Are there any games set in Vietnam where you get to play as the winning side?
Vietcong 2
Fifa 07
>>315638601
There are loads of them where you play as a Ameriburgers. What are you on about?
>>315638883
Rising Storm 2 when it comes out
>>315638989
that doesnt answer op's question now does it?
>>315638601
7554, it's a vietnamese FPS game where you kill french soldiers.
it's mediocre and a CoD copy but it's something, it's interesting to check since it's their first game ever
>>315638601
But anon, us won that. Then the nva broke the treaty and annex south viet
>>315638601
No matter who wins, America is the greatest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww
>>315639039
It very clearly does.
>>315639059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2ZeUkWOTIc forgot the trailer i'm dumb
Nam '67 was pretty fucking good.
Crazy ass game though, some shocking stuff in it
>>315639161
It very clearly doesn't
How did a bunch of farmers with outdated weaponry manage to bring the world's greatest superpower to its knees anyway?
>>315639110
Shh, no real history here.
>Vietnam war game
>It Aint Me starts playing
>The VC won vietnam
Kek.
If you call that a "win", sure.
Thank god for spineless hippies who wont shut the fuck up about things they know nothing about, right?
>>315639237
Sorry, I'm not used to explaining things to ESL folks.
>>315638601
Battlefield: Vietnam and Bad Company 2: Vietnam
Both are really good.
>>315639325
>>315639337
>>315639309
>Vietnam thread
>It ain't a defeat starts being posted
>>315639239
The Vietnam war is still riddled with absurd degrees of propaganda (the wikipedia article is a farce) so it's hard to find accurate information, suffice to say the Russians and Chinese supplied the Vietcong with weapons similar to what the US did for Afghanistan back when the Russians invaded there.
The main thing I suppose is that the Americans are notoriously bad at war, they've only ever had success in civil war but otherwise incur disastrous losses for the enemy they fight and generally commit some of the most extreme humanitarian atrocities.
>>315639749
>The main thing I suppose is that the Americans are notoriously bad at war, they've only ever had success in civil war but otherwise incur disastrous losses for the enemy they fight and generally commit some of the most extreme humanitarian atrocities.
>>315639987
americans are literally whos at war
the real heroes in WWI and WWII were russians
>>315640168
>Russia
>doing anything other than fucking up in WW1
>>315640168
you're going to need better b8
>>315640449
Don't argue with the uneducated.
>>315640449
>America
>Doing anything but decades of amoral war profiteering and throwing bodies at problems in a way that'd make Russia blush
>>315639325
>>315639337
USA's main objectives:
- Restore a free capitalist society to the integral territory of Vietnam.
- Stop the spread of communism to southeastern asian countries.
Secondary objectives:
- Secure approval from capitalist Vietnam
- Secure local support
Vietcong's main objectives:
- Stop the intervention from USA.
- Unify Vietnam as a communist state.
Secondary objective:
- Get Soviet help
- Spread Communism
Result:
.North Vietnamese victory
.Withdrawal of American-led forces from Indochina
.Communist governments take power in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia
.South Vietnam is annexed by North Vietnam
Vietcong objectives: All complete.
USA's objectives: All failed.
>>315641974
BTFO'd
>>315639325
Is this the part where you claim the you won the war because more Vietnamese died than Americans?
If so, I'll just point out that 90% of North Vietnamese and Viet Cong forces will killed by the South Vietnamese.
>>315639987
>The main thing I suppose is that the Americans are notoriously bad at war
This is true. In the Vietnam War the US lost more choppers to friendly fire and crashing at each other than gunned down by the vcs.
>play VietCong: The Game
>gameplay is your chained to a tree in a jungle and forced to shoot at US troops until they shoot you.
>game over
>start again, try to beat your high score
>meanwhile, flashbacks of your village burning and your wife and children being raped by american Chads occur with indeterminate frequency
>secret Jane Fonda Blowjob ending possible
>>315643624
Likely due to the fact the majority of soldiers in that war were basically enslaved
>>315641974
>>315642796
>samefagging to bump a dead thread
>>315644521
>>315644358
Well yes, also matters like America having no veteran staff for WW2 and being at least two decades behind in tech, drafting kids and barely training them beyond "this is a gun, point it and shoot, do what that dude tells you"
The problems this created cascaded into more modern conflicts where the "veterans" of WW2 lived through some of the messiest warfare in terms of logistics and coordination, and didn't get much of a chance to learn from it, as America was all too eager to repeat their mistakes (fighting a war on foreign soil completely out of their expertise)
>>315644671
good edit
>>315644303
>you will never land in a Vietnam village and rape Vietnamese women while burning down their food stores over the sound of a dank voice chat
why live?
>>315644821
Its not an edit. We're not the same person nigger.
>>315643624
Better than the UK. What are their modern wartime achievements outside of being bombed to shit?
>>315641974
Who won now commie nigger?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/10/travel/mcdonalds-opens-in-vietnam/
>>315644671
Nice proxy change
>>315640168
>the real heroes in WWI and WWII were russians
Fuck off, all the Russians did was die in droves.
>>315645046
Well yeah, the brits are bad too. Outside of Russians I can't think of another nation with a good track record.
>>315645413
Human wave tactics =/= good at war.
>>315645413
>Russia
>good track record
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War
Don't know about games, but pic related is a really good war comic that cuts between a US Marine and Vietcong conscript.
>>315645046
The fact that they endured that shit for as long as they did is actually much more of an accomplishment than any other country in WW2 can claim (beside Germany, who went on a god damn tear)
And matey, the same but worse can be said for the US forces, especially in recent history, who've done nothing but keep up a "lets have more deaths than kills" doctrine. I feel nothing but intense pity for your soldiers who keep getting jerked around by incompetent leadership.
>>315645384
>WW2
>fighting by themselves on the eastern front while the allies ganged up on the other side
>won the biggest tank battle in history while the US forces shat their pants at the mere sight of a Tiger
>still made it to Berlim before them and had to sit and wait half a day for amerigans to arrive for the photo ops
>>315645384
Yes, so did the US forces, the difference is that the Russians actually conquered the German front and the Americans couldn't even get into the back door without incurring retarded losses (not to mention they went in with the Brits)
Sorry matey, Russia has your number in WW2, by a fairly wide margin at that.
Project Reality
BFV
>>315640168
WWI sure, but not ww2 bruh
>>315645743
The US wasn't invaded m8. Don't give me this "y-yeah the brits got their asses kicked but they were so GOOD at enduring that ass kicking"
They sucked, fuck off.
>>315639325
but its obvious in retrospect those "spineless hippies" were right the whole time
it was a senseless war that didn't gain anybody jack shit
Was Vietnam the only war where America was the bad guys?
>>315645384
But they didn't die. They went on to liberate the entirety of Eastern Europe all by themselves.))))))
If the capitalists wouldn't butt in at the last minute to claim the glory, the entire Europe would be libareted by them.
>US military BTFO the vietcong
>Forces North Vietcong to sign peace treaty
>libfags and hippies at home made the war unpopular at home so US military forces are recalled
>2 years later the North breaks the peace treaty and invades the South again
>US doesn't return because of the butthurt from hippies and anti war fags
>South vietnam is conquered
So how did the US lose to the vietcong again?
>>315638992
Right here baby
Rising Storm 2 is going to be the best multiplayer vietnam experience of all time.
>>315638989
the us lost because it didnt achieve its goals there. this is irrefutable.
>>315646378
WWI is still a terrible example because the Allies needed our money and material to fight off the Axis. Not to mention Russia was BTFO by Lenin and Britain and France had begged the US for years for military support and had to resort to lying to us about a potential German invasion through Mexico to get us involved.
>>315646920
Bbut but they didn't achieved their long term goals!
>>315646768
They literally sold guns to Osama Bin Laden back in Soviet-Afghan War.
A pretty short-sighted move to say the least.
>>315646987
They did, faggot. It just the gooks broke the treaty
>>315646768
Every war waged by burgers after WWII they were the bad guys.
Kek look at Iraq. Turns out Saddam was the only thing holding the shithole together.
>>315638989
>get REKT by ill trained soldiers
>put out
>Implying its a win
>>315646920
>>Forces North Vietcong to sign peace treaty
The Viet Cong were exclusively South Vietnamese in support of the north.
>>315646768
>stopping communism
>bad guys
>>315645047
Now everyone loses
>>315647486
>most of tthe deaths are from vietnamese
>most if not all major engagements were won by the usa
>you in charge of knowing shit
>>315647583
>Mass murdering locals
>Not bad guys
>Not taking land
>Not acquiring resources.
>No spreading democracy
>Just straight up murder
>>315639239
They were fine with getting killed until the Americans figured out that they would have to exterminate the population or stay in Vietnam forever.
>>315647760
Body count is not how you measure victory in a War. War is not an arcade game, I hate stupid american logic.
>>315647975
Nyguen, plz go
>>315647760
higher kill count and not completing objectivs doesnt automatically make you win
step up senpai your fucking from /v/ you should know this
>>315638992
Provided Tripwire don't fuck it upI know its AMG doing the development, but Tripwire can still fuck it up
>>315639325
It is a bad shepherd who blames his flock.
>>315639239
the vietnamese viewed it as a war of independence from western imperialists.
the average drafted american gi didn't give two shits about stopping communism in southeast asia.
>>315646987
>huge influx of communism into Asia pre-Nam, states are falling like crazy
>Nam happens
>communism in the area basically stops spreading
As an Aussie I'd say they did alright
>>315647760
I bet you lose a lot in ASSFAGGOTS
>AMERICANS LOST VIETNAM SO BAD THAT THE NOBLE 6'1 BLONDE HAIR BLUE EYED VIETCONG BEAT THEM WITH STICKS AND STONES AND THE AMERICANS HAD LASER GUIDED AUTO SHOOT GUNS BUT THEY WERE SO FAT AND DUMB AND GAY AND SHORT THAT THEY LOST AND THEN THE VIETCONG SAILED ACROSS THE OCEAN AND INVADED AMERICA AND OCCUPIED IT AND THE AMERICANS LEFT BECUZ THEY WERE GETTING BTFO SO HARD! IT WASNT BECAUSE IT WAS A POINTLESS WAR THAT NO ONE IN AMERICA WAS BEHIND, NOOO. ITS BECAUSE DEY GOT REKT #MEMED BY THE EPIC VIETCONG
>This is what non-Americans try and tell themselves to drag the U.S down to their level
>>315639325
You must be lost, this is /v/ where people will actually call you out for saying retarded shit, /pol/ is that way
The best Vietnam game ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCFtiO5j97M
>>315648532
>I AM SILLY
>>315638601
I've never played a Vietnam game where you can play asthe Jews
>>315648532
>US got so rekt they have to resort to juvenile strawman arguments to try and drag the opposition down.
I laughed heartily, kid, keep it up.
>>315648582
> this is /v/ where people will actually call you out for saying retarded shit
More like saying retarded shit is the norm.
Stupid faggot.
>>315638601
battlefield bad company 2 Vietnam
It's also very fun
>>315648532
facts vs USA war propaganda
>>315648806
>>315648849
>>315648916
*tips turban*
insha'allah my brothers! down with the u.s! le rekt!
>>315648841
Technically you play them all as a jew since you're controlling unknowingly soldiers from the safety of your home.
>>315648508
>for an aussie you're even more retarded than expected
>>315648841
holy shit, this has so much potential. a strategy game where you control both sides of the conflict and make decisions that profit you at their expanse.
>>315648126
It was during the vietnam war, you fucking retard.
Hence the american plan of getting high body count on nva would work.
But since you are shitposter, you wounndt understan and make shit insults
>>315648240
My point that they didnt get rekt by them, you idiot. Read next time
>>315648527
>assfaggot
Never
>>315648508
>>huge influx of communism into Asia pre-Nam, states are falling like crazy
Not really. Mostly just satellites of China and the Soviet Union.
Why do people seem to think the north Vietnamese took over Vietcong while the U.S was still there?
They signed a treaty saying fuck off and stay in North Nam, then left. 2 years later when the burgers had left they invaded again.
>>315648965
Don't be mad, sonny. Be a good sport now.
>>315649137
You can't even write, I'm not surprised you know nothing about history or geopolitics.
>>315649358
>YOU MAD?
>Le condescending diminutive attitude
Really showed me.
>>315648965
>US loses, throws hissy fit
What else is new?
mfw a bunch of farmers btfo the french AND the americans
>>315648240
>not completing objectivs
Except they did, nigger.
They stop the gooks from invading south vietnam, and they made a treaty to stop fighting.
Not the us fault for gooks breaking treaty
>>315638601
>war games from Brit, Amarican and Russia veiwpoint
>no game where you are a common german soldier fighting because his choises are very limited or non existing
no natzis are all darkness and evil in the world and usa and russia are all Libarating angelsthey are all good and evil combined
>>315649459
Australians were there too.
>>315649459
And aussiefags
>>315649425
I didn't have to show you anything, the Vietnamese already did.
>>315649527
Aussies might have been the only country worse at war than America last century though.
>>315649620
Yeah they showed how to die exceptionally well.
>>315649697
So did the americans
>>315649626
That would be Germany.
>BACK TO BACK WORLD WAR LOSERS.
>>315640168
>this fucking guy looks up to slavic troglodytes who rape and pillage
>>315646920
PRETTY MUCH THIS TO BE HONEST WITH YOU FAMILY
I SHAKE MY HEAD AT THOSE WHO DISAGREE
>where you get to play as the winning side?
Just say it out straight and tell us that you want a /pol/ level thread here.
>>315641974
- Restore a free capitalist society to the integral territory of Vietnam.
It was there, till they broke the treaty.
- Stop the spread of communism to southeastern asian countries.
I dont see much communism over there these days
Secondary objectives:
- Secure approval from capitalist Vietnam
Saigon
- Secure local support
Read about Mac V Sog
Eat a dick euro poor
>>315639239
Because the war wasn't solely about chasing asian farmers. Americans fought the actual North Vietnamese army.
>>315649786
>Not even 60k Americans killed
>Over 1 million north Vietnamese killed
>>315650148
>Taking pride in killing civs and starving farmers
60000 americans died and they all embarrassed your sorry country.
>>315650148
>USA still lost
>>315650314
Those are just North Vietnamese combatants, not civilians.
>>315650358
>Fight for 10 years
>Sign a treaty
>Leave
>2 years later they violate the treaty after we left
>WAAAAH LET ME CLING TO THIS BECAUSE I NEED TO MAKE AMERICA LOOK BAD
>>315650358
>Goal was to stop the spreading of communism
>After Vietnam, communism stopped spreading.
Pretty successful to me. Not our fault South Vietnam couldn't defend themselves after we went through all that shit to get a peace treaty with the North.
Part of the reason South Korea is still free is because we stayed there. To keep South Vietnam liberated, we would have had to stay there as well.
>People actually understanding that american imperialism has been the driving force behind most of the worlds troubles in the 20th century
Never would have thought it, but it seems even this reactionary hell hole has a majority of sensible people in it.
>>315647760
>100 kills
>0 flag caps
>>315641974
>communist state
There is no such thing as a communist state, that is an oxy moron. You mean socialist state
>>315650672
Yeah because "american imperialism" caused both of the World Wars.
Oh wait.
>Europeans fuck up twice and get put on a short leash by the U.S
>Suddenly act as if they're "civilised" and try to be condescending.
>>315649804
Losing the war doesn't mean you did poorly, Germany has the best record in both world wars and lost simply due to being massively outnumbered.
>>315650582
>Those are just North Vietnamese combatants, not civilians.
So just starving farmers then, that makes it even more embarrasing.
>>315650668
people also forget that the americans installed a corrupt as fuck south vietnamese government, and the south vietnamese people were fucking pissed
>>315649971
>Things that happened 50 years later count for the outcome of the war!
And this is why nobody takes you desperate amerikeks seriously.
>>315650986
Yeah they were starving autistic blind retarded farmers with no arms or legs and they beat they amazingly trained U.S forces who wanted to be there 100%, they weren't mostly kids that were drafted and forced to be there.
>>315651052
Anti-American shitposting is so pathetic and boring.
Where do you even live?
>>315650668
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
>>315651118
>starving autistic blind retarded
No those were their children after the US started using orange agent.
AND
YOU
STILL
DIDN'T
WIN
>>315651441
What country do you live in?
>>315650668
>>Pretty successful to me. Not our fault South Vietnam couldn't defend themselves
You mean the puppet government of the USA couldn't defend itself, right?
>>315650668
>we
kek
The people who consider Vietnam an overall loss for the US are incapable of seeing the bigger picture. Yes, the US lost the battle that was Vietnam, but it helped achieve the greater goal: weakening the spread of communism.
>but Anon! Vietnam fell to communism and so did the surrounding areas!
Yes, that is true, but once again, we're talking large picture here. The US was stopping communism on a large scale by forcing the major communist countries to spend a vast amount of resources solidifying their position there. To put it frankly, the US was outspending communism to death. Wanna see if Vietnam was a win or loss for the US? Look at the outcome of the cold war, and see just which economic style is dominant over the world.
>>315650925
It was actually european imperialism, but yeah.
America gaining superpower status was a result of the two World Wars.
reminder that if the US didn't colossally fuck up in Vietnam, it would be a first world country today like South Korea.
heres some interesting music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CywQSCZJWPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ImyYHY72Qc
>>315650925
Roosevelt did his best to get USA into the war with Germany, against the wishes of his people.
Eventually Hitler had to declare war.France and Great Britain declared war on Germany, not because of Poland (they didn't give two shits about them in the end, and Poland deserved it anyway) but because they wanted to benefit at Germany's expense.
>>315651782
They fucked themselves up by being stupid fucking commies.
>>315651745
>To put it frankly, the US was outspending communism to death.
How did Vietnam help US do that?
>>315651841
>GERMANY DINDU NUFFIN
>>315651745
Communism stopped the spread of communism. That's like the loser of a duel taking pride for dulling the blade of the winner with his skull
>>315651841
>Eventually Hitler had to declare war.
lol, I love internet historians
>>315638601
Men of War Vietnam has a pretty decent Vietnamese campaign (albeit with russian MC's) but its badly balanced, press quicksave a lot.
>>315652025
>what is the extensive aid from USA to GB, even in the form of US destroyers escorting British ships, and the detaining of German sailors in USA despite there being no war between them at that point etc etc
>>315651980
>ALLIES DINDU NUFFIN
>>315651860
Russia invested into aid to vietnam, but more importantly, they became invested in the surrounding areas to supposedly capitalize on the US "defeat"
I'm not saying that the US planned to lose, a battlefield "win" would have sped the process up, but communism needs large amounts of excess wealth to thrive, and we forced Russia to spend a ton of capitallike we didusing proxys to fight the cold war
You started this thread purely to create shitposting, OP
>>315646558
>other countries are bad at war because they're close enough to the enemy to be invaded
good one m8
>>315651841
rotfl
>>315652328
>ALLIES DINDU NUFFIN
They certainly did less than Hitler you retarded faggot.
>>315652328
>>what is the extensive aid from USA to GB
lel, if countries declared war on everyone selling weapons and shit to their enemies there'd be an eternal world war.
>>315651852
majority of south vietnamese were against communist rule. until the "free and democratic government" killed off the buddhists.
>>315647760
>won all the major battles and killed countless NVAs
>lost the war and were forced to pull out
these two seem oddly mutually exclusive.
>>315652448
But Russia mostly sent advisors and Kalashnikovs, they didn't spend shit compared to the US.
>>315648965
>Vietnam
>Muslim
Fuck, the US is probably more islamic
>>315652931
You're next level retarded.
>>315652675
Killing a few thousands villagers in a battle every now and then is not much of a victory when you think about it.
>>315652776
During the war yes, you are correct. But after the war, due to their military relationship, the Soviet Union became Vietnam's main benefactor during the 1980s. They became yet another resource suck that the Russians couldn't keep up with.
This, along with Russia's other expansions around the world, collapsed the Soviet Union because the US could just out fucking spend them.
America didn't lose to war to the Vietcong, they lost it to the rich white college students back home.
>>315639116
Why is conservatively sexy the best sexy.
>>315638989
>>315653330
Because it still leaves a decent amount to the imagination.
>>315653167
Do you have an estimate of the Russian economic aid to Vietnam?
>>315652675
they signed a treaty with nva which stop the nva from attacking, you fucking retard. It wasnt a loss.
At least being retard and shitposting are not mutally exclusive
The US won the combat though.
America retreated the troops because of Cronkite lies and massive hippies social movements.
I thought this was supposed to be common knowledge by now.I'm not even American btw
>>315653558
off the top of my head, I don't Anon.
The info I'm giving you is from info I researched a while ago, and I don't remember the exact stats. I'm too lazy to go re-research everything right now, but know that enough googling could provide you with some stat
>>315638989
As a Europpe, I have a fundamental hate for those darn colonials. But yeah, in every way that matters. The Burgers won the Vietnam war. Just as 9/11 is the best thing that has happened to them since.
>>315653903
Well, don't you think it's kind of an important part of your argument?
>>315653832
They ran away because they spent years fighting (any lying to American people about it ) and didn't accomplish shit.
>>315650672
Go back to bed, Chomsky.
You're not relevant anymore.
>>315638601
When will america fall? All empires must eventually collapse, right?
>>315649047
>hurr durr retard
seriously tell me why you think I'm wrong, the year of study I did on the subject is more convincing to me than an anon calling me dumb
>>315654092
it is, but honestly I didn't wake up today prepped for a debate on the outcome of vietnam, so I'm just using common knowledge that I remember off the top of my head.
I know aid during the war from russia was in the billions, and then afterwords during the vietnam reconstruction era and up throughout the 80s was a ton of dosh as well
but I'm not gonna make up statistics if i don't have them on hand. Plus, I don't really care enough to spend my day re-researching. The info is out there for the anons who want to see the bigger picture
>>315654229
And yet they still haven't retreated from the middle east.
America has enough cash to maintain troops wherever they want. Nixon just said fuck it all, let the chinks die I want to keep my reputation and ordered the retreat.
Either way, fuck Jane Fonda
>>315654809
this anon knows whats up
>>315654809
America should've bombed that bitched and imprisoned all hippies.
The world would be much better without first world leftist shitters.
Try the Unsung mod for ARMA 2.
>>315654735
>And yet they still haven't retreated from the middle east.
They also don't have hundreds of thousands of troops over there. And by the way, the war in Vietnam was one of the reasons behind the 1970s economic crises.
>>315655451
I thought the economic crisis was because of oil in the middle east?
it really sucks how the north vietnamese/vietcong are protrayed as the bad guys when they just wanted to fight against colonialism and free their nation.
the war in vietnam was a mistake, we were the bad guys. in most conflicts the "bad guys" are usually the side were not supposed to like (vietcong, ba'athists in iraq, assads syria, north vietnamese to some extent before their kim dynasty, palestinians) any side fighting off foreign invaders is almost always the good guys and their fight will always prosper.
>>315654735
nobody ever wins in the middle east.
in vietnam the commies clearly won, if you can call communism winning.
>>315655916
>if you can call communism winning.
fuckoff
>>315655904
>they just wanted to fight against colonialism and free their nation.
by handing it over to the commies
they were useful idiots, nothing more
>>315655762
That was the 1973 oil crisis. But almost the entire 70s were fucked, high inflation, unemployment, etc.
>>315656069
It was either support a corrupt "democratic" government that kills off Buddhists and critics, or support commies
>>315656476
Or make your own enclave/nation and resist everyone
There's always alternatives to the easy ones.
>>315656069
>damn commies, better dead then red!
>better coloniolised where your countries resources are stripped off and sold to another nation for the prosperity of a handful of elite while the rest of the country lives in slums 4th world conditions than any semblance of socialism and nationalization of the countries resources to not have india 2.0 aka the epitome of a democratic capitalist society
you sure are fucking retarded anon
>>315640168
>Let the winter do their fighting for them
Ok Ivan.
>>315656069
They didn't want to hand it over to anyone, they'd just spent the preceding decades fighting off both French and Chinese rule.
>>315656657
>Or make your own enclave/nation and resist everyone
that's literaly what the vietcong/communists did you fucking idiot. you just have such a negative connotation surrounding communism because you "hate leftists" that you can't see that its not a bad thing. only in fucking america can a concept like socialism be seen as spooky and negative.
>>315656662
You're mistaking colonialism with modern day markets.
Colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to many of those countries. Then came independence, and the countries were taken over by corrupt assholes and never ending conflict. Which is, by far, their own fault.
>>315656936
Yeah I'm sure you'd love to be treated as a second class citizen of your own country
>>315656936
>colonialism is great
>apartheid is great
lel
>>315656818
Winter was secret weather super-weapon of Soviet Union, you not understnd because you american.
>>315656476
Didn't some big (landmass-wise) Third World nation try to make an alternative to NATO/Warsaw Pact or something?
In real life and in vidya there's too few of 3-way fights, and what little there are always have two merging/ceasefiring to make it 1v1 again.
>>315657124
>>315657131
>If only everyone was treated equally, we could hold hands and never work
Reality doesn't work like that you daft cunts.
Everything went to shit in South Africa after Apartheid ended. You'd know this if you actually researched various statistics of SA. Same for Zimbabwe, which was previously ruled by whites.
How can you call equal starvation and misery justice? I bet you think that Mandela was a good guy too, instead of the terrorist he was convicted as.
>>315657141
You mean the Non-Aligned Movement?
>>315657136
I'm from Alaska mate, Our winters would fuck your commie ass up.
Wait didn't we have this thread where instead of the Vietcong we had the leftover scraps of the Mujaheddin?
>>315656893
Vietnamese here. Communism, in its practiced state, really is horrible. It's killing our country and turning us into China's doormat. I really wish we'd just side with the US at this point, since we're getting fucked hard otherwise.
>>315657141
You're thinking of the non-aligned movement.
>>315657712
Yeah you know that now but in the 60s communism really was the better choice because the US wasn't as invested like in Korea (unmotivated drafted soldiers, anti war movement and all)
>>315657141
>Tito's Yugoslavia
>third world
>>315651213
right down the street friend. I'm just a regular Joe same as you
>>315657712
Look whose come crawling back like a bird on its belly
Before this thread is deleted I just want to thank you guys for the discussion
>There are people who still defend America winning the Vietnam War.
The entire country was united under Communism. How is that containment? How is that victory?
>>315658152
That's what third world initially meant.
First world were NATO countries, second world warsaw pact, and third world the unaligned.
Later on did it became an economic term.
>>315658241
I'm from South Vietnam - we always wanted the US to win but the US fucked us and left because
>MUH PUBLIC PROTESTS
Funny bit of trivia: there were tons of scholars from Harvard and other top notch universities supporting communism and wanting the US to pull out of Vietnam. After the US pulled out and South Vietnam got anal raped by the Vietcong and China, the scholars actually apologized to us saying they made a grave mistake.
>>315655904
>they just wanted to fight against colonialism and free their nation.
Just like Chavez just wanted to fight against imperialism.
Just like Castro wanted to fight against dictatorship.
Just like Lenin wanted to fight against the rich.
Just like Mao wanted to fight against imperialism and colonialism.
Just like Hitler wanted to fight against jew domination.
Just like muslims just want to fight for their religion of peace.
Public speech =/= real intentions. The wonders of modern American public education.
>>315658679
Except Noam Chomsky, of course.
>>315657131
>Free-trade zones that are incredibly lopsided towards developed nations that force developing nations into a spiral of high-interest borrowing.
Trade agreements are less fair and more exploitative that 90% of colonialism.
>>315639116
>you will never fuck a 60's girl
>>315659257
You can fuck my mother
>We leave Vietnam because it was unpopular.
>Gets taken over by communism and is still getting fucked over.
>We mostly leave Iraq because it was unpopular.
>ISIS makes Saddam look like a polite schoolgirl in comparison.
I'm beginning to think that foreign wars are pointless for the most part.
>>315658679
Which country are you in now?
post yfw America trained both Ho Chi Minh and Osama Bin Laden
>>315659465
The Korean war in other hand had a very positive effect.
Also the whole middle east affairs is home grown from the start. It filled Europe with muslims and make terrorist groups even stronger. This was all intentional.
>>315639309
ITS CALLED FORTUNATE SON YOU FUCKING AUTISTS
every goddamn thread
>>315639749
What first world nation hasn't committed horrible atrocities during war? I'm guessing Canada but they're Americas hat.
>>315658679
>muh protest
it wasnt all that, it was one of the main.
The sixies in the US was a violent time with racial riots, people burning them self on fire, corruption, police brutality, civil protest, still reeling from JFK being killed, and etc played a part in that war
>>315659739
America also supported Fidel Castro.
It's actually funny when we see Che Guevara T shirt wearing snotty liberal arts students complaining about American imperialism when no country in this planet ever contributed more to the growth of communism in this planet than America itself.
>>315659914
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Beda3kFNjo
kek
>>315660101
>Atrocities justify further atrocities
>>315660197
Not saying that dumb fuck. I'm saying most or all countries commit horrible societies not just big daddy America.
the americans discovered the right way to win the war, but it was wayyy too late.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearts_and_Minds_(Vietnam)
it was for counter-insurgency, but by 1968 it was already a full blown war. and the US had alienated themselves beyond repair with the south vietnamese public
>>315660197
So a bunch of crazy people wanting to make social cleansing by mass genocide and you intervene and somehow this is also an atrocity?
Let me guess, you're also pro gun control too right?
>>315660648
>you're also pro gun control too right
From where did that come? I'm not even him but good God, man.
Sometimes I get really unsettled how fixated you guys are on your precious guns.
>>315659717
Canada. There's no point staying around in that hellhole - it's just a bunch of corrupt assholes whom are held on a tight leash by China.
>>315660641
And? You think that things like that should just be disregarded because everyone else did it at one point in their history as well?
>>315660648
Yes. Those folks as Mai Lai really had it coming.
>>315660197
>amurikkka only does bad things!
>>315639239
By being willing to bleed more. That's the way any negotiation goes.
>>315660948
All political power comes from the end of a rifle.
All order and justice is based on defending it with violence.
If you can't do violence, you're helplessly dependent on your environment, even if it wants to exterminate you.
>>315639239
War of attrition, the Vietnamese managed to hold in there long enough that the hippies got their way and the soldiers had to come home.
If cost or support weren't considerations, the US would have won eventually. They were pretty close right before the end, actually.
>>315661478
This.
Also, the Vietcong played really fucking dirty and did shit like the Tet Offensive.
>Both sides agree to lay down arms for near world-wide holiday
>The Vietcong launch a series of sneak attacks across the country anyways
I remember reading stories of how they even used the sounds of fireworks to mask their own artillery and rifles when storming villages. It's really fucking horrible when you remember that during WW2 both sides got all chummy and played soccer with each other on Christmas Eve.
>>315661394
I cringed hard.
>>315648380
itll be bad just accept it ro2 is shit.
>>315662161
once again, see
>>315648493
the vietnamese wanted independence and they wanted it really bad
>>315661394
>Killing civilians defends justice!
>>315662161
>during ww2
Don't be idiotic. It was world war 1 and it happened at the beginning of the war when the soldiers weren't yet embittered by the horrors of trench warfare that was yet to come.
I can't even comprehend how could you even think something like that could happen in second world war.
>>315661394
When did this EVER become a gun control issue?
>>315662223
It's true though. Any law is upheld by police that will use violence when necessary. If you can't use violence to upheld the law, criminals will just walk away or use their own.
I don't blame you though. Every one of us has been indoctrinated since birth to shun violence, regardless of context.
>>315662454
>the vietnamese wanted independence
Nope. South Vietnam strongly opposed the Vietcong. Stop buying into propaganda.
>>315662670
You do realize that you're advocating murder, correct?
>>315662485
>>315662616
I'm not the same guy who was talking earlier. Just wanted to comment on why guns are important for anyone.
>>315662583
Sorry, it's been nearly a decade since my last look into WW2. Thanks for correcting me.
So what happened to that game where you could play as the Taliban.
>>315657712
>vietnam becoming china's doormat
actual Vietnamese here, implying that will happen ever.
The normal people even stop using Chinese products (lol bread's inner replaced with cotton and tampon)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d9H_1ygEv8
Operation Wandering Soul was a propaganda campaign exercised by U.S. Forces during the Vietnam War.
The operation played off the belief of many Vietnamese in the "wandering soul":
"It is the Vietnamese belief that the dead must be buried in their homeland, or their soul will wander aimlessly in pain and suffering. Vietnamese feel that if a person is improperly buried, then their soul wanders constantly. They can sometimes be contacted on the anniversary of their death and near where they died. Vietnamese honor these dead souls on a holiday when they return to the site where they died."[1]
U.S. engineers spent weeks recording eerie sounds and altered voices - which pretended to be killed Vietcong - for use in the operation, with the intended purpose of instilling a sense of turmoil within the enemy. The desired result being for the soldier to flee his position. Helicopters were sometimes employed to broadcast recordings,[2] in which the voices called on their "descendants" in the Vietcong to defect and cease fighting.
>>315662802
>Civility is only possible under the assumption that you will be shot otherwise.
Thanks Hitler-senpai!
>>315662670
>If you can't use violence to upheld the law, criminals will just walk away
Where the fuck are they going to go? If the police have your license plate or name they will find you.
1554 is a Vietnamese game made about the Indochina War. A decent COD clone
