>Overwatch is coming to consoles
Ah, so that's why the movement is complete garbage with no depth or interesting mechanics, it was designed to be played on a controller.
TF2 matchmaking can't come any sooner, Overwatch confirmed casual shitter game.
>>315612195
>movement with no depth or interesting mechanics
>TF2 matchmaking can't come any sooner
>>315612372
Confirmed never played TF2.
Overwatch movement abilities consist of pushing a button. You can't fail at pushing a button, there's no depth to it.
TF2 is about manipulating physics.
Overwatch is literal console garbage.
>>315612372
>This shit posting has become a meem and will never become a bannavle offense again.
Why do I even still come here
>>315612195
This explains why rocket jumping is substituted with a skill
>>315612627
casuals are allowed opinions too, they're just wrong.
>>315612195
>Implying there's no depth in how to apply those abilities
Not in the beta I take it? If you don't think tracer jump porting doesn't have some depth, you're sadly mistaken.
>>315612990
Retard casual detected
You're aware other games have these decisions as well right? But these decisions actually require skill and thought to apply?
Get the fuck out you insufferable casual
tf2 on consoles is better than the shitfest PC is now.
>>315612195
>not being happy for Overwatch, even if you're a TF2 fan
Overwatch coming out could be one of the best things to happen to Team Fortress in a long time. If Overwatch turns out actually decent, for the first time Valve will have some legitimate competition in the whole class-based FPS market.
If Valve wants to keep making a profit on TF with a decent opposition, they're gonna have to up their game to bring in players.oh there's battleborn too but we all know that's probably gonna flop
>>315613681
It really isn't.
>beta releases and PCfags can't stop talking about how great it is
>it's announced consoles get a port too
>OMFG THIS GAME IS CRAP LETS KEEP PLAYING TF2
christ you people are pathetic.
>>315614052
No, because Valve game have actual depth and interesting mechanics. Overwatch was literally designed for controllers and the limitations of controllers.
There's absolutely no depth to pushing a button. Anyone can push a button. It takes practise to >>315612546
>>315613761
how ?
you can still play the vanilla experience on specialised servers (looks better and runs better and plays better than on consoles), or partake in the new shit
Where were u when they are about to announce its 60 bucks to play this ex-TITAN project scraped assets game.
>>315614714
Because the new weapons have interesting properties that make for some diverse and interesting mechanics. "Vanilla TF2" is a meme.
>>315614827
woops meant to respond to the guy you were responding to
just woke up and started shitposting sorry
>>315614019
What pcfags? You mean the streamer fags who were goven copies of the beta to further make money by showing? I'll bet they love it. I have heard nothing but pure hate for this game in the past few weeks. Shitty character designs no depth not free to play yet will still have microtransactions... Who said this was good before we beard of console ports? Everything i've heard in reference to console ports is along the lines of "ohhh that explains why it's so bad."
>>315615019
Of course I did you fucking retard casual faggot. Source is based on GoldSRC so the movement is similar. We had years of experience with Source before TF2 came out so we knew what it was going to be like.
Also, what the fuck does your post even imply? Overwatch is out and its confirmed babbies first FPS console garbage.
>>315615019
at the start it was obvious there were no interesting movement mechanics but now that we know why theres a reason to be salty
>>315614680
oh eat a dick, surfing isnt fucking difficult.
you literally just hold the strafe button down when on the ramp. And surfing was just some little exploit someone found out.
>yes surfing was great in CSS
>no, surfing is not a legitimate argument that TF2 has better "movement" than Overwatch
>>315612627
I don't know, maybe deep down you really want people to educate you.
>>315615252
i wish more people appreciated quake physics
>>315615337
did you preorder halo 69 yet? no? fuck off
>>315615252
>caring that people enjoy something you don't
>>315615371
>rocket jumping
>air strafing
>bunny hopping
sure CoD has more in depth mechanics
Tf2 is also on consoles retard.
>>315612195
>Overwatch confirmed casual shitter game.
I also genuinely believed that after Diablo 3, Hearthstone and Hots - Blizzard was going to continue their streak of obscure, hardcore games with Overwatch.
>>315615563
>tf2 outside PC
kek
>TF2 players calling something shallow and casual
Wow, this is surreal.
>>315615563
It wasn't designed for a controller thought you faggot retard
>>315615668
I bet you enjoy Battlefield or CS
>playing TF2
>not Q3
how does it feel being a casual?
>>315615785
Funny thing is CS also has more depth than TF2.
>tf2babies
I can't take you seriously, your posts are like memes
>>315615842
This is a false statement.
But I play fortress forever and I think you're all scrubs.
>>315612195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vPDsgg9n40
>>315616007
Oh look, another Source baby thinking his opinions have any weight.
>>315615939
this is neo-/v/, most kids here now also preorder CoD and Halo
>>315615842
Sniping in TF2:
>Even headshots aren't guaranteed frags
>Enemies flying through the sky
>Enemies moving fast
>Spies can sneak past and backstab
>Need to charge weapon
Sniping in CSGO:
>Enemies come from one angle
>Hit target anywhere except the legs for a frag
Wew lad, the depth.
I'm not even going to go into CSGO's first shot accuracy and recoil variance RNG.
>>315615842
>counter-strike
>ADADADADAD combat
>>315615842
>camping > rushing
>cripple on hit
>nonexistent quake physics
>broken crosshair
kek
>>315616076
>Enemies moving fast
>>315613750
>overwatch
>class-based FPS
why do people still think this?
why do people still insist on comparing two games that have almost nothing in common?
Why are people so mad? PCfags are salty because more people can play this game? Tell me /v/ why PCfags are crying about Overwatch*?
*Also available on PS4 and Xbox one
>>315616034
>making bunnyhops a special ability
>>315616276
Nah man, If you like playing FPS' with 2 buttons, thats fine desu senpai
>>315616285
It's a wallrun, anon. Not a bunny hop...
>>315616076
>recoil variance RNG
when is this going to be bannable? why do people still think the sprays in csgo are random?
do your fucking job, janitors
>>315612195
Too soon ?
>>315616496
Erm, just gonna point out that what was happening in this image wasn't what the observer thought. The guy on the floor simply fell over and the other one was helping him up.
>>315616598
I know, i watched prison school. Dont take it soo literally haha.
>Overwatch isnt f2p
this made my decision very clear
>>315616706
>this made my decision very clear
What? You being a poorfag?
>>315616076
>I'm not even going to go into CSGO's first shot accuracy and recoil variance RNG.
Please do, I want to laugh at some random autist who thinks he's an authority on RNG in videogames.
>>315616743
why would i want to spend money on something i dont want but only willing to try?
post yfw TF2 will never ever become an e-sport
>>315616464
>>315612195
>mfw blizzdrones will still defend this and try to make it an esport
>>315616706
Overwatch is confirmed to be F2P, check the leaks, one of the bundles includes 21 heroes.
>>315616804
>team shooter
>e-sport
lael
>>315616883
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/11/05/overwatch-is-coming-to-ps4-and-xbox-one-60-all-platforms.aspx?utm_content=bufferbb56f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
>all platforms
>$60
>>315616464
>/v/ - Valve
>>315616658
>haha
>unironically
GTFO YOU REDDIT TUMBLRING FAGGOT
>>315612546
>TF2 surfing somehow slower and shittier than CS surfing
how did they even fuck that up?
>>315617030
>TF2 surfing
>shittier
It's exactly the same except in TF2 you mix in rocket jumping and shit. It's better in every possible regard.
>caved in and bought a Blizzcon virtual ticket
>>315617125
why
>>315617125
>paying $60 to watch a stream
you do realize there's gonna be a shitload of free re-streams right
fucking americans I swear
Jeeezzz could we just for once appreciate the fact that companies compete with each other and we gamers have more freedom to choose games from. One-game, one-true-mechanic, one reich Nazi gamers are everywhere...
>>315616924
>What is a pre-purchase
Read the contents of the bundles, they specifically mention that they include the heroes. Do you think Blizzard's business practices are shitty enough to charge a full price + nickel and dime for playable characters?
>>315616804
post yfw people think esports are a thing
>>315617160
I want to see the panels and announcements live. I consider it fun.
>>315617186
It was 30e.
>>315617221
Only ones who whine about it are companydrones. In reality no one should care if someone copies a feature from a game you enjoy playing.
>>315617271
post yfw people play video games
>>315616804
>my face
E-sports are a cancer worse than session pass to games.
>>315616994
Youre one stupid mother fucker.
>GTFO YOU REDDIT TUMBLRING FAGGOT
>Doesnt see reddit face as guy taking it in the add with the "Blizzard fan" text
Its almost as if you suffer from down syndrome.
>>315617597
Opps, ass*.
Anyways, youre retarded as fuck. Are you some shitter who just came to 4chan ?
>Sees someone post OC
>OMG TUMBLR FAGGOT
Kill yourself kid.
>>315612195
disregard Overwatch
acquire Legacy of the Void
contruct pylons
acquire essence
SERVE THE DIRECTORATE SERVE HUMANITY
>>315617517
>E-sports are a cancer
>post cartoon pictures
lmao
>>315616034
looksfunto me
>People are acting like the minuscule amount of RNG variance even matters in high level play
There is obvious RNG variance but it is so irrelevant that it never decides any gunfight unless you play silver.
>>315617987
Did you know that shotguns are so random that it's very possible that something that should've been a one hit kill to the head will sometimes end up being a two shot? And with shotguns that basically means you lose if you don't kill in one shot. The spread is so wild and random that anything other than point blank is literally rolling the dice.
>>315618141
Shotguns are situational as fuck, and you should only ever buy them if you will be in a situation where the enemy is close.
Cobblestone b long for example.
>>315618253
everyone only ever buys the GOD DAMNED MOTHER FUCKING AWP anyway so it's not like it matters
>>315616034
God I hate Youtubers and Streamers. That guy played like shit too. Didn't go for that full health drop when he was was really low even though he was right next to it, didn't get the other pack that is safely inside the building, didn't swap songs, just hop around and hope nobody shoots him.
These people have the most infated egos I've ever seen
>>315616550
>>315616832
I can tell from the spread that those sprays are both at about 30-40 yards, at which range you shouldn't be spraying to begin with
so, no, you didn't "btfo" anyone, you stupid fucking shitposting idiot fuck
>TF2 matchmaking can't come any sooner, Overwatch confirmed casual shitter game.
So whats the deal with this? It was announced in April I think, and not a word since then. I've been itching for this.
>>315616047
I realize your reply to me is 45 minutes old at this point but I'll still bite. In what way does counterstrike have any more "depth" than tf2 let alone tfc/FF?
>>315618312
Buying more than 2(sometimes 3 depending on the map) is very risky as if the other team is coordinated enough you will at most get off one shot before they are being close.
Not denying the AWP is ridiculously powerful but it isn't OP. Otherwise every comp team would buy 5 of them.
>>315617031
all guns in csgo have a range at which the first shot isn't perfectly accurate, for the guns in the game that matter, ie the colt and ak, this range is extremely long
once again, stop shitposting about games you've never played and know nothing about, you stupid nigger fuck
>>315617987
>There is obvious RNG variance but it is so irrelevant that it never decides any gunfight
Are you fucking retarded? You think people just tap 100% of the time in CS? Of course the variance matters you fucking retard.
CSGO babbies are maximum delusional
There's RNG in CS
>No there's isn't
Proven that there's RNG in CS
>Yeah but it doesn't matter
Proven that it does matter
>Yeah well your game sucks and I can't even state why
every time
>people who think mechanical skill equals depth
>>315618141
you make it painfully obvious you've never actually played csgo, you're just parroting shit you've read on /v/ because it fits your personal narrative
>>315618462
What is first shot inaccuracy.
Also, even the first two shots have RNG on them.
There's no way you're above SMFC. Nobody above SMFC would deny that CSGO has RNG, it's part of the game you dumb faggot. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
>>315618608
>Proven that it does matter
when did you prove this?
oh wait, you didn't
by your logic, I could make a team with 4 friends and we could win every major because of the rng
holy god you anti-cs shitters are so fucking retarded it blows my mind, I think you're all just silver trash that can't understand why they get 2 kills per game and always lose
>>315618751
first shot inaccuracy is only at a certain range
keep shitposting though, maybe add a photoshopped pic of your csgo profile
Why does CS:GO even have that many gums if only a small amount of them matter?
Are they just there as noob traps?
>>315618797
Team work is the only factor that isn't RNG you dumb faggot retard. It's about executing strats and doing the best you can despite the RNG.
Holy fuck, you fucking casual fucking faggot stop talking about CS when you have no history about the game. I bet CSGO was your first CS.
>>315618751
>It's nothing to be ashamed of.
it actually is and why csgo's gun play is fucking garbage. where's the variation in play styles compared to 1.6 and even css? it's non existent. everything is just spray fest bullshit which makes it incredibly boring to watch. because of the rng and because of the the way recoil reset works you don't see anyone with that one tap play style anymore. it's just crouch, spray and awps with overpowered pistols as well. the game is trash. it's only popular because of skins and gambling. FACT. i'm personally lobbying to make csgo gambling illegal so the game gets destroyed.
>>315618867
It was from about here champ.
But sure, keep pretending you have even the slightest idea about CS. I can't believe you're actively denying RNG exists within CSGO. It's proof most you faggots here are like tumblr game posers who don't actually play the shit you claim to.
>>315618926
1.5 was my first, try again shitposter
>>315619071
>gets objectively blown the fuck out
>b-but, I played 1.5 when I was 8 years old and have no proof
I just want you to acknowledge CSGO has RNG you dumb faggot.
>>315619041
at that range the hitboxes are big enough that slight variance is negligible
>tumblr game posers who don't actually play the shit you claim to
ironic
>>315619142
>>gets objectively blown the fuck out
I was? how? i missed it
>>b-but, I played 1.5 when I was 8 years old and have no proof
how am I supposed to prove I played something when I was 13 before steam even existed?
>>315619146
It was to show that RNG exists you dumb faggot fuck. Holy shit how fucking retarded can you possibly be?
>>315616832
Whut? I havent played CS in 2 years, but is this seriously what shit posting has come down to? Arguing about spray RNG when not only are you not supposed to spray more than 10 bullets , spraying has always been a gamble sort of thing ?
For Christ's sake, those bullets patterns are pretty much the same . please tell me that's just shitposting and that tiny little thing doesn't really upset you that much
>>315619203
>still not acknowledging RNG exists
BTFO
T
F
O
>>315619285
this desu
>>315618926
Are you seriously implying that pros won't win pretty much every single gun fight against a much worse player?
The RNG variance only applies to shots during the ascent of the recoil once you compensate for the recoil it will start to cluster and as long as you compensate for recoil you will get a nice circle of bullets that all reliably hit center of mass depending on distance.
You don't spray for the head you idiot.
>>315619216
I never said rng doesn't exist, I said it was so small and negligible that it doesn't matter
I'll repeat what I said before, by your logic anyone can be a top player in CS as long as they have the reflexes to point at someone and hold crouch and the mouse button
>CSGO has no RNG
Upload images that show first shot RNG and spray variance
>CSGO has no RNG
CSGO community grade-a fucking retarded.
>>315612195
>Meme Fortress 2
>relevant game
>>315619216
It exists but you also claimed that it decides gun fights which it doesn't because once you compensate for recoil the variance is so negligible that it won't let you beat a player who is better at compensating for the recoil.
>>315619041
you're such a mongoloid
I bet you love Arkansas
>>315619398
Are you seriously implying that pros won't win pretty much every single gun fight against a much worse player?
How much worse? Because even a very high skilled quake player wouldn't touch a pro.
In CSGO, a high skilled player and pro can dual and it would be pretty much even. Mechanical skill in CS is miniscule in comparison.
>>315619398
>doesn't matter
If you run a frag through a simulator 1000 times, using the exact same player inputs and player locations, you will never be absolutely guaranteed the frag because of variances outside of the player controls.
How does that not matter?
>>315619581
>In CSGO, a high skilled player and pro can dual and it would be pretty much even.
Can you back this up at all or are you just speculating?
>>315618508
pieces are falling together after each update valve ships out (atleast major ones)
there's even beta servers running right now as we speak but you can't connect to them since they're "lobby only" servers
>>315619696
Moses, a caster, played a dual against a pro and won at MLG Aspen (I think it was MLG Aspen)
http://www.hltv.org/match/2296874-devilwalk-moses-showmatch-csgo
>>315619041
>Jakamablownthefuckoutalaka
>>315619581
>If you run a frag through a simulator 1000 times, using the exact same player inputs and player locations, you will never be absolutely guaranteed the frag because of variances outside of the player controls.
And I am saying you are overestimating the variance. The simulator will without a doubt get a kill every time if the distance is within the normal spray range.
>>315619581
It doesn't matter because the game is balanced around dynamically adjusting to what's happening on screen.
Fact : spraying more than 3 bullets has always been risky.
Fact: spraying less than 10 bullets is a trade-off between diminished RNG and a somewhat easy spray to pull off. It is still risky , as all sprays are.
Fact: if you're at a range where spraying is fucking you in the ass, RNG or not, then you're a fucking idiot who's using close quarter combat tactics in long range.
What the fuck even is the deal with these shitters? From your logic, every shot that doesn't hit center of the crosshair is bullshit RNG because you aren't really aiming there.
Back to CoD, and enjoy the game you play. No need to be an asshat.
>>315619776
>http://www.hltv.org/match/2296874-devilwalk-moses-showmatch-csgo
>aim maps
>MLG
>against a player I've never even fucking heard of
you just invalidated everything you've posted thus far, sorry
>>315615371
>you literally just hold the strafe button down
Go try some surf maps, buddy. There's more to it than that.
>>315619924
>Back to CoD
counter strike is just as nooby as cod
>>315619776
Moses is a former pro senpai
>>315619967
>proven wrong again
Getting BTFO this hard
>>315620218
quality shitposting
where the fuck are the janitors?
>>315619924
Bro, the bullet spray patterns are not set in stone, there small variances. Anyone who denies this hasnt played CSGO.
Anyone can go in game, hold down left click onto a wall multiple clips through at 15 units and see that it isnt the same.
You CSGO kiddies are just as bad as the COD kiddies. You probably think that the game still doesnt have major hit box problems either, or multiple no reg faults.
>>315620218
Of course it is relevant who he plays against since pros were high skilled players before and if you pit a former pro against some no name shitter then it is equal.
>>315620281
>Bro, the bullet spray patterns are not set in stone, there small variances. Anyone who denies this hasnt played CSGO.
Nobody is denying the fucking RNG you Mongoloid. The people who claim that it has an effect on top level play are the ones who are retarded.
wait there are people who still play tf2? and they're complaining about a game being casual?
ahaahahahahahhaahahahahaaahaha
>>315620279
>>315620308
Damage control.
Absolute no comebacks from being de_stroyed this hard
>>315620279
>please ban this person for disagreeing with me and saying things I don't like
hey reddit
>Game can't even pull more than a few thousand viewers already
>Seven months until release
>$40
This game is going to choke and die before it even touches the fucking floor
what the FUCK are you doing blizzard
>>315612195
>Overwatch confirmed casual shitter game.
Were you expecting something different from post-2009 blizzard?
>>315620610
If you aren't even going to try arguing then why bother posting?
>>315620597
You know what's sad? Name a fps with more depth than tf2 that has an active community.
>>315620720
>Hearthstone pulling 27k viewers with no one on
>Overwatch can't even break 10k without Forsen or Summit streaming
>They only invited streamers to their beta for viewers/publicity and they can't even get them
>>315620720
>People actually think this
Embarrassing.
>>315620389
>It doesnt have an effect on top level play
>See pros missing bullets cause rng all the time
Bro.
Just to quantify this:
>LE at most (Most likely GN) CSGO faggots on /v/ claim sprays don't have variance >>315616464
It does >>315616550 >>315616832
>claim first shot accuracy doesn't exist >>315616793
It does >>315617031
>CSGO faggots claim skill gap in CSGO is massive >>315619696
Proven casters can be pros in duals >>315619776
Can you be more blown the fuck out?
I haven't played it but the simplicity is probably why it will succeed. Blizzard's target is not you or me, it's casuals. They only use the hype from their drones for free marketing, the design is for casuals. See Hearthstone.
uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
gotards?
>>315620928
Sure you do senpai
>>315620808
I've presented and won all my arguments lmao
There's no arguments in >>315620279 or >>315620308 just damage control.
>>315620874
Its true though, it doesnt even have to do with Blizzcon. There first few days it was hype and it slowly fell off. Pre-Blizzcon it was only getting like like 10-15k views. People who dont watch twitch probably didnt notice but it went from something like 60k average the first few days to, 30k then its where its currently at.
>>315620834
tf2 doesn't have an active competitive community though
99% of the people who play tf2 play on 12v12 random crit brony servers and hate 6v6 because there's no pyros
>>315620937
>>I haven't played it but the simplicity is probably why it will succeed. Blizzard's target is not you or me, it's casuals. They only use the hype from their drones for free marketing, the design is for casuals. See Hearthstone.
>It's casual so it will succeed
Hey
Psst
PSSST
HEYHEROES OF THE STORM IS A HUGE FAILURE AND IT COULDN'T BE ANY MORE CASUALWHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOUR ARGUMENT, BLIZZDRONE?
I wonder what her ass looks like in that outfit.
Also other costumes listed include "slipstream tracer" which sounds hot.
>>315620936
>Proven casters can be pros in duals
Given enough tries I could win one match against a quake pro, that doesn't mean shit in the long run.
>>315612195
>TF2 matchmaking can't come any sooner
Matchmaking and F2P have already killed any semblance of fun and commuinity that the game had left. Fuck you.
>>315621123
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You would lose 100-0 to any average Quake player in a 10 minute dual.
>>315621051
We'll see mate, I will cap this and embarrass you in a few months
When the target reticle takes up 1/10th of the screen you know the game's garbage.
>>315621120
Thats all people care about when it comes to Overwatch. Those models will be ported for r34 use quicker than someone who suffers from pre-sex ejaculation.
>>315621119
Moba market is already saturated while the fps market isn't.
>>315618675
https://youtu.be/IJ_AZdp4EiM?t=1m34s
I've always found it hilarious that the people who know the least amount about the game they're playing are the CS:GO fags themselves.
>>315621219
Enjoy your own embarrassment. Just look at HOTS and how it fell on twitch.
Game is shit, 6vs6 for gaymer esports but where is the actual game?
CS, Quake, Battlefield, TF > all these fucking games hab public servers were you drop in casual and have fun. Esports and competitive play was born natural after you accumulated a huge community. Blizzard thinks if they push esports as hard as they can, it will get super popular and they get rich. Reality is, I don't wanna play shitty esports gaymes were people take it serious and there is no fun to be had. The game is buy2play also, fuck off.
Fuck this piece of shit TF2 clone, you suck Blizzard, you SUCK. You were great long ago but it's over Blizzard, you fucking SUCK. FUCK YOU Diablo 3 is GARBAGE. HotS became boring. Hearthstone is gay, I hate card gaymes. Fuck you Blizzard you fucking scrubs, make a game I want to play. FUCK OFF BLIZZARD FUCK YOU
>>315621095
Not even being inclusive to competitive. there's not many active fps games and the casual tf2 that destroyed everything sacred about tfc is one of the games with the most depth.
>>315621264
>FPS Market isnt saturated
>>315621051
The game was literally only viewed because popular streamer like lirik and summit streamed it. Shit is at 6k right now it's already dead as fuck.
>>315621343
OK what games?
can i play the beta yet?
>making a game like this
>charging full price up front instead of f2p and cosmetic microtransactions
For literally what purpose?
>>315615807
You tell me, gramps
>>315621264
>FPS Market isn't saturated
>Casual FPS Market isn't saturated
>Implying the "team based TF2 class clone FPS market" is anything meaningful
Also good job only inviting big streamers like Bjergsen, Dyrus, Forsen, Trump, ect. to your T R A D I T I O N A L B E T A, Blizzard
I can see its doing wonders for publicity! I will be sure to pick up a copy of Overwatch(tm) for the low price of $40 at my local gamestop!
>>315621346
The game is in fucking closed beta, comparing it to a released game is beyond retarded.
>>315612546
>fov 130
>still slower than any quake title with 80 fov
>>315617186
WE ARE LITERALLY THE EPITOME OF A KEK NOW! THERE IS NO DENYING IT NOW
>>315621508
>b-but its closed beta b--blizzard cant do wrong
>>315621508
>closed beta
A closed beta they specifically invited big streamers to so they could get shit tons of views/hype
Now they have no views and hype is already turning on them. By the 7th month people aren't going to care anymore, just like with every other early access game.
But will they censor the bitches?
>>315621497
>One game just fucking released and the other isn't the same type as overwatch.
Thank you for proving my point. Black ops will be down to under 10k after the initial hype.
>>315621470
>instead of
>>315621497
it's 60 bux
also it might only be something like the starter pack for heroes of the storm, where you can buy 1/10th of the game for like 50 bux
>>315621575
Of course it matters that it is a beta when talking about how many people are playing it. Jesus Christ, fucking memespouter.
>Top tf2 players who have been streaming the game non-stop have said the game is great
>/v/ who hasn't played it says it will be shit
>>315621730
No, $60 is the "Origin" edition.
The game is priced at $40, evident by Gamestop inventories.
>>315621776
Except I wasn't talking about players, I was talking about viewers/publicity, which Blizzard wanted considering they invited numerous streamers that didn't even ask for beta invites, Dyrus said he got one and he never even fucking heard of Overwatch, and he stopped playing 3 days later.
>>315621838
>Top TF2 players
I know of 3, and Seagull is a shill on all fucking levels.
Blizzard won't invite Sodapoppin because they KNOW he would fucking shit on the game despite giving them good viewers/advertising. They're afraid of being criticized already and they have 7 months to go.
>>315621838
>Top tf2 players
>>315621867
Low view count in twitch == Game will be dead on release
Surely you are smart enough to understand this
>>315621346
It's a game in beta, that's been at shit tons of cons so there's a shit load of footage of it. People aren't gonna sit there and watch a multiplayer only beta that they can't play when they've seen a lot of the content a million times already.
>>315615371
god damn I loved CSS surf "rpg" maps with the trap rooms and shit
I remember one of those had Austin Powers quotes when traps were activated, best map ever
"I want sharks with frikkin laser beams attached to their heads"
I wanna play that map now fffuuuu
>>315622012
Faggots tried to say that about Dota for years and no it's consistently one of the most watch streams. That's not true at all dude.
>>315621838
Of course the TF2 pros are supporting this game.
Seagull gets 4k viewers streaming Overwatch.
He will not, under any circumstances, criticize the game.
Because if he does he will go back to being a literal who with 0 viewers.
He needs this game to survive. He is fucking banking on it. As are the rest of the pros.
>coming to consoles
>charging 60 dollarydoos for an online only fps
>"pre-purchase now and get day 1 DLC!"
Holy shit I knew Blizzard would find a way to fuck this up. They find a way to fuck everything up. It was wrong to keep hopes up in the first place.
>>315622125
>He will not, under any circumstances, criticize the game.
Watch the stream sometime.
>>315621508
nice try but if they don't want me to judge their game they better not release it
as soon as it is released I will judge what I see, I don't care if stuff happens in the future
their excuse "it's a beta guys, not finished yet" can fuck itself because they releaesed it in that state
>>315622102
Fuck, I meant to put a / in there.
>>315621508
Says the man who probably owns 2/3 Early Access zombie survival games.
>>315622237
I am not vouching for the quality is anything like that, I am simply saying that its low viewer count is not proof that it will be dead on release.
>>315621971
Perhaps because sodapoppin's opinion is worthless. Also
>afraid of being criticized
>so lets invite people who have been on top of tf2 for years because they totally won't criticize it
>Twitch viewers don't matter! It isn't indicative of how well the game is doing!
This would be an argument if the game wasn't attempting to be an Esport, which basically means "Requires a large online streaming audience"
If it doesn't have that, it already failed at being an Esport. Even DotA2 gets 50-60k viewers when its just fucking nobodies streaming regular matches. Overwatch can't even pull 5k unless Forsen shows up, and even then Forsen pulls 8k viewers compared to his 25k when he streams Hearthshit.
If Binding of Isaac, a roguelike with little to no spectator value, is already beating Overwatch, a game dedicating half of its efforts to being the next big Esport in a market that doesn't even have competition, then the game is fucked.
>>315612546
please at least learn to fucking airstrafe if you are going to talk about depth of movement mechanics
jesus
>Overwatch confirmed casual shitter game
So just like any other blizzard game then?
>>315622528
>I never played WC and SC
>>315622480
Please point to the moment in seconds on the webm you think I don't know how to airstrafe.
It clearly happens 3-4 times you daft cunt lmao
>>315612546
lel tribes wanna-b
>not representative f real gameplay in TF2, enjoy you slow-scout.
>>315622464
>Even DotA2 gets 50-60k viewers when its just fucking nobodies streaming regular matches.
>A released game has more viewers than a closed beta game
???
>>315621626
I need the video but there are millions of Sasha videos.
pls help
>>315621838
what? you mean brad and seagull? they haven't even played tf2 competitively in like 2 years
who else even got into the beta? I haven't seen anyone else streaming but them, I would assume platinum got in bc he hasn't been on steam in weeks but I know he hasn't been streaming and I'm pretty sure that's part of the contract
>>315622653
>implying the team that made those games exists anymore
>>315622653
Would you be happier if I said modern blizzard games? SC2 replaced everything with APM and buildorders where most games are decided in the first 3 minutes of what you build and if your opponent builds the counter or not.
>>315622715
b4nny
>>315616076
Let me fix that for you
Sniping in TF2
>Point and click, receive rage
>Equip shields to fuck over whichever of your counters are posing the bigger threat
>Throw piss and crit people because apparently it wasn't fair to be able to get 150s from range, Sniper also needed 195s in melee
>>315622695
this, fucking retard
check it after its released
>>315622464
People use to say the same shit about your example Dota (which you seem to think is small for en esport or something, there's more money in Dota than any other game between salaries and prize pools) when it was in Beta and never got any views. You mention the random streamers who stream Dota, do you think they just appeared the day it went into Beta? There needs to be time for a game to garner popularity, for regular streamers for a game to appear not just guys who stream every fotm.
Your logic is retarded and not based in anything about your own misinformed opinions.
>>315622678
>tribes
>wanna-b
Nobody wants to be like tribes because its fucking garbage. A completely free game can't hold a healthy playerbase.
Wew lad.
>>315612195
Who cares, both those games are slow as fuck. At least battleborn is coming out.
>>315622669
you are moving at about half a unit per second and your mouselook in completely and utterly aimless.
you look like a first timer. you are probably the guy from a couple of days ago that was arguing about depth of movement then said you hold W during rocketjumps.
>>315622769
woah, seriously? first I've ever heard of that
I know b4nny though, he won't stick with overwatch, he only plays tf2 because he's the best, he won't move to another game where he won't be the best
>>315622770
>still more depth than sniping in CSGO
>>315622038
heheuheuheu I found it
http://css.gamebanana.com/maps/10328
>>315622464
You really are stupid. Not surprising that LoL babies think LoL is the only game that's successful. I've never seen a group so single mindedly obsessed with their game that is just an excuse to nickel and dime it's players endlessly.
>>315615719
Yes it was, that's why they took out so many mechanics from TFC like ammo throwing, flag throwing, grenades, etc.
>>315621971
I care a lot more about the opinions of FPS players on an FPS than the opinions of MMOfags on an FPS.
TF2 was casual console shit from day 1.
>>315622793
>when it was in Beta and never got any views
The first international was in pre-beta and got a metric fuckton of viewers.
Try again.
>>315622770
>Jarate.
>People can't kill you damn well near instantly.
>Spys can't just pull out their revolver and shot you.
>You're supposed to stay in one spot with tunnel vision, unaware of rocket or sticky jumpers.
Git gud.
>>315622941
Scratch that WoW exists.
>>315622464
Forsen is a HS streamer and when he streams something else he loses half his viewers. Happens with everyone else except guys like Lirik who stream pretty much everything.
Dota was a thing before Valve even considered bringing Icefrog along to make Dota 2. Overwatch is completely new with no history behind it.
>>315622464
Yeah that's how I judge how good a game is. By looking at how many Twitch plebs are watching it.
>Invite streamers to your "traditional beta" for viewers
>Get no viewers
>Well it's just a beta it doesn't count come back in SEVEN MONTHS when it's actually released!
I remember when /v/ had some blizzard drones defending the real money auction house in D3 as well.
Man, for the best selling PC game of all time diablo 3 sure is a fucking ghost town now, eh blizzard?
>>315622768
Optimal ways to play are an inevitability of 2015 and the internet and shit like day9.
Then what separates the pros from the plebs is execution and who do you think designed the build orders in the first place?
Finally I have to ask how did the opponent know to build the counter do you think it's luck or well timed scouting? When you saw them scout your shit (assuming you did) did you change what you were doing to catch them unawares. Did you attack sooner or later knowing that they'd be doing something to deal with what you were up to?
TLDR: You're an oversimplifying moron
>>315622860
That jump isn't about speed you fucking autist, you'd fuck up your sync otherwise. The rocket boosts on surfing provide more than enough speed.
And who gives a fuck where I'm aiming when it changes NOTHING about your physics unless you're airstrafing?
Another dumb faggot BTFO.
>>315622976
Never got any outside of the International and people said the same shit in Dota threads as they are now in Overwatch threads. You clearly weren't here back then if you don't remember.
>>315622970
>took out so many mechanics from TFC like ammo throwing
This really didn't add any depth to the game except make engineers stronger
>flag throwing
What?
>grenades
Lets be real, grenades made TFC into a clusterfuck. They had there place, yes they where fun, but a gimmick that needed removing from the next game.
>>315623187
>And who gives a fuck where I'm aiming when it changes NOTHING about your physics unless you're airstrafing?
which you aren't because you don't know how
blizzard has been shit for a decade now. why the fuck do you idiots still pay attention to them? they're a corpse that peaked in the late 90s, early 00s and then sold their soul for subscription bux. rip, nigzard.
everyone who posted in this thread probably has never played a real fps
Is everyone forgetting TF2 is on consoles as well?
They are gonna have a hard time selling this game and maintaining a healthy player base. Multiplayer isn't what is used to be anymore. So many games out there nowadays and not enough players. It looks good from a marketing standpoint, this trailer but what I saw from the actualy game is not impressive at all. I wanna see this movie made though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTsTWFbVi28
>>315623795
> real fps
wat
>>315623669
>don't know how to airstrafe
>webm clearly demonstrates airstrafing
How can you be this retarded? Have you ever considered suicide?
A lot of Quake and TF2 pros seem to enjoy it.
>>315623896
brp bbrrrpp
>>315612546
Try to do this in-game, you'll land dead or with almost no HP.
Rocket jumping is a nice concept and it's even fun to try on servers designed for it, but it's not that useful in-game.
>>315623896
is that Connie from Brickleberry?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tE8x1ZUiFM#t=1m2s
I timed it for ya
>>315622795
>A completely free game can't hold a healthy playerbase.
What is tf2? Lel lad.
99% of people in jump servers dont even fucking play comp tf2
>>315616496
pay to play might not be a bad thing
f2p is always filled with shitheads and kids, the only problem is that they might charge $60 instead of something more reasonable like $30 - $40 AND add f2p tier jewery like microtranscations
>>315623543
>I don't know what flag throwing is
>ive never played tfc
>let me pretend I know though
>>315624123
KEK
>>315624021
Do you even play TF2? Rocket jumping as a soldier happens pretty much every engagement...
You should have known Overwatch was garbage the second it had cooldowns.
Cooldowns in an FPS is fucking awful.
>>315612546
The only Overwatch character where movement really seems cool is Tracer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNq4nTA3eMg
>nobody here remembers TF2 was pay2play with microtransactions AND on consoles
>>315624340
Is there any reason behind oscillations in TF2?
>>315624253
I know loads of shit about TFC like the weapon swap glitch and the pitch shit letting you flip upside down.
I played the fuck out of it, but if you're referring to literally hitting the "drop flag" button while at velocity being a mechanic I'm fucking confused.
>>315621971
>trusting sodapoppin over someone actually good at FPS games
Seagull is our guy, get out
>>315624542
I'm not the guy who originally mentioned it but tossing flags between concing medics was legit as fuck.
Even in pubs people would throw it to a teammate as they were about to die.
>>315624340
>Do you even play TF2? Rocket jumping as a soldier happens pretty much every engagement...
Not to the extent of that webm.
>>315624850
It does though.......
>>315625032
I'm talking comp play dude, no one is going to use 3 rockets to jump a sniper just to hit him once and then get body shot.
>>315622125
>He will not, under any circumstances, criticize the game.
>spends like half his time criticizing how fucking stupid decisions concerning the game's HUD are and how balance is kind of borked right now
Okay, dude.
