Would you say that Blood is superior to Doom?
>technically
sure is
>overall
no
Would you say that Shadow Warrior is superior to Blood and Doom?
The loud screaming faggots made me drop it after 2nd episode.
Blood was great! Blood 2 was shif
>>316420817
the overall balance is way off in sw it's the most polished build game otherwise though
That's not Heretic or Hexen.
>>316420458
I'd say it's more fun, but less balanced than Doom.
>>316421350
Mahmortal
>>316420458
No, I would not.
>>316420817
To Blood.
>>316420831
>AHHHHHHHH
>AHHHHHHHH
>no source port
>AHHHHHHHH
Blood was the best of the Build games.
>>316422848
Douk > Blood
>>316422905
lol no.
Even Redneck Rampage was better than Duke.
>>316423032
You're not even trying.
>>316422905
>>316422848
douk sw and blood are all on the same level
>>316423032
nah it isn't and this is coming from a guy that likes redneck too
>>316423032
im sorry bro
>muh source code
just give it to us Atari
>>316423171
>douk sw and blood are all on the same level
This. Personal preference may dictate a favorite but overall they're equal.
>>316420458
I love both, but Doom is more solid.
Source port when
Nothing is superior to Brutal Doom.
>>316424156
>>316424156
How to spot underage
>hitscan baddies being one of the most numerous and regular enemies in the game
Not really.
>>316423032
How the fuck can anyone hold an opinion this bad
The only thing RR had going for it was the soundtrack
>>316420458
No, both are good but Blood have way better weapons
Currently on Mission 5 of Nightmare Difficulty in Doom 2.
Anyone have any tips? Shit is starting to get rough.
>>316425196
This.
Redneck Rampage was atrocious.
Personally I think Shadow Warrior was the best build engine game. The most advanced rightfully so, and I really like how the weapons felt and how you had to think fast during the fights as Lo Wang wasn't as durable as other main characters from other games.
>>316425570
>nightmare
don't even bother fighting, you just gotta sanic
>>316425570
Run
Don't mean to hijack this thread, but there's a game I remember my dad playing on PC when I was young. I thought it was Blood for a second but I don't think that was right. It was a Doom-type game like that, but I don't think there were firearms in it. I remember a lot of gray and a medieval castle kind of feels to the levels, and I believe the HUD had a portrait of the character and it would degrade like Doom's when he got hurt. I think there were axes and other melee weapons in it too, but I can't remember any projectile type shit. Anybody got an idea of what that is?
>>316425706
>>316425717
That doesn't sound fun Anon
I must kill the demons
>>316425876
You're not fast enough to kill demons on nightmare.
>>316425876
Nightmare was literally made for speedrunning, not killing.
>>316420601
Except Doom has numerous source ports making it still hold up perfectly. Blood has none.
>>316426028
>>316426056
Fuck it then, I'll just start Plutonia 2.
>>316426154
Will never receive any either thanks to copyright jews.
Just sit on a property without any intention of using it.
>>316425786
Heretic or Hexen
>>316425786
There is no character portrait, but that sounds a lot like Hexen.
>>316425598
>>316425196
redneck isn't even bad especially if you have experienced the other build engine games
>>316425786
heretic? hexen? witchaven? i dont think they had character portraits though
>>316425786
Witchaven? Catacombs 3D?
>>316425786
lol, Quake?
>>316425786
Heretic?
>>316420458
H-Doom is the best imo
Hitscan enemies are the worst things in FPS games. Doom at least has a majority of enemies chucking fireballs at you, a good player can be out in the open dodging and getting into the action.
What other FPS games even have a limited amount of hitscan enemies? Every 'good' FPS I've played is plagued with them.
Fuck off, this is a mac thread now.
>>316426852
marathon is pretty shit mate
>>316426812
Hexen has zero hitscan enemies or weapons.
>>316426812
Most FPS attempt to be realistic, so no slow balls of fire launched at you.
>>316426812
Heretic
Hexen
Hexen 2
>>316426852
Only people who like Marathon are Apple hipsters.
Yeah, it was neat having a good story in a FPS, but the gunplay and enemies sucked.
>>316420458
If it came out 3 years earlier
>>316421350
Great game
>>316425876
enemies respawn though so what's the point?
If Blood's so good, then why won't Atari release the source code?
>Best level design
DOOM
>Best Weapons
Blood
>Best atmosphere
Shadow Warrior
>Best protag
Douk
>Weirdest shit what the fuck is thisStrife
>>316420458
Yes, of course.
Shadow Warrior was the most technically advanced Build game (it even had vehicles), and some amazing environments, but seemed somehow uninspired and had the blandest character.
But all the Build engine games were amazing
>>316426407
>>316426438
>>316426476
>>316426492
>>316426494
>>316426630
>>316426648
The more I look at Witchaven, I think that might be the one. There's one other detail I remember vividly, that there was some kind of furry monster in one of the levels that he was fighting and it took forever to kill the thing. I think it was gray too. That's the best I can come up with considering last time I saw this shit was like somewhere between 1994-1996.
ZTXCW-92LRZ-DVHT3
>>316427092
nah, last category is always EYE
>>316427092
I'm always tied between Doom and Heretic in level design.
Seriously, Heretic's level design is terribly underrated. Every level has a clear architecture and design that feels natural, much unlike Doom II's nonsensical shit thrown together.
>>316427138
>it even had vehicles
>But all the Build engine games were amazing
you havn't played them all
>>316427000
>>316426941
Hexen was fun as fuck, but it had one glaring problem. Centaurs. I know it's weird to denounce a game for one single enemy, but holy fuck do centaurs slow the game down soo much. Even if you use poison gas on them they still will take forever to kill. It doesn't help they're one of the most common enemies in the game.
>>316427092
>Best Weapons
>Hexen
ftfy
>>316427417
all right, I didn't play Redneck Rampage
>>316427417
>>316427417
>water hazard
>>316426852
Fuck yeah. I'm going through M2 on TC right now, it's awesome.
>>316427334
Should I buy it? Any performance problems with olders PC's?
>>316427353
Maybe I should do another replay of Heretic, but I always liked Doom 1's level design the best. They still had Tom Hall on level design and he was trying his best to make the levels look like a space base.
>>316427582
There is a motorcycle addon for duke on duke4.net btw
It's time to settle this.
http://strawpoll.me/5992281
>>316425876
>>316426261
Play Ultra-Violence with 'fast monsters' turned on for a similar, horrifying experience.
>>316427710
its always on sale and yes, you can run it on toasters since its just source engine
>>316427710
>>/v/:/316373631
unoptimized source engine made by frenchies with fuckhuge levels for what purpose, probably not gonna run smooth, but yes, buy it for a dollar and lose your mind
>>316427894
Sounds like a good idea
Thanks Anon
>>316427571
Quietus is so absolutely overpowered. It's just ridiculous how you can clean a room full of enemies with a single or a couple or shots.
>>316427883
can you imagine a game with all three of these guys
like an a team or something
Fuck me. The only old FPS that I actually WANTED to come to steam, came to steam in an unplayable fucking state that not only runs like shit, controls like shit, but can't even be fucking fixed.
Why the fuck did Duke Nukem and Shadow Warrior receive special treatment, but not Blood?
I think Blood is quite different from Doom, I wouldn't compare them, I like both and enjoy them in different ways.
>>316427571
>no Tome of Power in Hexen 1
>>316428105
>We're here to take out the garbage
>you got that right, Dookie
>...
>>316428150
Because Blood is owned by super jews.
>>316427571
>>316427458
>>316427353
>>316427092
>>316427000
>>316426438
>>316421350
>no modern Hexen/Heretic successor
>>316428150
Stupid shit with Warner Bros I think, so standard assholery.
>>316428085
Are you thinking of Wraithverge?
>>316428150
Warner Brothers are a bunch of jews sitting on the copyright.
The original creator REALLY wants to do a source port so it can breath new life into the game like Duke Nukem 3D got. But WB has an incredibly high charge to license out that dead IP.
>>316428348
Well actually...
CRUDUX CRUO!
I don't think Blood is the best out of those games but man did it have a lot of fucking cool shit.
>>316428472
Fuck me, I always mess up the names for some reason.
Yes, I meant Wraithverge.
>>316428472
>yfw the priest boss can deflect those
>>316428552
>Aprils 1st
>>316428587
IT BURRRSSS AH AH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>316428592
>yfw the Traductus spams this at you
>>316428472
Did they always drop those maces like that or is this some kind of a mod?
>>316428552
It still hurts.
>>316428651
It was later confirmed it was not an April's Fools joke.
But it's been more than 5 months since...
>>316428747
The three class bosses are incredibly easy, though, especially if you're playing Cleric. They die with two or three Wraithverge shots.
>>316420817
God that was a good game back in the day. It's free now on steam now by some miracle.
>>316428912
Thanks for the nightmare fuel.
>>316428829
Part of the base game; ettin maces and centaur swords/shields going flying off their corpses during the gib death. Other gib deaths have various body parts separate.
Hexen had the best gibs.
>>316428693
http://b.1339.cf/ovwhoag.webm
>Hexen was 20 years old this month
>tfw no one gave a shit, including Raven Software
>>316429395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=112WeuCnyQs
>>316428150
>but can't even be fucking fixed.
We still talking about Blood here? Get good at Dosbox. You can make it run like a dream.
I could never get into Hexen and Heretic. The levels were just mazes
>>316429565
Wolf 3D had maze levels, Heretic/Hexen didn't.Except the level Wastelands, holy fuck.
>>316429565
Heretic is not more maze-y than Doom.
Hexen on the other hand can get very frustrating, especially the Seven Portals hub... which unfortunately is the first hub in the game. The whole game is a key/switch hunt with a lot of backtracking between maps.
>>316429395
Most of the old guard at Raven Software left after being made Activision's bitch. Now it's a bunch of souless workers doing CoD shit.
>>316429526
MIDI music is pretty low quality and all
But god damn do I have nostalgia for it. Especially when it's an ambient soundtrack.
>>316428150
it sucks that it's is just a dosbox package but it works fine if your not a retard
I really want to see a modern Hexen/Heretic style game.
>>316429719
There's this remastered version, very good and faithful to the original.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fispefQPGw
>>316429548
I tried following the steam guide for fixing all the issue, but it didn't work for me.
Maybe I did it wrong, and I have trouble remembering since it was so long ago, but I was having big troubles with FPS, screen resolution, and mouse aiming, which the guide tried to fix, but it didn't work for me.
>mfw I've never seen any love for Heretic here ever
>>316427883
>tekwar
kek
>>316429940
Every old fps thread has Heretic love.
>>316430071
Well shit maybe I'm not looking hard enough for the threads then
>>316420458
No butRedneck Rampage 2 is
>>316428829
No, they always did that.
Blood is much more unforgiving compared to Doom. Probably one of if not the hardest game of the Build saga.
Damn good fun though.
>>316429940
Heretic had the best boss battles out of all the old FPS
I think the reason Heretic is underrated is because of how similar it is to Doom. At first glance, the weapons and monsters are just reskinned Doom stuff. The inital orb is a pistol, red wand is the chaingun, etc. You gotta sink your teeth into it before you start getting into the differences from Doom.
>>316429882
So I take it this is pretty much vaporware at this point?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9SQpq6DUKA
Why is D'Sparil's theme so fucking perfect?
https://a.pomf.cat/glzgbt.oggBecause I couldn't find this exact version on youtube.
>>316429940
My only complaint with Heretic is the lack of dangerous enemies, even when they are numerous.
Only Disciples and Ophidians are dangerous. The boss enemies (iron liches and maulotaurs) however are amazing.
Also the ridiculously random damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjmAPbxC-iE
The best. PEW PEW.
>>316429940
There are always a few people that mention it, but it feels like Heretic/Hexen just weren't that popular. Personally, I think Hexen is the best dungeon crawler ever made.
>>316427710
it's been on sale for .99 several times now
how could anyone not own it?
>>316428150
Sure it can. Open the dosbox conf file and set the cycles to max. Then it'll have much better framerate.
What did you guys think of Powerslave (PS1)?
>>316430692
>In May 2015, Techland announced that the company have put the development of Hellraid on hold as the game failed to meet the company's expectation and that the company wanted to focus on expanding the universe of the Dying Light
God fucking dammit, I didn't know they put Hellraid in development hell.
>>316430850
Hexen was pretty innovative and had a really cool idea with the hub world.
But the execution was pretty bad. When a player gets lost they just wonder around empty levels humping the walls hoping to find a key or something, which is REALLY boring. Fun on replays though when you finally have some idea of where to go.
>>316420458
Yes.
>>316420817
Also yes.
>>316429930
>steam guide
Yeah, no comment.
I remember suggesting some shit on /vr/ that helped a dude getting it running fast. I think the big one was to play around with the machine setting in Dosbox.
># machine: The type of machine tries to emulate.
># Possible values: hercules, cga, tandy, pcjr, ega, vgaonly, svga_s3, svga_et3000, svga_et4000, svga_paradise, vesa_nolfb, vesa_oldvbe.
Try setting it to vesa_nolfb if it's the VESA graphics settings giving you trouble. Setting the game to minimum resolution (with no VESA) would also fix it if that's the case.
As for mouse aiming, don't even bother. It's not a true 3D engine, you're better off using the autoaim.
![1879264[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pWkyZsV.jpg "1879264[1].jpg")
>>316431013
yeah it is cool that the playstation can play CDs
>>316431206
Well, from that trailer alone it didn't look like something that would be even remotely as fun as Hexen. It felt like Skyrim to be honest.
>>316429940
>mfw I've never seen any love for Chex Quest anywhere on the board
>>316431265
The card setting won't have pretty much any impact on performance. Stick with the default.
The big one you want to fuck with is the cycles= value, set it to max. Also a big impact on performance is the output= setting, try overlay, ddraw, and opengl
>>316420458
All Build engine games are superior to Doom (yes, even Redneck Rampage).
>>316431459
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Techland's melee combat going by their other games.
>>316431476
>be a young dev in the early 90s
>make a Doom TC to advertise cereals
>two decades later
>remake the fucking cereals game with twice as many levels and release it for free
Chex Quest's author is pretty based.
>>316427417
All you're doing is reminding me how shit HL2 actually was and that I regret wasting money on it.
At least Gmod exists to enjoy the only fun part about it.
>>316431459
>The devs themselves said the game was basically a spiritual successor to Hexen
>mfw
>>316428592
If you're playing Cleric, you can do that too with your invuln.
>>316431774
The kind of shit that people can make with Gmod is amazing.
And I'm not only talking about sandbox, but the whole custom game modes scene.
It's honestly one of the best purchases I've ever made. At least back in 2008-2009 until a few years ago when it became DarkRP, TTT and shitty game modes like Murder.
>>316431265
it works fine straight off steam but you can always change resolution output and cycles
you can use bmouse for freelook but yeah it's still shit best way to play is disabling y axis and setting lookspring look to some keys
>>316432075
Actually it was the mage who gained reflection, the cleric became incorporeal.
>>316422303
Why does Japan love Hexen? It baffles me.
>>316427883
Had no idea there were so many people who think Blood is that good.
>>316432247
That's from /vr/.
There's one guy on pixiv who loves Hexen, pic related, but that's about it. Oh, and Japan got an official dun of the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhREiu1PLlA
>>316428237
Probably a good thing, since the un-tomed weapons are always boring as fuck to make the tomed versions seem cooler (see literally every weapon in Hexen 2). Still, it's fun to imagine what could have been. Tomed Wraithverge... the mind boggles.
>>316432427
>dub
>>316432427
>>316432546
Who's the kid? Some Touhou?
>>316429904
The Winnowing Hall theme is the single most badass tune I've ever listened to in a video game. It's what kept me hooked to Hexen when I finally started playing it.
>>316432697
Not sure if it's an OC or some anime/vidya character, buthe's a trap.
>>316430495
I actually like how Cultists will actually put you into deep trouble in greater numbers despite being basic enemies. It never stops being fun trying to blow them apart.
>>316432442
You're probably right, although un-tomed Bone Shards is fucking amazing.
doom > doom 2
>>316432797
disgusting
>>316420458
Is that really a fair comparison? Blood obviously stands on the shoulders of DOOM, just as DOOM stands on the shoulders of Wolfenstein.
Games used to actually take the advances of their predecessors and add onto them with their own innovations and improvements, unlike today where games are actually regressing (aka "becoming more streamlined").
>>316433141
It wouldn't be Hexen without a few traps.
>>316433139
Doom 2 has some levels that aren't all that fun
>>316433267
:^)
>>316420817
>hitscan enemies everywhere
Fuck no.
>>316433139
Doom 1 had better level design. But the SS and the extra enemies in Doom 2 are excellent additions.
>>316433418
Less than Blood. Weaker too.
>>316433298
"Some" is an understatement.
>>316433090
Portal Of Praevus is an underrated gem. I wish more people knew about it and g
ave it a chance.
>>316433590
Agreed, it's so much better than the base game.
Great: Doom Hexen, Duke
Good: Blood, Heretic, Shadow Warrior
I never played Strife or Redneck.
>>316433590
>Hexen 1 characters had names but no backstories
>Hexen 2 characters had backstories but no names
>>316433574
>Entering: The Chasm
>>316433090
Necbros report in!
>saying hail satan everytime you kill something with magic missile
>>316433940
Strife is Doom: RPG Edition. It's less difficult than previous Doom engine games, but it has some nice things (one of the enemies is a giant robot that flies around and can fuck your shit up if you're unprepared, the plasma gun equivalent is basically the super shotgun on steroids, the motherfucking grenade launcher is god)
>>316434248
I'd say it's the hardest of the Doom engine games but for bullshit reasons, like enemies have a fuck ton of hp and almost everything is hitscan.
>>316434498
It also has one of the worst sewer levels with unbelievably grating music to make it even more annoying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cogcEANYEkM
>go to /vr/ in search for 90s fps
>every fps title gets lumped into the Doom general
>>316427827
Pretty sure they had it in the Duke Forever demake as well.
>>316434886
>make a thread outside of doom general
>dies
>go into the doom general
>no discussion besides Doom and Doom mods
>>316434886
Hey, at least those guys are inclusive.
The only old-school FPS I've played are Doom 1, 2, and the Marathon series.
Are all 4 Hexen/Heretic games worth $10
It's cheaper to buy all 4 than just 3 of them with the bundle price
>>316435083
>Are all 4 Hexen/Heretic games worth $10
Definitely.
Have you actually played it recently?
Runs really poorly and the levels are pretty dull, vanilla Doom holds up much better. Comparing it to technically to Doom/2 isn't fair anyway, considering it came out only 6 months before Quake 2.
>>316426852
Motion sickness the game.
>>316435269
according to the steam reviews the expansion pack for Hexen has mixed reviews. Is that correct?
>>316435401
>Motion sickness the game.
You've never been more wrong
What's your favorite Korax quote?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXLPJH-JOLc
>>316431686
If the VESA modes are the problem then changing how they are emulated certainly will affect performance.
>>316435753
Deathkings of the Dark Citadel? Nah, it's incredible, on par with the base game if not a little better.
yfw you start The Haunting for the first time and hear this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INPse-VqHl4&list=PLD14535EF05250E2C&index=3
>>316435753
It's shit. It ends up being even more "find the key/switch" than vanilla Hexen, which is saying something. Something bad.
>>316435753
>>316436116
The problem with Deathkings is that it doesn't add anything new in the way of enemies, weapons, or items, just new hubs/levels. However those levels are absolutely top notch. The expansion is rather long, 3 hubs to the Hexen's 5, and the difficulty spikes after the intro level so it offers quite the challenge.
>>316435759
>>316436495
I find the expansion to be shorter. But yeah, it gets hard real fast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FglQS6qYqeE
>>316436848
Well it is shorter, as mentioned it has 3 hubs, with the same amount of levels and secret levels, and the base game has 5. That's more than half the length of the base game.
Is Heretic II good?
>>316428552
Don't play with my heart like this, anon.
>>316437324
no.
>>316437324
It's different from the other games in the series but yes, it's good. If you like Jedi Knight Jedi Outcast/Academy, you'll enjoy Heretic 2.
Nevermind that post. I need to get some rest.
>>316422736
this motherfucker
>hospital level
>get to THAT room with the key
>grab it and expect the worst
>two of these assholes rush into my face while screaming into my headphones, literally the whole screen was a pixelated grim reaper face
>panic the fuck out
>hide inside a crack in the wall
Blood reboot when?
>>316420458
I think Blood's setting is neat but I enjoy Doom's gameplay a lot more. Blood's hitscanners are dicks.
>>316428348
Ziggurat is the closest thing
>>316425786
nigga it better not be quake
http://duke4.net/bombshell-prequel-using-build-engine/
Only thing to be excited anymore.
>>316439598
mite be cool
bombshell looks alright too
i dunno why people don't license the build engine and make proper games with it
Never played Hexen. How much is it?
>>316440026
>>>/vr/doom
They have it for free on their pastebins.
>>316433298
i think you mean doom: the plutionia experiment
>>316433298
>>316440292
Doom 2 and Final Doom are both pretty disappointing. Now Doom and Doom 64 is where it's at.
>>316435083
>Are all 4 Hexen/Heretic games worth $10
This is probably sacrilege but I'm gonna say no. At least not today. They're definitely worth a playthrough and the wads are everywhere, but I just fucking hate the level design, in Hexen moreso. The idea of it is great and I get hyped everytime I feel like booting it up but then I just remember those slogs through the game trying to remember all keys and switches, it's literally a fucking labyrinth. The lack of weapons doesn't do it justice either (4 per class).
I dunno. You might enjoy it. I'll still play it from time to time but with mods and never to the end. Heretic is pretty much the same thing but more "Doom" orientated level design.
>>316426154
http://store.steampowered.com/app/299030/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1
and the second bloods on there. got them in a humble bundle.
>>316441109
Heretic spotted.
>>316435083
its not worth it the same way a suspension for a car from the 40`s isnt worth it. its cool and retro to have, but your not gonna...put it into your actual car.
however, if you WANT to support them, probably dont buy it from steam, those are just dosbox enviroments
>>316435759
god whats that game on steam that always go on sale. its got that handling, but with the physics of water. THAT got me sick in 2 minutes flat and descent was fine for me
>>316426154
FUCKING ATARI BEING IP TROLLS
CUUUUUUUUUUUNTS
>>316428552
never ever
;_;
>>316441584
jokes on them. all they managed to do was NOT become historical in the world of dos and porting, and NOT have a major, still continuing series
Any other 2.5D FPS/RPG hybrids?
Ultima Underworld and System Shock 1 were fun if a bit dated, Hexen and Strife were pretty mediocre
>>316441612
>filename
Glad I'm not the only one.
>>316442073
would like to know this too
>>316441346
It's a game I've wanted to like since I was like 10. My feelings on it have never really changed. Besides doesn't Bethesda own the IP now? Fuck giving your money to them.
>>316442910
Activision bought Raven in the 90s, Zenimax/Bethesda has nothing to do with them.
>>316443024
My bad, was thinking of Doom.
