What's your honest opinion on Steam refunds, /v/?
>>315289217
I got Undertale for free thanks to it.
WinRar truly is the best thing.
>>315289408
congrats you pirated a game
>>315289217
anyone who is against consumer protection is either literally retarded or an industry shill
>>315289217
It's probably the smartest move they've made in awhile.
I'm for it.
PC games are very unreliable products, when it comes to performance. It's not like a dvd or cd, where you know it works (unless it's physically damaged) and the experience is the same for everyone.
The publishers can't guarantee that a game will run okay, or even at all, and it's not always the buyers or the sellers fault. Sometimes it's discovered that a specific piece of hardware is to blame, or some other shit.
It's a very good way of feeling more secure when buying games. There's always another Arkham Knight waiting to be unleashed.
>>315289217
i loved the hack indie devs meltdown on twitter the day it was announced, hopefully it will also discourage another arkham knight
>>315289217
i watched everyone get a refund for the most retarded shit ever and laugh about how awesome it was
then i tried to refund some games that i didnt want and it wouldnt go through
the first time it was because they had just changed the policy so that the game needed to be purchased within a certain timespan
the next time was because they changed the policy so that you needed to play less than 5 hours of gameplay, when i had only played 6
so yeah everyone got money for nothing meanwhile i legit needed refunds for stuff i didnt play and i got screwed
thanks valve, you fucking pricks
>>315290517
Okay i hate valve but you my friend are retarded as fuck.
They told everyone at the release of steam refunds that you can only refund shit that you have bought in a timespan of 2 weeks with less than 2h
>>315290517
>the next time was because they changed the policy so that you needed to play less than 5 hours of gameplay, when i had only played 6
It's two hours you git
>>315289217
>bought a game because it looked awesome in trailer
>play for one hour
>realize there's nothing more to it
>multiplayer is broken
>thx Gabe for looking out for me
If I can return stuff, bought in real store, then why the fuck I shouldn't be able to return digital stuff? Especially now that we get more games than ever and most of them are just shit made purely for quick cash-in.
>>315289217
it works
>>315290517
they didn't change policy, it was 2 weeks, 2 hours from day 1. People were getting refunds beyond these caps mostly because Valve was flooded with requests and system was still new, so very few employees bothered to check if refund is legit.
>>315289217
Unless you are some low IQ range nigger, you should think it's a good tool against the developer but a scam from Valve.
It's only an actual refund if you get your money back.
Getting fake steam dollaroos is not getting a refund, since Gaben will still be swimming in your money anyway.
Its bad, publishers have to take a hit just because gamers feel like they're entitled to a quality product.
If you buy something you should be happy with it.
>>315289217
I got a refund for a game that wouldn't work on my computer, so I'm pretty happy about it
>>315291313
I've only refunded one game so far, but it but the money back onto my debit card.
>WB giving refunds for Batman no matter how long you've played until the end of the year
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>315290401
>hopefully it will also discourage another arkham knight
Considering AC syndicate, and that Knight relaunched in a state described by a select few as even worse than the original launch, I´d say it has failed in that regard...
>>315290697
>>315290779
>>315291143
thats not even the point
not to mention i went to refund a game that didnt work with my hardware and it wouldnt go through, it was within dates and within play time too
and dont bother replying to this mr. smartass east coast loser with bad internet
I'm glad you can refund, fucking skullgirls, why is it so bad
>>315291568
Steam refunds have only just been implemented, do you think it's going to have much impact on games that have been in development for months if not years?
>>315291313
I got my money back on paypal, not our fault that you pay with your steam wallet
A step in the right direction
Now they just need quality control and stricter standards so that way there's not literal tons of shit being added every day
>>315291691
If you have played the game less than two hours and sent your refund request within two weeks from when you got the game. You are within legal rights to sue Steam if they deny your refund.
That's the beauty of an actual refund policy.
>>315289217
Why would ANYONE think steam refunds is a bad thing? You have to be literally fucking retarded to think pro consumer policy's like this are bad.
>>315291313
You have a choice to put it back on your card.
Hows smearing shit on walls going, you fucking tard.
bought that terrible FFV mobile port.
Paid with credit card and got refunded back onto credit card, in two days.
Turned around and pirated it. Mobile gaming ported to PC is the worst idea ever.
>>315291850
He could be an indie developer, people noticed his game sux and are refunding it
>>315291583
>That's not even the point
No because you just moved the goalpost.
>>315291935
Or he made an hour long walking simulator and people can finish it in the trial period.
>>315291957
>WAAH I LOST MY INTERNET FIGHT
i knew that was what you were after you fucking moron
you dont even do anything worthwhile you just talk shit and never back it up
promptly kill yourself for being so autistic you need to defend something you dont even like to feel accomplished
>>315291313
> a scam from Valve.
>It's only an actual refund if you get your money back.
>Getting fake steam dollaroos is not getting a refund
Oh, how good that you know exactly what you are talking about..., but wait.., what is this?
>You will receive the refundin Steam Wallet funds orthrough the same payment method you used to make the purchase
Oh, seems you don´t know what you are talking about..., how awkward.
>>315289408
how?
Where do you check progress on your refund? I refunded my first game on Saturday and it's still in my library.
>>315291313
Look at how fucking stupid you are, you fat mess.
>>315292094
I'm not even the guy you responded to, my autistic friend.
>>315291313
i got the money back on my credit card
>>315291313
How can one man be so wrong?
>>315292170
It kinda just happens on a buisness day, and your funds are returned
I refunded FF Type 0 when mouselook wasn't a thing, best refund ever.
>>315292253
thats funny because neither am i, im just speculating from the outside
>>315289217
Great
I have had refunds on games that were too buggy and ones not worth the price. That is what you can do in retail and it encourages better product quality
>>315292438
Way to project then.
>>315292317
Very very low IQ
>>315291313
>Calling people a low IQ nigger
>doesn't realize low IQ niggers are smarter than he is
>>315292336
So does that mean I probably didn't get a refund?
>>315292575
>>315292578
>>315292607
I said A business day, not one,
You probably did if you met the criterias
>>315289217
Valve finally joined 21st century. Maybe we'll even get that HL3 in 2030 or so.
>>315291691
It can only impact the behaviour of the publishers, not the developers, and the publishers´ actions should account for the possibility of severely diminished revenue from steam since the very first day of that policy being instituted.
So yes.
The game´s development is not influenced by the chance that it will sell less, only the publisher´s decision how well to optimize, or in these cases, make fundamentally playable.
Arkahm had a huge chance, and WB squandered it.
>>315292575
>>315292578
>>315292696
They are great. My PC is quite shitty and the lack of demos means that the only way I could check if a game runs well is to pirate it. Now I can buy anything I want without fear of wasting money. Plus having the ability to refund games I don't find fun is great too, and 2 hours is a decent amount of time to decide.
>>315292317
Hard work can make you excel at anything.
>>315292696
>>315292919
I don't know why, but these pictures are abhorrent to me.
They creep me out immensely.
>>315293043
Cool anime bullshit, but here's how it works in reality: some people naturally excel in many fields, while others will never excel at anything.
>>315293208
>>315293418
Don't be an idiot. Steam allows developers to put demos up on the service, it's up to the devs/publishers whether they want to put one up or not.
>>315293418
>wat is pirating
>>315293418
Are you implying console games have demos? Because that's horse shit and you know it.
>>315293590
>Developers should be forced into doing what I want
*tips fedora*
>>315289217
I hate if you buy multiple things you have to return everything if you want everything to go back to your credit card.
like I bought 3 games and played a single one of those games for over 5 hours and wanted to return the other two for money back to my credit card and they wont let me do this because I played that single game for over an hour.
>>315294459
The world would be a better place if they were all forced to put out demos to their games.
>>315289217
What's not to like?
Just refunded ark
garbage unoptimized trash
>>315289217
Good for the consumer. That's the most important thing.
>>315294629
But then developers will just make one extremely well polished area for the demo in order to trick the people into thinking the game is worth buying
>>315294551
Stop buying in batches then.
>Fool me once
>got $100 worth of refunds right on time for summer sale
>get to buy back a couple of the games I bought at full price right on time for winter sale
Approved/10 before they tightnened up on the 2 hours/2 weeks rule.
>>315294987
This. Developers are not above tricking consumers in every way possible out of their money.
How can I get a refund for some shit games that I bought back in 2013, these games don't have more than 1 hour played.
I don't want them, fuck off Valve.
>>315294987
As opposed to creating well polished videos or selling the games exclusively on hype? The worst case scenario is that they won't help the consumer much. Also companies releasing demos of their games was the standard for well over a decade and this was never an issue. Don't create imaginary problems where there are none.
>>315289217
If you are going to be like a nigger and ask for refunds, you might as well just pirate shit
I like them for the obvious reason that I'm a customer, so there's that. I think it's beneficial for steam and indie devs too, I've made a lot more risky/impulse buying decisions lately because the refund system is sort of a safety net for bad purchases.
>>315295317
I always pirated games before deciding if I want to buy a game.
At least Steam is offering me a legal way to do that now.
>>315295315
and EA, Activision, and Ubisoft didn't make 80% of the games back then nor did they own so much of the market
>>315291313
You can get a refund back to your card retard-kun.
>>315295778
>didn't make 80% of the games back then
As opposed to now where they do make 80% of the games? Are you fucking insane?
It'd be real nice if they sent the payment back to your Credit/Debit Card, but I doubt they'll ever bother with that so it's better than nothing.
As far as just having the ability to refund, it's incredibly nice. There's too many shitbag indie devs that end up abandoning their games before they're done.
>>315297137
You are dumb and a retard just FYI senpai.
>>315289217
Literally the only people who oppose Steam refunds are console users and buttmad indie devs.
Worth it just to watch indie devs cry.
>>315297259
What's wrong, is the customer first policy too toxic for you?
>>315299445
What's wrong is that they DO send the payment back to your debit/credit card you dumb stupid retard faggot.
>>315299515
Alright anon you win this round, I'm a retard.
A very positive change.
With the increase of shovelware on steam and companies like WB pulling crap like sub-standard PC ports (Arkham Knight, Mortal Kombat X, etc), it is a welcome addition. That isn't even speaking of all the games that are borked thanks to shit like GFWL being defunct and some titles not having proper patching to remove it (GTAIV is a prime example). That, or games that just have major issues or do not work the way they should.
Indie developers are going to whine and complain, and while I do see some people abusing it I think it will help weed out a lot of crap. If you are going to release something to a marketplace like Steam, it NEEDS to work at launch and not have major bugs or frame rate drops (That and just be decent quality, I don't fault anyone for refunding something they dislike). Personally? I think the return window should be 4-5 hours played, not 2.
>>315289217
It put their store at the same level as retailers, where refunds after trying a product and disliking it are the norm.
Only people against it are shitposters and certain devs that now can't make money unless they deliver something worth buying. Just like everywhere else.
>>315289217
Yet another reason why PC gaming is superior.
It's a good thing, and fair. Two hours is long enough to decide if a game fundamentally isn't good enough to keep playing.
The only people who stand to lose out are Steam themselves and trash developers.
>>315290401
>i loved the hack indie devs meltdown on twitter the day it was announced
It was fucking three people that no one has ever heard of.
>>315295179
Your'e far FAR too past the point of being able to get a refund, timewise, even if you barely touched the games, sorry.
However, if you *really* want those games removed from your steam game list, its actually possible to contact their customer service and request those games be permanently removed from your account (without a refund).
>>315289217
It's the sole reason WB had to remove Arkham Knight from the Store months ago. Developers and publishers will have a harder time releasing broken and unfinished crap from now on.
An absolute win for consumers and something that should have been introduced back in fucking 2004, when the store opened.
Watch Ubisoft drop Steam in favor of Uplay exclusivity starting next year once they see the amount of people refunding the newest AssCreed later this month for being a broken piece of shit.
>>315292031
Eh, haven't heard that Beginners Guide dev bitching about it.
Pretty sure when people buy one of those artsy walking simulators, it's because they like artsy walking simulators and are unlikely to refund it because they knew what they were buying.
>>315300592
The return period does have to consider that some games (indie in particular) just aren't very long. 4-5 hours would make games like The Stanley Parable and Braid effectively free.
>>315289217
Absolutely necessary for Steam consumers.
With their massively low standards for Greenlight, refunds allow consumers not to feel burned by Steam and get their money back from shitty games.
I understand Indie developers complaints, but come on. Your game needs more than two hours of satisfying game play as standard really. If your game is only 30 minutes long then its more like a tech demo.
>>315300592
>>315297453
Which indies that anyone has ever heard of complained about it? Seriously? Who?
>>315289217
A very clever business move on multiple fronts.
First the option for refunds are great for the consumer and generate goodwill among them.
Second, this lets them have an excuse for the increasing amount of horrible shovelware being released via the greenlight floodgates. "Just get a refund if its so shit" they would say
Third, it somewhat discourages their customers from buying discounted steam codes from third party websites like GMG and Nuuvem (since those are not refundable). "Is it really worth saving $5 on a game if you can't refund it if it turns out to be shit?"
>>315301852
Some random bint whose game didn't even cost money to buy.
>>315302009
So in other words, this is a really fucking stupid meme.
>>315301852
I remember seeing a girl complaining about her "30 seconds long vignette" begin affected by this.
>>315302092
>that anyone has ever heard of
>there was this one girl who's name I can't remember
>>315289217
Great. I think 2 hours is too low, but valve has to appease all the shit indie devs that make walking simulators
>>315302008
All very good points.
I don't think they had a choice though, the EU was gonna step in as a understand it. It was a fairly ridiculous state of affairs
>>315302179
Here, 5 seconds google images search
>>315301852
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/indie-developers-report-steam-refund-abuse-from-pc-gamers-show-graphs-to-back-their-claims/
A number of shitty indie devs kicked up a fuss because 99% of their customers started asking for refunds once the new policy came in, so they couldn't make money anymore. Not many of them realized the core problem was actually "99% of my customers are unhappy with my game, but just couldn't do anything about it til now".
It's worth noting that these are the developers which churn out the masses of shitty shovelware games which clog the marketplace's lower depths. These are games practically nobody has ever heard of.
>>315302363
Who the fuck is that?
I asked for people of even the remotest consequence. Who the fuck is she?
>>315302363
but that's not a girl
>>315302298
Yes.Right after posting I realized I forgot that, glad someone pointed it out.
Basically, Steam did it because it was good for them moreso than because it was good for us. But hey, we reasonably benefit, so whatever.
>>315302389
They are basing this on one title that no one has even heard of that isn't even a walking sim.
>>315302542
Uh her name is Nina Freeman and she has long hair, PRETTY sure I can spot a girl that way
>>315302460
Indies people "have heard of" as you put it in general make games worth owning, so people don't refund their shit. They have no reason to complain.
Devs that complain about refunds are those that make shit games nobody would want to keep on their accounts after giving them a try.
Something that should have been implemented the day Steam launched.
>>315292135
I'm assuming he bought the game, downloaded it, compressed it to a .rar file on a USB drive, refunded the game and uncompressed the .rar.
Voila, free games.
>>315302363
How the fuck is a 30 second game possible? What could you possibly do in that time?
>>315302460
Producer of a creepy ass indie game where you play "the girl who ruins every MMO guild".
You hook up with a creepy edgelord guildmaster before he posts your snapchat nudes and says he doesn't love you. That is the entire game in a nutshell.
Game time is 1 hour maximum even if you decided to wank to her shit nudes during the gameplay. She is butthurt about refunds.
>>315302671
Welcome to 4chan. Enjoy your stay.
>>315302671
It's probably a tranny. We're talking "indie" devs that make "art" after all.
>>315302775
99% of Steam games need the client open and will not run if the game is not in your account. You'd still need a cracked exe.
Buying, copying the game elsewhere then refunding is stupid, inconvenient and not guaranteed to work. That's why nobody does it when you can just torrent the whole thing.
>>315291354
senpai.
if your game sucks im gonna return it
>>315302720
>Indies people "have heard of" as you put it in general make games worth owning, so people don't refund their shit
This doesn't even involve the relatively famous walking sim people though. Fullbright aren't bitching. The Chinese Room aren't bitching. Those Stanley Parable guys aren't bitching. Hell, one of them released a walking sim this year that by all accounts has sold really well.
My issue with this "lel indies losing their minds" meme is that it consists of one (apparently) vaguely famous girl and a tonne of people literally no one has ever heard of. You faggots spam this so much you'd think Phil Fish had come back specifically to bitch the policy out.
>>315302853
You have to burn the rope
>>315301852
I got into an argument with an indie over this very topic.
I thought letting steam admins/mods verify the length of the game and adding a warning/notice about the length of the game on it's steam page would be reasonable.
the indie dev wanted full control over the refund policy.
>>315303093
Kek, of course they wouldn't want that.
A "This game can be finished in less time that it takes you to read its description in the Store" warning would be a massive sales deterrent.
>>315303093
That nigga is dumb then but given that we have no idea who he or she is, I'm gunna have to chalk them up as "someone no one has ever heard of."
>>315289217
I don't give a shit since I just pirate my games if I'm even slightly unsure if I want to buy them.
I've never been able to sell games anyways(not even physical ones) so I just don't care either way.
I got my money back after Overshill went Overshill. I'm fine with it.
It's a good thing. Straight-up pirating games is easier and quicker.
waiting on pending steam wallet money is bullshit
Not a bad deal. I returned Sonic Lost World last night. Not because the game wouldn't run, but because about two hours in they introduced bullshit mechanics. Let's make Sonic a snowball, and make him skate! Now let's bounce on clouds! Wasn't that fun? Now use this color power to bounce along with the music!
Anything that helps to blow the fuck out of developers that think they can release garbage and rake in cash I'm in favor of.
Steam refunds are literally a non-issue if your game is good. You'll get some refunds from people who don't like the game or say that it isn't for them, but if your game is good those people will be a vast minority.
The only legitimate negative concern about steam refunds are the fact that indie devs could possibly be hurt by it.
However, even this argument wears thin:
>It's easier to pirate the game than buy it, play it, and refund it
>steam gives their product way more exposure than it would have otherwise had so they're probably still making more money
>if they care more about their bottom line than customer satisfaction, than they deserve what they get as it probably is a shitty product
>>315289217
toxic consumer-first ideology
>>315304092
B-but I want to get rich quick! Just like AAA developers! I hate video games, I want money!
>>315304581
>Said no one ever.
>>315304284
>>315304709
Anita Sarkeesian
>>315301257
muh sensationalism, anon
>posters on /v/ actually think that they're better than the likes of Kotaku and Polygon while routinely posting horseshit like that
keks for days
if people are happy with the product they wouldnt refund
>>315289217
There is literally no fucking reason not to like it. None. Unless you're a developer blatantly trying to sell a broken and shitty game and don't want consumers to have protection from you.l
>>315304284
>>315305165
>toxic consumer-first ideology
I dont have a reaction image that could properly convey what i'm feeling.
Its a mixture of disgust, hatred, amusement andloss
>>315302363
>thinking that you should be able to get away with selling a game that's 30 fucking seconds long for any price, under any circumstances
Wow
>>315306091
Well, if it makes you feel any better, no one knows who this guy is.
>>315305165
>toxic consumer first ideology
What the actual fuck
>>315305938
>blatantly trying to sell a broken and shitty game
[insert Tumblr namecalling-insults gamergate here]
shame they didnt have refund when WarZ relesed, loved the /v/ shitstorm
>/v/ suddenly likes refunds
you can pretend you always liked them but you know who you are amerifats
>>315289408
Just pirate it for fucks sake. It's not like you're gonna get any additional steam features like XP or Trading Cards by buying it.
>>315306091
>>315305165
>Followers: 859
You're really wheeling out the big guns.
>>315306521
>Trading Cards
That reminds me, it was funny listening to certain people whine about the fact you now need to play a game for over 2 hours before cards start dropping.
>>315306707
>But muh 13c
>>315289217
I think it's nothing but a good thing. It was also beautifully timed around the release of two busted ass PC ports (MKX and Arkham Knight) Both of which gave a perfect example of exactly how good of an idea it was.
>>315305804
Kerbal Space Program is eventually going to be the last game people are legally allowed to play once SJWs have been offended by everything else.
>>315306521
Undertale does having Trading Cards, m8
>>315306892
>SJWs
I miss the filter already.
>>315306964
Dude, have you still not realized that SJWs are the bad guys?
They're so caught up in their political correctness they're verging on Hitler-levels of authoritarian bullshit.
>>315289217
It's a good start.
In yurop, or at least my country, we have laws that dictate a consumer has a 2-week cooldown period after making an online purchase, in which he may return the product without reason.
I think it should hold for digital goods as well, though I understand that's can be very complicated. Not my problem though.
>>315306892
>SJWs
That's SPOOKY SCARY SKELETONS to you, fagboy.
>>315306091
Here you go senpai.
>>315306892
When will those shitlords decide to maybe be inclusive for once and offer some trans* kerbal representation? I swear to science if they don't give the all trans* kerbals the badass trait I'm going to trigger all over my keyboard.
>>315306519
Selling a "pre-owned" digital copy of GTA V on my account v. refunding some shitty indie game that I didn't even play for half an hour is fucking apples and banaynays.
>>315289217
It's just plain old common sense that the old satan USA lacks
>>315302775
why not just DL it?
>>315307079
Shit, sorry, starting a hashtag now.
>>315307079
Stop. Everybody knows that they're goofy, oversensitive, censorship happy pricks. They're not, however, an all encompassing boogeyman out to destroy everything you love. Because it's not like they have any actual power or influence over anything outside of their bubble.
Get a fucking grip.
>>315306707
don't you mean idle for 2hours?
>>315289217
I like the implementation and it's a good idea. I just wish Steam was more lenient on their policy. I haven't been able to get a successful refund on a game that's either over 2 weeks old in my library or I have more than 2 hours on it.
Sucks because there are games in my library that I haven't touched a single time, or I literally can't play them at all whatsoever.
>>315307250
that last part sounds lewd
>>315307501
Spotted the kek
>>315306198
It's a free game.
When you have zero quality control, something like this is pretty much necessary.
Can I refund a game I bought a year ago but only played for 30 minutes? Or does it require both under two hours and within two weeks?
>>315307815
Oh. Then why is she worried about refunds affecting her?
>>315293208
it's because Tom Cruise is soulless human robot and basicly died years ago
>>315307915
Just give it a try.
>>315306809
Some weeb cards are kinda valuable, if you get lucky with the rare drops some games pay themselves
>>315289217
It's nice to have, but I have yet to use it.
>>315307932
She just released a £5 game that lasts about 2 hours.
>>315307501
Hahaha.
>>315307250
Trans Kerbals were put in at release, anon.
>>315307250
What gender even are those things?
>>315307501
Dude, Anita Sarkeesian was at the fucking United Nations.
SJW pandering is literally everywhere.
>>315308382
Yeah, and Leonardo DiCaprio spoke at their summit on climate change.
Who gives a fuck?
>>315308382
>United Nations
>Relevant in any way, shape or form
>>315307501
>Most universities, and virtually all sexual assault "tribunals" on campus.
>the entire implementation of Title IX in the US in the past decade.
>basically the entire NBC network.
>Multiple congresspersons, particularly a congresswoman who's practically on a first name basis with Sarkesian and Quinn.
>the Prime Minister of Canada
>pretty much anything West or North of Poland in the Eurozone
>anything in the UN pertaining to "cyber crime"
>Wikipedia - the (unfortunately) go to source for most people for any quick research, including most news agencies.
>the Silicon Valley in general
>"it's not like they have any actual power or influence over anything outside their bubble"
It's a pretty fucking big bubble, m8.
I love it, and I wish people couldn't abuse it, but that's an unrealistic wish
>>315308361
Kerbals are genderless. The "female" ones they shoehorned in at the last minute for the 1.0 update have to be trans.
>>315308674
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>315308674
>I don't sound like a crazy person.
>>315308361
Manlet
>someone mentions SJW's once
>tinfoil hat patrol out in full force
>there goes the thread
Every single time.
>>315289217
>buy games
>play for an hour or an hour and a half
>move/copy files
>refund game
>download crack only
>>315302976you can just remove the steamapi file and it'll work perfectly fine.
>>315309454
Why not skip the middle man and just torrent it in the first place?
>>315309762
I don't know, I was just memeing
>>315307932
It's about future short-form games.
>>315307209
>>315306576
thanks senpaitachi
that comes close enough
Refunds should have implemented from word go. And I think they should just have set-in-stone conditions and automate the process. Having each individual claim analyzed by a person makes things inconsistent as fuck. I've seen people getting $60 games refunded when their playtime is way over the "maximum" but I tried to refund a $6 I genuinely didn't like, had less than 2 hours play time, but I bought it long before refunds were a thing so it still got rejected and now it will rot in my library forever.
>>315289217
I love it, used for the first time to refund Isaac pack that was on sale. Game was shit
>>315309942
Short form games can be fine. Just either don't charge for them (and if you do make it $1 at the most) or don't charge for them at all.
I'd pay $1 for a decent 1 hour game. But I wouldn't pay anything for a game that's 30 seconds long or a few minutes long. That's crazy.
Good for a lot of people who use it legitimately, but as we've seen there's also going to be abuse. It's like social services for the government; you can't keep out all the bad eggs who find cracks in the system, but in general its a positive change.
Bought an expansion for a game and didn't like it so I tried to get a refund. They denied me twice because my hours were in the game were over 2. Which was fucking bullshit because when I bought the expansion it automatically used the game time I had already racked up in the base game.
They still won't refund it despite my weekly attempts.
>>315308814
Go ahead and search "campus rape tribunal" and see what procedures come up. It certainly doesn't correlate with due process.
If you have ever been to college in the past few years, you probably took some "Title IX training and how it redefines the notions of consent and sexual assault, and how its considered more feasible that a man would be raped by another man than ever by the "meek" and unprivileged sex that is woman.
Watch any NBC affiliated news network for like fucking five minutes.
Search the terms "Sarkesian Quinn Congresswoman" and maybe even include "Gamergate"
Search "Prime Minister of Canada Gamergate"
Crawl out of that rock you've been living under in the past decade in regards to Eurokek politics. The Syrian Refugee crisis. The "asian" (paki) rape gangs and how they were handled. Sweden, in it's entirety.
Again, search anything "United Nations" and either "GamerGate" "Cybercrime" and/or "Online Harassment"
I shouldn't even have to entertain explaining Wikipedia, but try looking for an old 2010 archive of the Wikipedia entry of "Cultural Marxism" and then try to search that term on current Wikipedia.
Google and the Silicon Valley would be an essay of shit to regurgitate to you that a cursory search would also reveal.
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>>315309113
>I don't have anything to refute this, better regurgitate accusations like some SRS goon
>>>/reddit/
>>315310320
First sentence bro. Yeah to be honest it sucks they can't separate it, but we've all had this information for months made public to us.
>>315291529
>mfw getting a full refund on the sesaon pass edition after playing it for 90 hours
>mfw buying the GOTY edition a year from now for $5
>>315310508
Please tell me this is a pasta.
>>315310508
ebin
>>315310508
Go outside.
>>315310508
>He supports Gamergate
Literately accessory to murder, senpai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgE137c17ro
>See a game I played an early alpha of 3 years ago
>Take the plunge because I have a little extra money in my bank account
>It's still in early access but I figure they could have made some progress in 3 years time
>It's very nearly the same game
>Play for a hour or two
>Spend the rest of the time alt-tabbed on the wiki trying to figure out what's new
>Check the forums
>Features they've promised years ago are still not implemented
>Rack up 5 hours of game time just trying to figure out why the game is in such a poor state
>Ask for a refund, choose "other reason" and explain my situation in paragraph or so
>Automated response. "Games with more than 2 hours of play time are not eligible."
Welp. Also, guess the game.
>>315289217
good thing
what sort of retarded stupid faggot would be against it
>>315289217
Best thing Gaben has done after hl.
>>315310508
>he actually took the time and effort to type that out
>to probe a point on a shitty anonymous image board of all place
Go get yourself banned for 3 days and play some vidya anon
>>315311283
Chivalry?
>>315311506
>>315311283
I'm also gonna say Chivalry. I wasted 15 bucks on it and it never loaded, now it's too late to refund it.
>>315310893
>>315311018
>>315311141
It proves the claim.
I'm sorry reality is not like being a campus liberal where the entire argument and evidence in support of it can fit in a fucking tweet.
What could be called "SJWs" do not exist only on tumblr. They do have influence in the real world in a way that impacts the lives of real people.
>>315311141
That network already redacted that report. That steam ID was some random troll and that person they interviewed never knew the man.
>>315311376
>SJW's DOESN'T REAL
>counter-claim
>WHERES THE PROOF
>sources
>LOL WHO CARES
Is this the infamous neo-/v/ I've heard so much about? It's like I'm really on NeoGaf.
Couldn't a company just either make it so that the first two hours are really enjoyable ( so it uses up the refund time) or make the game progress at a slower pace so you'd need to put a few hours in to get somewhere?
>>315311506
>>315311610
Nope. Not Chilvalry.
The game I'm talking about is still in Early Access.
>>315311802
>>315311802
>SJW's DOESN'T REAL
>counter-claim
>WHERES THE PROOF
>sources
>LOL WHO CARES
M8 I'm not even the guy you were talking to, I was just pointing out you sound like some colossal faggot who needs to stop bursting an artery at the first mention of SJW and should probably go play some video games.
Its okay. I think a lot of people abuse it but I'm glad its there and its not a whole lot different from returning games to a store in some ways. Its useful as it encourages people to try new things out since they now have less to lose (you can just get a refund if you don't like it, and 2 hours should be a good amount of time to determine if you like a game or not). Its also helpful for people who make mistakes on purchases thinking they'll like something, or maybe its good for people who make purchases and then find that a game doesn't run properly, either because of their hardware or because of shitty optimization/a shitty port, etc.
The only game I've ever refunded is LISA, and I still kind of want to play it despite doing that. The game was just too depressing for me and I wanted to get a refund so I could get a better game for the same price. too bad I didn't get my refund until after the Halloween sale ended.
>>315289408
>stealing games
>stealing indie games
Should have been an option from the start.
>>315312219
Nice meme, but it doesn't disprove anything I claimed.
>>315312265
I'm not the one who ended up #triggering multiple ledditors to rush to accusations of insanity for posting facts.
Don't give a shit about SJWs, thats fine. But they do have influence, and only memes and epithets exists to disprove that.
>>315289217
>Buy arkham knight
>Cool game, experienced NONE of the graphic or freezing problems everyone else seems to have.
>played the whole story did all the story missions, inc the dlc. 100%
>MFW wb is offering refund for the faggots who couldn't get it to run smooth.
>MFW i submitted a refund because i`ve played it all and not likely gonna play it again.
>MFW my refund is accepted and i receive the all of my shekels back to my account for a game i completed and had fun playing.
>>315313349
>Pirate a game
>same thing happens
wow
>>315313267
Friend, the reason people are just posting memes at you is because they got bored of these arguments about a year ago.
You are in a thread about steam refunds. A thread about a fairly recently integrated policy by a popular game distributor. People literally just want to talk about that. They have no interest in your unrelated shit. Take it somewhere else.
>>315291931
You should have known from the gameplay m8, but at least Square Enix won't get your money for that shit game.
Would be perfect if that 2 weeks rule was gone.
>>315293418
Not even Consoles have fucking demos anymore, its seriously the biggest reason I pirate. Fuck this new mentality where games are sold on prerendered trailers and paid reviews.
Game dev here. I love refunds. People can pirate the game anyhow. Those who are determined to get shit for free will do so. What Valve has done is save me the effort of creating a demo. The pre-refund period is essentially a demo. As a bonus a bunch of dumbasses trying to abuse the system accidentally go over time. Free money.
>>315313349
>>315313602
Totally fine with that. Steam holds your money for a week for that matter, so it's fair game.
>>315314401
Also this is probably going to make F2P even more popular which is fine with me since that's where the money is.
It's amazing. I'm literally spending half as much on steam.
Didnt even buy shit for a year but I love that they implemented this.
Indie shit and people falling for the meme buy are over now
