So I tried Fallout 2 after /v/ shat on Fallout 4 and told me to try the old games to see what Fallout was like.
I can't even kill the first two ants without savescumming. This is fucking retarded.
If this is what the old Fallouts were like, I'd rather stick with the new ones.
>>316524545
git gud
You were probably extremely unlucky if you missed nonstop. Anyways, you can just run past the ants.
>6 strength
>can't even smash a fucking ant
Nice job Interplay
>>316524545
>AG 1
Why are you so fucking retarded?
>>316524545
>1 action point
Yea, have fun.
>10 in a stat that isn't Agility
Don't do this, it's bad
In Fallout 2, Agility is GOD because it determines your ap.
>>316524545
>I can't even kill the first two ants without savescumming. This is fucking retarded.
You're fucking retarded
>>316524545
>3 action points
nice bait
>>316524705
>AGI on a diplomatic big guns build
For what purpose? Look at what I've tagged, retard.
>>316524545
>1 A
lel
>>316524847
>trying this hard
Just go away.
>>316524847
Because Agility matters more than literally anything else in the game.
>>316524847
Have fun firing those gun with 3 AP
>no reading the game manual before playing the game
Kids these days I swear
>>316524545
hahhahah with those action points you wont make it to the final test
lol just noticed the 3 AP, that's pretty bad...
It's doable though, but only if you avoid battles or get like 5 companions.
>>316524956
So basically I'm forced to get high agility to go through the fucking tutorial? I don't want to play a sneaky character, what a fucking let down this game was.
>1 Agility
>ONE FUCKING AGILITY
You dun guf, OP. Really bad.
>>316525109
>I don't want to play a sneaky characte
It has nothing to do with sneaking.
Agility in FO1 and 2 determines your AP, which is how many times you can act in a turn. The more AP you have, the more of an advantage you have in fights.
>>316525109
I see through your bait.
>6 Strength
>1 Agility
You're something special, kid.
kill you are self OP and never play vidya james again
>>316524545
>one agi
>min-maxing for max charisma and int
You aren't built to kill anything. Reroll a new character unless you want to savescum your way to a full party and play the entire game as a non-combat char.
>>316524545
There's a bunch of like-minded people you should go talk to. rpgcodex if I'm not mistaken.
desu phams, is it really an RPG when there is only one viable build? If he wants to build no agility, he should still be able to kill fucking rats
>forced to channel AGI
i forgot how shit this game was
you can run through the start without killing anything
it's literally all I do every time I play the game because that starting tutorial is so awful
Congratulations OP! You are roleplaying as a man that cannot survive the wasteland.
>>316525109
You don't NEED high Agility. It's just that Agility is the best stat as it determines how mobile your character is per turn. High Agility builds can lock melee characters into using up their turn in catching up to you, then following it up by hitting them, rinse and repeat.
It's completely possible to power through your enemies with your build, but long battles will wear down your character.
>>316525649
You don't have to. But you should put at least 5 in it.
>>316525673
this
>>316525587
you can play a 1 agility build but you have to actually be good at the game and know what you are doing
just like in every RPG ever
>>316524545
>puts least possible amount of points in the single universally important combat attribute
>is surprised his character sucks at combat
This isn't FO3 where your attributes don't matter.
>>316524545
>Agility: 1
>Can't kill an ant
>>316524847
Because with low agi, you'll be able to fire those big guns once every two rounds or so.
Fucking AP, how does it work?
>>316525587
On the contrary - making every character able to pass all challenges with the same ease would make it a bad RPG.
The game reacts to him having the lowest possible number on the most important combat stat by making the combat fucking hard for him. Why should an exclusively chra/int character have an easy time with combat?
I'm pretty sure the game is beatable even with this build, but it will be extremely hard, at least in the beginning.
>>316525540
>kill you are self OP
Kill yourself faggot and never write in English again
OP is roleplaying as a suave Steven Hawking.
>"HEY BABE YOUR HEART IS RELATIVE TO MINE"
>>316524545
>AC 3
XD
>>316525935
>>316524545
They're such a chore. To do anything iis a chore. It's a chore to travel. It's a chore to switch between your menus. It's a chore to hold your mouse buttons to pick your particular interaction.
Worse than those old RPGs that have you interact with everything with a menu, like Dragon Warrior or Earthbound.
Fallout 4 is a better RPG than any other fallout.
It actually lets you use any build you want, without worrying about dump stats like INT and AGI.
Also, I hate the karma system, and am glad they got rid of it. Binary morality is just straight up retarded. It's much better now that I get to interpret my actions how I want to.
Anyone hating on f4 and still praising mediocre 20 year old games probably has an incurable case of of the hipsters.
>>316525915
How should he? He can only punch once. And his unarmed is also shit.
>>316525974
*AP
yet still, wtf?!
>>316526003
>It's a chore to switch between your menus.
This coming from a person who's probably played the past Bethesda fallouts sounds disingenuous.
>>316526037
I'm laughing exactly at that
>AG - 01
>>316526003
>It's a chore to hold your mouse buttons to pick your particular interaction
lmao
>>316526124
F1/F2/F3. Stats, Items, Quests/Maps. It's really easy.
Also get a UI mod that puts all NPC dialogue in one window
>>316526220
It's unintuitive. It needs context clues and not the text adventure shit "here is your list of possible interactions, TRY IT ON EVERYTHING!"
>>316524545
>3 EN
>1 AG
>3 LK
>if this is what the old fallouts were like, I'd rather stick with the new ones
This is some purty gud b8 m8.
Yeah, stick with the new ones. They are probably more for your intelligence level.
>>316524545
>EN 10
>CH 10
>OH LOOK I MADE HITLER LIKE 4CHIN TOLD ME TO
>instant fail
>>316524545
Fallout 2 is a great game and you're a bad person for not being able to figure it out.
However 4 is legitimately better than 2 and even a filthy casual like you can bask in it's glory. Stick to 4. It's objectively better and doesn't require you to figure out an obtuse and archaic ruleset to enjoy.
>>316526323
>It's unintuitive[...]
Holy shit you mean you weren't just baiting?
rofl
>>316526463
>fallout 4 is better because it's easier
>it's better because it's an fps!
>>316526324
3 In endurance itself is not that bad(if you dont know how hp is calculated), in fact having more then 4 is a waste.
>>316526526
It legitimately is unintuitive.
In fact, if you've only played newer fallouts youd have no idea that AG1 makes you a cripple. You'd think ag 1 is just mediocre.
Get off your high horse.
>fallout 4
>you find a power armor, literally rip out a minigun out of a vertibird and get to slaughter a deathclaw
>fallout 2
>you repeatedly get killed by ants and scorpions
>>316526592
No, it's better because his build would be totally viable in 4.
It's also better because it replaces the tag skills with SPECIAL and perks.
Meaning you don't have to choose only 3-6 things to be good at, you're good at everything a person with your stats would be good at. With perks as accents to fine tune your character example being you might be real perceptive but not a thief so you'd have no need for a pick pocket boost.
It always bugged me that fast perceptive characters in older fallout games were shit with guns they didn't specialize in for example. Fallout 4 did it better imo.
>>316526614
>not wanting to be a pornstar in New Reno
U gay familia?
>>316524545
>big guns
>repair
>speech
>CH 10
>IN 10
>PE 9
oh, you sure were ready for a long run, now did you, son?
HAHAHAHAHAAHA
>>316526926
Yeah, I too think it's absolutely hilarious that you need to have a specific build just to finish a game. Now that's quality roleplaying experience.
>>316526641
Except in character creation, nay, EVERYWHERE ON THE SHEET AT ALL TIMES you can see exactly what everything does.
So when you distribute your stats you can literally see what the stat is doing to your character. You can see all those percentages tanking as agi goes down, and AC and Action Points.
Not clicking to find out what it does when everything you click tells you everything you need to know is NOT A FUCKING EXCUSE.
>>316526870
>No, it's better because his build would be totally viable in 4
You can roll a 1 to all stats build and still play fo3, nv or 4 without any real issues.
>>316524545
CRPGs aren't know for their gameplay. Just suck it up, attack everything in the crotch, and hope enemies get crit and explode.
>>316526886
I could never degrade myself to have sex with anyone in the Fallout universe.
And then came Myron...
>>316526641
>If you've only played newer fallouts
Found your problem mate.
>>316526641
>if you only played newer Fallouts
If this is the case then you're right. If you're so young that Fallout 3 was your first Fallout then you probably shouldn't play the originals. They're far too advanced and complicated for someone raised on FOLLOW THE MARKER TO STUFF, PRESS BUTTON ONCE PROMPTED, VIEW REWARD FOR FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS kind of RPG's that flood the market.
>>316527171
>implying you'd know what an action point is or how many it takes to fire a gun if you'd never played fallout before
Face it, to enjoy Fallout 1-2 takes a very specific kind of person. It's clunky and outdated. Still two of my older games but pretending they're friendly to younger kids looking to try them out after enjoying 3, nv, or 4 is silly.
>>316527173
Not in 4.
You'd have no decent perks and you'd have shitty skills all around since special is much more important skillwise in 4.
>>316527161
Almost every build can be viable.
But you specifically built a build that cannot handle combat.
In an RPG where you don't have 4 other players to protect you at the table.
You rolled up a character with the equivalent of rolling a 3 dex (and chose to have shittier-than-average luck, basically "hey I take a -1 to every roll ever") and are wondering why everything's hitting you and why you can't hit anything when walking a sorta straight line is more than you can handle with your motor-skills.
>>316527449
I'm 28 years old anon, I played fallout on a burnt cd when I was like 14. Replayed it every couple of years since then.
If you think it's something someone will enjoy forcing themselves to play, you're wrong.
Actively discouraging newbies by insulting them for not knowing the metagame makes you seem like an elitist cunt btw. No wonder we didn't get a real fallout 3 with people like you in the fanbase.
>>316527457
Ayy f3 is my first fallout, tried f1 and I loved it and inderstand why f3 is bad
>>316527161
>a retarded ham beast without any useful skills or abilities should be able to get through an adventure in the wasteland
Found the special snowflake
>>316526641
I never once made a character with less than 5 AGI because it was obviously terrible for a combat character, and I was 9 years old the first time I played F1.
If somehow you failed to realize that, the first combat should make it obvious, and it occurs within minutes of starting the game.
It's not unintuitive, you're just legitimately bad at games.
>>316527161
pro tip: no "specific builds" are needed to finish this game, just brain and love for RPG
>>316527774
>I should be the one to decide what players get to roleplay
okay pal
>>316527487
you would! if you clicked it you would!
"The number of actions that the character can take during one combat turn."
THAT doesn't sound motherfucking important to you?
>Hey, everyone seems to have an average of five of these actions per turn. SURELY HAVING ONLY THREE WILL BENEFIT ME IN ALL THE WAYS.
>>316524545
>1 Agility
>complains he can't hit anything
Gee I wonder why.
>>316524545
Hi Todd
>>316527774
He'd get through 4 just fine.
With his insane perception, intelligence and charisma he'd be going full Tony Stark with customized power armor and guns, sniping from a distance, and rebuilding the god damn waste land.
You tell me which is better
Fallout 2) Lol you get eaten by unavoidable ants and/or beaten to death by a tribal, fuck you.
or
Fallout 4) Genius sniper with high tech gear and shit tons of resources from Hitler level charisma
>>316527845
Well you really can't, that's the point.
If you have less than 5 AG you can't fight. It's extremely limiting and it's a direct result of Interplay trying to make up an rpg system in a few months because they couldn't afford the liscense to use GURPS.
>>316527916
The average character would have 7 action points. It's AP = 5 + floor(AGI/2). OP would have 5 with his 1 AGI build if he hadn't picked Bruiser (-2AP for +2 STR) as a trait.
Something's wrong here.
Base value for AP was 5 + 1/2AGI
Someone with 1 Agi should have 5 not 3. goes to 6 at Agi 2, and so on.
Fallout 2 combat is a broken mess
AGI is outrageously overpowered
STR is useless because power armor and other permanent boosts
Critical hits are retarded to the point no matter your HP and DR you can still be one shot by a burst weapon crit
>>316528031
How about this: IF you create a char that cannot handle a fight, then why are you getting into fights?
OP is a retard either way.
>>316527916
It's completely concievable that someone might htink they can shoot three times or something.
Sure they'd quickly realize it takes 5 whole ap just to shoot 6 to aim for a body part so they'll go back and make a character with enough agility to do so. However, the character they make will be forced on them. What if they want to play a slow clumsy warrior like The Mountain from Game of Thrones or something? They're fucked.
>>316528253
>>316528216
ah nm I didn't notice bruiser.
Gods, EVERYTHING to be unable to do fuck all, that build.
>>316524545
start with fo1 and keep resolution low
>>316528276
>Critical hits are retarded to the point no matter your HP and DR you can still be one shot by a burst weapon crit
High enough DT makes every burst weapon a useless piece of shit
>>316528276
Thats not really exclusive to F2, remember the Super Mutants in 1 that could crit for like 300 damage?
I forgot why I stopped coming to this board, it's full of kids and mental handicaps who can't play games without having their hand held
>>316528330
Because you have no option in 2.
Also who says a genius with insanely good vision and charisma is a pushover? He could just bluff you and make you give up (possible in 4) snipe you before you know he's there (possible in 4, technically in og fallout too but he's not getting through the temple to find out) or create an advantage using his intelligence (possible in 4)
4's just better in terms of player agency and creativity with builds.
>>316528410
Not when some crits bypass anything
>Action Points: 3
>Hmm, yeah this looks okay to me!
>>316528516
>>316528426
This to be honest family.
Power armor gives you a false sense of security until the first time you have to reload because a lucky shot sawed you in half.
This is why I always supplement with psycho. That and psycho is delicious.
>>316528494
You can do basically anything with any build in 4 because they don't mean shit.
>>316527718
I played NV before I played 1 and 2 broski. I had no problem making the transition. Some people need to git gud before they complain about a game being bad.
>>316528494
You can run away from them. There's also a speech check at the end of the trial. Try again.
>>316525263
>>316528494
Wrong dumbass, you can run from every single fight in Fallout 2.
I think you are way too stupid to play Fallout 2, go back to Fallout 4.
>>316524847
>big guns build
>AG 01
How are you going to handle a firearm if you can't even tie your own shoes?
Everyone always talks about Fallout 2, but what about the first game?
I heard it has some sort of time limit or something, and that turned me off from trying it. But Some people seem to prefer it.
>Fallout 2
>travel south because who the fuck cares about the main quest in Fallout games
>find some sort of a military base
>speak my way in
>find power armor and energy weapons for days
How is this different from Fallout 4, exactly? An hour in and you're swimming in expensive weapons and loot.
>>316528494
keep fishing
>>316528704
That's how I know you haven't played it.
The perk system is incredible for creative builds and there's a multitude of options available. that are all different.
So you can stick to older fallout, where all your characters are agile because the combat is broken. Good luck with that.
>>316528772
>>316528885
Cheesing the shitty ai is not a fucking feature.
it's a roleplaying game. In a roleplaying game every character build needs to be viable if character customization is allowed.
Some may work better than others but if I get a wild hair up my ass to make a really weak but super fast boxer be the hero, then that should be the dude.
>>316529037
F1 is a lot smaller than F2.
When do you exactly get good in Fallout 2?
I feel like I'm always weak
Wild life and mutated animals are mostly easy to kill
But holy shit human enemies are a complete pain
There always ALWAYS is waay more of them than you and companions.
They seem to greatly enjoy targetting the main character too. Usually one, JUST ONE critical and you might as well lose half your hp or be knocked down losing a turn, then you still have to survive against the others
The random encounters on the map are the worst
>>316529037
There's a time limit to finish the game, or you'll get the bad end.
>>316529046
You have to avoid multiple encounters with guys who will get the first turn in combat and insta kill you with gauss guns.
You also need the right tag skills, right charisma stat, and need to talk your way in to a point on the map that isn't explored.
Or you're trolling. Have I been trolled?
>I can't even kill these ants this is bullshit
>Makes agility, the most important stat far and wide in the first two games, his dump on a blind playthrough
>>316529046
In fallout 4 you only have access to shitty armor that needs constant battery changes, something a low level character simply can't afford to do so that point you're fighting doesn't even exist.
>>316527887
well then I guess OP's roleplaying as a stupid faggot
>>316529046
>>speak my way in
not really
>>316529037
Fallout 2 is the wacky meme counterpart of Fallout 1.
The time limit is high enough so that you can do side quests pretty comfortably and as long as you listen to what the characters say about your objective you should find finish pretty easily. After that it's pretty much free roam, since they patched the second, hidden time limit to something ridiculous like 5 years. That's more than enough to do literally anything you want in the game.
>>316529216
>When do you exactly get good in Fallout 2?
When you get decent armor, which is pretty much right after leaving Arroyo if you know what you're doing.
>>316527161
You don't need to fight anyone in the temple dude.
>>316529361
That doesn't help shit against criticals
>>316524545
>makes shitty special build (10 int 10 ch 1 agi holy fuck)
>complains game is hard and bad
>>316529116
>Cheesing the shitty ai
Wrong again, mongoloid. Running away from a rat its not cheesing.
GB2 Fallout 4 plz.
>>316529037
fallout 1 is much more accessible fallout 2 I would recommend only to fans
>>316524545
>having to reload a save even once on the intro of Fallout 2.
neo-/v/, everybody.
>>316529537
at least the newer games don't gimp your ability to run different builds.
>>316529559
You'd have to cheese them with 1 ag. You'd run 3 meters per turn vs their 6-10 or whatever.
Your whole build would have to revolve around stealth and movement which is ironic since you'd be doing all that to compensate for your total lack of agility.
>>316529116
>That's how I know you haven't played it.
Or we just have different opinions. Keep suckin' that Todd dick.
I don't know if this bait or not.
/v/ has really fucked up ever since we got split three different times.
seriously I really wish I can go back on a time machine and experience the old community, even if the front page is filled with generals.
at least you could have fun trolling the shit out of them inside their own hugbox.
also the tripfags, those were fun to call retards too.
...I think am getting old.
>>316524847
>>316525109
Read the manual, fuckface.
>>316529716
No it means you literally haven't played it.
1 in all special attributes means no good perks and shit skills at everything.
It'd be impossible to get through the game like that.
>>316525587
"Not having 1 agility" is not a build.
If you are going to drop below 5 agility, you better know what you are doing.
>AG: 1
>LK: 3
kek
>>316529686
Then again, why are you getting into fights in the first place? You can "sneak" past them.
>>316529905
1 in everything isn't a fucking build. That's the absence of a build. Get out of here with this shit. If you just stay in your house and never answer the door at the beginning you can't do anything either, but I wouldn't call that a plan for playing the game.
>>316525587
>Only 1 viable builds
There are dozens of good builds, but you can hardly get through the game if you're a crippled
>>316524847
You had big guns tagged, a weapon category where you need at least six AP to even fire the damn things, all the while having 1 AGI when action points are 5 + (AGI/2) rounded down, on top of having mediocre strength (which is still too poor to handle big guns, both as a weapon and as inventory space in a game where ammo had weight) and being stupid enough to have a 10 in any special stat and tagging junk skills like repair and speech, skills that come into play in main game very rarely.
You literally could not have made a shittier build. This HAS to be bait.
>>316529683
newer games don't make you think either so you get lost and fuckup in the oldies, such is life
>>316529037
In FO1, the time limit isn't low, in your first run it seems hard because you're not familiar with the game but its not difficult to do every sidequest if you dont waste much time travelling.
Although the game doesnt tell you, if you take too long, the ending gets progreesively worse, so keep that in mind.
Its a great game once you commit to playing it.
>>316530229
>junk skills like speech
Get a load of this guy
>>316530086
Because he didn't tag stealth because he wants to play a clusmy genius. Which is the entire point of this thread. Fallout 2 is good, but limits player creativity.
>>316530145
Listen, I only pointed that out because some butthole said you could do that because the rpg mechanics in 4 don't matter.
Obviously they do because with 1 in everything you'd probably struggle to take out a few raiders
>>316530229
>junk skills like speech.
Say what now?
>>316530379
You can sneak past the rat with nothing in sneak, OP is bad at vidya james.
>I chose to get a degree in women's studies from the University of Phoenix
>I should be able to get a job as the CEO of a Fortune 500 company
>The fact that I was denied this opportunity is clearly a sign of systemic oppression
sincerely, OP
>>316530279
>i-it's not bad design it's a feature!
Stop putting the game on a pedestal, it's aged like milk and is only playable to us because we understand the meta.
>>316529683
>gimp your ability
You're the one doing it to yourself. They're RPGs, not Hack n slash or shooters.
If you don't know how to play a RPG, learn, but don't complain like a retard because you didn't even read the manual.
>>316524956
not necessarily. int gets you the skill points to max a lot of skills to 125% and with speech /science/repair the ability to fix the auto doc and other things for implants and so forth. and hardened power armour. and pheonix etc.
>>316530579
>we
Not a hivemind retard
>>316530579
What are you talking about? Games dont age, they are the same they where years ago.
And I can play it fine, no problems since I did that thing called "read the manual"
>>316529683
FO4 don't even have builds. You're efficient at everything.
>>316524545
>1 fucking AG
Apex kek
>>316525109
agi =/= sneaky. agi is speed and reaction time and so on. you need to fump skill points into sneak and sneaky perks until you get em all and sneak up to 125%.
>>316524545
>6 strength
hmm
>3 endurance
wut
>1 agility
you fucking mong
better run for it instead
>>316530709
We being people who played it before retard.
They being people who are new to it and don't like or understand old crpg mechanics.
>>316530743
That's not the point. Once again the point is you can't make a low ag character and have it be viable in fallout 2. That is a failure in the design of the game.
What if in baldur's gate I chose to play a wizard and was denied my magic and had to fight bandits on my own with a shitty staff or dagger? That's basically what happens in fallout to low ag characters.
>>316530825
Mediocre at everything.
>>316530951
ag is also coordination.
You can't be tripping over your feet and be sneaky.
>>316526641
THE GAME FUCKING TELLS YOU THAT 1 IN ANY STAT SUCKS SHIT NEXT TO THE FUCKING NUMBER
Are you illiterate? I wonder.
>>316524545
Fallout 2 is a fucking RNG abomination. Just play 1, same shit, less RNG
>>316530579
but there was no "meta" there, we got those games we played them back in the days and enjoyed it so there is no reason why kids these days shouldn't(unless they are retarded).
It is simple
>>316531020
But you can make a low ag character in fallout 2 and make it viable.
You just have to be smart.
Oh God, I am so copying this thread. This is gold. Come all, come see, tonight at 4chan- oldfags yelling that in old fallouts MUH FREEDOM OF CHOICE, yell that YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN TO PUT ALL POINTS INTO AGILITY. Nigga I wanted ti create a fucking diplomat pacifist, so the game punishes me for that. Just like new vegas, which was shit because charisma was an unneccessary special point.
>>316531241
>You just have to be smart
not going to happen, this is OP we're talking about
>>316525587
there are many many different viable builds. the ability to take any action at all mechanically rather obvious.
ypu don't even actually need combat skills. you can get enough guns and bullets mags for a smart fharacter to get small guns up to 125% for when you Have to kill somethiny. but with 5 companions
>>316531212
It's a fine system for what it is but it doesn't give the players the freedom they've come to expect in vidya. Why should OP have to put points into ag when he doesn't want a coordinated character? It's stupid.
>>316531241
You have to cheese the ai or break your own build by putting all your points into stealth which is an AG skill so that makes zero sense.
He can't even use his perception snipe shit because he's not agile enough to aim and fire at an unaware enemy (because that makes sense)
>>316524545
>int char build
>trying to fight anything that isn't a blind paraplegic mole rat suffering from jet with drawl with 3ap
This is bait right? Anon is shitting me right?
Do fallout 1 and 2 take a long time to play? I only play games if they're short or new.
>>316531325
If you're playing a fucking diplomat pacifist, why the fuck do you think you should be good in a fight?
>>316530297
I thought that speech checks and options were determined by a formula involving speech and CH in FO2? If not, 10 CH gives you 45% speech right off the bat, which is pretty damn meaty, and you can just give a small chunk of skill points per level to speech if you need it earlier on and wait until level 12 and tag it since it would also double all the points you put into it as well. I don't see a reason to tag it right off the bat when you're rolling high CH.
>>316531325
I made a high CHA high INT high STR build.
I beat the tutorial without having to start over, and talked my way out of most battles mid-game (although I had the equipment to win).
Neo-V should invest some time into Dungeons and Dragons. It might give them critical thinking skills.
>>316528334
>any Clegane from GoT
>clumsy
>>316531407
Then they should have made the combat system so that a character with no agility could at least aim and fire a fucking gun once per round. It'd make more sense anyway. aiming at a head and firing is 6 ap. 2 unaimed punches are also 6 ap. arm moves up slightly and the finger moves an inch vs whole arm swings out, connects, retracts and repeat.
>>316531325
>b-but muh pacifist run
You literally can't make a pacifist run in this game, the manual tells you that you will need to fight A LOT in the game.
If you can't read, you're a retard.
>>316531717
1 agility gives you 5 action points, which means you can shoot rifles and aim in VATS with some smaller guns.
>>316531425
Dude you have no idea what you are talking about. Done with you.
Yeah, any random critical hit is a potential game over in the first two Fallout games. Only nostalgia fags defend them. It's a game where save scumming is pretty much part of the mechanics.
>>316531517
1 is shortish, unless you wanna do absolutely everything in the game, even then it's the shortest fallout by far.
2 isn't short unless you're speedrunning and know exactly what to do.
Basically, if you don't have much time or anything 1 would be the best choice, and if you like it play 2 when you have more time.
>>316531425
>Why should OP have to put points into ag when he doesn't want a coordinated character
And he sure got an unbalanced meatbrick character for the ants to eat.
>>316531719
No you idiot! You can! Just cheese the shitty ai that can't detect you unless you step on it!
>>316531837
it's 3. 1 agility gives you three action points.
Op can punch something, slash something with a knife, or throw a flare at it and that's about it.
>>316531639
A 10 INT 10 CHAR character is a monster, you have 5 people doing your shooting, you buy everything for almost nothing, you get millions of skill points, etc.
OP is just a retarded nigger.
>>316531425
>It's a fine system for what it is but it doesn't give the players the freedom they've come to expect in vidya. Why should OP have to put points into ag when he doesn't want a coordinated character? It's stupid.
Because he needs AP? This is a turn-based RPG not an FPS with RPG elements.
Agi is overemphasized and everyone knows it, but this point your trying to make is getting absurd. You shouldn't be able to completely ignore a stat that GIVES YOU AP and then expect to FIGHT.
>>316531964
1 agility gives you 5 action points, OP has just has Bruiser as well which is -2 AP.
>>316524545
>1 agility
>big guns tagged
Big guns are probably the most agility requiring weapons in the game, all of them requires 6 ag to shot and you don't even have fast shot, also they are kind of rare early to mid game so i don't recommend tagging them on a first playthrough. They are fun as fuck once you're set though. You should put more thought on your builds bud. Also, it's fucking useless to tag repair, just get vic. And finally, bruiser is a shitty trait. Just get gifted.
>>316531425
>give everyone a chance!
tell this to the wasteland...
>>316531719
>>316531964
Actually you can finish the game without killing a single thingy (besides the Enclave base, duh) no cheese.
>>316531986
It's a monster 15h into the game, starting like that is fucking cancer.
The ants + geckos will push your shit multiple times.
>>316531964
>it's 3. 1 agility gives you three action points.
No, 1 agi gives you 5 action points. Taking Brawler reduces your AP by 2.
>>316532051
Yeah because that makes sense, you need to be real agile to hulk around with a rocket launcher.
What a shitty fucking game.
Fallout 1-4 are all dogshit.
Source: I played them like a masochist expecting them to get good at some point
>>316531986
By the time I went to New Reno, I had 110% Gambling, 128% Speech, and 148% unarmed.
Infinite money.
>>316532156
>Using a big gun when your arms are crippled completly makes sense
>>316532125
Well a 10 INT character knows when to pick a fight and when not to.
Besides you get the Tribal dude early as fuck.
>>316532160
*I don't like fallout as a whole so I'm gonna say they're shit because they don't appeal to me
fixed
>>316526641
>Neo /v/ tries to play the classics
>>316532252
>very poor
>crippled
Kind of a big distinction.
>>316532249
I can't remember if it's different in 2 because 1 is my jam, but did you just waste 59 points in gambling? I think you only need 51% to get infinite money. That's how it was in 1 anyway.
>>316532252
>>316529346
if you pay any attention at all in f1 the time limit for the water supply is a non issue. and in f2 even getting to the first cut scene from the elder has a relatively negatively high consequence. remembet in f2 your village is sick and dyingband out of resources full stop. whereas in 1 your highly developed tevhnological vault dwelling society metely has a water shortage. and because of muh story reasons no matter what you do they are all doomed anyway.
>>316532406
>>316532252
>Very bad must mean mediocre, yep I am set to go!
>>316532252
Maybe the v stands for like "vice versa" so it's actually good.
>Fallout 4
>you're some generic dude from the past
>Fallout 2
>you have to play as tribal warrior
And people claim that this game has better roleplaying than Fallout 4. What if I want to roleplay a doctor with a knack for energy weapons?
>>316527887
You can roleplay whatever you want, but don't except to do well with a literal retard with no practical skills whatsoever.
>>316532156
1 agility means you can barely stay standing, let alone lug a heavy ass piece of machinery around and point it at shit.
Shit, with 1 agility, every time you go to switch targets you should fall over while Yakety Sax plays.
>>316524545
>cant hit anything
>1 agility
Found your problemyou scrub-ass casual.
>>316532252
What's stupid about this is not that he chose 1 agility, it's that he chose 1 agility without knowing what agility actually governs.
>>316532494
Oh now you are just trying way too hard.
>>316524545
>3 whopping endurance
>10 charisma
>1 int
I know im being baited but holy shit
>>316532406
My character lvl was somewhere in the mid 20s, I wasn't worried about what skills I was dumping into.
At that point I had read enough to get outdoorsman, small guns, science, repair, and first aid to 90%.
>>316532480
How's my son doing in English class Mrs Brown?
Very poorly I'm afraid.
Really? will he need tutoring?
He's dead sir, accidentally swallowed a pencil sideways, you should have known that when I said "very poorly"
>mfw one guy baits 100 morons
Fallout 2's temple is probably the biggest casual filter I can think of
>>316525109
Agility is only stealth in the new games. It determines your speed in the old games, and if you aren't retarded you already know how important speed is in all tactical games.
>>316532584
Legitimate complaint.
No modern medicine or energy weapons in Arroyo.
Totally possible to be a former army medic who used a laser rifle in 4 though.
>>316532257
With AG1 the charcter would be lucky to have the dexterity to load ammo into jt.
>>316532714
this
>>316532316
Name a single redeeming quality of the games.
Gameplay is bad, story is bad, dialogue is bad, graphics are irrelevant, they are also buggy messes. The only people I can see enjoying these games are normies that don't know better and think "choose your own adventure" is the best thing ever even if all possible outcomes are boring and badly written.
>>316532719
25% + (1% x Agility)
You are mistaken sir.
>>316532731
Too bad I am forced to be family man Brian Delaney and nothing else.
>>316532842
Thanks Anon
>>316532649
More apt stupid ass comparison would be:
>Very poorly I'm afraid.
>Really? Will he need tutoring?
>Yes. A fuckload of tutoring. He's barely literate.
And it still doesn't mask the fact the comparison you believed in is:
>Very poorly I'm afraid.
>Oh so he's doing just as good as the other kids.
>No, he's doing fucking awful.
>WOOOOOOOW. HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW YOU MEANT HE WAS BAD AT ENGLISH?
>>316532156
Every game has it's rules. Agility determine how many action points you have which would be how fast you move and so happens big guns are really taxing on actions points, otherwise it would be overpowered because they are really powerful. For example, On my big guns only playthrough i absolutely destroyed the final boss, which as you might find out, is really fucking OP. But that's because i knew what i was doing from the start. Maybe you should go back to fallout 4 if this game is too difficult for you.
>>316532693
Your horse is so high that it's laughing. Everyone on 4chan is getting "baited" every day because no one has enough balls to own their opinions.
>>316532714
>tfw the temple was easy as fuck after playing F1
>the next 5 hours were annoying and boring because everything was about killing geckos with a fucking spear.
>>316532889
Normal people have families, especially in alternate realities where the fifties are permanent.
Sorry there's no NEET background for you.
>>316532928
You're proving my point for me. 1 in the game is "very bad" but functionally it's completely crippled.
1 intelligence can't even fucking talk and mostly communicates with grunts and woos.
>>316532156
>confirmed for never handling a firearms ever
If you have literally the worst motor skills od all people in the world, yeah it's going to be pretty hard to shoot anything.
>>316529559
"Cheesing" is actually a euphemism for running away. Not that anon meant it that way, but you know.
>>316524545
You're just the type of retarded faggot that takes all their points out of intelligence and then wonders why your character talks like a fucking mongoloid. Did your parents take all your stat points out of int and put them into endurance when you were born? Because that'd be the only way I could imagine your pea-brained ass making it past the age of 12 without eating rat poison on accident
>>316533094
>one shitty backstory set in stone is okay because muh normalfaggotry
First time I played it, I was 12 and had only basic understanding of english. Without playing F1 and with zero knowledge on mechanics I made a sensible character and proceeded to complete the game. You have literally no excuse. Git gud.
>>316524545
>restoration project
>pretending to be bad
There is no need to falseflag, anon, Bethesda drones and newfags are dumb enough as it is.
>>316533313
But his int is 10
>>316530579
Reading the manual is meta? You're supposed to be able to fail at games, you know.
"Lowering your statistics is a drastic measure, however. It should be considered with care. Lowering your Intelligence below four, for example, can have serious consequences on what your character can say to other people in the Fallout world."
That's a quote from the Fallout 2 manual.
>>316533094
You are literally arguing that you can't interpret "very bad" as being very bad through some retarded semantics debate where you keep shoving in the word "crippled."
But you're the one who actually said you though it meant mediocre. Just be glad it's an anonymous image board, bro. No one will know it's your stupid ass when you abandon ship.
>>316532156
actually you kinda do.
stingers and carl gustavs etc are bulky as all fucking hell. you neefld to have great balance wnd shit to tote and mount them up. brutr sytength is nothing without the manual dexterity needed to use complex systemd. fuck even a simple machine gun needs a lot of dex in order to load clear breech etv. unjam... irlguns are not magic boomstivks you just point at things and delete them.
>>316533427
Real gamers don't read the manuals.
>>316533427
>having slightly less than average intelligence instantly makes you a retard who is despised by society and can't access 90% of the quests
Absolutely epic game design
>>316533387
I'm not sure why you'd even do this to yourself.
Fallout without any story because you don't speak english and no munchkin joy from breaking the game.
What the fuck would be the point?
You might be dumber than OP just for sitting through that.
>>316528494
it seems all of that would work unless you are fighting an ant
>spends hours mapping out his ant invasion backed w/ a gorillion Int
>all of his ant propaganda signs written in 5 different dialects
>preparing his barrett sniper mount near anthill
>AGI 1, trips on hole and blows his own face off; devoured by ants
>>316531016
6 STR is not bad, it's actually the sweet spot for gun users because most rifles require 6 to use wothout any penalties.
Navarro run fags need no apply.
>Reading the manual !? WHAT A SHIT GAME
Modern gamers everyone
>>316532582
>not knowing what agility actually governs
It governs how agile you are you fucking moron.
>Finally start FO1
>Get a rifle and metal armor after a while
>Exit game
>Now game gives a fucking error about input initialization if I try to use hi res mode
fucking niggers
>>316533578
Well you've got slightly less than average intelligence and it makes you a retard who is despised by society and you can't access the game you're trying to play.
So I think it's a pretty reflective system.
>>316533578
You have less than average intelligence and society despises you and you can't access 90% of the content in life, and that's why you're on 4chan.
The game is ok desu senpai
>>316533742
I haven't have any luck with mods on that game either. Fallout Fixt is junk and killed my save and I've never had a problem with the official version.
>>316533601
It's been always bugging me how any strength above 6 feels like a waste because power armor mk2 is a thing. Even if you don't rush it. Too bad they didn't allow to go beyond the cap.
Wait what the fuck, are fallout 1 and 2 not FPS games?
>>316533790
That's another good point.
Why make 3 a literal retard?
I never really thought about it but that's terrible fucking game design. I'm kind of glad this is no longer a thing now, so limiting.
>>316533578
>3 INT
>slightly less
Sounds like someone has a double-digit IQ
>AGI 1
oh shit nigger what are you doing
Should more games use S.P.E.C.I.A.L. stats?
>>316533989
>WHY DO MY STATS EFFECT MY CHARACTER'S BEHAVIOR???
>>316532156
Actually, you don't even need to be that agile. I now realise i was kind of mistaken on my previous post. With 3 agility points you should have 6 action points with would allow you to be able to shot once per turn and that's it. If you also have the fast shot trait, you would be able to shot and move once. that would be at least viable i guess.
>>316533953
You can always roleplay as a technophobe retard with a spear.
It's actually a nice idea for a playthrough, I wonder how OP aimed spear to the eyes can be.
>>316534028
It is retard.
Meet Joe. Joe's a normalfag of astoundingly average intelligence. He got all C's in school and thinks Madden is the height of vidya.
Meet Joe's brother Moe. Moe's a bit dimmer than Joe. He got all C's and D's in school. Vidya hurts his head and he thinks NASCAR is a sport.
Meet Joe and Moe's brother Blark. Blark eats his own shit. Joe and Moe have to physically restrain him in the basement or he'll run around the neighborhood naked and strangle neighborhood cats.
>>316533989
3 is not a literal retard as far as I remeber, you are still able to form words with 3 INT.
>>316533989
>Why make 3 a literal retard?
Because if 5 is average and average = 100 IQ, 3 is 60 IQ
i.e. literally retarded, you fucking retard
>>316534186
>you can actually gimp yourself by pretending so it's balanced
lmbo
>>316534292
By that logic str 5 can bench 150 (average man's bench max) and it would go up and down by increments of 30 to a staggering max of .....300 lbs.
Please try again dumb shit.
