Next gen consoles are upon us. How does this makes you feel?
Wow, who would've guessed?
Isn't that a bit shorter than usual console life cycles?
As if the current consoles aren't shitty enough
NEXT GEN CONSOLES COST 1K $
you heard it here first
Slower than PC already
>VR
pls no
>5x perf/watt
>if it needs more power it means it has better performance
>>316487715
>Strong Focus on VR
Nope.
Soon.
Maybe the current consoles will have a decent game by then.
>strong focus on VR
tightening the noose as i read that
vidya is dead
>upon us
>won't be out for at least 2 years
No point in buying a PS4 anymore with the PS5 just around the corner
>>316487715
this is expected. PS3 was being devloped not long after the PS2 was out. PS4 was being developed 2 years after the PS3 was out.
>>316488402
>2013 was 2 years ago
>ps4 only has like 6 games
>already gonna make PS5
whaaaat. Are they high?
>>316487715
So NX is literally Wii u 2.0?
>>316488048
If they release 2018 then its the normal 5 years. Considering it says provide i assume they are expecting more of a 2019 release with console makers messing around for final parts in 2018.
>>316488507
Same thing with Nintendo, consoles only last 4 years now, bro
>consoles are keeping AMD alive and thus preventing an Intel/NVidia monopoly
based sony/microsoft
>>316488270
>Taking literally the opposite from what it said
Nah nigger they could have the exact same power that they do now and only need enough to light a lightbulb.
Or it could cost the same it does now and do 1080p 60fps (instead of either or).
>>316488507
6 games? You mean 1.
>>316488673
>So NX is literally Wii u 2.0?
this didn't even cross my mind, but... yes, yes it is. goddamnit nintendo
>Curryniggertech
Please take everything posted there with a pinch of street shit.
>>316488048
No. Gen 7 lasted ages compared to others, 2017/2018 is normal.
>>316488785
Don't forget AMD CPUs getting better when PC exclusives actually start using multiple threads with game engines designed to do so, instead of using fixed amounts (e.g. if 2 core {this()} else if 4 core etc.)
Intel are for business with dozens of resource hogging but not multi-threaded apps like the entire MS office suite + skype + teamviewer etc.
>>316487715
Nah, this is bullshit.
VR is fucking DOA no matter how many suits want it to be the next touscreen on a handheld or wiimote.
And there is no way on gods green earth that a new console gen will happen before 2018.
They just can't do it.
>>316488785
Consoles make close to no money.
Amd is kept alive by being allowed to use intels x86 x64 architecture free of charge and money injections from intel.
>>316487715
They always start developing the next console immediately after they release one
>>316489034
>intels x86 x64
That architecture's proper name is AMD64.
>>316488835
>NX is Gamecube 4.0
Fuck VR, I don't want to strap a fucking screen to my face.
Give me the illumiroom or nothing.
>absolutely no good games this gen, and 0 original IPs
Video game crash when?
>>316487715
Maybe with this Tech we can get a steady 45fps at a glorious 900p
>>316489007
mass market next gen VR isnt out yet
I strongly doubt it will be DOA.
2018 may well be the year
>>316487715
Aaaaand the hardware will still be at least 4 years behind by the time they roll out in 2018...
>>316488930
So the VIII gen will last as usual? Why?
>>316489034
>intels x86 x64
The x64 part of that actually belongs to amd
>>316487715
Water is a liquid, as well!
>>316489463
bloodborne
>strong focus on VR
Unless you can somehow make it less clunky than the ones that haven't even got onto the consumer market yet then it'll be as popular as the Kinect
>>316489619
Souls series is like COD at this point.
>>316489463
Never, games are already made with guaranteed profit in mind.
So we have rehashes and remixes.
Might get it if it's multiplat
>>316489619
Laughing really hard right now
>still amd
inb4 they delay last guardian to PS5.
>>316489848
>cheap CPUs
dunno why lol
>>316488270
>It will give you 5 times more performance for the same wattage we use now!
>Also, we're going superecological, we're going to use up to 5 times less wattage with these new consoles!:^)
>>316489870
They'll delay all PS4 games to PS5. Actually that'd make more senses at this point than forcing people to buy a PS4 2 years before the PS5 release.
It's gonna be the same shit all over again.
Ps5 and nextbox will run a little bit better last gen.
NX will be weak as shit with no 3rd party support.
>But now with VR
>>316487715
ps4 has bloodborne. xbone has tomb raider. from now on they will make 1 (one) worthwhile exclusive because consolefriends have proven they will buy a console just for it.
>>316489532
VR is a pipedream that no in the real world wants. there was a short snatch of time when VR was considered COO AS FUCK BRUH but that was WAY back in the fucking early early 90's.
It's over.
It's all about augmented reality now bro. Full on cyberpunk fantasy come to life.
>>316488960
I don't think you realise how fucked AMD are. If their Xen CPU's are shit, then they're dead.
Intel are so comfortable atm, they cancelled the 2016 release date for Cannonlake and moved it to 2017. They then spent huge sums of money (billions) on UV Machines to make cheaper and more accurate >10nm CPU's. Had AMD been a decent rival, Intel would have been forced to release Cannonlake in 2016 without training staff to make a cheaper and better product for 2017.
Not to mention Intel has it's foot in the tablet door, while AMD doesn't and everything it makes to try and get into it is laughed out of the room.
AMD is fucked and it IS only because of consoles they're still alive. They're in a lot of shit.
>>316489918
>console fags cheaping out on the consumer
pretty much what I expected.
>>316490131
>Consolefags getting something at a good price rather than overpriced nvidia junk
>>316489532
Nah that niggas right on all his points. VR won't catch on, it literally can't. Most people aren't going to be allowed to sit there blind and deaf to the outside world, and it will be left a niche only used by neets with no families, either parents or wives.
They also won't rush out a next console gen when devs can't even reliably get games out for the one we have now. We're sitting at maybe, maybe 12 graphically intense games a year right now. The fuck would they do with more power at this point? Next year will be thw first year this gen even sees a decent number of games ffs.
Of course they are, do you think they leave their R&D departments closed for a couple of years after a new console comes out?
>>316488831
BB is shit.
>>316490008
The complete lack of interest from the casuals and worse the gamers for this gen has proven otherwise bruh.
>>316489984
Sony and MS can't do SHIT right now, they're going to have to ride this bitch out for another 3-4 years.
Nintendo can pump out a budget console for less then the wiiu is now and BUY all of the 3rd party that does well on their console, more second party and take over a few jap devs and some smaller western devs(hopefully resurrect THQ so they'll be their licensed game house) and just set up shop.
Don't have to play the console game that sony ms and the big AAA guys managed to fuck up.
>>316489541
Fuck all has changed this gen
Slightly better graphics but still not 1080p 60FPS
PS4 and XBO where done in 2014
>have a 290x
>already outperforms consoles by over 500%
>cost me less than $300 total for card and custom cooler
>console children will defend consoles still
>>316490470
>The complete lack of interest from the casuals
he said about the fastest selling console gen ever, not realizing he was proving that he didn't know what he was talking about.
>strong focus on VR
Not buying into that gimmick. Didn't buy into 3D and didn't buy into motion control either.
>>316490618
They could easily hit 1080p and 60fos, you realise that right? This is an issue that won't go away no matter how much power you throw at it.
>VR
Do you truly, unironically believe that people want to be more active in their couch potato time?
This current generation was garbage anyway, pretty much a stopgap transitional generation because pc hardware pushed way too far ahead of the xbox 360 and ps3.
Hopefully we will see some real powerhouse contender hardware and some actual risks being taken because this generation was an utter safe "step" instead of a "leap"
>>316490697
PS2 sold 150m in it's life time. PS4 has only sold 25m and shipped 29m.
It won't reach 150m+ by the time PS5 is out. Fucking PS3 sold 80m+.
>>316489706
Well, when they dumb down the gameplay, remove level design in the single player for cinematics, then turn multiplayer into a no skill run in circles and watch people die frenzy, then it'll be like cod
I'm sick of people pretending that asscreed and cod are bad only because of repetition. It's how to spot a child
>>316487715
are you retarded, EVERYONE said they were working on the next console right after the new one launched, the only one who never mentioned it was xbox
mark cerny said there was great new ideas in store for the ps5 a week after the ps4 launched. But when sony says it thats no big deal, when nintendo does its gloom and doom
This console gen was such a fucking bust lol
>>316490697
>fastest selling console gen ever, not realizing he was proving that he didn't know what he was talking about.
LOL
Okay princess, you go play your animal crossing:my little pony edition.
Daddy has something to discuss with big people.
>>316490420
It's pretty good but I still like DaS and DeS more
>>316490782
''easily''
Not even Rockstar trying their best managed to make GTA V run at 60FPS on both consoles, and they're the guys who managed to make big GTA games run on the PSP and make Bully run on the Wii. The consoles are not bad but at this rate, they're no better than ''budget'' PCs to be honest.
>>316490782
>They could easily hit 1080p and 60fos
hahahahaha yeah, they just choose not to right?
>>316487715
People argue Wii U is not next gen.
I can easily fucking say PS4 and Xbox One is just previous gen with stable 30FPS.
What a fucking joke this gen is.
>>316488835
What do you guys mean? Wii u came out a year before ps4/xbone.
NX will come out a year before PS5/Xbone 2
thats nintendo's release cycle
>>316490875
It took the better part of a decade for the ps2 to sell that 150 million. And most of those sells were rebought consoles and well after it dropped to sub 100 dollar prices.
The same can be said for the ps3. Except it's in the 15-200 dollar price range.
The ps4 is barely into the 20millions if actual one time buys are to be believed and the lack of sales for their major unique titles says something horrifying about their console.
>>316490782
So then why don't they?
Oh right, because they can't. Because current-gen consoles were shit the moment they released and nothing can save that now unless they went the N64/that one Sega console route with the add-on for improved hardware.
>>316487715
>vr on console
that silky smooth 30 fps will be look even worse
>>316491052
They're actually worse. This gen a $500 pc would outperform the consoles right away. They were DOA and 2 years later a $500 pc will outperform consoles by nearly a 200% margin.
And especially since consoles have such a small library and almost exclusively mediocre games I'm really surprised that people still defend them so much
Current gen in a nutshell. Top 10 PS4 games consist of 1 exclusive, 1 current gen multiplat, 1 cross-gen multiplat and 7 straight up ports from last gen.
>>316490823
Consoles most likely won't ever catch up to PC anymore at this point.
The only thing they have going for them is that they're relatively cheap.
>>316491076
>>316491052
Rockstar can't into programming
And yes they easily could. But why gi for 2x tge frames when you can go for 2x the graphical bells and whistles. Only one of these things actually shows up in screenshots. They could literally be running quad 980tis and still they would squander the power on details and go for 30fps
>Strong Focus on VR
24fps confirmed for new industry standard.
>>316491052
RAGE GTA is taxing as fuck, 3D GTA era had lots of tricks to get it running on poor hardware
>>316490968
>>316490875
>merely pretending
>>316490714
3D was obviously a gimmick, VR is clearly an actual advancement.
its a good thing im always a generation behind gaming
>tfw i just bought a ps3 for $100
>tfw buying games that are GOTY editions for it that costs $20
>5 years to launch date
>already outdated
consoles right here, everyone
>>316491076
>>316491193
idiots, 1080p60 was done last gen too. It's all a matter of devs biting more off than they can chew.
>>316491220
The only way you're getting 30 fps VR on a current gen console is if it looks like that dire straits video
>>316491281
Those are some shitty games considering it's for the generation.
Oh boy. So in 2-3 years video games will be allowed to technologically update to about the level where they should be now if they were following the cutting edge of computer hardware and not being bottle necked.
>>316491394
Not really. Only COD did it and if I'm correct that was only rendered at 720p anyway
The sooner this gen dies the better. The gaming industry has never jumped the shark more than they did with the PS4/Bone/WiiU.
>>316491358
You do realize that a chunk of sonys marketing is devoted to floating certain narratives correct?
Are you stupid?
>>316491537
what we really need is a video game crash
>>316489541
7th gen suffered 08 and 09 recession, no one wanted to risk the release of new hardware under those circumstances, investors were quite careful in those years.
>>316490126
>AMD is fucked and it IS only because of consoles they're still alive. They're in a lot of shit.
Which is why they have to secure those contracts. If they fail to maintain console business, they gotta pack it up.
>>316489984
At that point, the only difference will be framerate, resolution and load times between all three. Graphics can get better, but I don't think NX will trail far behind in terms of geometry rate at that point and CPU performance might have a small gap if not fall prey to the Megahertz Myth.
I suppose PS5 and XBoxSquared could probably have double the RAM and improved versions of their current CPU but graphically you should only expect better framerates. VR and 4K gaming? I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>316491632
>the media isnt right i am!!!!
kill yourself
>>316491394
>they could make the game run at 1080 60 it would just have to look like a ps1 game
you understand the problem here right? you sound like someone using youtube comment tier logic.
>It's all a matter of devs biting more off than they can chew
it's a matter of the console not being able to chew what the devs are capable of serving to them
>>316491337
If they couldn't into programming, GTA V would run as bad as Assassin's Creed Unity or have huge drops like Fallout 4, so that's not really entirely correct.
>>316491346
That's true, but still, just wanted to give an idea that Rockstar used Renderware for 7 games and by the end, they sort of managed to use it to it's near-full potential on consoles. They made their own engine to run portable games, then dropped it for RAGE. RAGE has been used in about 6 games by now, 7 if you count the V remaster, and I'm sure they've managed to optimise that engine nicely. Shouldn't V run at least better on some consoles? The PS4 can clearly achieve above 30 but the XBONE drops constantly which is really sad and is the case in every single non-Microsoft game.
>>316491521
Perfect Dark HD on 360, and Ridge Racer 7 on PS3 both did 60 1080. I'm sure there were others.
>>316491632
>literal facts and statistics with proof are only silly marketing
wow you mean if a prodcut is selling well it gets reported on?
When will consoles as a whole die?
Only reason I'd get one is for exclusives. And now they want to add VR gimmicks.
I mean, is there any other reason to get one?
>>316491521
Of the top of my head
Wipeout HD
Rayman games
RIIIIIIDGE RACER
>VR
Time to kill myself.
I only play turn based JRPGs, no way will devs make VR turn based shit
>>316491797
No matter what hardware you're working on, you'll always be able to serve more than it can chew. The point is putting focus where it matters. Don't use power-hungry shaders or overly generous geometry if you can't secure a stable framerate first.
>>316489541
Tablets and computers raise their specs too fast, consoles stagnate for too long to compete
>>316487715
>no games
>fuck let's make new ones
>>316491797
Are you saying Guilty Gear Xrd looks like a ps1 game?
>>316487715
>This gen has mostly been HD re-releases and middling multiplats.
>We're already focusing on the next gen.
Why would I bother?
>>316487715
>strong focus on VR
More like eye cancer.
>5 time performance of current consoles
Wow even better netbooks than the current ones.
>>316491315
they would have to pull a unique architecture out of their ass, the problem is game developers are getting lazy with the one click button instant ports and expect modern console hardware to be almost exactly like PC for that reason
They tried this gen with unified RAM/Vram gddr5 to get an edge on PC but it didn't really make too much of a difference.
We would need some kind of neat complex architecture or ginnick that PC hardware developers wouldn't take a risk on anything but a mass produced console
>>316488048
>usual console life cycle
no, yuo are just a normie who only know the ps3
>>316488750
Nintendo has the most exclusives out of anyone this gen.
>>316491752
Princess. If you don't stop throwing a tantrum I will be forced to spank you.
>>316492184
>they would have to pull a unique architecture out of their ass
the cell processor says hi
>>316491358
Funnily PS4 isnt the fastest selling console, that title still belongs to the wii.
>>316489532
VR will never be mass market until it becomes easier than putting on glasses.
>>316492276
exactly, the cell and 64 bit was two gimmicks that really worked in the recent gens.
>>316492276
the ps3 was expensive, but they got the tech right. THE POWA OF THE CELL was actually used with Linux for cheap clusters.
>>316492276
>Sony ever pulling a cell again and selling their console at an extreme loss
You wish.
>>316492490
Too bad the PS3 was bottlenecked by the rest of the console.
>>316491383
Not in it's first iteration it won't be. Maybe by like 2030.
>>316491942
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
It's a known known that Sony has a really interesting idea about what the word "sold" means when it comes to consoles.
>>316491358
>In July
>In September
>On track to beat
It's sold 25m. This is a fact. PS2 sold 150m. This is fact.
It's not going to sell 125m more in 3 years.
>>316492441
>>316492490
well like it was stated that will never happen because having devs learn an entirely new architecture and difficulty with third parties porting outweighs the pros. all sony has to do is make slightly better hardware than xbox and they win the console market.
>yfw they still won't be able to do 1080p @ 60fps
>>316491956
You can be a vr catgirl in ff14. So theres that. Not quite the same of course
>>316492276
The cell processor was not designed for video game consoles.
Want good unique architecture SPECIFICALLY designed for gaming?
Look to old nintendo and sega consoles.
Current gen is basically slap a slightly souped up graphics card onto a laptop with a lot o ram and hope that it doesn't shit the bed.
>>316492872
I can't attack based on turns though.
I hate real time gameplay
>>316491989
Tablets raising their specs is a GOOD thing, better parts get cheaper as an effect of that. It also means handhelds will have a better yield if were still viable.
>>316487715
>5x the performance per watt
So the new consoles will use 5 times less power?
Sweet.
>>316489619
epic meme
please tell me about the part where the combat and gameplay become good, and not stale boring neogaf shit
>>316492626
>3 years.
i was unaware they were going to stop selling the ps4 in 3 years.
>VR
That's cool and all but what does this mean for games that aren't in a first person perspective?
>>316488673
>So NX is literally Wii u 2.0?
Can't Nintendo just... wait? Send some spies and just do the same shit Microsoft and Sony are doing PLUS their exclusives?
I don't even like Nintendo.
>>316492626
> 3 years
Try 7 or 8
>>316492803
They probably still won't be using SSD's either. And you'll probably still have to play for multiplayer.
I'm done with consoles, pretty much forever it seems.
>>316487715
>AMD GCN architecture
>technology from 2011 in 2018
lmao keks
>>316494030
pay for multiplayer I mean
>>316488960
Advanced computing logic doesn't benefit from multiple threads. Most of that whine comes from AMD-fanboys that believe they will actually get decent performance when there's "balance" across the cores in windows task manager.
Nope, only deterministic, predictable tasks benefit from many slow cores like AMD processors.
I doubt AMD will pull the so called 1600p@90hz VR requirements out with a cheap APU, even 3 years from now.
It'll be something feasible, but not as good as expected, like 1200p@60fps at best, just like everyone was expecting 1080p@60fps with the current gen and barely received 900p~1080p@30fps.
>>316493253
>>316489706
>>316489794
>>316494252
problem is there's a physical limit on how much a single cpu/core can go so many slow cores is the future (many fast cores is too expensive for consumers)
I guess I'd be okay with 5 year cycles.
>>316494078
Don't they update the GCN architecture? It could be GCN 2.0 or so.
>VR Focus.
PC's modularity, and openess is what sold the concept of VR to the public. Occulus Rift is treated as technological advancement rather then a gimmick like the Wii. People here still think like 3D, motion controls technology is dead, when they don't realize that modern VR technology is bringing back those old gimmicks back, and upgraded too.
The problem with Consoles is that they take ideas like VR, turn them into commercialized toys rather then advanced pieces of electronics. Console add-on technology has never really had long-term significance role in vidya honestly.
>>316494421
>le PC epic maymay
yeah, Pkeks are just ebin salty really
bloodborne is totally not shit
>>316487715
>next gen already in the works
What the shit
I'm still waiting for PS4 games. Bloodborne was mediocre as fuck, I want my fucking games.
If they release another console this early I think I'll just opt out of the console bullshit.
This generation still feels like it started yesterday and they're already planning to start another one? Fuck
And PC Gaming is supposed to be expensive? My ass.
I guess I'm stuck with playing old games until the bubble bursts.
>>316490470
Then why isn't Nintendo doing that?
If Nintendo wants to make it in the home console market, they need more mature games. While they have tentatively moved more towards this recently, they need mature games tailored for a western audience. Bayonetta is not gonna bring in the normie crowd. They cannot expect their cutesy shit to attract the normie home console market. Their family image is shattered, since parents are more likely to hand over their iPad, and that keeps their kids from pestering them.
yep, investing into that new grafics card was much smarter than getting the PS4.
>>316494078
It probably means a revision of the same. We are currently in GCN 1.2 with 2.0 on the coming months.
I would guess GCN 2.2-.3? maybe even 3.0?
You also have to take into account that current APU's on the Xbone and PS4 are based on the bad-yet-not-so-bad Bulldozer architecture, they currently have a few custom APU that are based in a mix of Cores instead of modules and APU,
I recall i read that Skybridge is goin to be the first proper Zen a-like APUwith full cores instead of modules with 2 cores each.
Some how i want Nvidia to put pressure in AMD on this market (like when the PS3-360) but i know it wont happen. Nvidia sees it as a penny gain in their pocket
>>316488174
So that'll be the price of a combo from five guys Arby's and fries by then.
Wow we are two years into the consoles and there are like 3 games (1 is awful like we all knew it would be, 1 is cod and that's the same game for 7 years, and the other is Netflix), this is by far the worst generation.
>>316494030
I don't know man, when I usually play multiplayer, I play.
>>316487715
>How does this makes you feel?
Glad because I didn't buy this generation's bricks. If the new consoles have backwards compatibility then peasants got seriously fucked this time.
>>316495223
Nvidia can't put pressure on AMD because they don't have the CPU technology and it's unthinkable today to have a separate CPU and GPU in a console like in the PS3/360 era. It's just way too expensive to be competitive.
Also Skybridge is cancelled and Bulldozer never was in any APU. PS4 and Xbone chips are based on Jaguar.
>>316495708
>backwards compatibility
>jews at sony and microsoft
yeah because they havn't hit a gold mine selling remasters of 3 year old games or anything.
>>316487715
Im seriously never buying another console
>Skip the 7th gen because of reasons
>a fucking gigantic competition to see who hoards the biggest amount of exclusives, pc gets jackshit
>When 8th gen hits I get a ps4
>All the games are either multiplat or coming to pc and the consoles are all weak shit
>>316487715
>next gen
So consoles will finally reach third generation?
>>316489706
Except some CoD games are actually good.
>>316487715
>strong focus on VR
>>316496517
It's the way of the future.
>buy Wii
>feel left out
>buy Xbox
>play a few okay games then it breaks
>buy ps3
>play a few okay games then it breaks
>hack Wii
>find a bunch of great hidden gems
>build a pc
>suddenly fucking rolling in games
>life is glorious
CHANGE PLACES
>>316493302
The 150m was in it's life time. Not, you know, forever.
>>316493720
Read the OP.
>VR
waow so interesting... ResidentSleeper
>>316497151
Wii has almost as many amazing hidden gems as Playstation 2.
In the end, I think it had a larger number of worthwhile games than PS3 or Xbox 360, multiplats included, you just have to dig a bit deeper and have non-casual tastes
>>316497413
> trusting that site ever
>>316487715
PS4/XBone already use GCN 1.0
Latest AMD GPUs use GCN 1.2 with HBM. By 2018 both will be obsolete, so these new consoles better have something else.
>>316496207
Shouldve done the opposite.
Thats what I did.
>>316495223
>Bulldozer
I thought Jaguar was Llano based shit.
>>316491953
Wipeout HD had a dynamic resolution like Rage did.
>>316495985 >>316497945
Bulldozer is the architecture itself, Jaguar was an update of bulldozer (steamroller) basically is like if jaguar was based of Haswell instead of Sandy bridge.
remember that APU's are Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller or Excavator modules with GCN on the same die.
I know now about Skybridge (didn't recall good at the time) but they still have Bristol Ridge coming, those are the APU i was reffering to, full cores with GCN.
Remember that Nvidia has the Tegra X1, they could drive the consoles out of x86 territory into ARM, then again, AMD is know for having ARM cores in their APU for better security.
>>316494360
It is possible, remember that in a few months we will have Nvidia 1000 series and AMD 400 series, both will be in a new 14-16nm process.
Thats 2 procces skipped, they are gonna literally double performance and maybe cut consumption in half. Theorically speaking, a Geforce 1060 will have the consumption of a Geforce 940GT and the power of a 970-980.
an R9 480 would have the TDP of a R7 350 and the perfomance of an R9 390-390X
Thats the teorical performance gains in going from 6-8 to 17-18 billion transistors on a chip. We have been in 28nm since what? 2011?
>>316497945
Jaguar is one of AMD's low-power 'cat' cores, intended for systems like netbooks and tablets. Its not a Bulldozer design, but its also not one of AMD's pre-bulldozer designs.
The newest of these core designs is either Puma or Puma+.
>>316488835
The NX will receive hardware updates more regularly than current consoles.
Kinda like phones.
That's what Iwata wanted.
>>316492187
dayum nigga you's black as fuck
That I wasted my money on a ps4 and wiiu.
Literally no games in 3 years. What the fuck.
>>316498949
That would be stupid though.
If you ever seen high end Tablet/Smart device hardware, you'll see that it's unnecessary.
>>316487917
A bunch of Nintendo fags were saying that Sony and Xbox will leave the console wars after this gen. Even though ps4 is on track to being the best selling console of all time and Xbox Gold subscriptions are seeing all time highs. And over all gaming has never been more popular and profitable.
The theory was that the NX would be the last console ever made and all third party would have to make games for it. Because it would be better then the ps4 and xbone. Honestly retarded seeing as gaming consoles have never been more profitable.
What Nintendo fags don't understand is that Nintendo is not 1 gen ahead, they are 1 gen behind. They honestly think NX is a "9th" generation console. It's hilarious they see Nintendo being 2-3 years ahead and not 2-3 years late.
TL:DR Nintendo fans thought the NX would be the last console ever made.
>>316499405
I love it when autists make up shit like that.
>>316499405
Pretty sure you're pulling that entirely out of your ass
>>316499405
I never heard anything about this. The only theory I've heard in regards to the NX is that it would force Sony and Microsoft to release new consoles earlier, which at least seems kind of like what the WiiU did and might be why this gen is so awful, because Sony and Microsoft released the PS4 and Xbone earlier than they wanted to.
>>316491696
>global recession affected console cycle
this nigger gets it
>>316487715
PC wins again
>>316499568
Both the PS4 and Xboner were long overdue anyways.
Last gen was way too long.
>>316499619
While it did, so does the fact that none of the companies involved want new platforms while the old are still selling. It's why ps360s are still getting fucking games... you don't throw away install bases if you can help it.
>>316487715
>5 years cycle
Retarded, and i fear the only reason they are doing it is because Nintendo is rushing their own console.
>look Nintendo is doing a stupid decision
>lets follow them too!!
Nintendo is killng videogames, glad that the Nx will be their last console.
>>316499196
They're aiming for something more like the DS line. Where they launch new hardware every 3-4 years, but there won't necessarily be a requirement to upgrade as most games will still run on the older system but they might have new features or run at higher resolutions or framerates on the newer system.
>>316499492
>>316499509
>>316499568
Actually youtube is full of Nintendo fags saying sony and Microsoft are done. And it's been parroted quite a bit on /v/. They says that the next gen consoles will all being streaming devices.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyi-CrldzUk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyPuAvhBcyg
>VR
I don't give a fuck about VR (aside from porn or really erotic games). So I only hope that developers will do a lot of AR instead.
VR is a dead end. AR isn't.
>>316489034
you're stupid. intel designed a true 64bit processor to replace x86 and microsoft pissed all over them after they fucked them on processors for ogxbox, opting instead to use amd's 64bit instruction set added onto the dated x86 processor standard.
>>316499771
sony milked ps1 & ps2 long into the next console cycle too; don't change shit
>>316494668
>PC's modularity, and openess is what sold the concept of VR to the public
The public does not give a single shit about VR. The concept of completely closed of entertainment experiences will decimate gaming and fragment entertainment as we know it in ways that we can't even begin to comprehend.
VR as a huge thing in the public eye is a masturbatory pipedream on the same level as streaming console games and ditching the grey market=more people buing the game from brick and mortar stores.
It's insane pie in the sky silliness that only works in childish fantasies. The idea of it was talked about analized and quickly discarded as a big thing for the masses over a decade ago.
Why? because by it's very nature it is a solitary activity. Ever wonder why all VR media is not about VR itself but is about how you can use VR as a way to interact with other people?
>>316499865
They aren't really wrong on that. Streaming, as internet speeds in countries with money picks up, will become bigger and bigger parts of home gaming. This gen could well be longer than last just on that alone. People give no fucks about local vs server based, just that they can play the latest CoD. Just wait and see. PS now is already a thing, and expect improvement and a stronger push going forward.
>>316499405
sauce on the image?
>>316494993
Minecraft is one of the top selling games on the planet.
Rayman is an evergreen title that always makes money
Just Dance makes money no matter what.
Mature titles are for children. People don't want "mature" they want to be entertained.
And if an entertaining title just happens to be "mature" the so be it. Anyway, nintendo can leave that stuff to sony and ms and keep the all ages up to...telltale and micheal bay tier teen games.
Sony and MS have made their bed now they have to lie in it.
>>316496207
7th generation was my last generation. I may pick up the occasional Nintendo console now when they have that title that I have to play along with the rest of their library. Making PC gaming my primary platform has treated me well.
>>316487715
>5x performance/watt
This means nothing.
>>316487715
>strong focus on VR
the cinematic is strong in this one.
if you are hopeful that being able to rotate your head at any point being a requirement for a VR game will stop devs from going full cutscene-land then you are out of luck: you can still push a big ass prerendered 3d spherical(with an unvariable center) cutscene and they are going to love to do that.
>>316500496
That's the point.
>with a strong focus on strapping a smartphone to your face
Oh boy i can't wait
>If NX releases in 2016, they will piss off the Wiiu owner base, and make the same mistake sega did
>If NX releases in 2017-2018, no one is going to buy a console slightly better then the ps4 when the ps5/XboxTwo is around the corner
>Nintendo betted that this gen would last long and it failed
>They can delay the NX and make it a proper 9th gen
>Or releases it sooner and make the same wiiu mistake and have 8th graphics power when the 9th gen is underway
Wow Nintendo is fucked in the console department, looks like they are going to have to let the WiiU live out it's intended life span or doom themselves to the exact same mistake.
>strong focus on VR
As a DK2 user, this pleases me. PSVR is a day one buy for me, you fags are missing out.
>>316500209
Streaming will never fucking work ever.
>>316500209
>people want to play games with 500ms latency input.
>>316500209
Streaming will never fucking work ever.
>>316501381
If nintendo doesn't release the console within the next two years then console gaming is dead.
Sony and MS know it, I know it, and you damned well better figure that shit out.
The whole CASUALS AM DUMB thing has been a PR DEBACLE and has fucked consoles harder then a black guy fucking a blonde dyke.
The NX has to get the fucking casuals, it has to be the clean budget friendly gaming equivalent of Disney to the casuals, it has to work and it has to get the casuals back and excite the degenerate game fiends who've gotten tired of the same 5 AAA games.
And most of all it has to get the trust of the consumer back.
Because...I don't see fucking sony doing it and LOL MS can not do it. Gods sake they are willing to throw this entire goddamnd gen under the bus so they can compete with the new nintendo console.
It's just fucking Nintendo.
It all hinges on them.
If this ends up being a wiiu2.0+virtual boy we're all screwed.
Yes even that horrible borg like cancer on pc gaming called steam will be screwed.
>>316502354
>If nintendo doesn't release the console within the next two years then console gaming is dead.
Good riddance
>>316502354
>If nintendo doesn't release the console within the next two years then console gaming is dead.
No one cares about Nintendo anymore. WiiU says prove that. Nintendo should have focused on making a 780p 3ds.
>>316502354
>casuals back and excite the degenerate game fiends who've gotten tired of the same 5 AAA games.
This gen has the best selling console of all time adjusted for releases date.
>>316502635
Eat a dick pc shill.
>>316502696
If that were true then why does sony and ms plan on releasing a new console now that the NX is a certainty?
Why does the WiiU continue to sell and kids want to play the console even though it's pretty much dead?
The problem isn't that no one cares, it's that nintendo put out a bad product.
Besides, who is going to buy or make games for a 780p 3DS? Japs love handheld gaming but not that much.
Would be easier for them to put out a cheap console with controllers that double as modified DS with near 3DS tier graphics.
All it would need is a camera, the ability to watch streaming media, play stored media, wireless, and an SD slot.
Would compete directly with cheap android devices and apple devices, and if my guess is correct they'd be able to sell them for the exact same cost as a new ps4 or xb1 controller.
That is a far safer.
>>316503289
>If that were true then why does sony and ms plan on releasing a new console now that the NX is a certainty?
NX has nothing to do with it, playstation and xbox are release new consoles because they like money.
>>316503289
>Why does the WiiU continue to sell and kids want to play the console even though it's pretty much dead?
But it doesn't really sell.
>>316503289
>Besides, who is going to buy or make games for a 780p 3DS? Japs love handheld gaming but not that much.
Everyone bought a 3ds
The NX will be the last nintendo console, they will go handheld/moble/toy store mode
Imagine a world without consoles
It would literally be the perfect world for gaming
>>316497279
Underrated post
>>316503609
>NX has nothing to do with it, playstation and xbox are release new consoles because they like money.
Those fucktards are not stupid enough to release a new console when the current consoles are barely just taking off.
It will be a slap in the face and pretty much turn off an already broke and bored gaming populace.
>>>316503289
>>Why does the WiiU continue to sell and kids want to play the console even though it's pretty much dead?
>But it doesn't really sell.
It, on the worst selling console they've ever had is still selling more copies of games and making more profit then the games on the other consoles. That and the amiibo seem to be disgustingly popular.
>>Besides, who is going to buy or make games for a 780p 3DS? Japs love handheld gaming but not that much.
>Everyone bought a 3ds
It shit bombed in it's first few months and iwata and nintndo threw the wii and wiiu under the bus to focus on it.
>The NX will be the last nintendo console, they will go handheld/moble/toy store mode
I doubt that.
They and their IP stay viable by having two consoles on the market at all times.
Mobile is going nowhere and toys only work because of the console.
>>316487715
Thank fuck
maybe Sony and Microsoft won't skimp on hardware this time around
>>316487715
>implying there will be an Xbox Two
>>316491076
that's right
Ridge Racer 7 is a shitty looking PS3 game in full HD
They want games to look pretty, not perform well.
>people ITT belive that the source is a undeniable truth
>people ITT are underage retards that didn't know that the PS4 and the Xbone concepts were created since 2009
they are just making ideas of the next gen, to actually make a console requires years and years, just like every single console before that, it's a fact that once the console reached the marketplace, they are already working on the next one
TL;DR you all are fucking retards
>>316504808
>PS4 and the Xbone concepts were created since 2009
Dude, you're fucking retarde.
>>316491383
>only benefits gimmicky first person games
>shit body awareness
>still relies on traditional input because omnidirectional treadmills are a joke
>advancement
It's an evolutionary dead end, just like motion controls.
>>316487715
>Strong focus on VR
But PS4 is getting VR.
Pretty genius. They'll make the PS5 backwards compatible and it'll just be like upgrading your PC or something. Makes sense too since PS4 obviously can't handle VR. People will eat it up
No reason to pick up a PS4 though unless you need your daily dose of the latest cod
Wonder if they'll be a reasonable price?
>>316500496
Ha you play Minecraft and Just Dance? You're a fucking loser. That shit is popular among children, autists, and little girls. Just because something makes a lot of money doesn't mean it isn't played by and designed mainly for kids you nintendo manchild.
>>316507005
>browses /v/
>calls someone a loser
kek
>>316502354
why does a black guy fuck a blonde lesbian harder than others? I don't get it
>>316506405
>PS4 can't handle VR
http://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/console-desktop-pc/anton-shilov/sony-designed-the-playstation-4-game-console-controller-for-vr-from-the-start/
>>316504394
It's going to be an XBox Three Hundred Sixty.
>5x the performance for watt
>next generation is all mobile
>>316489463
>Games making more money with a wider demographic than ever
>video game crash when
protip: never.
>>316504394
Already confirmed by MS and there was leaked job listings looking for people on their hardware team for a next gen console with "Nvidia Experience", senpai
Sony and Nintendo are likely sticking with AMD while MS are going back to Nvidia/Intel next gen.
>Xbox, start housefire
>>316490126
Intel isn't "comfortable" with their foundry situation. Though when you make the kind of money that intel does its hard to be uncomfortable.
They've had massive yield issues with their 14nm node. They were losing money on each Broadwell chip sold, and the binnings were so wild that the CoreM lineup was an absolute mess then they launched.
Their 10nm node was delayed because they cannot get it to acceptable volume levels.
Zen's primary target, as they have explicitly stated, is the enterprise market. Servers are a growth segment for them with Zen, desktops are not.
Tons of data centers and HPC clients are going to be transitioning away from POWER, and upgrading their older Xeon platforms. Zen is the far more attractive solution since they'll be priced to undercut Xeons, and POWER is such a joke today that its not even worth mentioning.
>>316505413
Motion controls are basically done. They don't have to evolve much because..it just werks.
VR is a joke because it, like many things that were pushed, doesn't fucking work in practice.
>>316507905
>Sony and Nintendo are likely sticking with AMD while MS are going back to Nvidia/Intel next gen.
Sounds like it will be expensive. Nvidia/Intel is god but you can't make pc with Nvidia/Intel parts under $500 that runs even as well as a ps3/360.
The fact that amd has a unified gpu/cpu at a low price/performance ratio is why people used it. But depending on a company on the brink of bankruptcy could hurt.
>>316508043
Dunno, mang. It werks for me.
>>316507180
Nice projecting there big guy. Not everyone here has to lie to themselves as they waggle their wiimotes to ke$ha and roleplay with 13 year old aspergers kids
>>316498562
>Bulldozer is the architecture itself, Jaguar was an update of bulldozer (steamroller) basically is like if jaguar was based of Haswell instead of Sandy bridge.
You're a tech illiterate retard, and you need to keep your stupid fucking mouth shut.
Jaguar is an update to the Bobcat core. Neither of which are even remotely related to the Bulldozer family and its derivatives.
>>316497945
The Llano APUs used Husky cores, they're a K10.5 derived design. Basically a small update over the cores used in the Phenom II CPUs, though lacking an L3 cache.
Bobcat and Jaguar are simplified designs in comparison, though Jaguar ended up having slightly higher IPC than K10.5.
bought a 980ti just to play binding of isaac everyday,
fug
Budget pc builds that will outperform those consoles right now incoming.
>>316507005
The manchildren on /v/ made minecraft a powerhouse. I'm as surprised as anyone that the fat swedes badly coded joke took off.
As for just dance, no I don't. But you'd have to be fucking retarded to not know that it's popular.
You see stupid. It's not about currying back pat points from fucking losers in a tiny subsection of the world. It's about creating a console that can pull in anyone no matter what background and interest they have.
That's the key.
The console industry fucked itself by pushing away the 'casuals" and trippling down on the gamers WHILE helping push the anti gamer bullshit that dwindles down the gamer ranks and further forces it back into a tiny barely profitable niche.
NO I take that back
With consoles not having the instal base of the last gen and most people not having pcs strong enough to play those AAA games that can only wow the casuals, there is no way AAA or console style gaming will remain profitable.
>>316508276
The Xbox hardware team were the one who created the custom Nvidia GPU in the Surfacebook which uses an Intel/Nvidia setup
Likely MS aren't taking any chances after the xbone hardware debacle next gen. Will be interesting to see if they try eat costs on it though.
>>316507373
Right, I mean it has VR capabilities for dedicated VR games but it can only handle new releases just barely as is. It won't be until ps5 when we'll start seeing major releases supporting it. I don't know about you but my interest in playing battle-tanks or whatever shovelware they have so far is pretty low.
>>316495223
There are 3 generations of GCN thus far. They are not referred to anywhere as 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, or 1.x. This is a naming scheme that a dipshit writer at Anandtech created because he forgot to ask AMD the name of their arch.
There is Southern Islands.
Sea Islands.
And Volcanic Islands aka GCN 3rd generation.
The R9 285, Fury, and Carrizo are 3rd gen GCN.
Every fucking thing you're posting is completely wrong, you enormous fucktard.
>>316487715
>strong focus on VR
oh god why. i know you have to bring something new to the table but this isn't it.
>>316499780
>look Nintendo is doing a stupid decision
>lets follow them too!!
That was exactly what Nintendo was trying to bait them into doing this gen and it totally backfired. They pushed the thing out the door as soon as it was finished, the fucking Wii U online services were a DAY 1 PATCH EVEN FOR DEVS.
They thought pushing it out early would get them instant sales from the Wii crowd but nobody was biting, and didn't really understand what it was or why they should drop another 300 bucks on some kind of handheld screen, doesn't my son already have an ipad?
>>316507525
Freemium stuff on the mobile and occasionally playing a puzzle game instead of touching the console or even thinking about playing a game on the pc is a crash.
And unless the nintendo console lures in the casuals and brings some heat, it's over. It will start this gen.
>>316508638
>xbone hardware debacle
What debacle?
>>316509051
>The industry moving into a new market that gives a massive about of finance and opportunities as well as a significantly larger potential consumer base is a crash
Nigger what.
>>316499405
>They honestly think NX is a "9th" generation console
It will be the IX gen console as well as Dreamcast was the VI gen.
>>316487715
>All those sonyggers posting lists of ps4 releases that won't come out until 2017
>when they finally come out, Sony will release ps5
BAKA
new consoles already? this gen barely has any good games
>>316508638
>The Xbox hardware team were the one who created the custom Nvidia GPU
No, no they were not. The GPU in the Surface Book is nothing but a GT 940M with different clocks.
Stop talking out of your ass.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9767/microsoft-surface-book-2015-review/4
>>316509095
There was no debacle. Microsoft got what they paid for.
The only thing you could point to that would be an issue is Microsoft's own design. They included a number of ASICs in the system for image and audio processing. Its needlessly complex.
The anon you're talking to is just lying through his teeth over and over.
>>316509442
>>316509492
Isn't that pretty much what happened with the ps3? 2018 does not sound like a bad year for a new gen. The problem with Nintendo is they are going to release a 8th gen console when the 9th gen is around the corner.
When did they fall 2 years behind?
>>316509593
>MS said at the surfacebook launch that the gpu was a custom nvidia by the Xbox team
>"B-B-BUH 940M"
Assmad as fuck there will be another Xbox confirmed.
I was under the impression AMD is only barely kept alive (just enough) to prevent Intel from being hit by anti-trust lawsuits to break their processor monopoly up.
Like AMD's processors are hamstrung by legally only being allowed to buy their materials from an Intel-owned foundry, which is entirely intended to prevent AMD from being able to properly compete with Intel. All they have to do is sell AMD inferior mats :^)
>>316510202
Why would anyone be mad at another xbox? Competition is a good thing, I own a ps4 but the last thing I want is for xbox to go under. Sony responds poorly to no competition.
