless their games were on nintebdo consoles or not.
>>316630356
>Nintendo said any videogame character can NAKE IT
>NAKED
l-lewd
>>316630356
Doomguy had some games on Nintendo
>>316625780
>Goku
>Scorpion
>Master Chief
They pretty much do, but I would also like to see Kratos as a sign that Nintendo and Sony aren't arch nemesis trying to kill each other like their cancerous fan bases make them out to be
>>316630062
black mage is probably more iconic
>>316630356
>Nintendo said any videogame character can nake it, regarless their games were on nintebdo consoles or not.
>Nintendo said any videogame character can nake it, regarless if their games are Nintendo exclusives.
>Nintendo said any videogame character can nake it, regarless if they are Nintendo characters.
etc
I can do this all night.
>>316630501
sony cant give sony kratos, what if they want to make another, eh, what is that game who copied smash called again? the one that failed
>>316630541
chocobo man
>>316630501
That would be bretty cool. PS all stars is garbage, but they have some characters that would be interesting
>>316625780
Only one of those who even remotely has a chance is Scorpion.
>>316630631
Doesn't make you any less of a retard
>>316629959
>Once Snake opened the door for third parties all that really mattered was that they were iconic game characters with some relevancy to Nintendo. That has held true for every third party regardless of what any underage kiddies on neo-/v/ think.
>>316630631
Go ahead, i can't fucking undestand your point anyway.
>>316630668
Aside from dude bro shit, they also appeal to autistics, weeaboos, waifu fags and furries with Sackboy, Spike, Kat and Sly, so yeah, they even got a skeleton
>>316630716
>>316630830
Nintendo has proven once and again that there are no restrictions to what characters can make it, and yet you refuse to accept it, and have been creating your own "rules" (which were never said by Nintendo themselves), this happened before every time a 3rd party character made it in.
Shrek is just as likely to be in Smash as any other character :^)
>>316630497
>tfw we will never get doomguy because of ignorant slanty eyed gooks
All I want for Chirstmas is to see a trailer that hasbanjomusic playing, and akazoojoins in.
>>316628339
Master Chief is a Microsoft character and Goku isn't even a videogame character at all.
Scorpion however, can feasibly be the next step after Cloud.
>one of the most iconic western videogame characters
>has been featured multiple in non-rated M cross-overs
>has appeared on several Nintendo systems since the SNES, more so than SF
>can easily be toned down like Snake while retaining the spirit of the character
Boon also offered for Scorpion to be in PSABR for free but Sony rejected the offer.
>>316630068
It's not even that WB hates Nintendo, they supported the early days of the Wii U with games like Scribblenauts, AC Armored Edition and Injustice. They of course later dropped support for the system because it sold like shit.
>>316631125
>Boon also offered for Scorpion to be in PSABR for free but Sony rejected the offer.
Why is Sony so retarded?
>>316630938
And Dart and Klonoa and those things from Patapon and Loco Roco too etc.
Seriously though, there's no way a Sony exclusive character will be on Smash Bros.
>>316630938
>>316631082
>Nintendo has proven once and again that there are no restrictions to what characters can make it
Okay tell me where this rule was wrong then.
>>316629959
>Once Snake opened the door for third parties all that really mattered was that they were iconic game characters with some relevancy to Nintendo. That has held true for every third party regardless of what any underage kiddies on neo-/v/ think.
I'll wait
>>316631125
>Boon also offered for Scorpion to be in PSABR for free but Sony rejected the offer.
Yet they were totally fine with Big Daddy and El Donte? Fuck Sony.
>>316631241
It isn't, yet, like all others once were.
>>316631182
Because why have cool characters when you can have Gun Guy, Beard Adventure Guy, and Donte?
>>316631297
So you're admitting you're a retard that doesn't have a point?
k
my dad works for activision spyro is in next
Something kinda unrelated, but still Smash related:
I wanna get the character pack with ryu, lucas, etc. and the stages.
However, in collection #2 it also mentions it includes Stage music. Is that music exclusive to that pack or did the writer just fuck up?
>>316631125
>can easily be toned down like Snake while retaining the spirit of the character
This. None of his attacks are any more violent than the shit you see in Smash already. Sword slashes, punches, fire, the works, all of which Scorpion does. Even his iconic Fatality can be toned down to remove the death part and it wouldn't be any more violent than Bowser or Chaizard's fire breath.
He also brings the spear/rope dart into Smash, which is unique.
>>316629804
You'd say that but you would be wrong. Snake broke the third party barrier (and is an M rated to boot). Cloud didn't technically didn't do anything that extreme except subvert fan's expectations of how related to Nintendo a character had to be. That's not as big a deal as Snake being a third party and himself having quite little to do with Nintendo (not as little as Cloud but it really wasn't a lot)
>>316631193
Daaaaaart
Im so for this.
>>316631082
>:^)
[shitposting intensifies]
>>316630093
halo almost made it onto the ds. its a big maybe but that can be the excuse
>microsoft wants chief in smash
>make a halo fps for 3ds as payment
its the other way around than people think. EVERYONE wants their characters in smash, but you gotta pay up. in exchange for butt, we got ffe and the two dragon quest games in the west and theyll probably do some japan only shit later on
>>316630274
Not him but you're being kinda retarded by replying to the shitposting you so despise.
>>316631494
Too bad it's never happening.
>>316628752
Sakurai made Mii Characters because of this sort of shit
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/03/22/mewtwo-dlc-takamaru-and-sakurais-nico-nico-appearance/
>Sakurai: But, you know I get requests like, “Please put Goku in”
Sugita: GOKU!?
Sakurai: “Please put Spongebob”
Sugita: SPONGEBOB?!
Sakurai: That’s impossible.
Sugita: Spongebob’s games are only sold abroad!
Sakurai: That’s right
Sugita: The really energetic, yellow square right?
Sakurai: Yes.
Sugita: Even Spongebob…
Sakurai: Well, those kinds of requests are pretty common.
Sugita: What about Yukawasen*, or Segata Sanshiro?
Sakurai: (laughs)
Sugita: …well I’m glad Sonic’s in.
Sakurai: That’s the point of Mii Fighters
>>316631440
His final smash has to be toasty.
>>316631530
>Halo fps for 3DS
As long as 343 doesn't make it, I guess.
>>316631647
HAHAHAHA Goku and "HURR third parties have no rules now!" fags getting BTFO by the man himself.
>>316631737
>Dan Forden in Smash
CORRECT PREDICTIONS
>Goku
>Master Chief
>Scorpion
>Leon
>Dante
>Zero
>Sora
>Neptune
>Steve
>Banjo
>Crash
PROVE ME WRONG
>>316631893
>more Capcom and SE characters
>Nepshit
No.
>>316625780
MC surprisingly does have a decent chance if Microsoft wanted to push pic related to be revived
>>316631737
>we get scorpion
>they dont show his final smash
>people buy him and discover that his final smash is turning into a giant scorpion>theres a 30% chance of turning into a penguin instead
>>316631835
made byarzest
>>316632158
Too bad Nintendo won't allow non-Nintendo bakagaijin characters in their game. Same reason we'll never see Kratos or Nathan Drake either.
>>316632391
>Nathan Drake
Implying the best Sony character isnt a animu haired cute shota who beats up niggers
>>316631125
The true problem is that Japanese gamers viewed Mortal Kombat as shit and no installments past the third entry were released in Japan
>>316632364
>his final smash isKirby's old one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-c4U6XRtvc
>>316632501
Right, and there's no way in hell a glorious white master race character would appear in a filthy gook game.
>>316632530
Meanwhile Nintendo is living lavish thanks to the Western market.
>>316632530
What a noob.
>>316632590
Maybe Jak but not Drake, he's a NORMAL PERSON, thats why he didnt even fit in Sony Smash
>>316632391
>Kratos or Nathan Drake
>characters no one fucking knows outside of sony
after all thats happened, saying western only characters will never make it in is the weakest shit you could say. fucking diddy is in and hes a western character AND hes not even an original video game character. hes a rapper
>>316626976
The Nintendo vs Sega rivalry during the 16 bit days was a pretty big part of Nintendo's history
Metal Gear was on NES, GBC, and Gamecube at the time of his Brawl reveal. Although yes, he is a stretch
Pac Man doesn't really "belong" to any console company and he's one of the biggest video game icons
Mega Man's best games all originated on Nintendo systems
Cloud Strife is straight out of left field. I'm convinced FFVII Remake is coming to NX (or somehow very poorly to Wii U) or the original FFVII is going to be on Wii U or 3DS. Otherwise, his inclusion in Smash makes no logical sense unless Nintendo literally just wanted to do something so random and unexpected that people would have to keep talking about it
>>316625780
They fail to realize that Cloud is a gaming icon and is at this point one of the major faces of Final Fantasy and that even though Cloud himself hasn't had a major role released on a Nintendo console Final Fantasy did have it's first 6 games on Nintendo consoles along with a couple of spin offs here and there.
I predict that in a interview Sakurai would state that he was conflicted about which Final Fantasy character to choose from whether it was Cloud, a Chocobo, a Moogle, or a FF1 Class but ultimately decided with Cloud because he was the most popular
>>316625780
Goku's getting like 2 games on the 3DS soon
of course he' s going to get into Smash eventually
> Cloud
> Not a Solid Snake return
Fuck you Konami seriously
>>316632735
>AND hes not even an original video game character. hes a rapper
>>316632879
kek
>>316632928
Konami is kill. They're just going to make mobile shit
>>316632710
>thats why he didnt even fit in Sony Smash
Sony Smash had plenty of other realistic looking characters like Cole, Ezio and Radec.
>>316625780
because, as a character that has never been in a nintendo game, or on a nintendo console in anything but a cameo role, he had like zero shot. Not only that, but he's a very iconic character for their primary competitor's console. I would've said before the announcement that Cloud had less of a chance to get in than Goku or Scorpion, and an equal chance to Master Chief.
>>316632879
That's Gohan you retard.
>>316632928
>>316633025
>tfw no Castlevania rep ever
>>316633128
>Ezio
he isnt in the game, also Cole is a super hero while Radec a space guy with a suit
>Cloud is in Smash before Ridley
What a time we live in.
>>316632391
Nathan Drake looks too fucking bland for anything outside his own game. He already looks awfully out-of-place on the PSASBR cover art
>>316632672
They aren't doing so hot in Japan either.
>>316633286
>shitposting in a civil Smash thread
Kill yourself.
>>316629218
>Lets take our cameo character and make him a double cameo
>>316632808
>Cloud Strife is straight out of left field. I'm convinced FFVII Remake is coming to NX (or somehow very poorly to Wii U) or the original FFVII is going to be on Wii U or 3DS. Otherwise, his inclusion in Smash makes no logical sense unless Nintendo literally just wanted to do something so random and unexpected that people would have to keep talking about it
Or it could just be that Final Fantasy's origins are with Nintendo and it just happens the most memorable entry in the series for most gamers wasn't a Nintendo entry.
Kinda like how Pac-Man for instance has huge ties with Nintendo, but it's not like Pac-Land or Pac-Man arcade was a Nintendo exclusive game or anything.
Why can't he just represent FF, a series that's roots began with Nintendo, while also being a huge bit of fanservice for gamers.
Nintendo vs Shonen Jump when?
>>316633357
I wasn't offending in any way.
>>316625780
why the fuck are you lumping Master Chief and Scorpion in with Goku?
>>316633409
That's pure speculation
This is the equivalent to a Yotsuba anime.
There are more Onepiace Games on Nintendo consoles than any other system.
If anything Luffy would make more sense than Goku.
>>316632879
>>316625780
>Goku next to Yuna in a 3DS game that also features Mario
There really is!
>>316627479
>Nintendo said anybody can make it as ling they first appeared on a videogane.
>>316632530
Japanese gamers are also migrating to smartphones and portable devices.
>>316633412
>ballot winners announced
>goku in first place for america
>luffy in first place for japan
>naruto in first place for europe
all you have to do is wait baby
>>316633409
or, OR, it doesnt fucking matter anymore and anybody can get in as long as its profitable for nintendo
>>316631125
>Scorpion gets in
>The promotional art is either a Smash version of pic related or a image of a live action Scorpion fighting off against a Claymation Bowser in Goro's Lair
>>316626543
These games were sick
>>316632530
Japs have also abandoned consoles and PC gaming and are moving towards mobile freemium crap.
>>316633649
That's Vegetto.
>>316633783
Forgot pic
>>316633819
LOG1 was awful.
>>316633875
No.
>>316633943
Yeah I know but I mean the series as a whole.
>Goku in SMASH
will this overcollapse /a/ and /v/?
>>316633718
There is none. What was provided was an interpretation of a video game character is. Goku has been in plenty of games by now to be a video game character. Something like one punch man, on the other hand, would clearly not be
>>316634046
literally yes
>>316625780
The whole "Master Chief for Smash" thing gained some traction after the reveal that Minecraft was coming to Wiiu I'd imagine. Plus Nintendo and Microsoft have tried to push Halo for DS in the past too
I hope a JoJo gets in
>>316634016
>outfit
>potora earrings
Nigga, that's Vegetto.
>>316634046
well it would unite the world in peace. no more war or famine
>>316634275
youre wronghis name is super vegito!
>>316633764
>implying batman won't be in first place for america
>>316634046
>>316634046
After Snake (completely out-of-nowhere) and Cloud (the impossible wet dream), there's no way to be surprised at anything anymore even if Goku is actually still very improbable.
>>316625780
I would have said the same thing about Cloud but now anything is possible IMO. FF7 has never even been on a Nintendo console, so the the moment they announced him it stopped being Nintendo allstars and started being MUGEN. Goku is one of the most popular pop culture characters in Japan and DBZ crosses over with other things all the time so I wouldn't be surprised any more. Half expecting them to announce Goku, Monkey D Luffy, Hatsune Miku and Master Chief as the next DLC.
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/jCr4mVu.png "latest[1].png")
>>316625780
Call me Illumaniti, but
SV5 is coming, we get Ryu
FF7R coming, we get Cloud
KH3 Coming ???
>>316634434
The thing is, we don't know why this decision was made. Sakurai gave an interview earlier this year that made someone like Cloud seem impossible but then contradicts himself only a few months later. I'm guessing the higher ups made the decision and most anyone is free game now
>>316627723
Diddy Kong and Lil Mac.
Because if I can buy a blackberry phone that runs Android and has apple music why can't those characters be in smash? When companies are friendly it's a win win win
>>316633209
>but he's a very iconic character for their primary competitor's console
Snake already did that man. I'm not saying I wasn't surprised but do people really honestly put this on the level of Goku? Maybe people internalised fan memery about what is and isn't possible a bit too much.
>>316625780
There have been a shit ton of exclusive, good DBZ games featuring Goku on Nintendo consoles. 37 exclusive DBZ games in total.
Can you say the same about Cloud?
Yes, he's made minor appearances in games on Nintendo consoles but has he made the sheer amount of exclusive, major appearances on Nintendo as Goku has? No.
Goku is far more relevant than Cloud. I don't want Goku at all but it's true
>>316633561
>Final Fantasy's origins and history with Nintendo is speculation
top fucking kek, underages don't even try to hide it anymore.
>>316634653
>>316634702
Little Mac is Western popular but not Western made.
Im just waiting for the day this song suddenly plays during a newcomer trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asyO6tonbLQ
>>316625891
>blaming only /v/
>not the smashfags and autists
Anyone else feel like that omnislash animation was just recycled off Ike's old Final Smash? Didn't look any different to me.
Cloud as a whole just looks boring AF to play.
>>316634653
>>promoting games that are not even on their consoles
Nice job, Nintendo.
>>316634796
Are you retarded? That's a possible reason why he got in but still speculatory
>>316634873
Just looked it up and you're right - which is strange because I thought Super Punch Out wasn't even released in Japan.
>>316626731
And how was that criteria broken with Cloud? He does originate from video games, and he has been on Nintendo platforms. The Final Fantasy series itself started on Nintendo too.
>>316634429
hell no. no one gives a fuck about batman anywhere NEAR the level that people care about goku. PLUS, believe it or not, mexico IS in north america. so all those mexicans WILL have voted for goku
>>316634653
we get mickey. one of the most recognized characters ever, behind mario and pacman of course
>>316635238
Cloud has never appeared on a Nintendo system as he does in this game. He's appeared as a chibbi in a bunch of spin offs and thats it,
Sourcegaming just made a article on the matter
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/11/14/5-reasons-cloud-smash/
>1.THIRD PARTY CHARACTERS DO NOT NEED TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH NINTENDO.
>This has been a common misconception in the speculation community. During Brawl’s development, Sakurai wrote a reader response in which he stated that it might be something like a courtesy to appear on a Nintendo hardware. Nowhere in other interviews, or in other responses did he ever say that it was a requirement. With Cloud’s representation mostly based on FFVII, I think it’s safe to say this fan rule is finally dead. Heihachi being considered for Smash arguably should have killed it, but people were/are still in denial. I feel like I’m going to be saying this for a long time as it’s so ingrained in the community. The whole logic that “Final Fantasy has its roots in Nintendo, so it’s okay that Cloud got in, the rule still stands!” is based on twisted logic. Look at the reveal trailer…nowhere did they ever reference the older Final Fantasy games. In fact they used the title card for Final Fantasy VII.
>2. WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF SQUARE-ENIX, THEY THINK OF FINAL FANTASY AND CLOUD. HE IS POPULAR.
>Searching “Final Fantasy” on Google’s image search brings up a ton of pictures of Cloud and Lightning. In Guinness Book of World Records, 2010 edition…Cloud Strife was voted as the #5 most iconic character. Cloud was also the top 20 in my own Perception of Smash DLC in Japan, Redux. Black Mage has been elevated within the Smash community due to the false pretense of characters needed to having a strong relation to Nintendo. Sure, he was in Mario Sports Mix, but that doesn’t mean he’s super iconic. His entry in the Super Smash: Flash has solidified this among many but he actually has a lot of issues which may prevent his representation. Essentially, Black Mage has not been the face of the franchise, especially moving forward. This brings me into my next point.
>>316634974
I want Sissel in smash
We need morecatcharacters
>people doing mental gymnastics to say Cloud is relevant to Nintendo and that's why he got in
Jesus give it a rest. The "Nintendo history" thing was never a real rule for third parties, shut the fuck up.
Best girl for Smash, my vote has been cast
>>>316635435
>3. CLOUD HAS PERSONALITY.
>Cloud Strife is NOT a generic avatar. He is a character with a backstory and emotions. His reveal trailer shows this with the incredible amount of references that were jam packed into it. Sakurai has stated a personality is important for consideration. Cloud Strife also follows the tradition of characters in Smash either being a main protagonist of a game, or a recurring enemy (with the sole exception of Sheik, who has been a part of Zelda’s moveset). This is why Black Mage probably wasn’t even on the table for consideration. Consider this (originally made by MaskedMan!): Cloud is not a “generic” character. Instead, he is what other games are trying to imitate with their own characters. He defined the genre, and has made a lasting impact on gaming.
>4.CLOUD IS FAVORABLE TO DEVELOPMENT.
>Chocobo’s have been requested since Melee, but they might be difficult to add as a fighter. Therefore, they got in as the second best thing — a Mii Costume. Chocobo’s might not have had a clear moveset, or other issues holding them back. For more information about being favorable to development, check out the 2008 GDC slide translation.
>5. CLOUD HAS A BRIGHT FUTURE.
>
Cloud is relevant to gaming today. He will be the star of a remake (which I will remind the audience, is going to be on a rival console), and has a cameo in Final Fantasy Explorers. He will continue to serve as a gaming icon, and represent the best of what gaming has to offer. Truly “worthy” of representation in Smash Bros. For more information check out I Answer Some Questions.
>>316634673
>Sakurai gave an interview earlier this year that made someone like Cloud seem impossible but then contradicts himself only a few months later.
What interview are you talking about?
>>316635435
Source gaming doesn't mean shit though, and there's a flaw within the first fucking sentence
>Heihachi being considered for Smash arguably should have killed it
Because Tekken Tag 2 wasn't a thing
>>316635569
Did you actually fill something in the suggestion box?
>>316635686
Yes
>>316635484
>Final Fantasy starting on Nintendo is mental gymnastics
>Cloud being the most iconic FF character is mental gymnastics
Trying to argue these aren't facts is mental gymnastics you retard
>>316635752
What did you put in?
>>316625780
When will he be available? He could be the character that brings me back to sm4sh since I realized that Shulk isnt as fun as I thought he would be. Fucking Japs and their habit of announcing shit without a single word when its actually out.
>new trailer
>black screen
>this music starts playing
>it'sLiu Kang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMFw4s-UHEU
How funny would it have been if they added Lightning or Noctis instead?
>>316635854
I said she was really cool and would represent women fighters well after everyone called them sexist because of ZZS
>>316635984
There's no way in hell Ed Boon would allow them to choose Liu Kang over Scorpion
>>316636068
>not suggesting the original Lara Croft
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/10/05/sakuraithirdparty/
Sakurai has talked about third-party characters in his e-mail response on Brawl’s website (Japanese, archived). PLEASE NOTE I ADDED THE NUMBERS AND BOLD INTO THE TRANSLATION.
“Manga characters will not join the battle (obviously).
While it’s true that we’ve added characters from other companies,
It’s not going to be anyone and everyone.
Smash is a game that’s made from everyone’s effort.
Both companies have to want the character to join the battle.
I need them to let me take charge of the character.
In order to fit the character into the world of Smash, I need them to allow me some artistic license.
The character must carry game history with them.
Besides that, it might be something like a courtesy to include a character who has the experience of being on a Nintendo platform.
>>316625780
Shitposting.
>>316636131
>Sakurai
>allowing anything but the main character
>>316635828
Saying Cloud is relevant to Nintendo is mental gymnastics. Cloud as a character has fuck all to do with Nintendo. He has a lot to do with gaming and his series has been on Nintendo (but honestly most of the stuff they add will be FFVII only I guarantee it). But no, Cloud is not by any stretch relevant to Nintendo. He didn't get in because of any sort of relevancy to Nintendo. People need to stop trying to rationalise it from that perspective.
>>316636150
>The character must carry game history with them.
>Besides that, it might be something like a courtesy to include a character who has the experience of being on a Nintendo platform.
And Cloud fits both, Sakurai's rules have never been bent or broken. Just the idiotic self imposed rules fans made up.
>>316636150
>Sakurai says no Cloud
>higher ups tell him to put in Cloud
>He does it, absolute madman
his word means nothing
>>316636139
Not him,
OG Lara was a sex symbol whose giant tits were a freak accident
Should look more at Japanese devs than western ones.
>Namco gets Pacman
>Sega gets Sonic
>Square gets Cloud
>Capcom gets Megaman and Ryu
>Konami had Snake
So which other notable Japanese publishers do we have with iconic characters?
Like a ninja gaiden character from Tecmo Koei or a Snake return. Maybe someone from Platinum?
>>316636278
>Saying Snake is relevant to Nintendo is mental gymnastics. Snake as a character has fuck all to do with Nintendo. He has a lot to do with gaming and his series has been on Nintendo (but honestly most of the stuff they add will be MGS1 only I guarantee it). But no, Snake is not by any stretch relevant to Nintendo. He didn't get in because of any sort of relevancy to Nintendo. People need to stop trying to rationalise it from that perspective.
You can stop making yourself look like a retard now.
>>316636317
Is that official Tomb Raider artwork?
PS1 times were silly.
>>316636317
How you seen the sexualization of the characters not only in Smash but Nintendo as a whole recently?
>>316634429
But Batman would be far to strong to be in Super Smash.
They really can't have overpowered characters in their roster.
>>316636131
>they accept the request for an appearence in smash
>the only character they allow iskano
>>316626731
He DOES have a history. I don't know if you fags even watched a direct but there's a game where you play as Cloud on the 3DS. It's not a strong history but it's a history.
>>316636659
Actually its Bo Rai Cho
>>316636583
Batman's strength would obviously depend on how much time you spend on the character and stage select screens.
>>316636453
>a ninja gaiden character from Tecmo Koei
Yeah, the other Ryu
>>316636453
Raiden from Platinum?
>>316636750
And even if you just look at the FF series as a whole. It started on Nintendo, saved Square's company because of Nintendo, and has had several exclusive games on Nintendo.
Hell its not even the first time Nintendo x FF has happened.
>>316634765
Goku is a very popular character in Japan and has been in plenty of games on Nintendo consoles. A crossover with that type of character is totally reasonable.
>>316636771
sweet. id buy that dlc
>down+b is drinking too much and puking, causing the opponent to slip and fall
>>316636927
>Goku is a very popular character in Japan
goku is extremely popular worldwide, but mostly in the americas. japan likes one piece more. so luffy is up there. europe is europe and they like naruto more than anything
>James Bond was considered for Smash 64
>>316636927
He's a manga character however which is actually a rule that would be broken.
>>316635984
If Scorpion was confirmed, what stage would they give him and with what music?
>>316636894
Raiden is still konami's property, Bayonetta or Wonder Red would make more sense. But doubt they're all that popular.
>>316636467
Snake IS irrelevant to Nintendo, and him getting into Brawl had fuck all to do with having Nintendo history as well know. What point are you even trying to make?
>>316635365
>hell no. no one gives a fuck about batman anywhere NEAR the level that people care about goku
>batman v superman is the second most hyped upcoming movie behind star wars
>a movie is being made solely about batmans villians
>arkham knight despite being shit on PC was one of the highest selling games of the summer
i can't tell if you are a weeb or simply completely oblivious to the outside world.
>>316636265
>tfw Liu Kang isn't even the main character anymore
>Tfw the only few things I want in this world is Ryu vs Scorpionor Liu Kangand a game with both Samus and Master Chief
>Tfw Smash can bring both to life
All you gotta do is believe
>>316636927
Goku's not gonna get in cause he's not a video game original character. So neither will Luffy
>>316636919
That game was developed by SE though.
>>316625780
im hoping for kid goku or superman
>>316631095
>>316630497
>Doomguy gets in
>Doomguy amiibo happens
>It's compatible with a Doom Trilogy (1,2,64) HD Remake
>Said remake has a revised level editor with stackable enemies andMetroids
>>316637465
Replace Chief with Doomguy
>>316637204
The Pit 1 or 2. It's not his stage but it's easily the most popular/well known one. His stage wouldn't work in Smash, what with the skeletons and shit everywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMwVaZuVlUI
>>316636787
i like you i really like you.
>>316637350
nigger im a comic and movie guy ON TOP of also being a video game guy. no one fucking cares about batman like they care about goku. hes popular sure, with the normies, ie the people who dont play video games. comic fans hate the movies and no one besides you apparently in the video game community gives a fuck about batman and are in fact tired of him because of the shitty arkham games
>>316636771
No it's clearly Hsu Hao
>>316637498
It doesn't matter who developed it though, the point was Nintendo cross Final Fantasy isn't something that's never happened before.
