Ace Attorney is dead.
When are Video Games Awesome going to do Apollo Justice?!?!
>>315754931
You're dead, faggot. Too bad there will be no threads until AA6 gets more info
>>315754931
There was a brief and violent dip in quality at AA4 but luckily everything is back on track now.
>>315755337
Lemme guess, AA5 was your first AA game?
OG Ace Attorney > 3D shit
>>315755460
Is it bad that I enjoyed AA4 more than AA5?
>>315755460
I haven't played AA5 yet, I'm finishing up AAI2.
I do like the spritework with the original titles on GBA and DS, but we all knew 3D was going to come eventually.
>>315755545
Yes.
I mean okay 5 is full of problems in part because of the shitshow of 4 there was no way it wasn't going to be.
>>315755947
What's wrong with AA4?
>AJ is shit!
>DD is shit!
>AAI is shit!
>Athena is shit!
>Maya is shit!
>AA6 will be shit!
There. Wrapped up this thread already.
I have no objections to anything AA-related except the 3D
It's just so fucking lifelesswhy couldn't they do ghost trick-quality animations?
>>315755545
DD's DLC is better than anything on AJ but overall AJ was a more enjoyable main game for me than DD. Mostly because I didn't give a shit about Athena & Blackquill Power Hour and the last case being 1-5 with a new coat of paint.
Remember when /v/ used to have those Ace Attorney RP threads all the time?
>>315756629
>I have never seen DGS footage
>>315756712
But they were objectively better than Does Literally Nothing Trucy and No Opposition Klavier. Trucy's only contribution is being cute when she was a kid.
>>315756815
DGS is a spinoff. If AA6 will be of the same quality, it's good
>>315756825
>Trucy
>does nothing
Ok
>>315756912
No, the animations for AA6 are actually shit compared to DGS.
>>315756997
Then my claim holds up regardless of DGS
Why the fuck does Apollo look younger in AA6 than in AJ?
WHY COULDN'T HE JUST STAY BIG BOSS
>yfw Clay Terran wasn't murdered and faked his death in order to distract from his using Goldeneye to explode Courtroom No. 4
>>315757430
>WHY COULDN'T HE JUST STAY BIG BOSS
Because that was the worst iteration of Apollo as of yet.
>yfw Clay Terran wasn't murdered and faked his death in order to distract from his using Goldeneye to explode Courtroom No. 4
Nah, that literal who plot device can stay dead for all I care.
>>315756127
>Changes Phoenix's character through an idiotic and unbelievable way
>cases and new case characters are weak; Like anyone remembers wocky fondly.
>new prosecutor is actually more of a mentor than the actual mentor and subsequently is a weaker prosecutor than predecessors
>basically the entirety of Zak and Kristoph as plot and characters both of whom is central to the entire game
>Supporting girl does nothing and has no development what so ever. She just talks about magicial panties and Mr. Hat. She does have an adorable babby form though.
>tell system awkwardly handled and frankly a little tedious
>Setting feels like they wanted to be done with Phoenix, which is fine, but they shoehorned him into the setting so instead of Apollo standing on his own as a character (When he's just phoenix lite anyway) we toss him in with a gutted phoenix who steals too much of the show for you to really care about Apollo's plight.
>Sets up all these sequel hooks, and potential development like trucy and apollo being siblings but decides not to resolve in its own game, and now will more than likely never be resolved.
5 had literally NO way to follow this and coming out perfect. People criticize it, and rightfully so, but 4 contributed so much to why 5 is bad.
>>315757631
>Nick died in that car accident two years ago
>AA4 is the MASON system
>Dual Destinies Phoenix is The Phantom
>"The Phantom" was actually Fulbright
>>315757631
>lose your dream job and adopt a daughter to become a single dad
>this shouldn't change a person at all. People are unable to change their personality and they remain the same person forever
Why didn't Phoenix get arrested for forging evidence in 2026?
>>315758202
Because if anyone should have been arrested it would have been Apollo for presenting the ace. However, Kristoph couldn't call bullshit on the ace because only the killer could know it was a forgery thus he would be digging his own grave.
Drew Misham wasn't arrested for making forgeries, and even after admitting that court.
>>315758029
>Changes Phoenix's character through an idiotic and unbelievable way
Address that you ignorant faggot. Okay, you can change characters but you actually have to do it believably. Actually I'll go a step further and ask literally where did I say you couldn't change Phoenix?
>b-but young phoenix was like this
young phoenix did had an unbelievably retarded reason explained as why he's like the total goober he is.
AA4 was VR, right?
>>315758543
Seven years of playing poker and learning how to control your emotions is enough explanation. Plus Phoenix didn't have Maya and her antics on his side anymore.
He's basically the same sarcastic asshole he was in the trilogy
I like how AA3 basically completed Phoenix's story and yet Capcom is still scraping the barrel finding more ways to cram him into games, even turning him into a hobo
Playing through the series again, just finished 3-3
Some observations:
- Maya is still cool, all the way through, but I forgot how very prevalent Mia is in court and how much she helps you. Pearl is also way funnier than I remember.
- Godot doesn't hold up as well on a second playthrough. He's not actually a very active prosecutor, more often than not it's the witnesses going against you rather than him. And when he does, he tends to get instantly BTFO'd. Still a fun character, though.
- 2-4 is fucking great. It was my favourite from memory, but it was even more fun than I remembered. It has a ton of character development for Phoenix (a rarity) and Edgeworth too, which I didn't really remember.
- 2-3 is fucking garbage. I know this is common knowledge, but I went in thinking "oh, I'm sure it wasn't THAT bad". It fucking is. The characters are agony, the case makes no sense in a way that means like you're not fighting a theory the prosecution presents but a nonsense case that never feels satisfying. The whole "let's marry Regina" is creepy and annoying, Regina herself is obnoxiously unrealistic, and Acro not getting introduced until day 2 makes him feel like a non-character. SHIT
- 3-1 is fine, but it really doesn't have much oomph unless you know it's Godot they're talking about in that report. Mia is fun and young Phoenix gets some funny reactions from everyone, but the case itself is pretty boring.
- 3-2 and 3-3 are both pretty great. I didn't remember 3-3 being as fun as it is, but it's pretty great. It's very much Gumshoe: the case, and Furio/Viola are fun villains.
>>315758805
Blame Dual Destinies for making him the protag again.
He was fine as the mentor figure for Apollo in the new AJ series that never happened.
>>315758802
This.
He's still Phoenix, He's just Phoenix who holds all the cards. He knows what's going down, so he doesn't need to sweat buckets.
>>315758902
Dual Destinies wasn't Phoenix, he barely talks.
>>315758802
Yeah, I will never understand the criticism of "he completely changed". Phoenix was always a pretty snarky dick to people. Not an unsympathetic one, but his AA4 self really isn't that much different at all.
>>315758802
He really isn't and I'm seriously amazed you think that by handing everything as playing poker (when he didn't actually know how to play and just had Trucy cheat for him) and losing his job. Even if it was okay, which it isn't, it does literally nothing to address my complaint. The way he loses his job to bring about the need for said change.
>>315758902
>He was fine as the mentor figure for Apollo
No, he really wasn't.
>>315759360
>(when he didn't actually know how to play and just had Trucy cheat for him)
He only brought Trucy to really hard matches, dumbfuck. Nice job confirming you just mashed A without reading.
Why should I take your selective memory opinions seriously?
>>315759360
>>315758543
>>315757631
>it's this guy again
come off your shitty gripe already, this is the same shit every time
>>315759490
Because me forgetting Trucy was less useful than she actually was doesn't absolve your shitty game of criticism. You still haven't address my criticism of how phoenix's change, from the way to lost his job, was in any way well done and justified.
>>315759674
4 has problems and you need to accept that, and one of them includes Phoenix being shoehorned into the setting, and his assassination as a character.
Where do Maya and Pearl stay when they're in the city?
>>315760080
AJ isn't the greatest game and what you think of Phoenix is your prerogative, but I'm fucking tired of your shit in every single thread
It fucks up threads every single time because no-one agrees with you on Phoenix and you just keep going and going forever
Fuck off
>>315760080
>lalala I can't hear yoooou
IDs can't come soong enough.
>>315758902
He was barely even Apollo's mentor in AJ. Apollo was a barely even relevant to AJ period, he's a bland nobody in what was Phoenix, Trucy, Klavier and Kristoph's story.
>>315760239
No, and I don't even post every AA thread.
>>315760272
Thanks for proving my point.
>>315760395
Often enough and typing in a way for it to be really apparent it's a single person every single time, and it's obnoxious as shit. Get over it.
>>315760086
I'm pretty sure Maya shackled up with Phoenix, I remember it being implied.
>>315760515
I think you're the one whose gonna have to deal with it. I'm over 4 being a shit game. I'm just calling it for it is.
>>315758805
>completed his story
Him not needing Mia anymore doesn't make him unuseable as a protagonist at all. It's the same dumb legal system where the odds are heavily stacked against the defence attorney's favour. Phoenix didn't become some sort of unbeatable lawyer at the end of 3-5, he grew as a character but he has plenty of story potential.
>>315760929
>Phoenix didn't become some sort of unbeatable lawyer at the end of 3-5
Funny because the DD team actually thinks this and that's the reason why Phoenix is in Kurain: because he has completely steamrolled the legal system in Japangeles
>>315760583
Shackled up?
>>315761294
Typo or Freudian slip, whichever you prefer I guess
>>315761169
>Funny because the DD team actually thinks this and that's the reason why Phoenix is in Kurain: because he has completely steamrolled the legal system in Japangeles
Yup, same reason he's a mentor figure to Apollo and Athena now. Dude's a fucking lawyer god at this point only rivaled by Edgeworth.
>>315761169
Actually Phoenix's only losses as a lawyer are one he purposely got a guilty verdict for and a case where he was given forged evidence due to a conspiracy to get him fired.
For all intensive purposes, short of cheating, which everyone does anyway, he wins everything. It's just one time they decided to make Phoenix cheat himself. So really only he can beat himself.
>>315756476
>AAI is shit!
Said no one ever
>>315761607
There are a lot of people who view Ace Attorney Investigations negatively, especially the first one.
>>315761607
It's still a good game, but probably the worst in the series. The first three cases range for average to bad. I-4 and I-5 are the only good parts of the game.
Actually anon, there are a lot of fans still playing in a game called Attorney Online which is pretty much a multiplayer version of Ace Attorney where players do cases, use it as a chatroom and things of the genre. It also has a lot of fanbases integrated so you can play as Persona characters, Touhou, 999, Dangan Ronpa, anime ones, etc. (Relax, most servers only use AA ones)
Download link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByY-Ui8HV8LgTDBWWEVqSHdGMlU/view
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abUl3cFUVs0
The only reason I am "Advertising" this is because the player base is running dangerously low. It used to be populated back then at 2009, but today it only has like 150 or 200 active players? Please help bring life back to this anons.
>>315761715
I don't think anyone views the second Investigations game negatively.
>>315754931
>>315761794
AAI2's only negative is Crapcom being a crap and not translating it.
>>315760762
I'm not arguing for that at all, but then I can't help you being an illiterate tunnel visioned autist, I guess.
>>315761607
I'm pretty sure everyone agrees the finale to AAI is longwinded.
>muh rights as ambassadors
Pretty good shit otherwise.
>>315756476
>AJ is shit!
True, it's clearly the worst game in the series, a fucking shame, CAPCOM didn't even adapt it to iOS/3DS so people would forget it quickly.
>DD is shit!
Nah, it's average. You can have fun with it and stay entertained. Still not as good as your average AA game.
>AAI is shit!
Same as above, except for maybe slighty below average
>Athena is shit!
Her story is shit, the role she played is shit, but she's a good character
>Maya is shit!
Shut up bitch Maya is good
>AA6 will be shit
No
>>315762101
I literally didn't say you were, but rather you need to accept that I'm gonna call a bad game a bad game, but okay think whatever you want.
>>315762220
I think the point here was that he didn't actually wanted to go over the same ground again, and yet here you go and do exactly that
>>315762351
>I don't want you people to insult things
>so...
>I'll just insult things you people like
>that way we can stop doing that for the rest of the thread!
>BTW ignore my insults don't reply to it okay?
>good let's start xD
Reddit tier stuff.
>>315762454
>I can't do anything but take things completely literally
You're really fucking dense
>>315762530
>I was only pretending to be retarded
Back. To. Reddit. Now.
>>>/out/
Whatever happened to these? Was it ever completed?
>>315756476
We can talk about this game.
>>315762586
>invoking an unrelated reddit threat
You're young, underage, or both. You also don't understand that >>315756476 implied that every AA thread goes the same way rather than actually advocating those opinions.
Sorry bucko, you're just severely mentally challenged, however much memes you spam around it.
>>315762698
>the ending was shit!
>I never played a Layton game before!
>durrrr
There.
>>315762698
Nope because it was too unrealistic and Phoenix was treated like shit.
Phoenix was always a grounded and respected character after all.
>>315754931
Ace attorney has been declining in quality since ace attorney 3.
1 and 2 are the best and everything else after is pretty shitty and filled Le mumbo jumbo hocus pocus.
It's been around since the first game, but at least it was moderated heavily, save for the final case of 2.
>>315762763
>you underager!
>you must be mentally challenged
>you don't get what he means
>you just spam memes
Ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem. You can't debate for real.
But your post finally looks like someone one would see in 4chan. You're still a long way to go, newfag.
>>315762814
When is PLvAA supposed to be set anyway? After AA1? AA2? AA3? In AA3 Phoenix is this super respected famous lawyer, while after AA1 he just seemed to have had a lucky break.
>>315762927
It's after AA3 because Maya references Luke Atmey with Zvarri.
>>315762909
>answers ad hominem with ad hominem yet doesn't actually argue the point
protip: try reading the last line of that post, maybe it'll invoke some knowledge for you
>>315762927
After AA3, but before AAI
>>315762927
Probably after 1, because following after 3 would raising canon questions most likely.
>>315763058
>>315763064
Ah, you're right, that makes sense
Ace attorney has unfortunately reached a level where if shit doesn't go exactly as the shitty new community wants, then "it's shit"
Most pre-dominantly, if a game doesn't star phoenix or NOT PHOENIX BUT I'M HIS ANCESTOR. People will hate it.
The fanbase is fucking obsessed with this character despite his story being done at number 3. They won't allow anyone or anything else get their own story, IT HAS TO BE PHOENIX AND EDGEWORTH BECAUSE THEY'RE MUH FAVORITES.
>>315763061
>strawman ad hominem strawman
Kek
>>315763154
>Matador Edgeworth
Would have been cool
DD revived it fuck face
People are never grateful
>>315762814
>and Phoenix was treated like shit.
He solved the 1st and 3rd Trial without Layton's help. He stands up to Barnham afterMaya gets burned to death supposdlyand is actually angry. He has great moments in this game.
>>315763197
Then just give the community what they want, why does it have to be something different? Why do they HAVE to make something we don't want? At least give decent characters if they want new ones, because Apollo sucks.
Wuh oh
>>315763309
Japan wants Apollo, and you can eat shit. He's better than post AA4 Phoenix.
>>315763197
It's kind of weird, because Apollo was well-received (especially in Japan). It really feels like the Capcom higher ups, rather than the actual writers, are the ones that keep forcing Phoenix and the lack of spin-off localization all the time.
>>315763282
NO IT WAS UNREALISTIC AND NOT RESPECTABLE TREATMENT OF THE CHARACTER. IT HAS LITERALLY NO REDEEMING QUALITIES AND BLATANTLY UN-FUN.
>Got to Big Top Turnabout
>Lost all desire to play game
Please, someone help!
Dual Destinies was easily one of the top written games
Don't be ignorant anon
I'm excited for AA6
All games were great, even the weak games like AAI JFA and AJ were great
>>315763392
He's literally Phoenix except for more edgy and with less personality as all he does is complain when other characters display their unique traits and/or try to be funny.
>Trucy makes a joke
>"Hey! Stop that!"
>Athena says something in another language
>"Hey do you keep talking in Spanish..."
>Phoenix says something unconventional
>"Boss, come on!"
Like holy crap just shut up already.
Who the fuck cares it's a meme series
>>315763487
YOU'RE WRONG IT'S THE BEST GAME EVER MADE, THE CITIZEN KANE OF POINT AND CLICKS. IT'S AMAZING AND YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
>>315763309
Because it dulls the possibilities of what can be done.
Apollo was great, Apollo was refreshing, and then out of nowhere, phoenix comes and steals his spotlight. It's retarded. It doesn't even have to be Apollo. Just make something fucking different with a new cast of characters and get a new interesting story going on.
>>315763519
The best case in the series is right after it. Get through it, it's your reward.
>>315763527
>Dual Destinies was easily one of the top written games
lol
>>315763618
The AAI series is taking care of that right now. See AAI2, it was an interesting story.
The only flaw of AAI2 imo is howSimon actually killed someoneand how Edgeworth actually arrested him instead of trying to be like Sherlock Holmes and let him escape purposefully for acknowledging that he had reasons to do what he did. Would leave a nice taste and develop Edgeworth a lot. Other than that, it's like the best AA to this date.
>>315763454
Apollo was a commercial failure in North America, and westerns had a lot of criticism about the change.
>>315762623
I don't get the Blue Badger - Orlando Bloom one.
>>315763583
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>315763890
Does it really seem like Capcom Japan gives a shit about all that, though? They blatantly make every new game more and more Japanese.
>>315763890
>280,000 copies
>a failure
>when only AA1 and AA3 did better than it
epic meme'd
>>315756476
>AJ is shit!
No such thing as a bad AA game.
>DD is shit!
Just not as good as OG trilogy. DLC case was actually great.
>AAI is shit!
Worst game in the series, but leads to one of the greats.
>Athena is shit!
Too Mary sue. Needs 1 PhD less, age up to explain amazing fucking curves as well and NOT FUCKING BE IN EVERY CASE.
>Maya is shit!
Nope.
>AA6 will be shit!
I dunno, I have faith.
Also, you forgot about
>DGS is a kusoge! Kusoge!
I'd rather play the game than judge immediately. Japs from Amazon are in no way reliable reviewers.
>>315763893
wooden acting
>>315760086
Fan shit likes this really makes me wish we would get some slice of life elements in AA anime adaptation.
Remember when they put effort into their redesigns?
>>315764516
I hope they don't fuck it up.
>>315764516
I'm kind of dreading the anime, because you just know they'll flanderize everyone
>>315764609
To be fair, she's wearing what Maya was at her age, too. You could argue it's just a Kurain getup.
I mean, hey, they gave Phoenix and to a lesser extent Apollo a redesign, right?
>>315764516
Games are so full of this shit.
>DD
>Trucy and Pearl are like sisters
>never speak to each other in-game
Like I understand the games are all about solving cases and shit, but come on.
>>315764609
Given one of those is a ceremonial outfit and the other's random shit the character wants to wear I think there's a little bit of a difference there.
I only thing I really disliked about DD was how it keep holding your hand in telling you how to crack the testimonies. Hopefully the upcoming games will be tougher.
>>315764609
Well, some people don't change a lot even after a decade.
But seriously, she shouldn't look like she's 12.
>>315764785
Apollo was just wearing a costume and Phoenix only had a dumbass flock of hair sticking out and he didn't button his coat.
>>315764516
>>315764820
I want to see Nick and Edgeworth at one of Trucy's magic shows
>>315764981
It's still a redesign
I mean, other than Ema and to a lesser extent Mia and Edgeworth, the series doesn't really do much redesigning in big ways - just look at Gumshoe or Grossberg, where "younger" just means "different colour suit"
If there were more old trilogy characters showing up in DD that all had pretty much no change then maybe, but Pearl is kind of a weird case to start with
>>315765035
>8 year old daughter of your BFF calls you on stage
>Asks to put hand in her panties
Sounds fun.
>>315764820
I know, right? What's the point of having perfect daughterfu materials, claim they are like sisters and have no proof? Also, apparently at least Apollo has met Maya as she drops in every once in a while. Athena as well, most likely.
>>315764820
>>315764516
But that's kind of what fanart (and a bunch of official art) is for in the first place - the games are about the cases, not every day life, which is just relegated to anecdotes and shit.
>>315765172
They just slapped glasses on Edgeworth and called it a day.
I just really like ace attorney. Even when I can see some of the more glaring flaws that doesn't stop me from enjoying the games.
Like to be honest if you compare all the games together, the three best ones are 1 3 and AAI2, which are still half of the games
>>315765284
Old AA games had plenty of character interaction and stuff thanks to mindlessly investigating everything everywhere.
DD removed that feature to only be possible in crime scenes, so there's not that much dialogue.
>>315765309
I meant young Edgeworth, although that's not a big change either
but yes, I wish older Edgeworth at least kept his glasses on in court, it's a neat reference but doesn't show up much
>>315765420
that's definitely not true, you still investigate the scenes themselves
I just came off of playing the trilogy again, and especially AA1 and parts of 2 barely have anything to investigate in each scene (sometimes only three or four things), while DD was always very much stuffed to make up for the lack of walking around
>>315762698
Everything after Layton turn to gold is horrible
>>315762783
>I never played a Layton game before!>durrrr
>Expecting a good satisfying, non-contradicting bullshit ridden ending in a video game? NOT ON MY FUCKING WATCH
Just because Professor Layton game have terrible endings, doesn't mean anyone should ignore how terrible the ending in the game really was.
>>315758831
>hey /v/ am i cool yet
>>315765284
Yeah, this >>315765420. In original trilogy you could investigate shit and characters would interact and it provided plenty of slice of life material. Like ladder vs. stepladder argument, Phoenix misspelling Dusty Bridge, whole maid costume shenanigans and etc.
AJ had plenty of interaction with Ema Skye, hinting that she might have a crush on Klavier, interactions with Trucy and you get the idea.
DD HAS NONE OF THAT SHIT. You are told Trucy and Pearls like sisters and that's fucking only thing you get.
>>315765634
What?
>>315765649
>You are told Trucy and Pearls like sisters and that's fucking only thing you get.
that's because it's a tiny anecdote that they don't expand upon
it's fine if you wanted to hear more about that particular subject, but DD allows you to investigate random shit at locations and present random shit to people, too
>>315764139
It was a failure. If it sold fine, why did DD retcon almost everything? Companies only listen to criticism when sales are impacted.
>>315764112
Because if Americas aren't a market anymore, you don't have to care about it. Also the series always was japanese-y, the localization just Americanized it.
>>315765701
regurgitating /v/'s general opinions are you daft man
>>315766049
I.. what? I'm pretty sure Godot is generally liked more, Maya is kind of controversial, 3-3 isn't liked that much. 2-3 being bad and 2-4 being great is generally agreed upon, sure, but maybe there's a good reason for that, then?
Not all opinions are made for "fitting in", anon. Just wanted to open some conversation.
>>315765885
In previous installments you were not forced to investigate crime scenes only, every room was full with all kinds of nooks and cranny. I really hate how after Trials and Tribulations they started to deprive us from mechanics like presenting profiles, giving evidence a closer lookthat time, when Nick and Apollo had completely opposite opinion on Kristoph's nail polishand etc. Sure they added Logic and Bracelet and shit, but it's not the same.
>>315765576
Not really. DD only has you investigate one scene and even then most dialogue is related only to the crime instead of off-topic stuff.
DD suffers from a severe case of telling and not showing.
>>315766031
>If it sold fine, why did DD retcon almost everything?
here's to you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy8MUnlT9Oo
>>315766221
>>315766348
That doesn't change anything, but okay.
>>315766278
>>315766289
You're right in there being more scenes to investigate, but in general the scenes in DD itself have a lot more to investigate to make up for it. I didn't get to AJ in my replay yet, so that could have an explosion of points to investigate (although I doubt it). A lot of locations are very empty, and there's not much conversation.
I liked wandering around myself too and prefer that system over DD's, but DD has a ton of banter. It might be more that DD is very overstuffed in characters, so a lot of them get less exposition there.
>>315766526
>OMG, IF x SOLD FINE, THEN WHY DID x RETCON EVERYTHING
think retard
Ace Attorney was never alive in the U.S.
>Third game was delayed for a long time
>Ace Investigations II never got an official release, because the first one sold so poorly
>Digital download only in the West for Ace Attorney 5
>Dai Gyakuten Saiban will never be released in the West
This franchise is a niche series more popular on /v/ than in the real Western world.
I was thinking about DD not reusing anyone from AJ cast. But was there anyone you would've liked to see again? Keep in mind it should make sense.
>>315766819
In a perfect world DD would've tied up AJ, and used Apollo and Trucy a lot more, and then putting Athena in AA6.
I'm not sure who else could return except everyone who did already (Apollo, Klavier, Trucy) - that weirdo journalist? (Obviously Ema, but there was a good reason she wasn't in)
>>315766775
Okay, let's think:
>game sold badly
>what was number criticism of said game
>oh it was changing protagonist
>old protagonist back and like his older self in next game
seems pretty straight forward to me, but feel free to correct me why AJ failing to meet expectations has no impact on DD returning to Phoenix.
>>315766809
>Ace Investigations II never got an official release, because the first one sold so poorly
I'm pretty sure this was mostly timing. AAI2 was released in Japan at the end of the DS's life, and the translation would've made for a game when the 3DS was already out.
Also it's definitely a niche series, but you can't deny Capcom is fucking horrible at handling localization and what games get made. There isn't a series that isn't Street Fighter they haven't been fucking with.
>>315767301
>game sold badly
Same shit you always say autist, yet always proven wrong
>what was number criticism of said game
>oh it was changing protagonist
> protagonist back and like his older self in next game
criticism=/= sells
It has been almost 2 years since your autistic shit has polluted AA threads
Please fuck off to gamefaqs or tumblr like the rest of the autistic fanbase, get a job and try to be a normalfag, or pull out a revolver and off yourself
>>315767987
Woah dude, what rustled your jimmies?
>>315754931
Ace Attorney ended with the third part, after that is only a dream gumshoe is having
>>315762297
Jesus Christ, man, we get it. You hate fun, yadda yadda, will you sing us a different time already? That one's getting old. >>315762297
>>315768198
It would make sense if AAI and AAI2 are just his dreams. AAI2 ended with himgetting a raise
>>315767301
>>game sold badly
AJ is the best selling AA game to date
>>315762698
The ending was fucking hilarious, I was expecting bullshittery but I never would have guessed that level of straight up fuckery
>>315768416
who are you trying to reply to?
>>315763968
YOURE WAIFU IS A SLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
>>315768689
My bad, Clover fucked up my reply to the one guy who always shits up the threads about AA4. Sorry for the confusion, hombre
>>315768498
>>315767987
AJ also was a new game rather a port, so production costs would be remarkably higher. Doing about as well as one version of AA1 doesn't mean it was a huge success.
>>315764609
It's about the same level of effort that they've always done. In order to keep characters recognizable they'll keep design changes minimal unless there's a good reason for something major
>>315769065It was me, the hater asking for clarity, but no problem man.
>>315769531
(retard)
>>315763618
>Apollo was refreshing
He was literally AA1/2 Phoenix except he had multiple people assist him instead of just Mia. They had the opportunity to do something different with a new protagonist and they completely squandered it.
Athena's story was hammy but atleast she wasn't just a Phoenix clone, I'll take her over Apollo any day.
>>315766809
>This franchise is a niche series more popular on /v/ than in the real Western world.
This applies to every niche series /v/ likes. Xenoblade, Zero Escape, etc.
>>315755663
Don't worry, the transition to 3D is actually pretty good. I can't think of a better well, really. The animatios are good, the colors are vivid and the models are detailed enough for you to enjoy them.
Also because they are 3D the breakdowns and animations are far more complex.
I too loved the sprites but at least the art went the right way.
>>315770037
>Athena's story was hammy but atleast she wasn't just a Phoenix clone
You're right. She was a Maya clone.
>>315755663
The 3D for the new games is really fucking good. It's probably the best adaption of the sprites into 3D they could have possibly done.
>>315770435
Maya was absent for a bit versus Phoenix so clone or not, she'll come off more refreshing than a clone of the protagonist.
Not to say she actually was, I'd probably rank them about the same actually but the argument's still there.
>>315770435
She's arguably lawyer Maya, sure. Still more interesting than the available alternative.
>>315770435
I didn't think that at all. There's a ton of Maya clones in the series (pre-AA4 Ema, Kay, Trucy), but Athena doesn't strike me as one.
>>315755663
How you liking AAI2?
Has anyone told Apollo and Trucy they're siblings? I'm pretty sure Apollo has been cleaning her toilet regularly since AJAA.
>>315761736
Thank you so much anon, this is exactly the kind of shit some friends and I were looking for.
>>315769798sorry bro
>>315771769Don't worry. We all make mistakes.
>>315771469
Not yet. Hopefully they address the plotpoint in AA6.
>>315771469
Nope. About the only thing that carried over from AJ was black psylocks, but not Kristoph's specifically. We'll probably never know what going on with him, and frankly it's probably for the best.
As expected it's a thread filled with shitposting
Listen you degenerates
Change your tone or the fucker gets it
We all have opinions here
Now let's make this thread better by stating your favorite anything, character, cases, plot twists, music
Just make it a positive attitude here you simpletons
>>315772963
I really like a sequel to the crossover. They can include more characters from both series like Emmy and Apollo.
>>315772963
We do get some nice Ace Attorney once in a while here.
Today is not that day apparently.
>>315755663
I don't know what i like more actually.
The truthfull to the original sprites animations(DD/AA6)
Or the smooth as fuck mocap (DGS/PLxPW)
Either way, going 3D was not a bad option after all.
>>315773527
Even "bad" ace attorney threads are significantly better than most other threads on /v/
>>315773829
DGS is on the same engine as AA5 and 6 actually. They just improved the animations from AA5.
DGS used mocap for it's animations.
>>315772963
>Character
I like me some Phoenix, I am generic.
>Cases
I really liked case 1-4. It was a neat little case and included some nice character building.
>Plot Twists
The plot twist of 1-3 was good
>Music
Motherfucking obvious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_ZMTXM5fOw
I recently started playing the re-release on 3ds. I forgot how much I enjoyed AA1.
>>315774109
Why couldn't AA6?
>>315774606
We don't know if they are, they haven't released gameplay footage yet.
>>315774714
>they haven't released gameplay footage yet.
Except they have. There was even a demo
>>315774827
Shit I'm retarded then. How do the animations look?
>>315772963
Slice em' old man.
>>315757430
It's the future.
Do you have any idea what advanced medicine is like now? Well future medicine is better.
>>315762698
This crossover was second only to AJ as the biggest mistake the AA franchise has ever done. Why would you crossover with one of the most lousy franchises ever created?
>>315757430
Same reason Phoenix was rejuvenated between AA4 and AA5.
>>315763321
Guilty ass niggas don't drink poison in court.
>>315775679
>most lousy franchises ever created?
Epic
>>315772963
Surely Shelly de Killer has grandchildren. He seems the type that would have sired dozens of heirs in his salad days.
>>315763519
do it for her anon
>>315763519
Yeah, it's pretty frustrating and depressing shit.
Confusing for the most part, though. Fuck logic that whole gotdang case.
>>315764609
I don't think Pearl not changing appearance wise is the problem (she isn't going to be suddenly curvy and hot at 17). Her still acting like her 8-9 year old self is really the issue.
>>315776112
She was a precocious child steeped in tradition, naivety and lies about crimes in her family out of keeping shit innocent and plain for her.
I don't think there's much to change, she merely grew into her mindset.
>>315773197
I want a sequel to PLvsPW just to see Barnham again
I miss him
>>315772963
I just got to the part last night where you figure out Simon was the mastermind. Did not expect that shit at all.
>>315776606
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfWHX3vkVxk
>BARNHAM! BARNHAM! BARNHAM! BARNHAM!
>>315776837
nice try dude. We all know Ray is the mastermind.
>>315776415
Yeah this. She's from mystic hick village and her support models are idiots like Maya, whom she more or less reveres.
>>315776837
>people are still posting fake spoilers
lel
Big Top just felt like any other midgame case to me, I will never understand it's reputation.
>>315776837Simon did nothing wrongThe game pretends he was evil because all murder is bad even in self defenseOverlooks the fact said murder victim not only assassinated a foreign dignitary but also threatened a kid to cover his tracks
>>315777708
Moe
>>315777708
Assholes mad to get penalized for pressing.
Moe became a meme so now 2-3 is le worst case ever
>Played and enjoyed the shit out of the original trilogy on my DS
>too lazy to play the 4th game
Fuck. It's because Wright is not the main character.
>>315777791
Moe is just a clown who is unfunny in-universe, and ends up having to take things a bit more seriously. There is nothing remarkable about him at all, and compared to a character like Wendy, I found him much more bearable.
>>315777708
>the cape flew up and hooked itself onto the bust
>>315777881
This happened to me back in 2008, and I still haven't finished AA4 or played the following games.
Shit sucks.
>>315763519
The case after this one is the best in the entire series. Your patience will be rewarded. Don't give up!
>>315777826
was that really a thing? I didn't even notice
>>315777965
I don't really dislike it, I'm just saying he's a common complaint I find.
>>315777881
>>315778006
Just play them. AA4 is still pretty good even with its flaws. After that move onto the Investigations games then AA5.
>>315754994
Their Trials and Tribulations playthough was kinda bad. Despite it being the third game, he still can't get past some of the logic involved and nitpicks too much over mundane details.
I will hand it to them for making case 2-3, at least the investigation portions really hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bLv1nRhmyU
>>315777965
I'll become the guy that draws lewds of Moe.
>I-i hate DD cuz they gave a friend to apollo outta nowhere
>pheonix gets a Girlfriend outta nowhere, it's fine
>AJ and after are so inconsistant
>Plays AA 3 nobody can channel a spirt is its already being channled, Plays AA2 Mia gets channeled by Maya when Pearl is Channeling her- Its fine.
This thread is just a AA1-3 Circle Jerk.
>>315778576
Clay was a plot device we never interact with and we're supposed to give a fuck about his death because he was buttpals with Apollo
>>315778576
>a bunch of things that nobody has said
>>315778826
Um we did not have to give a Fuck apollo Had to give a Fuck.
Clearly nobody else but apollo even cared
>>315777708
see >>315758831
It's especially frustrating to not have an actual case to work against - compare that to 2-2, where Franziska actually has a great case against Maya because it makes a lot of sense in every way that it'd be justified self-defense, or 2-4 where Adrian Andrews has all the motive and evidence in the world against her. Max killing the ringmaster makes no sense, the witness accounts make no sense, the entire murder plot makes no sense, and them indicting Max makes no sense. You're just going along for the ride in the case, and it never feels like there's any player involvement at all.
On top of that, all the characters are shit. Moe and Max are the most bearable, and that's saying a lot. Ben & Trilo are incredibly awful.
>>315778982
If you have not heard the Clay came outta nowhere complaint You must be new to pheonix threads.
>>315778985
That's the point.
They tried to make us give a fuck about him and feel sorry about poor Apollo
>>315779112
>This thread is just a AA1-3 Circle Jerk.
>this thread
>THIS THREAD
>things nobody has said in THIS THREAD
>>315779135
Not the same guy but im sure that we did not have to give a Fuck. Sometimes good story telling is not to care about what ever individual characters feelings He had his reasons we had ours.
>>315779135
>>315779436
That goes for every victim in DD.
Random literal whos nobody gives a fuck about.
>some policewoman
>some old mayor guy
>some teacher (which Klavier knew but this isn't relevant at all)
>some friend of Apollo
>Athena's mom (poorman's Misty Fey)
>>315779857
AA1
>Some Fucker in a apartment
>well Mia was important
>Some Tv star
>Some prosecutor
AA2
>litterally who?
>Asshole doctor
>top hat faggot
>Another shitty tv star
AA3 did well with most cases involving some that mattered though.
>>315779857
>>315780369
Truly, we need to go back to the real victims everyone knows and cares about
>>315772963
> Now let's make this thread better by stating your favorite anything, character, cases, plot twists, music
>Characters
Edgeworth, Mia, Engarde, Dahlia, Trucy and Ini
>Cases
1-2, 1-4, 2-4, 3-1, 3-4 and AAI2-4
>Music
Too many to count, listening this right now
https://youtu.be/gLiZiquxsUQ
>Gimmicks
Psycholocks and Logic.
>>315764820
>Trucy keeps being stuck at home because Nick makes her study for high school
>Father/Daughter Shenanigans only lasts 3 scenes
This pissed me off the most.
What's the best AA game and why is it pic related?
>>315763968
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