Fallout 1 is objectively superior to Fallout 4.
>>316499383
Tell us something we don't know.
What isn't?
I haven't played 1 in ages but it was pretty damn good. I still haven't got around to playing 2, should probably do that one sometime.Never played 3, NV or 4 lel
The Earth isn't flat.
>memes and/or references in videogames
Yeah, I also remember when they were cute.
>>316499383
That's not an opinion, that's a fact.
>>316499437
>>316499457
>>316499490
I mean on 2015 terms.
>>316499457
This.
Previously, Dragon Age Inquisition held the title of worst high-profile video game I'd ever played, alongside Aliens CM, but I think Fallout 4 might be taking that throne, still have to finish it. I mean, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and Oblivion were not this bad.
>>316499490
>>316499490
Fuckin' sheeple like you will believe anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFjG4jpUhQI
>>316499383
I was hoping someone would bring that up.
FO1 really doesn't have that 50s vibe like Bethesda puts in. 1 really seems like some prehistorian rpg.
You start off in your vault, your only contact is the Overseer who clearly looks like a caveman. You venture out of your cave and you hit shady sands which is clearly a sort of dawn of civilization. The further you go you encounter these different towns that are sort of different points in history rebuilding humanity. You return the chip and your caveman shun you, favoring to stay in their dwelling than brave the scary world.
The finale enemy isthe mutants which represent a sort of return of extinct species like the neanderthal or dinosaur returning to push humanity out. This point is further pushed by how the mutants are physically superior but are sterile, a short of way of showing that they cannot evolve or change like humanity.
>>316499486
If you liked FO1 you have no reason not to play 2 and perhaps even NV
>>316499457
Undertail
>>316499570
>someone, somewhere, unironically made this "documentary"
>someone, somewhere will use this video as proof
holy keks
>>316500349
>50s vibe like Bethesda puts in
It's because Bethesda is shit and went way too far with it. Greaser culture and colorful, frilly dresses weren't in the original games.
>>316499383
I was so confused by the map thing once you leave the cave. What was that all about?
>>316500939
You move on the map like Mount And Blade.
>>316501073
never played it
>>316499383
It's also the only objectively good game in the series.
>>316500349
Fallout 3 was basically a poorly done parody of Fallouts 1 and 2
New Vegas should be considered the end of the series
>>316501306
New Vegas was also shit, obsidiandrone
>>316501306
Maybe Obsidian makes a game with fallout 4's engine like they did in Fallout 3.
>>316501384
New Vegas was pretty cool.
>>316501384
Why was it shit ?
>>316499383
>BoS peeps at that place
What?
>>316499383
They're both shitty, slow, boring Pee Cee games with no music and bland characters/story.
>>316499383
How do I get into Fallout 1? I tried many times but I can't even understand the controls right.
>>316501870
Just bee urself.
>>316499383
Pure nostalgia, its aged poorly
>>316501870
Invest in agility and intelligence.
>>316502017
No it hasn't I played it last fucking winter
>>316501306
>You will live to see the Call of Duty series die peacefully before the quality suffers even more
>You will live to see the Fallout series get run into the ground
>>316501870
read the manual, then read the guide, it's not hard anon
I hate using tvtropes language but fallout 3 and 4 are the definition of flandernization
>>316500349
I was actually curious about this, how hard is the 50's shit pushed in 2/NV? I just finished 1 and loved it, and was presently surprised by the lack of 50's stuff. I always hated all the 50's stuff, is just more prevalent in the Bethesda games?
>>316501548
Its just a fo3 expansion with some mods added in.
>>316502094
I'm currently playing it, it is amazing and really playable.
>>316501597
You could ask the brotherhood to assist you, they send those guys
Fallout 1 is one of the best PC games ever imo. 2 was good, but just didn't have the atmosphere. Tactics and 3 are garbage. New Vegas is alright, except for it runs of Bethesda's shitty engine.
Well yeah no shit
>>316499457
I think just fallout 3, lol
>>316499383
Very different games for very different audiences. F1 is an excellent RPG; F4 is an ok first-person-mindless-action game.
As some other people have said, people wouldn't shit on F4 so much if it had a different name.
>>316499383
>objectively
okay, what are your criteria?
>>316501597
When you talk to the elders and tell them about the base they send 3 paladins to help you. I don't know how the fuck you're supposed to do it either though because when I went there I didn't get any fucking paladins. Maybe because it was the last thing I did.
>>316502390
My opinions.
>>316502301
New Vegas is the best attempt at fallout anybody could ever make with bethesdas engine and design basics.
>>316502245
Ah, the classic
>I am an undeniable retard yet millions of people share my opinion
>>316499383
No shit. But at least I FO4 I can make a sexy looking bitch, that's one positive thing.
Where the fuck is the .44 ammo. At the very least New Vegas understood that when a player accesses a gun vendor they should fucking have almost every type of ammo.
>>316502327
i don't think anyone would care about fo4 if it wasnt attached to the brand
So guys, do you think Obsidian will get to make another Fallout game? If they do, do you think Bethesda will force them to keeo a voiced protagonist and dialogue wheel?
Fallout 2 is objectively superior to Fallout 1.
>>316503335
They could pull it off. See Alpha Protocol
>>316502154
Can I find those online?
>>316502245
But it wasn't where it mattered, in the story, quests, dialogue and world
>>316503059
Yes, New Vegas' quests are better (imo), but I don't think the argument should lie on the pure number of quests, as that alone doesn't make a game better (just see Skyrim's "INFINITE quests").
>>316499383
lol bubblegum so random
>>316502219
Anyone? pls
>>316503059
>Wasteland Survival Guide is listed as one single side quest
>it's got like 15 separate quests within it
This is just one example of how dishonest this image is.
>>316503586
It's a little more apparent in Fallout 2 if I remember right, but barely.
>>316503397
Well I'm sure they would do a better job than Bethesda, but it would still be better off withiut a VA.
>>316503586
New Reno has a 30's feel, otherwise it's about the same as F1.
>>316499383
I gave it a chance for around an hour to the point where I got stuck somewhere and did not know where to go, then dropped it
>>316502312
Fallout 3 had better terminals though.
FO1 is barley better than 4.
>terrible lore redeemed only by a good villain
>like 10 identical locations
>literally no memorable characters besides the villain and maybe Lou
>unbalanced as fuck
>literally just keep reloading your save until you do something right
Do I even need to mention the combat and UI?
>>316499383
>crack assault paladin
Sounds sexual.
>>316503586
No idea about NV, since I only played 1 and 2 during the previous 2 weeks, kinda getting back to my roots and whatever, but both old fallouts don't shove le '50s meme in your face.
You'll see some old school posters, advertisements and stuff, but nothing like in FO3.
>>316503535
New Vegas doesn't only have more quests, most of them have multiple ways to complete them.
Fallout 4 has very, very little options for the player when they take on a quest. The vast majority are "go here and kill". Another post earlier pointed out how, when rescuing Nick Valentine, there was no option to negotiate with the mob faction in that vault. They're just hostile the first time they see you no matter what. Because Fallout 4 is an action game first, with RPG elements to justify the action. If this were an Obsidian game you would have the option to bribe the guards to let Nick out, negotiate a treaty with the mob boss to begin with (and avoid combat) or any number of alternate options.
That's what Fallout 4 is missing. The roleplaying.
>>316503737
You mean "the only"
It's just true that fallout 3 is insanely lacking in content whereas new vegas is much better written and has genuine character input and branching quests. It's actually an rpg. Fallout 3 is a barren open world with no design at all
>>316499383
I wish they would remake them for mobile devices.
FALLOUT 1 & 2 ARE LITERALLY PERFECT FOR MOBILE PLATFORMS
>>316503821
I forgot to even mention how much better other western RPGs were at the time. After playing BG FO is complete shit
>>316503897
If New Vegas fans really think it's a better game, why do you have to lie so much?
>>316500939
>>316501870
>>316503771
>these people aren't being ironic
>>316503863
>there was no option to negotiate with the mob faction in that vault. They're just hostile the first time they see you no matter what
>tfw I threw a Molotov cocktail into the crowd while the leader was saying some stupid shit and gunned down the rest in seconds
Glad to see Bethesda can still present the players with a challenge.
>>316503907
Exagear rpg
>>316503967
>likes baldurs gate
>doesn't like fallout
Weak b8
>>316503991
Because that image isn't a lie.
>lie so much
It's all a tiny misrepresented quest and in the larger scheme it's still total truth.
>>316503821
Holy shit it's almost as if it's a game made in 1997!
Also
>unbalanced
What? I'm not even gonna bother with your other shit opinions, but what exactly do you consider unbalaned in fo1?
>>316504087
Is Exagear good, or is it just enouh9gh ti gwt the jib done?
>>316503435
yes
>>316504306
Wow, I really fucked that up.
>>316504306
I don't know, I can't actually get it to run on my tablet since it ironically doesn't support Intel devices
>>316503967
>copy pasted DnD campaign
>better than fallout
L M A O
>>316504101
Whenever you travel anywhere you will almost always run into a huge group of raiders or super mutants that will wipe you out forcing you to reload your save repeatedly until you make it to your destination without a random encounter.
>>316504101
>Holy shit it's almost as if it's a game made in 1997!
Which is part of the reason its shit. Just because a game is old doesn't mean its not shit. Games are not like movies or music, games age like milk
>>316504504
That only happens near bases that are high level, and yeah, you're going to get ass raped roaming an "open world", it happens.
You can also just, you know, run away from the encounter if you want.
>>316504634
The UI is serviceable and charming even though it's not that great by today's standards. The AP movement and turn system is good enough for an RPG.
I get that he's trying to say the game aged poorly, but I played that shit for the first time a few weeks back and it was fun and enjoyable.
It has a better inventory system than most modern console RPGs, that's for sure.
>>316504504
>you will almost always run into a huge group that will keel you
Only around certain areas, and it's not like you can't run.
>>316504653
>You can also just, you know, run away from the encounter if you want.
Oh boy I get to spend 20 minutes inching my way towards the edge of the screen. No matter how you fucking spin it the random encounters in this game are garbage
>>316504025
>Mfw did the exact same thing.
Seriously couldn't stand that ass writing.
>>316504653
>just run away
Running away from 4 radscorpions with 10 agility is still a pain in the ass and time consuming
>>316503748
>>316503758
>>316503850
Thank you anons.
>>316504634
*some* games
And some only require simple mods or source ports to stop being dated
Doom, quake, Thief, system shock 2, fallout 1 & 2, etc.
Plenty of games hold up 100% with even 1 or 2 mods
>>316504019
Exploring is not fun, we have 2015. I don't have time for that
>>316499383
I don't know, man. I like FO1, but it seems abit like if a college fil student got free reigns to direct his own movie, and he just inserted cool things from movies he likes. I think the word pandering might be a bit too strong for what I'm gettng at, but it seriousy have elements of pandering buried with in it.
>>316504914
>oh no I have to spend 3 turns running to the edge of the map
>that's an entire 45 seconds of my life!
It's a random encounter. If you don't want to have any, you said yourself you can savescum and avoid them entirely.
Not like you do a lot of travelling in FO1, there's only like...6 locations you have to visit.
>>316505006
Fallout 3 is Cargo Cult Fallout 1.
Even down the weird focus on water and the 50s aesthetic. Taking elements from Fallout without really understanding how or why it works.
>>316499570
>flat earthers
>>316505000
You can
>kill the encounter
>run away from the encounter
>savescum the encounter and never even have it
I mean...what more do you fucking want dude? You want to run away, but faster? Fallout 2 even gives you a button to dodge them if your skill is high enough, but 1 doesn't have that so tough shit.
>>316505354
>I mean...what more do you fucking want dude?
I better game
No shit breh.
FO3 and FO4 are trash.
FO1 > NV > FO2 >>>>>>>>> FO3 = FO4
>mfw 78% positive on steam
>mfw who all the kiddies who played and loved FO3 have grown up now
>mfw they hate how FO4 is a casualized piece of shit while thinking FO3 was somehow better because they played it when they were little kids
>mfw this is the exact same reaction that happened with original fans when FO3 came out
>>316502121
>call of duty
>dying peacefully
>ever
You're retarded if you think this.
>>316505973
There is literally 0% chance of it going on forever, you know.
>>316505865
Except FO3 kiddies wouldn't know a good RPG if it hit them right in the face. These are kids who grew up on Halo and can't stand reading a paragraph of text.
>>316506084
Exactly my point
>>316500349
>>316500349
Bethesda went too far with the whole retro-50's vibe. Sure the element was there in some ways, but definitely not in the combat with real world modern weapons.
The Fallout universe is supposed to be this eerie and depressing atmosphere, not LOL MINI-NUKE LAUNCHERS BIG EXPLOSIONS PEW PEW.
>>316505973
I'm fine with pirating a new Call of Duty every year for the foreseeable future just to play those dank campaigns.
>>316506320
Tell that to Todd "it just weeks" Howard he thinks fallout boils down to killing people in wacky ways, as shown at e3 with le teddy bear to the face so ebic
>>316504101
>the year FF7 and OoT came out
>this being an excuse
Fuck off kid
>>316506320
Even the soundtrack in FO1 blows away everything FO3 and FO4 can hope to offer.
Seriously that soundtrack is perfect at capturing the atmosphere.
>>316506320
not anymore dreamboy
>>316502219
There's 40's songs as main themes and some retro memorabilia in pre-renders. Certain items are retro stylized. A number of locations has 30s vibe like signs etc.
But it feels ancient. Both Fallout 3 and 4 feel like they happened 10 years after the war. FO 1 and 2 are really feel like they take place 200 years after the war.
Shady Sands in FO1 is really supposed to be like a bronze age settlement.
>>316506569
Surprisingly the FO4 soundtrack is very similar to FO1 and FO2. Maybe Bethesda decided to get around to actually playing them for a few minutes to get some notes.
The ambient music in FO4 is really great imo, in fact I'm pretty sure some of it samples original Fallout music. Could be wrong.
>>316506569
also FO2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOjvrPLw9Ws
10/10
>>316506569
this
>mfw the sirens in metallic monks
>>316499383
Got a single piece of evidence to back that claim up?
>>316506509
OoT isn't an RPG, and FF7 is a console turn based game which makes it a pain in the dick to play, what's your point?
>>316506785
>>316506807
Yeah I thought it was weirdly similar myself.
FO4's soundtrack is fucking weird anyway, the music that plays in Diamond City with the bagpipes sounds like it came straight out of the Witcher
>>316506320
I actually prefer the overdone 50's/60's Americana style that FO3/NV/FO4 has.
Where did the idea that fallout was stuck in 50s culture even come from? Designs and fashions come in cycles so I find it hard to believe that at no point up until 2077 people wore the same style of clothes and never crafted something outside of the 50s car
>>316499383
i love this game but man o man are those graphics more brutal than i remember. weird how nostalgia fucks with your memory.
>>316507010
Fallout 1 is a turn-based RPG too you dumb piece of shit, and they're excellent games. You're just a filthy fucking casual. You probably havent even played Fallout 1 or 2, you're just defending them because youre a lolsoretro reddit gaymur
Get the fuck out bitch
>>316507010
Turn based games in general are a pain in the dick to play
>>316500349
>FO1 really doesn't have that 50s vibe like Bethesda puts in
Yeah because Bethesda did with the 1950s theme what Deus Ex HR did with the augmentation/transhumanism theme from the original.
They took something that was just a single part of it and said 'oh ok so this is what the entire game is about', totally missing the point.
>>316499383
>horrible graphics
>2d
kek
fuck off nerd
The intro was way betterer, I can tell you that
compare Fallout 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J1t8DPPX3I
with Fallout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLiEiAiQJA
almost everything we needed to know about the game and the setting was given to us straight through the music and the visuals, before the narration of course
>>316507135
The use of 50s music in the intros I guess
I always thought FO1 and 2 were much more 80s sci-fi than 50s, constantly felt like I was playing Mad Max + Blade Runner:The Game
>>316503280
>But at least I FO4 I can make a sexy looking bitch
so why didn't you?
Is Tactics worth playing?
>>316507181
I'm literally approaching the Oil Rig as we speak fag.
Fallout 1 uses action points though and you actually move during combat, so I don't really think they're comparable in any way.
Granted FF7 is beautiful compared to Fallout, not even gonna lie.
>>316507425
yes, just be sure to understand the basics, and you´ll be good to go, warrior
>FO1 & FO2
>Mad Max: The Video Games
>FO3 & FO4
>Slickbar Greaser: Tunnel Snakes Americana The Video Games
>>316507375
as shitty as this is it suits Fallout's tone way better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hAIchekA4A
>>316507375
>Fallout 4 intro
>Constantly say "War never changes" even though it doesn't make sense to
>No Ron Perlman
How can you fuck it up this bad?
>>316507237
Holy shit this and look at the new upcoming Deus Ex game, in the trailer they only talk about muh justice for augmented humans and muh robot ethics.
>>316507519
What sets it apart from the other Fallout games?
Does it play more like XCOM or something?
>>316507375
I think F4 is completely missing the creepy foreboding feel of the catastrophe that happened. Basically if you look at F1 intro, when the music stops you get chills everywhere, it's so creepy. In F4 music never stops.
>>316506569
this guy knows what's up
>>316499570
>there is no south pole
you know, people who believe in the illuminati, and that snake people exist, can at least be safe in the fact that no one can prove them wrong.
but do people really believe the Earth is flat?
>Here is a picture of NYC from 60 miles away
>why aren't the buildings curved lol hahaha
you gotta be shitting me
The real question is how would /v/ react if obsidian redid fallout 1, 2 and tactics with fallout 4 or better graphics
>>316507573
>FO1 & FO2 & NV
>Games for adults
>FO3 & FO4
>Games for children
you're objectively shitposting retard with nostalgia goggles. Fallout 1 gameplay is so shit it might as well be a book. This board is full with burned out 20+ people who once enjoyed games and the only thing they have left now is praising their childhood big hits and shitting on every good game that comes out.
Aside from a few dialogue lines and the optimization issues fallout 4 is a great game and the greatest in the series same as skyrim.
>>316499383
Only major problem with FO1 is the lack of available xp (beyond grinding random encounters) not allowing you to get higher levelled, fully realised builds. That's why I still prefer FO2, even if the plot and pacing is better in the first.
>>316508240
>fallout 4 is a great game and the greatest in the series same as skyrim.
Some of us actually like RPGs.
>>316508240
I too like generic shooters/hack and slashers that require no thinking.
>>316507573
>FO 1 & 2
>Mad Max
yeah okay
>>316500349
Was Ron Perlman in Fallout 4?
>>316508240
You know dialogue choices are also part of the gameplay right? Even a visual novel can have great gameplay.
>>316504087
Does Exagear work with the GoG version?
>try playing 1 again for the first time in 20 years
>forgotten everything about the game
>get roped into a no-int brute run
>no idea what "scorpin" involves but it's the only dialogue option
>suddenly alone in a cave surrounded by 800 million radscorpions
>kickpunch everything to death and run like hell
>>316508542
Yeah. Only doesn't work with steam
>>316508220
I would be happy to see it, but I'd be skeptical about how it would work considering the size of the map, or did you mean if they remade F1 and 2 but they were still CRPG's?
>>316508892
How about you travel from place to place the same way but when you are at a location it is like playing a newer fallout game. Graphics and combat wise of course
>>316507776
First deus ex has many interesting social commentary and conspiracies.
Human revolution is only about muh augments.
Trully at this point I can hardly give a fuck about muh augs.
It's a strange feeling, to look at a new game, be similar to what you love, but simply lacking the core, the soul, of what made it good, while developers focus on secondary things.
>>316501727
I always enjoyed the soundtrack to Fallout 1 and 2. Granted, the pacing of the game worked well with the music, probably wouldn't work in the FPS style of game.
>>316508419
(you)
>>316507124
It's far more downplayed in New Vegas though, and rightfully so
>>316502169
This is pretty accurate actually.
I'm about to start Fallout 1, what skills are entirely useless so I can avoid them?
>>316507237
>prequel game that explores the original advancements in technology era
>gets mad when it's about technology
>>316508741
Man a no INT run is definitely the hard mode of FO1.
Not saying fallout 4 is a good game, but it's an objectively better game than the piece of shit Fallout 3.
>>316508220
One of the best parts of the originals is the P&P based character system. SPECIAL actually means something and there's great variety in builds, unlike the 3D Fallouts where every character plays the exact same and it's impossible to fail. I like New vegas, but it inherited fallout 3's shitty character system, and I wouldn't want to see the originals remade with it, it would be an insult
>>316509482
I would say Throwing is probably the worst, followed by Traps, Sneak, Outdoorsman, Barter, and Gambling. Science and Repair also have maybe 1 or 2 uses throughout the game.
>>316509590
Yeah Fallout 3 was just shite, at least Fallout 4 is a fun to play sandbox shooter. and the homo-postapocalyptensis have finally evolved the brainpower to create farms
I'd like to post a quick side-by-side comparison between a situation in Fallout 2 and a situation in Fallout 4
Fallout 2:
>go to city
>find boxing club
>talk to the fight promoter
>start a career as a boxer that'll earn you mad caps and give you a reputation around town
Fallout 4:
>go to city
>find cagefighting club
>suddenly shootout with nothing going on other than "oh they're raiders so they instantly try to kill you no matter what"
>talk to fight promoter
>no way to become a cagefighter cause now the audience is dead
>no career
>can't earn a reputation as a prizefighter
>can't even bet on matches
>literally just "oh these 5 people are dead now and there'll never be anyone else in the wasteland who'd want to watch someone fight for money"
I don't understand. They put in the fight club, so they obviously considered making it an option, and they put an Arena into Oblivion so they're not technically incapable of creating a thing like that. The only reason I can think for this state of things is laziness. They didn't want to bother with making that system because maybe not every single human being who played the game made it into that building.
For some reason RPG-makers these days think if not 100% of the playerbase has the option to try it on their first playthrough, it's not worth putting in. It's really weird.
>>316509138
To be fair HR was also about media, foreign interests and monopolies, more /biz/ than /pol/. It also tried to focus on a story and cut around it so it didn't seem incomplete, and they cut a shit ton.
Mankind Divided looks to have much better gameplay to make up for it, don't really have a good scope on the themes yet but seems more about tackling the desire for war instead of profit.
>>316499383
Fallout 1 is great, however can't you see that something like this would never sell to a mass audience, outside of PC gaming enthusiasts? The direction that Bethesda took the series is to sell games, while hopefully making them entertaining. I haven't played 4, so I can't say they accomplished it.
However it's so stupid to say, Welp this game isn't that game, so this game sucks. It's just nostalgic faggotry.
>>316510049
Cagefighter DLC brah
>>316510183
Shut the fuck up with your "greed is good" gordon gecko bullshit, greed ruins everything that's nice in the world.
>Fallout 2 endgame
>Unarmed build
>About to enter San Fran
>Random encounter pops, it's Kaga in full PA with a Plasma Rifle and 3 other mooks with Plasma weaponry and grenades as well
>''It's time to put an end to this hunt, you've been a good prey'' - Kaga
>My character starts yelling ''KAAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAA''
>mfw It was the most intense battle of the game and possible the entire franchise, dodging energy weaponry and punching a PA foe to death while taking heavy blows from adjacent enemies
Jesus Christ
SHIT WAS INTENSE
>>316500349
>>316502219
The whole point of Fallout is that the pre-war world WAS retrofuturistic, but not anymore. In Fallout 1 you only see faint glimpses of what the pre-war world used to be like. After 100 years society has moved on and started to develop their own culture. As the timeline moves forward, the past becomes a distant, forgotten memory. Even at the time of Fallout 1, there were very few pre-war survivors left (ghouls). I always found it a little disturbing to know that the world of the past was gone and never coming back.
It bugs me how none of the Bethesda Fallout's have post-nuclear settlements like Shady Sands or Vault City. They're always just living in 200 year old wooden houses and cities instead of building new stuff.
>>316510049
>They didn't want to bother with making that system because maybe not every single human being who played the game made it into that building.
I made it to that building and they immediately starting shooting at me for no reason. It was in the "Atom Bomb Baby" trailer so I thought I'd at least get to participate in it, or it was somehow important. So I thought I did something wrong or should join a faction or do a quest that would allow me to access the cagefighting without having everyone go hostile. Thanks for saving me time.
>>316510391
I didn't say greed is good, I said the intentions as to why things are the way they are. We can wish games were designed strictly out of artistic love, and that people catered to a small but vocal minority of gamers. It's just that though. Wishful thinking. The world doesn't operate this way,, and that's not Bethesda's fault. It's really the consumers. The wrong people are constantly blamed.
>>316510756
it's literally just a place to get the cagefighter girl as a companion, but she doesn't even fight unarmed, she uses a shotgun for no reason
>>316507237
Wow, I 100% agree with you. Well said!
Deus Ex was cool because it was a futuristic story that discussed things that were relevant to our modern day world. Human Revolution covers a somewhat deep topic, but it's mostly a fantasy topic that people can't relate to it at all.
>>316499558
Am I having a stroke of is the text in that picture heady as fuck
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-4/critic-reviews
RPGamer's FO4 3/5 review was removed from the list since it was dragging the ''Critic'' Review's score down.
http://rpgamer.com/games/fallout/fallout4/reviews/fallout4strev1.html
The corruption is really rampant in this industry.
>>316510847
>greedy capitalists pandering to the lowest common denominator and dragging the whole field in a downward spiral isn't to blame
>no man it's the lowest common denominator, fuck those guys!
This is the logical fallacy pro-capitalists always pull, for some reason it's not the exploiters who are to blame, it's the ones who let themselves get exploited.
>>316499383
guyz i can't kill kane in junktown. he is nearly immortal. help me
>>316502121
>You will live to see the Fallout series get run into the ground
you just saw it happen
>>316503535
but compared to actual quests in fallout new vegas, skyrims infinite shit barely even count as quests
>>316510049
My favorite part about that was going across the street and becoming a boxing pornstar champion.
>>316511063
i found him
>>316509482
Steal, Sneak, Barter, Traps, Throwing, Outdoorsman, Barter, and Gambling are worthless skills
Charisma is absolutely useless, you'll need speech and intelligence if you're going to play a diplomatic character or at least want to persuade some NPCs
Having more than 5 or 6 Strength is redundant thanks to power armor later on
Melee and Unarmed are fairly mediocre in comparison to guns
I see lots of people talking about the original Fallout and remembered that I put it on my backlog after getting it on GoG a long time ago, will I enjoy it if I enjoyed Arcanum or is it a different type of game?
>>316511491
I had a hard time being a pornstar because I didn't pump any Charisma points into my character.
>>316511583
>Sneak and Steal
>Useless
Free money and kills man.
>>316511583
>Outdoorsman
>Useless
>Unarmed
>Mediocre compared to guns
>>316506569
Fallout 1 really felt like the end of the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCUS9AcU4lI
>>316511691
You will love it. Made by the same guy too.
>>316511063
>mfw only about 5% of the people in that picture worked on Morrowind and most of the older team are gone by now
>>316511721
Yea you can't do it every playthrough
>>316510410
I think Kaga was only in Killaps Resotration Mod so a lot of people may have missed that
>>316511721
You can just savescum instead of putting points into steal :^)
>>316511736
Outdoorsman isn't all that useful in comparison to other skills you could be investing points into, and you can find skillbooks for it really early on in FO1
Unarmed and Melee ARE mediocre in comparison to guns if you're a minmaxing faggot like me,but nothing is more fun than unarmed in FO2
>>316510410
I loved that shit as well, I even have it saved just so I can punch Kaga's shit in whenever I want.
My favorite part about it was that both of us were in Power Armor. It really hammered home how much I had progressed in the game,
>>316510410
Kaga was brilliant.
>>316512368
>Unarmed and Melee ARE mediocre in comparison to guns
You probably never rolled a Slayer build before
So is Caesar's Legion too retarded for metalworking? I was thinking about how they use bumper swords and shit like that and I can't remember seeing any forges and things like that from them to make more effective weapons and now it's bothering me that a roman copycat can't even produce their own proper equipment and still use scrap. I keep asking this question and nobody responds.
>>316512694
They seem to be able to make armor just fine, even in the Divide.
>>316512478
>>316512485
Kaga might have been a cunt but the guy was tenacious and determined as fuck, he sure knew how to get results, given how he got that advanced PA Mk2 and plasma weaponry
>>316512775
Can you kill him in any of the previous fights? I can't seem to remember how exactly he gets away.
>>316512763
Their armor is just scrap and sports gear though. I understand gunsmithing is a whole different ballgame but they can't even make proper armor?
>>316511486
i agree, and that's the point: it's more about quality than quantity. So instead, the argument should be something like >>316503863
>>316499558
Only >FUKKEN NORMIES think Fallout 4 is better than 1
Only faggots think 2 is the best in the series when really it was bad and had a few good parts
>>316512903
Lanius has pretty cool armor, and people in the Divide and Dry Wells have similar looking one.s
>>316511583
Steal is pretty OP. You can grab a bunch of good stuff from NPCs like stimpacks and ammo.
>>316512872
I don't know, I only can get the upper hand in the first fight right out of the village, he just flees super fast and promises to come back.
Then I always have to escape from the next fights since he really gears up much faster than me.
>>316512964
>That image
Genuine Fallout 4 experience.
>>316513020
I like all 5 mainline games what are you gonna do about it?
>>316499383
>A meme in a game
>Superior.
>>316513020
>only faggots think the best game is the best game
>>316512649
I'm not saying that melee builds are unplayable or even bad, they just pale in comparison to just shooting things in the eyes from a mile away with turbo plasmaI've never actually done a full melee or unarmed playthrough in FO1
>>316511404
Kane is a fucking bitch. One of the harder fights in the game I think due to the close quarters.
What kind of build do you have? What's your current equipment and weapon?
You can always come back to it later... provided you're able to reload a previous save.
Also don't sweat it if the sheriff and the deputy get killed in the fight.
>>316513252
>I've never actually done a full melee or unarmed playthrough in FO1
Breh you are missing the most fun shit you could possibly experience in your life, it's really rough at the start though
I think FO4 is a good game, I feel bad for you turbonerds
>>316513252
Well you're a bitch then, plain and simple.
>>316508240
OP here, it is not childhood nostalgia stop saying that. I played classical fallouts a few months ago.
>>316512694
There are legionary blacksmiths in the fort sharpening machetes and hammering shit. It's just really subtle.
>>316513532
Anyone ever try to make a bare fist Unarmed playthrough? I tried one in 2 and eventually hit a brick wall because eye crits are the only way to keep decent damage going.
I once spent hald an hour punching a Deathclaw for no damage waiting for crits. And I guess my tard flailing must've freaked him out because he just ran away into a corner instead of fighting back.
>>316501597
Visit the military base but don't enter, return to the brotherhood and call for help to the guy with the robes
>>316513539
I do too. They tried something different and whether you like it or not the old games are still there and are playable on modern systems. If it wasn't for Bethesda, Fallout would have been a dead franchise and everything they do is in the east coast and kept separate from the original games so they don't step on or overwrite anything Obsidian or Black Isle did. I hear they even reference New Vegas.
>>316506569
I was so fucking happy when they brought it back for NV.
I don't remember Vats of Goo playing anywhere though, which was weird.
>>316513252
Tough start, but soon you start dodging and fucking shit up like Jackie Chan in woodworks factory.
>sneak to Deathclaw
>hit it between it's eyes for 100+ dmg
>now it's blind and can't hit you even if it wants
>you can punch 4-5x per turn, and aimed punches have 50%+ crit chance
>and enemies have ~5% chance of hitting you
Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of worlds.
Seriously though, it' challenging and rewording, not to mention it's best style to have fun with
Fallout 1 isn't that great, at all. People who call it the best game ever haven't played it recently. Fallout 2 is really the best game in the series.
>>316514402
What's better, a melee or unarmed-focused character?
>>316505000
If you're running away from radscorpions, you might have to rethink your build a little bit
>>316514545
Melee if you want to knock people about with the Super Sledge
Unarmed for crits and massive damage
>>316513654
Thanks I forgot about that. Still sad that Caesar's Legion aren't even on the same level as dark age Britain.
>>316514459
I liked the tone and main objective of the original more but I also like Fallout 4 so what do I know
>>316513851
I did, it's suffering 'till you get mayhammer or whatever it's attack called. Power fists are better though, more dmg for less action points, and you get Improved PF early thanks to retard in basement.
>>316513851
The mid game for unarmed build is very tough, but it pays off when you start stacking OP perks, your kill rate will be higher than any gun build
>>316514545
Unarmed fighting is better for me, crits like crazy.
Also fist weapons count as unarmored.
Progression is like this
>bare fists>low lvl fist weapons>power fist>mayhammer>Improved power fist regular and aimed attack
>>316514687
I had to force myself through FO1. It has so many problems that I don't want to bother listing them all. FO2 was a straight up upgrade over the original, especially with the fan mode that fixes all the remaining bugs.
>>316514545
If you are playing FO2, you can branch out to melee in the ending, since you get so much skill points in that game
>>316515215
You can do that in 1 if you pick "Tag!". A popular strategy is to use it to make the switch to Energy Weapons in the late game.
>>316514545
In FO2 unarmed is actually one of the best possible things to focus on during the beginning of the game. 2nd would be small guns. Eventually you can move on to energy.
Trust me, temple of trials is impossible without it.
>>316513175
>5
>the newest one is 4
are you a fucking Time Wizard?
>>316515353
>New Vegas doesn't exist
>>316499383
I never played a single fallout game, but im pretty shure mad max rapes it.
When you return the water chip the plot is so fucking stupid. There is no reason to assume super mutants are being made and need to be stopped and it happens to fucking fast
>>316511583
Sneak have some interesting meta uses if you're playing without companions. Also unmissable in an ironman run
>>316514402
>mfw trying to clear that Raider base that was attacking Vault City in FO2 with my unarmed only character
It was literally impossible until I got HtH Evade and Dodger
>>316511691
Arcanum is fantastic. Combat and pacing sucks but the RP possibilities are endless
>>316503535
They are better in every way to Fallout 3
>>316515496
You don't assume they're being made, you just assume they're coming from somewhere. The Overseer probably didn't expect you to come back alive otherwise he'd have to tell you that you can't live there anymore to your face, and he wouldn't have that.
>>316515351
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
You can fucking run/sneak through ToT and even make the guy at then end not fight you.
GIT GUD NOOB
>>316514729
>Mayhammer
Haymaker, my friend
>>316511095
the lowest common denominator will always be to blame. thats not even an opinion, its just cause and effect
>>316501870
read the manual before playing any pre2000 game
>>316515747
And then you're caught fighting Geckos and rats. Great fun if you have no tagged combat skill.
>>316512872
You can but its very hard. Your best bet is to cripple him/make him unconscious so he doesn't run away
>>316515815
>reading
nvm lost interest
>>316499457
MGSV, Witcher 3, Undertale, Fallout 3, Skyrim etc.
>>316511583
>Gambling
>Worthless
Its the most broken skill in the game, with 51% it lets you get infinite money as soon as you hit a roulette table.
Unarmed is also very good if you build it right, but the people defending outdoorsman are deluded - it was entirely negated by carrying fucking vault canteens.
>>316506569
FO2 OST > FO1 OST
Some of the best atmospheric music in any game I've played
>>316515829
You should just bolt to Klamath and steal everything and buy yourself a 10mm there, then go to the Den, steal that slaver's 12 gauge plus a ton of ammo and you are set for a long time
