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>prosecutors have full reign of the police force and freely coerce witnesses and destroy and invent evidence as they please
>it is their mission in life to put everyone in jail
>your entire life can come crashing down in three days or fewer
>judge is more or less incapable of independent thought
why is this allowed?
it's japan
>>316529648
this desu
>>316529731
>>316529648
I thought Phoenix Wright lived in America, anon. He lives in Los Angeles and eats hamburgers while sitting around traditional Japanese tables
The trade-off is that Defence Attorneys can have QT assistants with them at the bench.
>>316529856
where is kurain village?
Never played a phoenix wright game before but that's changing tonight, /v/. Where do I start and that I can emulate
>>316529913
S-Santa Monica?
>>316529980
probably at the first game you fucking retard
>>316529980
Google the release order for the series and follow that
First game is just called Ace Attorney: Phoenix Wright
>>316529209
>>316529648
Whats interesting is in the Japanese system it literally does come down witnesses, while most other modern countries realize witnesses are the worst to rely on. Read article I read awhile ago about how DNA evidence proved some semen was not the guys, but the Japanese jailed him because the victim and two other witnesses said it was him.
They really can't tell each other apart.
>>316529980
Everything except Ace Attorney 5 and the Professor Layton crossover can be emulated.
>>316529980
first game
all the DS games are emulateable, ace attorney x layton is 3DS, AA5 is on 3DS/iOS
now get out before spoilers
The manual for the first game describes that the legal system in the games was put in place to deal with the massive backlog of court cases and ensure swift justice.
Not all prosecutors were corrupt but it's not unrealistic to have lawyers acting in their roles. Lawyers defend guilty clients and prosecute innocent ones.
>>316530119
For what it's worth, DNA testing is actually pretty unreliable contrary to how it's portrayed in movies. Not that Japan's system doesn't sound fucked up, because it does.
>>316530272
DNA testing is reliable, a lot of other oft-glamorized forensic testing is not however.
Can someone spoil 2-4 for me
I was in the middle of accusing Adrian and when i tried to resume my save it put me in the middle of 2-3 and I don't have the patience to replay all that shit so I skipped to 3-1 and finished it3-1 is the most uninteresting tutorial case so farit doesn't even adequately explain how that little girl pulled a conscious grown man into a live wire
>>316530272
I've heard the guilty verdict percentage over there is literally more than 99%. Because if someone is put on trial it's seen as a matter of honor that they be convicted. Or something.
Also every Ace Attorney thread that immediately devolves into localization shitposting makes me want to die.
>>316530437
Are you emulating it? because you can download saves at specific checkpoints and stuff
>>316530567
all the saves I can find put you either at the beginning of a case or at the end of the game
>>316530437
>Little girl
She's a demon in disguise.
>>316530272
Not an expert on the subject but I think it depends on how contaminated the sample is and possible relations. Heard court cases where DNA samples were broad enough to be from the persons parents/grandparents.
>>316530723
Miss Dahlia is a goddess!
>>316530437
Dahlia is pure evil
thats all im going to say.
>>316530723
>>316530841
this sounds ominous
>>316529648
seriously, their post office is a bank and uncooked meat is a delicacy. they don't make any sense
>>316529980
In release order, skip the Layton crossover as it's shit.
Olivia is cute! CUTE!
>>316530437
2-4 is a lot of people's favorite case in the entire series, I genuinely recommend that you go back through the bit that you got to and that play it again to the end.
is there a case that rivals 1-3 in sheer boredom?
i can't even articulate why i dislike so much but I do
>>316530437
2-4 is legitimatly the best case go back and finish it.
>>316529209
>Prosecutors are portrayed as the "bad guys" and defense attorneys as the "good guys"
>Prosecutors are also portrayed as being far better paid than defense attorneys
Is this a "Japan" thing? Because this is so contrary to how Western media portrays lawyers.
Also
>Statute of limitations on fucking murder
I know they've since changed it but holy fuck that is a massive oversight.
>>316531445
you learn to like that case as a whole. Its very important to the rest of the game.
>>316531445
i used to think it was boring but i recently replayed it, it's pretty decent. it's just sandwiched between two great cases
>>316531445
I liked the antagonist of that case. That was about it really.
>>316530940
>skipping vs Layton qts
Nah.
>>316531645
1-4 runs a tad long
1-5 is ridiculous though
Is AA6 going to have a cut case again which will be better than the entire main game again?
>>316531497
How is it a massive oversight?
>>316532009
if the case is scaled down to 3 days then logically the statue of limitations should be a month or two
>>316532009
>murder someone
>literally worst offence possible
>wait manage to get away with it for 15 years
>suddenly decisive evidence proves that you are guilty
>lol, sorry boys, too slow!
It's pretty fucking stupid. It's quite rare for civilized countries to have a statue of limitations on capital crimes for just that reason.
Imagine being the family of the victim in such a situation.
TO ERR IS HUMAN
>>316532241
>>316531497
Reminder that this asshole got away with murder in the end even though he confesses
>>316529980
>>316532223
>>316532241
Thought he meant that including it in the game was an oversight, not the existence of it in real life.
>>316532749
>giving your shitty opinions
>text walls
Fuck off with this picture
>>316532502
But he didn't?
>>316533029
He did. At first he was arrested but proving Jeff innocent would null that year of trial proceedings and thus the limitations ran out on Gustavia
>>316532502
At the very least the reputation he spent all his life building would be wrecked, so there's that consolation I guess.
>>316533147
Wait, I don't remember this. Do they mention this in the following cases? Because I was sure this guy was finally, absolutely, really caught after a confrontation that dragged on for too long.
>>316533320
Ray mentions it while they're visiting Jeff at the detention center after the case is over. He mentions how it was a contradiction in the law.
>>316533447
Well, fuck. I need to play AAI2 again anyway. I didn't play all the cases close together since the patch for the first three cases came out a while before the final patch.
>>316530272
No DNA evidence is always solid however can be easily misunderstood. Most common example is they find hair or whatever DNA of a guy at the scene and assume he did it when really it just shows he at some point was there.
>>316531445
It had a cool twist the first time you play it, the first time you play an AA game.
Honestly, there's been a lot of other cases since that are worse, but they might be more grating than just boring.
Just finished 4-3 on my run through the games again.
It wasn't as bad as I remembered, but still pretty horrible. I don't know if 2-3 is still better than it, something which I used to think.
4-2 really dropped for me, though, fuck. Apollo Justice in general feels like an unfinished draft after the trilogy.
>>316529980
An actual good picture unlike >>316532749
>>316534407
I liked AJ better than DD
But I liked the DLC case better than AJ
>>316535251
I'll play DD again after this, see how it holds up. I doubt I'll get as annoyed by that game as with AJ, though - the gameplay is fucking awful, I'd rather have the linearity of DD over the completely nonsensicality of AJ I'm pretty sure. Especially coming off the trilogy makes it stand out a lot.
>>316535484
No thanks. I prefer to actually play the game myself instead of autoplaying like DD does.
DD burned me out on the shittiness of the first three cases. 5-4 was solid but 5-5 was just "lol let's rehash 1-5 and 1-4"
Trials were a fucking joke. The game played itself.
They better fix that shit in AA6
>>316535484
IMO DD isn't as irritating, more like it's just sorta disappointing really.
Mood Matrix and Thought Route would actually be really tense mechanics if gimmicks actually had penalties attached to them like they do in every other game.
>>316529913
in the Chinatown part of Los Angeles, c'mon man.
>>316535725
The problem with AJ is kind of the opposite in investigation - there are weird ass cues that don't even give you anything that suddenly make someone appear at some random location with pretty much no indication of what and when. It's really bad. There's a happy medium here which the trilogy did pretty well (and I miss presenting profiles, too, shit was fun).
And then in court the game suddenly goes from super obscure to just having Trucy or Klavier do the contradictions for you, fuck that.
>>316536041
>The problem with AJ is kind of the opposite in investigation - there are weird ass cues that don't even give you anything that suddenly make someone appear at some random location with pretty much no indication of what and when
That's every game.
Your fault if AJ is too hard for you.
Should I continue the games in this franchise?
I played the first 3 and Apollo Justice.
Are the newer games worth it?
>>316536214
It's not every game. I just played the trilogy before this one, doing them all in a row, and the drop in quality is super noticable in the gameplay.
The trilogy tends to open up every single person in an investigation at once, and when an area is done, give you some indication of that it is (Phoenix will often mention "that's all we could find" or whatever). Investigation flows way better in those games because of it, interactions make sense, it's sometimes tricky figuring out what you need but it's not as completely random as AJ tends to be.
AJ tends to border off evidence or witnesses for no actual reason too, which is really obnoxious. Wocky doesn't talk to you because "you ran out of time, visiting hours are over lol", there's random evidence of which you can only pick up one out of two on day 1 while on day 2 you can pick them both up, there's that damn earpiece lying in plain sight all day in 4-3 but you can't pick it up because... no reason. It feels really awkward.
>>316536608
Sure.
AAI2 is very worth it but you have to force yourself through AAI first.
>>316536608
>he didn't play AAI and AAI2
>>316536608
There are no bad games in the series, go for it. The only stipulation is to play AAI1 before AAI2, but PLvAA and DD aren't particularly connected so play them any time.
>>316536708
I never had that problem in AJ because the investigations felt more complex than trilogy.
Only because it wasn't holding your hand like the trilogy did doesn't mean it's bad.
>>316536910
Trilogy doesn't hold your hand, jesus christ, it has investigations make actual logical sense, which was the point.
AJ isn't a "harder" game, because often it's still very easy to figure out what's up, it's just super arbitrary on where to go and what to present.
>>316536735
What's so bad about AAI?
>>316536608
They're all varying levels of enjoyable, or atleast I thought so anyway.
There are only two games in the entire series where I personally really enjoyed every single case, otherwise it's a fairly hit-or-miss franchise for me case-wise. I've always stuck with the series mainly for the enjoyable core cast of characters.
>>316533447
I thought the point was Shields felt bad he had to rely on a statute of limitations extension that was only available because he failed Masters previously. Thus it had to seem like Edgeworth's idea, and Gustavia had that adorable final breakdown animation
>>316537129
Nothing in particular, just go for it
>>316536910
>Only because it wasn't holding your hand like the trilogy
It wasn't any less handholdy than before, it's just that even moreso than in previous games absolutely everyone is an asshole in AJ for no particular/explained reason. This was something that was present in earlier games to a degree but it's cranked up to 11 in AJ.
>>316537473
>everyone was an asshole
Oh gee maybe it has to do with the atmosphere and the point of the game?
>>316537473
It feels like they have to keep things a mystery until a certain point but they have no clue on how to do that elegantly, so they just have everyone lie or be a dick for no reason.
>>316537636
What does that have to do with my point? AJ isn't "less handholdy".
>>316537636
What "point"? It doesn't create any atmosphere, it just makes everyone a dick. Only 4-3 ends up poking towards the jurist system, which was the main "point" anyway.
Because the legal system is shit one way or another, one country or another
>>316537807
It's the fucking same as the trilogy
>talk to witness
>run out of stuff to talk about
>present stuff just in case
Stop bitching because the game suddenly FELT too hard for you.
>>316538181
Seriously, replay the games, you don't know what you're talking about.
>>316538181
>because the game suddenly FELT too hard for you.
I'm saying the opposite of that though
An anon said that AJ felt less handholdy, I'm saying that it doesn't
>>316538306
I just replayed AJ two weeks ago.
>it was hard for me so it had to be hard for everyone else
>>316538447
Play the trilogy to compare, then.
Also stop throwing out that shitty strawman, that's not what we're saying at all.
>>316538535
You're making stuff up about a supposedly difficulty/crypticness that doesn't really exist based on your shitty opinions.
And when someone tells you that's not the case, you're trying to force your shitty opinions on them and tell them they're wrong even if they had no issue with this supposed "difficulty" that you bitch about.
>>316538821
No-one is talking about the difficulty you massive retard
You're the only one who's been saying you think it's "too hard" for us
The problem is that the investigations feel like they make much less sense than before and you're opening triggers to new witnesses or locations completely by chance rather than by thinking, which is frustrating and unfun. The trilogy made it pretty clear whenever you could move on. The removal of Psyche-Locks is part of this, but definitely not all - a lot of stuff in AJ is locked out for no reason. Remember the "choose the slipper or the mirror", because suddenly we don't have infinite pockets any more? Or the random tapering off of Tiala's footprint? Wocky not being able to be talked to? Lamiroir not realizing she was in a completely fucking different song for some reason? You needing to inspect the slipper's bottom before the obvious slipper footprint could be matched?
This shit happens throughout and is mostly just bad writing, which in a point-n-click means bad gameplay. I'm not making this up, I just finished the damn case, and the trilogy before that.
>>316537636
Everyone lying for no reason doesn't really add to the atmosphere to the game so much as it just makes the story dumber.
>>316539331
Tell me who "lies for no reason"
>>316539438
Klavier wastes an entire court day pretending he doesn't know what happened in 4-3, Stickler lies about the direction he came from for no reason, Lamiroir doesn't mention she saw the murder in her own song until way late into the first court day for no reason, everyone lies about the Kitaki gun in 4-2 for no reason, Ema doesn't show any evidence and lies about what she has ont he first day of 4-2 for no reason, and then she checks the fucking air vent for fingerprints but not the revolver in 4-3 for no reason.
Enough? Is your autism satisfied?
>>316539890
Klavier didn't lie. He didn't know what happened until the 2nd day trial
Stickler lied because he didn't want people to find out he stole panties
Lamiroir lied because she couldn't reveal Valant's trick
Kitaki lied because he thought lying and going to jail would make him hardcoar
Ema doesn't lie. She just remembers things wrong.
Everyone had a reason to lie.
You know who just lies for no reason? Lotta, the cast of assholes in 5-3, Phoenix in 3-1, Damian in 5-2 and Director Cosmos.
>1-2
>1-4
>2-4
>3-1
I'm currently on the second case of Justice for All, somebody explain this number shit for me.
>>316540341
Not him but none of the characters you listed lied for no reason either. I think people are mixing up petty reasoning with having no reasoning.
I can't actually think of a character who lied for absolutely no reason.
>>316540437
Game-Case number
So Justice For All's 2nd case would be 2-2.
>>316540437
game-case
>>316540341
>Klavier didn't lie. He didn't know what happened until the 2nd day trial
He did know what happened, the entire fucking cast even comments on it and Ema says she feels bamboozled
>Stickler lied because he didn't want people to find out he stole panties
He didn't have any reason to say he didn't come from the north, at all, the whole panties shit only turned up because he lied for no reason about the direction he came from
>Lamiroir lied because she couldn't reveal Valant's trick
This wasn't even relevant at that part of the case, the basic assumption was wrong and there was no reason she wouldn't have mentioned that. "Protecting Machi", remember?
>Kitaki lied because he thought lying and going to jail would make him hardcoar
This isn't what I was talking about (though the game plays this really badly, too). The murder weapon, a gun, never had Wocky's fingerprints (a recurring shitty theme in AJ) and wasn't found anywhere near the murder scene. This is never mentioned at all by anyone even though it makes zero sense, and then Ema has the gall to go "yeah it must've been Wocky" for no reason.
>>316540563
>Robin lied about being a man because...
>Hugh lied about his age because...
>Damian lied about the crime scene because...
>Myriam lied about what she saw because...
>Lotta lied about the photographs because...
>>316540676
>Robin lied about being a man because...
Her parents raised her that way
>Hugh lied about his age because...
He didn't want to reveal that he was a massive loser
>Damian lied about the crime scene because...
Wasn't this the entire point of discussion for some of the cross-examinations near the end? He had to lie
>Myriam lied about what she saw because...
Admittedly I'm not sure what you're referring to here
>>Lotta lied about the photographs because...
because muh scoop
At worst these are all about as petty as Lamiroir not revealing Valant's magic trick.And by that I mean that it's pretty dumb but it's not having no reason at all.
>>316540563
>>316540578
Oh, thought so.
Also, do the evidence inspections come back after 1-5? I loved that case and liked the gimmick since it added more shit to do than point and click everywhere.
>>316541145
that was a DS only thing, so in AJ-onwards there's that feature. the original trilogy was all on GBA
>>316541145
It's in the games after AA3, yeah. The first 3 AA games originally came out on the GBA and were then ported to the DS and then translated into english. 1-5 was actually written for the DS release, which is why it's basically self-contained and seperate from the rest of the trilogy.
>>316540659
Klavier was still accusing Machi all the way until the 2nd day. It wasn't until he called Daryan to the stand that he knew he did it.
Stickler lied because coming from the north meant he was standing close to the trash can, where panties were.
Wocky was arrested because the Kitaki gun was left near the cart from where Alita used it, even though it didn't have his fingerprints,
He was arrested because of that gun + the knife was left there and that one did have his fingerprints.
I liked the trilogy. I thought AJ was OK. I thought DD was dogshit and they should've continued AJ instead to redeem it.
>>316541446
I found the original game great
AA2 and AA3 weak aside from 2-4
AJ as shit
DD as great
AAI as ok
AAI2 as the best one.
>>316541446
DD was serviceable, it kept me awake unlike AJ.
>Sorry judge I'm not seeing it, I'd like to ask to rewind and play the tape again
>>316541641
At least AJ had cases that made sense.
>>316541446
They continued the courtroom revolution thing that they've started doing since AJ. They just dropped/ignored the Apollo/Trucy sibling thing.
Juries were probably dropped because the actual Japanese courts dropped it from their legal system after running a poorly recieved trial run of it.
Sales-wise it'd make no sense, but I'd love for Yamazaki & his team to make AAI3 with the DGS series getting pushed in the meantime.
>>316541749
Don't forget how he dropped lotions with his fucking name on it everywhere.
>>316541749
Bullshit, that same concert case in AJ had Apollo prove that the little blind shit couldn't fire the gun without breaking a bone, yet this gets completely ignored and Apollo gets put on blast until the guy with the antagonistic haircut shows up to feed the defense a win.
>>316541749
>4-3 making sense
>Everything regarding the Gramaryes making sense
Literal perfection coming through!
>>316541991
>>316541993
The only stupid thing in 4-3 was accusing Machi of firing the revolver.
Otherwise, the case made sense logically unlike 5-2 clusterfuck
>>316541256
>>316541338
>the original trilogy was all on GBA
Well that explains the low filesize and me somehow thinking i could emulate them from GBA, even though i never found them.
Either way, tangentially related, but how are the Proffessor Layton games?
>>316541564
>>316541641
I respectfully disagree with most of your opinions. I was sleeping through 5-2, and I'm surprised people dont give it shit like 4-3 when it was also ridiculous. 5-3 was great and set up some decent drama until they shoehorned means as the villain to save the friendship. 5-4 was boring as fuck, thank god for 5-5, but 5-5 was also ruined by gay friendship shit like Apollo post Klaiver-mode and how they beat the phantom with feelings.
>>316542170
Layton games are great if you're willing to suspend your disbelief and dive into the game's world
>>316542170
>how are the Professor Layton games?
they're pretty good if you can just roll with the story because they can take unexpected turns.
>>316542305
>how they beat the phantom with feelings.
What in the fuck, this never happened
>>316542170
I've only played the first 3 Layton games, I've heard weird things about the later games.
The ones I played were comfy puzzle solving games, that work better as games to play every now and then instead of burning through all at once like with AA.
Stories usually start good and go full ayylmao by the end. First PL isn't that story heavy compared to the others from what I remember.
All in all it's more of an acquired taste compared to Ace Attorney imo.
>>316542623
Good job cutting out all the actual context regarding how Phantom was acting under the fear of getting assassinated on the spot if his identity got out.
>>316542560
The prequel trilogy was okay. They tried to have an overarching story in the background while having a main story, though the closure in Azran Legacy was not very well done. I loved Miracle Mask, though.
>>316542937
How is that relevant? He states right there that he feels fear
>>316542170
The Layton games are good and if you can get into them try and watch the movie.
>>316543063
>How is that relevant?
It's his entire motive for everything, it's what most of his cross-examination is about and it's the specific thing he fears in this monologue
My point was that there was more to it than him just being defeated "with feelings"
>>316542467
>>316542305
>>316543403
Aside from the no penalty thing (which was a problem with DD as a whole, none of the character-specific mechanics had penalties in DD) why do people dislike Mood Matrix so much anyway? It's a pretty flexible mechanic that enabled the topic of character motivations to be explored in further detail
I see people here praising Percieve all the time, when it's not even that different really
>Mood Matrix = Athena's special hearing augmented by her computer gadget to press for information
>Percieve = Apollo's special sight augmented by his magic vibrating bracelet to press for information
The only major mechanical difference being that the Mood Matrix doubled as another way to look for contradictions in the information given, whereas Percieve was essentially a pixel hunting minigame.
Both the emotional mindset/disposition of a person and nervous twitches are equally reasonable things to consider in AA's scenarios as well.
>>316544156
>why do people dislike Mood Matrix so much anyway?
To me it's a very awkward mechanic
>um, so rubble began falling on me
>LOL BUT WAIT A MINUTE, DID YOU FEEL HAPPY?!
>oh yes, now that mention it I was happy because Apollo rescued me
>LOL BUT WAIT A MINUTE, DID YOU FEEL SAD?
>oh yes, because my plushie was lost
>>316544156
There were times where Athena or Blackquill would mention actual psychological theories that were applicable during cases. That was way more interesting then WAIT HE KILLED YOUR MOM WHY WERE YOU HAPPY??
>>316544434
>>316544587
It was awkward in application at times but by the end of the game it became evident how flexible a mechanic it was; where it wasn't just emotions that were present that could be a factor but also ones that weren't, and then there's the issue of the intensity of emotions to consider as well.
The example regarding Juniper was definitely one of the weaker instances of it, though to be fair that was basically the Mood Matrix tutorial. It sucks when they decide to make the first cases really blatant tutorial cases.
Played the first three trials of the first game but can't get myself to finish the game. It's too repetitive. The assisting cast is too condescending, you literally can't game over, and the police / judge is fucking retarded beyond recognition. What's the point of having a video game if you can simply try each and every option without repercussions? Might just as well watch the anime.
>>316545000
>What's the point of having a video game if you can simply try each and every option without repercussions?
In the trial segments you get penalized for doing that and you can get game overs this way
The investigation segments are essentially just point-and-click games
and yeah the legal system in this setting sucks, that's why you're there and all that
>>316545000
You only get 5 tries. Did you even play the game?
>>316529648
>Vera is left-handed
My waifu
>>316532997
>shitty opinions
They seem to be in line with the majority of Ace Attorney fans.
>>316545000
>Might just as well watch the anime.
A-anon...
>>316545406
>muh hivemind
Fuck off x2
>>316544156
Perceive was so fucking cool though.
>The music
>The trembling, focused eye
>Kristoph's hand
>>316545471
It's not a hivemind, it's just that most ace attorney fans on /v/ seem to agree that AA3 and AAI2 are the best in the series and AA2, AA4, and AAI are the worst.
A hivemind would be trying to silence anyone who holds a different opinion, and /v/ is fairly open minded compared to other forums (you won't get banned here for disagreeing with mods)
>>316545607
I love the idea and the music for it is great, just not a big fan of how it works
though yeah it has it's cool moments like that one you mentioned
>>316545000
>Wanting to be a secondary
Nah, fuck off, this series is too good for you to play.
Is it ok to fap to Pearl yet
>>316529209
PD here. That's how they would act if they were allowed to.
>>316546036
You sick fuck.
>>316546036
You're saying it's not?
>>316546036
She'll 18 by AA6
>>316546719
Is there porn of this yet
>>316545779
AA2 is in this weird equilibrium where 2-4 makes up for 2-1 and 2-3
>>316546809
No you sick fuck.There is barely any AA porn. I guess some things are sacred after all
>>316546926
I think I remember seeing porn of that girl in DD who was scared of demons. If I remember it it must be pretty good
2-1 is fine
i like the intro cases because collecting evidence is ridiculously boring
>>316547083
All the stupid shit the characters do during investigation phases are one of my favorite things in these games to be honest.
>>316546821
I don't think people are saying AA2, AA4, and AAI are bad games, it's just that they're weaker entries in comparison to the rest of the series.
Do you think Pearls will develop as much "spirituality" as her big cousin Mia?
>>316546719
You're still a sick fuck.
