When did the line blur between FPS and RPG? Why do some people consider bullshit like this an RPG? Why, /v/?
>>315770125
because it is also an RPG
>>315770125
>When did the line blur between FPS and RPG
2000 at the latest, you could make an argument for Wizardry or M&M or Elder Scrolls.
>>315770250
>Clearly a first-person shooter
>"Also an RPG"
Nigga you could say that for any fucking game.
Is Kirby an RPG? How about Super Mario Bros? Zelda?
No. Neither is this. It is an FPS.
>>315771030
if you're going to bring us down this road, define the necessary and sufficient conditions for what makes an RPG and then explain why it fails to qualify
otherwise, you're wrong.
Because it has "RPG elements"
Aka mostly useless stats attributed to barely noticeable gameplay modifiers
Modern fps need this to overcome its washed up playability and general boringness
And I enjoy COD, but not fallout
Fucking sue me nerds
>>315770125
RPG refers to any game with numbers these days. In fo3 you level up and acquire skill points, so it's an RPG.
>>315771524
It's not about what makes it an RPG so much as what makes it an FPS.
The defining feature of this game's gameplay is clearly the first-person shooter aspect of it. Therefore, it is primarily an FPS, not an RPG. People who do not like playing an FPS will not enjoy this game even if they love RPG. Therefore, not an RPG. Simple.
>>315771993
>deus ex isn't an rpg anymore
>>315771524
>define the necessary and sufficient conditions for what makes an RPG
Roleplaying.
Can't really roleplay in a game where you end up as a demigod with maxed everything.
>You play a role
>You choose your dialogues
>You choose how you want to behave
>You gain XP
>There are perks, skills and attributes
>You go out exploring and find quests
>It's not only in first person, it's 3rd person too
Yeah, why is it considered RPG?
>>315770125
Are you fucking stupid? it's called an fps/rpg fps because it can be in fps or third person like fallout and rpg because it has rpg elements a big world with quest and loot.
>>315770125
Bioshock popularized it.
>>315770125
I got this game thinking it was an ordinary shooter. I was amazed at the complicated mechanics. It was all very interesting and engaging to me.
I was like: so this is what those nerds play all day.
>>315772305
>I was like: so this is what those nerds play all day.
Uh.. No. This is what the most basic of basic bitches play all day. Literally dudebros and stoners. That's it.
>>315772140
>Stick all this other shit into what is, at its core, a first-person shooter and we can call it an RPG! Yay!
>>315771993
explain to me why FPS and RPG are mutually exclusive.
>>315772091
Deus Ex was never an RPG gameplay wise. Improving skills was basically just unlocking new routes and allowing yourself to shoot accurately without having to run straight up to the enemies like you're playing west side story. What weapons you specialize in is basically just a character select screen made obtuse. Deus Ex really only qualifies as an RPG because your choices actually have some small effect on what happens throughout the game. Also it had the whole "you're a cop JC! stick with the prod!" roleplaying choice thing going on.
>>315772562
An FPS is a very specific type of game, and you can clearly see that the game pictured in the OP plays like an FPS. People like myself don't have fun playing FPS's, and it annoys me that some people consider this type of bullshit unfun game to be an RPG.
>>315770125
You can play and beat this game without firing a weapon.
>Your argument has now become invalid
>>315770125
I remember when I was young, some people thought zelda alttp was an RPG (some magazines even said so). The genre was never really clearly defined. It's the most useless game genre ever, since everything fits on it as long as it has stats and/or levels. Final Fantasy, Undertale, Deus Ex, Dark Souls, Baldur's Gate, XCOM, Grimrock, WoW, Pokemon, Tactics Ogre and even Metroidvania games can be considered RPGs to some extent and they all play completely different from one another.
>>315770125
>fps
>can be played in third person
>>315772492
Before this game I had never played a RPG. I avoided them like the plague because I thought they were for losers who waste countless hours on complicated slow games. I got it because I heard everyone hyping it up, over 200 different endings and I was like: wut? for a common shooter?
This game tricked me into trying a light RPG and I got hooked. Then I played Fallout 1 and 2 and enjoyed them a lot. So it got into other similar games after that.Now I'm a loser who posts on /v/ soNever do drugs kids.
>>315772830
I believe that is referred to as RPG elements.
>>315772648
>RPG and FPS are mutually exclusive because I dont like them
>>315772870
>Fallout 1 and 2
>RPG
You aren't making your case nigga.. I suspect you STILL haven't played an RPG. Name the RPGs you have played.
since Ultima Underworld
>>315772648
Why are you lying? You can play the game entirely in third person but you can't play the game entirely without using the rpg elements so its clearly more of a rpg than fps.
>>315772830
this desu senpai
>>315773087
>its not an rpg because i said so
>>315772590
>>315772590
is this bitch serious
>>315773264
I almost laughed out loud when some smoking buddy/roommate of mine showed me a game similar to this and called it an RPG. What a joke. He never understood why I had no interest in chilling with him to play it even though I said I loved RPGs.
You niggas just don't get it. To a fan of the genre, this shit ain't an RPG.
>>315773440
>its not an rpg because i said so
>>315770125
>300x168
>>315773440
How are Fallout 1 and 2 not RPGs?
>When did the line blur between FPS and RPG?
1987, Dungeon Master
>>315770125
computer games aren't roleplaying games
The original System Shock was definitely an RPG and not an FPS.
I mean, it was even made on the same engine as Ultima Underworld 2.
>>315773087
>>315773440
Man, nigga. I'm the original guy you replied to and man you gave me a good laugh, bro. Like what a fag. hahaha. Why don't you give me a rpg, nigga? Since you so bright and all. Might learn something from you. Haha. Like ha.
it used to be an RPG
then it became a poorly executed hybrid
and now it's dogshit.
>>315773575
the size of your moms vagina, yeah
>>315771993
Have you fucking played Fallout 3? It is far too clunky and cumbersome to be a real FPS.
you don't have to shoot, ergo it's not a first person shooter. can you do that in cowadoody?
>>315770125
>When did the line blur between FPS and RPG?
Quake 1 was originally intended to be an RPG.
>>315773087
are you actually clinically and medically diagnosed as retarded?
because you should be.
FPSRPG are a fantastic combo genre. In the grand scheme of things they're a relatively recent development and one people started crying out for as soon as they became apparent. Stuff like Fallout and Stalker and a few others make for awesome games. Stalker is very nice the way you only get stronger via equipment and stuff and if you know where to go you can just be decked out right from the get go. I like that they all go about their mechanics differently though, It would be boring if they were all the same.
>>315772227
Bioshock isn't even that RPG like, System Shock 2 is a better example of an FPS RPG
>>315774025
>In the grand scheme of things they're a relatively recent development
People already citing games from 20-30 years ago ITT. This isn't anything new.
>>315774272
>List old FPS and call it an RPG.
>See? RPGs have been the same as FPS since forever!
nO.
>>315770125
>ITT: It's not *genre* because I don't like it
>>315771993
It's not about what makes it an FPS so much as what makes it an RPG.
The defining feature of this game's gameplay is clearly the role playing aspect of it. Therefore, it is primarily an RPG, not an FPS. People who do not like playing an RPG will not enjoy this game even if they love FPS. Therefore, not an FPS. Simple.
>>315774383
>UU, Deus Ex, SS2 etc
>call them old FPS that are not RPGs, claim hybrids didn't exist back then
No retard.
MM6 kind of plays like a shooter if you want to plus you get energy weapons later
>>315774674
It's more of a sidescroller. M&M VI on the other hand...
>>315774886
are you high?
>>315774272
Yeah you're right to an extent. The term RPG does get very blurred but I think that pure FPS was much more common and they really making openworld sandbox RPG with real FPS setup and elements are still relatively new, especially in their current form.
I've watched the video game industry grow from nothing to where it is now, literally the whole thing since the late 70's and early 80's but I'm happy to discuss and look at these 2 genres as they have kind of melded together. It's a lovely union and evolution. I love new and evolving and original stuff, that is the beauty of video games. There are no limits.
>>315774647
>The defining feature of this game's gameplay is clearly the role playing aspect of it
lolno. You can clearly see that it is an FPS. The "connection" to RPG gameplay is merely in the fact that it has numbers. That's not what makes it an RPG.
Literally the fact that it's an FPS first is an unavoidable truth. It is right in your face.
>>315774647
I don't want to defend the "it's not an RPG!" autist but
>The defining feature of this game's gameplay is clearly the role playing aspect of it.
Yet go to any thread, specially the spoiler ones, and people will tell you that the writing is shit anyway and the plot doesn't matter. The defining feature of the game seems to be the GTA sandbox aspect of wandering aimlessly shooting stuff and doing the occasional sidequest.
>>315775043
>It's a lovely union and evolution
Yuck. More like gross and off-putting.
FPS are complete horseshit and I'm sick of them ruining my RPG genre with their FPS bullshit. It's even worse that they're so popular because now these companies are pumping out these shitty games like ghetto babies. Disgusting.
What makes an RPG, then? Please name some RPGs and what makes them so compared to games which you say are not related.
>>315770125
To make you cry yourself to sleep at night.
>>315775256
Yeah, it's no so good once they latch onto stuff and then just start churning shit out and beating the the horse to death.
But there's lots of other games to play... Like I said there's no limits and room for everything.
>>315775289
>What makes an RPG, then?
>>315772830
Nothing, almost anything can be an RPG, some people consider even Bioshock to one. In fact, you could say that RPGs are defined by marketing. The company says the game they're making is an RPG and people just accept it.
It was roughly 10-12 years ago now that "having stats you can alter somehow" became "RPG elements" and then they just stopped saying "elements".
Some people claim GTA: SA is an RPG because it has changeable character stats.
>>315775870
If you're the OP, I'm asking for your stance on what an RPG is or should be, and for examples.
>>315772492
So then an RPG in 3rd isn't an RPG it's a 3rd person shooter/adventure game. By that stupid logic. That's also saying gta v is a first person shooter since it added fps to it in new gen. You're an idiot. It's perspective not a fucking genre
>>315772827
Don't you have to kill the radroach in the tutorial?
>>315770125
Because the gunplay is fucking shit. Somehow Fallout games have worse bullet spread than CS:GO.
>>315776557
>So then an RPG in 3rd isn't an RPG it's a 3rd person shooter/adventure game. By that stupid logic
Wrong. RPGs can still have decent graphics, but the games i'm talking about ARE NOT RPGs. They are FPS.
>>315773103
>corrode attacks
>>315772129
i belive that would disqualify a good majority of JRPG's as you get stupid powerful by the end those as well.
FF is not longer an rpg series, you heard it here first
>>315770125
Is WoW an MMO or an RPG
There was a time before Aonuma came along that even Zelda games were classified as RPGs.
>>315776916
>i belive that would disqualify a good majority of JRPG's
And (almost) nothing of value was lost.
>>315776916
>JRPG's
>>315775256
>FPS are complete horseshit and I'm sick of them ruining my RPG genre with their FPS bullshit
I cant even begin to understand the autism that must have gone into this post. Im dearly sorry the vidya industry doesnt cater to your specific whims. I bet if you bitch more on 4chan everythign wil change
>>315771993
wat
>>315777189
How many years ago was this image done? I still laugh everytime.
>>315777293
dunno man, i'd say at least 7 or so
>>315777350
I love this one. Just the guy's face and those last few panels, really.
isnt CoD multiplayer just an rpg with no story
>>315776916
>FF is not longer an rpg series, you heard it here first
Good.
>>315777239
>Stop not liking what I like!
>>315778823
Funny, that would totally apply to the person he was replying to.
>>315770125
>>315771993
>>315772590
>>315773087
>I don't think these RPGs are very good RPGs
>this proves the game is not an RPG
>>315777189
forgot the part where the conservative village/town/city/planet/realm/world is destroyed by the bad guy while youre in a fetch quest
>>315780414
just this then
>>315777350
It's more of an RPG than this /v/ beloved turd, and JRPGs with similar levelling systems.
>can't raise stats
>can't choose skills, they're predetermined as you level up
>can barely choose your party for most of the game
Hell, Far Cry 3/4 and Watch Dogs are more RPG than this.
>>315771030
But Zelda is an RPG, always has been and always will be
>>315772129
>Can't roleplay in DnD
Pffft ahaha
Go take your shitty 90's casual babby RPGs and leave, kid.
>game has guns
>therefore cant be rpg
Nice logic OP
>>315781130
>dnd
>roleplay
hohohoho good one now watch me slay these kobolds
>When did the line blur between FPS and RPG?
Borderlands
>>315781130
>DnD
>possible to max everything
>>315782124
Definitely was before that.
Borderlands was probably the first FPS to do the diablo lootathon gameplay tho
>>315776692
thats a fucking tutorial
>>315783215
So?
It' a part of the game and the story.
Also, you need to kill all of the mutants in the water purifier.
>>315783465
you could punch them to death of youre good enough
since when does killing an enemy disqualify a game from being an rpg?
>>315781469
why would you want to hurt a kobold though?
>>315783931
I don't think anyone is. Its just a matter of "Can you beat the game without killing anyone"
The answer is no you can't. You kill a radroach in the tutorial, and you gotta kill all the mutants at the purifier so your team can move in to work on it.
>>315783931
>since when does killing an enemy disqualify a game from being an rpg?
It doesn't, but being able to finish the game without any killing is a good thing in an RPG. It adds more roleplay possibilities.
But Anon was implying it's possible to finish Fallout 3 without firing a weapon, which is not true because you have to shoot 3 targets and that radroach with a rifle.
>>315784447
i dont think that really counts since its a tutorial level
>>315770445
System Shock 2 had RPG-style stats and levelling, back in '99, I think.
>>315784882
From a roleplay standpoint, it counts.
And besides, you also gotta kill the super mutants inside the purifier to continue the main story. So even radroach aside, it doesn't work.
(1) Genre titles are completely arbitrary
(2) Few games stay totally within their own genre
Here's another way to think about it:
Call of Duty is an FPS with RPG elements (new guns, level ups, etc). Fallout is an RPG with FPS elements (first person control scheme).
>>315784882
Well if you want to be picky, it's still impossible to finish the game without killing anyone because you have to clear the purifier.
>inb4 but you can melee them, so technically you don't have to "fire" a weapon
If you are going to be picky about the tutorial part, I'm going to be picky about that.
>>315780676
This.
Its gonna piss people off but RPGs are determined by how you choose to play (thus the role playing element) So why is a game where you cant choose anything considered RPG?
Why do some people consider bullshit like this an RPG?
make up your own board and story
>>315785379
>Call of Duty is an FPS with RPG elements
>new guns, level ups, etc
>RPG elements
RPG stand for roleplaying game.
You can't play a role of your own choosing in CoD.
All those things (level ups, itemization etc.) give you more roleplaying options, but only if you can even roleplay in the first place.
>>315773913
Then it's nothing?
>>315771993
>The defining feature of this game's gameplay is clearly the first-person shooter aspect of it.
That's wrong you fucking faggot. You've never played it and are talking out of you're ass because you're a shitposting bag of turds.
>>315785959
No, it fits in both FPS and RPG genre.
It's just shit at both.
>>315770125
>Game enhances FPS mechanics but keep them optional
>Neo/v/ keeps saying they turned the game into a FPS
I give up. You fucktards can kill you are selves now for what i care.
>>315785792
That actually looks fun. Is that board game good and what's its name?
>>315770125
what the fuck did i just read
>>315785792
Shit, I remember this game.
Shame we lost a lot of the pieces over time, and some of them broke
>>315786897
Hero Quest.
I haven't played it in years, but I remember it being a pretty good time.
>>315787207
Thanks anon, I'll check it out.
>gimped dialogue, with that shitty wheel
>gimped character stats
Don't know if I would be able to argue it isn't an RPG but at the very least it's a shitty RPG.
>>315770125
when Bethesda made Skyrim with Guns.
If a game has a bunch of stats and abilities and experience for your character, we should just start calling them Upgrade games instead of RPGs, it would really cut down on a lot of confusion.
Fallout 3 is an Upgrade/FPS.
>>315787668
>Skyrim with guns
>Skyrim
u fokin wot m8?
>>315787917
Oblivion with guns.
sorry
2.26 AM, sleepy
they all look the same, I confuse names.
