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The Top RTS game.
The Top MMRPG game
The Top Diablo/Hack n Slash game
The soon to be Top MOBA game
The soon to be Top shooter game
Whatever genre they set their sights on, they innovate it, capture it, and dominate it. Get ready for Heroes of the Storm to overtake LoL and Dota 2, and Overwatch to take over TF2 and any other shooter around. All Blizz needs to do now is make a fighting game(this will be easy since they'll actually innovate shit instead of just copying SF2 or VF like other companies did with the genre), and a racing game(maybe revive Rock n Roll racing? Or eve buy the rights to Twisted Metal perhaps...) and it's GG to the competition.
>The Top Diablo/Hack n Slash game
Hope you're talking about diablo 2
>Blizzard being top anything after the merger
>>286264689
>blizzard before activison merge
>blizzard after activiosn merge
Also Hots will flop and Overwatch looks like shit
Heroes of the Storm is the worst Moba i've ever played. I hate league of legends but i would rather play that than Heroes
>>286264905
They're still the king. RTSes that aren't theirs are pretty much dead or forgotten niche games, they have the one of only mmos even alive and worth playing(WoW, Final Fantasy 14, Guild Wars 2), Diablo series is the only good hack n slash, and Heroes and Overwatch will stomp the competition. The fact some of the Overwatch heroes will also be playable in Heroes of the Storm is gonna be a huge dent in Riot's side and the fact you get to play the real warcraft 3 heroes and not bad bootlegs will fuck over Dota 2.
Oh also forgot, top online card game if you count Hearthstone.
>>286265040
No it won't, and no it doesn't. Take your bad taste elsewhere.
>>286265149
Heroes has potential, LoL is tapped out now. People are getting tired of having to relearn the game each season when a new set of champs becomes broken/useless.
>All Blizz needs to do now is make a fighting game
tbh, I would play the shit out of a fighting game made by Blizzard if it was like HotS and was all characters from other games
>>286264689
>The soon to be Top MOBA game
>The soon to be Top shooter game
What did I miss now?
Did they announce something new for Dota 3 and Team Fortress 3?
>>286265247
Just look at twitch numbers. Even Destiny is more alive.
>>286265286
Heroes of the Storm.
Overwatch.
Dota 2 is barely relevant anymore and TF2 is pretty much a joke. Even CoD players laugh at that shit.
>>286264689
What about cardgame?
But WoD us the worst expansion to an MMO in recent memory and Blizzard is getting away with charging you $10 more than past expansions so you can AFK in your Garrison.
Explain how Blizzard is good at anything when they don't release new content for 14 MONTHS.
>>286265425
>Dota 2 is barely relevant anymore
Let see how much money TI 5 will bring. Prolly around 12-14 millions. Did any Blizzard e-sport title produce so much money? I think not.
>>286264689
>The Top RTS game.
Not for many years.
>The Top MMRPG game
Killed the MMO genre
>The Top Diablo/Hack n Slash game
F2P games are outperforming them
>The soon to be Top MOBA game
Not even Actiblizz's brass believes this
>The soon to be Top shooter game
Social Justice the Game
>6v6 paid game overtaking a free much larger game with an established fan base
0/10
>top moba
>top kek
>>286265760
>Not for many years.
What's coming?
>Whatever genre they set their sights on, they innovate it, capture it, and dominate it.
>>286265760
>Not for many years.
SC2 is still the best RTS by far
>Killed the MMO genre
how many billions of people play wow
>F2P games are outperforming them
[citation needed]
>Not even Actiblizz's brass believes this
it's actually fun
>Social Justice the Game
it's just /v/ who cares about that shit
blizz makes characters they like and always have
Only Warcraft 4 can make Blizzard good again.
>>286264689
Torchlight series is better than Diablo and Hearthstone is a festering ball of shit.
But then you didn't say "Top Card Game"
>>286264689
>Blizzard
>Innovation
They innovated with Diablo 1 and that's it. Fuck you.
baited softly
>>286266006
>Warcraft 4
pls no enough rape
None of this has been true about blizzard for more than a decade.
Anyone with any talent or ability jumped ship long ago.
>>286265968
>lots of people are too addicted and braineashed to WoW to realize Blizzard is scamming them and delivering absolutely nothing to justify $15 a month
>this means WoW is a good game
>>286264689
>implying Blizzard even made the best diablo game
>>286266019
this has to be a shill thread since its obvious blizzard produces some of the most casual shit to ever exist
look at multiple building select deadcraft 2. diablo 3 shit RNG stone memers of the storm
>>286265968
>how many billions of people play wow
>implying this indicates quality
>>286266017
Hearthstone is for retards which is why it's so popular.
>The Top RTS game.
Debatable, Broodwar was great, but AoM is around the same level.
>The Top MMRPG game
Vanilla was great, but i didn't play after that. So i don't know how it stands against other later titles.
>The Top Diablo/Hack n Slash game
Diablo 1/2 is the best in the genre. Diablo 3 was mediocre and waterd down compared to the second game.
>The soon to be Top MOBA game
I enjoyed dota back in the day, Dota 2 and LoL i don't really know about.
>The soon to be Top shooter game
I don't think so. Quake 3, Ut99, 1,6.
>>286266175
Bunch of casual faggots that don't have to work for anything in the game, just show up on time and collect loot.
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>>286264905
Riot Internet Defense Force out in spades today
>>286264689
Go fuck yoursel you worthless millenial faggot piece of shit, Blizz has ruined nearly every classic ip they've acquired. They're no better than EA.
Fuck you for even posting this shit.
Yea I'm mad.
>>286264689
>ActiBlizzion
>Top in any field anymore
Oh wow, hahahaha
>>286266182
this and because it is casual as fuck same level as farmville.
Blizzdrones are the worst. I hate them even more than the console kids.
>>286265968
>how many billions of people play wow
>billions
shit, Chinese accounts must be out of control!
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>>286266273
>you don't like X, so it means you like Y
Are you stupid?
>>286266006
At this rate it will be a flash game on facebook. Rather not see Blizzard make it.
>>286266389
>50% of active accounts are bots
I had really hoped D3 had drained away blizzard's fanbase, but it seems it just made them more fanatical.
>>286265913
Cant be on top when theres no competition. rts is ded
>>286266273
>hating casual games means i defend casual games
wow nice logic
Overwatch looks all right
Heroes is complete ass
Starcraft 2 is tolerable if you ignore the story
Diablo is complete ass
WOW is good if you never played it before.
>The soon to be Top MOBA game
Yeah sure. Just look at what they announced at PAX couple days ago. So fair and competitive. I love modern Blizzard like never before.
>>286266273
>say WoW is shit
>"YOU MUST LIKE LEAGUE OF LEGENDS YOU FUCKIN LOSER!!!"
What?
>>286265492
>But WoD us the worst expansion to an MMO in recent memory
No, it's the best so far, I should know I've been trying it out. It's got flaws, but isn't half as bad as the haters have been claiming.
>>286266595
Wait you can buy levels now?
Where does it stop?
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>>286266609
holy shit you dumb fucks are easy to trick
>>286266017
Torchlight is fucking cartoony looking trash.
>>286266595
Holy shit, there literally is no coming back from this. Blizzard has fully crossed over to the Dark Side.
>>286266505
If they're fanatics, that means they can be beaten. As a fanaticism is overcompensation in response to legitimate and unshakable doubt.
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>>286266332
Why, because they have fun while you bitch nonstop about everything being shit?
>>286266595
It's a placeholder GUI. Stimpack doesn't work on ranking.
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>>286266823
>trying to cover up getting baited so hard
keep digging morons
>>286266595
No different from the xp and ip bonuses you can buy in League of Legends. Nice try shill.
>>286266647
>I've been trying it out
Get to 100 first, never judge an expansion on its temporary leveling experience
Blizzard are the masters at finding what's popular, rounding off the edges and making it accessible for everyone. Take that as you will.
>>286266840
>ranked points
>hurr stimpack dosen't work on ranking
You need to try harder shill.
>>286264689
Who are you kidding with this post?
Yourself you enormous faggot?
Fuck why am I replying to bait?
1/10
>>286266182
The only strategy of Hearthstone is to not play until your opponent shoots his wad then you defend and stomp. There is no way to recover a win when you are at 1 card while you opponent still has 6-7.
Can't wait to play as this boss bitch. Nice to see a company not afraid to make female warriors that actually look like warriors. Kerrigan and Sonya have muscular and strong bodies in Heroes also. Not like the twig girls in League and Dota 2.
>>286266971
Thats just a man with tits
>>286266273
I don't even know who Riot is but Hearthstone is still shit.
>>286266858
>hating a terrible monetization model means you must like this other terrible monetization model
>>286264689
>Blizzard "fighting game"
I can really imagine them looking at Brawl/Sm4sh thinking "how can we casualize this even more?"
>>286266884
I gotta say so far the questing and story are real good. Time travel shit is always stupid, but the references to old lore and the different take on some characters is pretty cool. Also Yrel is waifu of the year.
>>286266934
Who are YOU kidding with your post? Deny it all you want, Blizzard are the kings of the gaming industry. They fuck up and do dumb shit, but when they get shit right, they do a bangup job.
>>286266971
The pink hair is the only thing I hate about her. She's muscular and built like a truck not some hamplanet from tumblr.
>>286264689
I have never seen a bad game from Blizzard.
>>286266909
You can't be this retarded, can you?
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>>286266731
>hurr le epik troll :DDDDDD
stimpacks are for hero/account exp OUTSIDE the actual game for perks such as skins, for those who might've been tricked.
>>286267104
Like I said, this was what everyone thought of WoD in the first day. Then they hit the new level cap faster than previous expansions and were greeted with nothing but Garrison bullshit and raiding.
>>286267021
No, it's a woman with muscles.
>>286267061
Just saying Riot uses the same model and no one has a problem with it, the game is popular as fuck. It won't hurt Blizzard to use it.
>>286267067
A better way to look at it is the game will actually be fun, have cool characters, and will be something really different and accessible to people. Or you can stick with Japanese companies who will just copy SF2 until they lose their budgets to churn these samey fighting games out. Honestly, can anyone even tell the fucking difference between shit like Tekken and DOA anymore? Like one of them has big titties and the other has what, demons or some shit? They play about the same so who cares.
>>286267067
Fun fact: heroes of the storm started as a fighting game.
>>286266893
This is true. Also Blizzard is good at having a lot of money that they can use to get high production quality.
Hopefully overwatch will be ok. It might be some casual fun.
>>286267196
calm down shill your game is shit now go back where you came from.
>>286264689
I wish Heroes of the Storm had gone with a WASD/aim with mouse system. They could've dropped the fat bulky character design, improved gameplay and further distanced it from the MOBA scene and back toward the older team v team games it has more in common with.
Eh, whatever.
>>286267260
Garrison stuff is kinda cool so far, I'm actually enjoying it at the moment.
>>286267301
>mfw it would have stayed that way if the fighting genre wasn't dead and not dominated by blacks, fat white people, and brown asians
>people bashing Activision thinking they were the ones that sank Blizzard
You're the reason why everything is shit now.
>>286267301
Can a fighting game even use a camera like that? Aren't they supposed to be side scrolling?
>>286264689
besides starcraft blizzard makes one of the most stupid no skill requires games made for brainless retards
just look at wow I still cant understand why people play that piece of shit
heroes and overwatch shows that they are loosing it
I would be ashamed to say I play blizzard games
blizzard drones really are fucking idiots
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>>286267196
http://eu.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/18184937/pax-east-panel-recap-06-03-2015
Bad try shills. This is a picture from their official post, it wasn't shopped or something. Stimpacks WILL affect rank points.
>>286267429
Catch 22. The fighting game genre is already too casual for a new entry to be casulized further and remain a fighting game.
>>286267397
sure you do shill can you get me a overwatch beta key?
They never innovated with WoW. They just took all the years of work and testing that everquest did, and took the BEST shit from everquest and shoved it in WoW. It was literally perfect at launch. IT was 10/10 fucking greatness. But that's no longer the case. They're simply trodding along. It's still a totally playable game, but it's nowhere near top except in playerbase.
I have no doubts about the new protoss expack for SC2, hearthstone, and hots being top of their field though.
>>286267516
Literally retarded
HotS and Overwatch will be cash shop driven garbage.
WoW will be F2P cash shop by next xpac
D3 will bring back the AH and go F2P
SC2 will just be forgotten.
Where will you be when Blizzard is Kill?
>>286267516
b-b-blizzard s-sempai wouldn't d-d-d-do that t-to us
>>286267516
lol
>>286267504
>just look at wow I still cant understand why people play that piece of shit
It's FUN. This may be a surprise to you, but back in the old days, people played videogames for fun. Crazy huh? That was before your generation where you became obsessed with "esports" and proving how hardcore you are. It's also why fighting games suck ass now, it's the same rehashed shit with nothing new because a bunch of faggots decided the genre should be about esports shit and not fun.
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>>286267734
>community manager
kek
>>286267631
>>286267734
Yeah good goy, trust our kind community manager who is certainly telling you the best truth and remember to stay stimmed :^)
>>286267196
unique players is the most retarded way to measure a game player base
>>286267705
>Where will you be when Blizzard is Kill?
The day Metal Gear Solid series is a video game and not a glorified tech demo with 10 minute of actual gameplay.
>>286267768
Autists can't understand fun. I don't play anymore because I got burned out, but its perfectly understandable why others still do.
>>286267284
>can anyone even tell the fucking difference between shit like Tekken and DOA anymore?
Yes, anyone who's actually played them would easily be able to tell them apart. They play completely differently.
>>286267768
>it's the same rehashed shit with nothing new
You just described WoD perfectly.
>>286264689
You mean
TOP MARKETER
As they hire even scum like you.
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>>286267845
But he's literally saying it doesn't boost ranking points, so what the fuck are you going on about?
>>286267878
Why do plebs gobble up video games and anime with meaningless nonsense babble that "sounds smart" so easily?
>>286264689
Heroes of the Storm isn't even a MOBA, it's a Hero Brawler. They dumbed down the genre formula so much that you can't even call it an ARTS or MOBA anymore.
>>286267945
laughing because blizzard never change their mind right kid?
>>286267850
>best truth
>the truth is it doesn't boost rank
>ergo no more reason to buy boosts
>>286266971
If she didn't have pink hair I would fug the shit out of that.
>>286267945
They don't always tell you the truth.
>>286267945
Should you beleive the forum ommunity manager or the official webpage to show what's new on the game?
>>286268043
sperglord detected
>>286265286
>GabeN
>3
it's not happening
>>286268054
inc skinpacks
>>286268032
That is the best thing it has going for it.
There isn't a single person on earth playing MOBAs who isn't a complete dysfunctional autist asshole.
>the guy responsible for the first 2 left blizzard
>>286267905
Both are side scrolling
Both use the same shitty juggle system except Tekken you bounce more
Both have lame ass generic character designs.
Both latest games in the series have real lame anime waifu designs pandering to otaku dorks.
Neither innovates or does anything new or interesting with the genre(ie. more interactive environments, different ways to combo, unique kinds of defense, unique resources for characters, physics, etc etc)
Anime fighters at least do new shit, so I give them a pass, that, KI, and MKX. The rest are just the same old shit.
>>286268261
>the first one makes her blackwith pink hair
>>286265040
I only like DoTA2 and I don't like LoL. I don't like runes and items and other bullshit. I like jumping into a game, I understand the mechanics and there's a market for people like me.
Call me casual or whatever your buzzword of the day is, but there's an audience for it. I've genuinely only ever played HoTS for any length of time. I like the heroes, I like the simplicity, and I like the map variety.
>>286268190
It's a placeholder. You can't even get that many points from ranking, even assuming a 2x boost.
>>286264689
Blizzard may make well polished games, but goddamn they are so fucking dull.
Starcraft II and WoW are probably the most no-frills experiences of their genre I have ever seen.
>>286268326
I call you cancer. You are the reason why neoblizzard is so fucking shit.
>>286264689
WoW hasn't been good for almost a decade. D3 was nowhere near as good as D2. Blizzard is only capable of copying others at this point and "updating" less popular genres without doing anything new or innovative.
>>286268032
>They dumbed down the genre formula
IE they made it BETTER. No more boring last hitting, no more unoptimal troll item builds that fool people into thinking you have choices, and no more bullshit where a single player literally ruins your game and you can't do shit about it. Shared exp means even if you have a feeder, if you're good you boost your entire team including them. Unlike LoL and Dota 2 where some guy dies nonstop and directly makes an enemy carry so dangerous you can't even fight them anymore.
>>286268360
it's a place holder for what?
another ranking boost?
>>286268270
Blizzard wants the MOBA audience and their game is already more casual than League of Legends.
It's a recipe for disaster, I'd rather play with Russians in Dota than subject myself to underaged casuals and blizzdrones.
>>286266858
League is also a shit MOBA.
Any MOBA where you pay for anything other than shitty cosmetics is generally awful. .
>>286268441
>no more unoptimal troll item builds that fool people into thinking you have choices
>he thinks only carry heroes can build carry items he thinks only support heroes can build support items
kek you suck so hard m8.
>in a few more years Blizzard will only be making mobile freemium games because its the future
>>286268326
I don't like LoL and I don't like Dota so I did not even give HotS the time of day. I haven't seen anything else worth playing by Blizzard since SC2, but that's arguable anyway.
>>286268441
If you don't see the point of having a laning phase and last hitting , you shouldn't be playing MOBAs in the first place.
You literally just said that you want a hero brawler not a MOBA.
>>286268390
>WoW are probably the most no-frills experiences of their genre
That's funny because I never played another mmorpg that sent me on quests where I had to:
-sneak around enemy camps mgs style and place explosives in areas
-fly/drive vehicles and launch bombs/guns at hundreds of enemies at once
-dive to the bottom of lakes and oceans to hunt for treasure
-interact fully in scenes that would normally be generic cutscenes in any other game
Among a variety of other things. No other mmo I saw innovated questing like that, most the rest are generic fetch quests and shit like "Kill 500 of these pigs and give their penises to Mr. Chu so he can use them for his soup".
>>286268567
Yeah maybe I don't want to play games with a fucking Zed rushing a Zhonyas because "I need the active to live" or my personal favorite, an adc whose first big item in lane was an expensive armor item because "I need armor, they hit so hard, it hurts!" gimping their damage and ruining the game.
You wanna goof off and do troll shit, do that on someone else's time, not mine.
>>286268692
But anon. 95% of the quests in WoW are like that.
The rest of the ones you've described have mechanics so bad, you'd wish they were generic fetch quests.
>>286268507
Well it is Steam so you're definitely playing with russians.
>>286268680
You sound like the fighter fans who whine about smash not being a "real" fighting game because you can actively run/face away from enemies, and you don't need to do a "hadoken" input to control your character's moves.
>>286268824
>League of Legends
What a surprise
>>286268824
>playing LoL
Just stop already.
>>286268507
Nothing is worse than playing with League and Dota 2 players. Most of them are literal trash at these games, and have bad attitudes. that's the irony of it all, both games are supposed to be "hardcore esports" yet most of the fanbase sucks ass at them. Yes, I'm talking about you Dota 2 fanbois who spout "GIT GUD" as a response to anything, yet get fucking RAPED ingame like a white girl at an all black frat party.
>>286268413
I don't play WoW or Hearthstone or any other game. My enjoyment of HoTS isn't a blight on the gaming industry. The entire MoBA genre is cancerous as is.
I get that HoTS is easy to get into/casual, but it speaks volumes about a person who's getting mad at their target audience.
I was playing UO when they were dumbing down and casualizing the MMO market and putting a stranglehold on it. 'Neoblizzard' isn't a thing.
If you supported Blizzard at any stage of their company cycle you've actively contributed to this.
We could've had open-ended sandbox MMOs without linear level progression, but Blizzard tapped that market and put everyone on an IV drip-feed of increasingly easier content.
Garriott created a living and breathing world.
Blizzard created a theme park.
>>286268881
>you don't play with russin in hots
>even arena/bgs in wow are infected with russian
when even lel players complain the game is too casual and grindy for them, there is literally no chance for success.
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>>286268894
Dota 2 has some special ass fucking kids in it too, don't act cocky. The shit I seen in that game makes my fucking skin crawl. My favorite had to be when I was on a team who got OWNED by a Lion who rushed a Dagon and kept using his ult and that and killing people over and over. Their response?
"LOL this noob Lion rush Dagon, wut a retard LOL"
As he's killing them btw. He won his team the game, but who cares, he built a "noob" item lmfao
>>286264689
No wonder. World of Warcraft is the best game ever made by the human race. Literally.
>>286269026
>MoBA
Fucking what?
Since when is Online not a word you capitalize in acronyms?
>>286269048
It's because their elite skills at right clicking low health creeps and mashing q on riven doesn't translate to heroes, so it's too casual.
>>286269146
i don't get your response, you are mad because someone built something thats not usual and won?
>>286269146
wow, that lion sounds like a real noob
>>286269031
Ya know we've really gotta give Blizzard a collective Fuck You for HotS and HotS. Which game are we bitching about? Spin the wheel!
Bots in any game ruin the game. At least for casual-competitive. When you're team v teaming it isn't an issue. But it takes some of the charm away when you don't know if that baddie is a living breathing or just a pile of script text.
>>286269026
>If you supported Blizzard at any stage of their company cycle you've actively contributed to this.
Not really are you implying WC 1-3 SC 1/BW were like hots? Because that's just wrong. Blizzard companies mindset was way different before the merge.
>>286269146
Winning doesn't somehow make a dumb build a less dumb build.
It's just a dumb build that won as opposed to a dumb build that lost.
>>286267516
Shouldn't play so much ASSFAGGOTS and learn more for school.
>>286269253
No, I'm mad because my idiot team got owned by something and instead of adapting they spent the game laughing at how the enemy was a "stupid noob" and "built wrong". Mobas are the only genre I seen where someone can legit destroy someone, and the person LOSING claims the person beating them sucks or beat them wrong. It's so goddamn dumb. It also makes no sense because if you claim someone is a stupid noob yet they're beating you, wouldn't that make you even worse then as a player?
>>286269220
i don't even play lol but i can tell you played it, got butthurt about being shit and switched to an easier game.
>>286269146
>tales from the trench
>>286269376
>assfaggots
>not the greatest competetive game ever created since the creation of our planet
haha, yeah, whatever you say, kid
>>286268886
At least Smash officially labels itself as a party game.
Heroes of the Storm wants the MOBA crowd and wants to be known as a competitive esport even though they removed half of the mechanics that actually take skill and prior knowledge to use effectively. It's a casual hero brawler pretending to be a deep and rewarding MOBA/ARTS.
>>286269476
>Mobas are the only genre I seen where someone can legit destroy someone, and the person LOSING claims the person beating them sucks
You don't play a lot of online videogames do you?
>>286269026
What the is your point here?
>>286269339
And if your team loses to a dumb build that makes them extra dumb. That shit is why MOBAs are full of garbage players, all they do is copy builds from "pros" on streams and at tournies(and suck at executing them half the time), and then get owned by people who don't do that shit then try to act like the person beating them sucks. I'm sorry but if you're losing lane to a Riven building AP, you're fucking GARBAGE. I don't care how dumb that build is.
>>286269048
I found the initial complaints from the existing MOBA community pretty funny. All they saw were aspects of Their game being removed from Heroes of the Storm to make it simpler. An unwillingness or a dismissiveness to look at the unique features the game was coming up with that added back in some of that missing depth.
>>286269476
>Mobas are the only genre I seen where someone can legit destroy someone, and the person LOSING claims the person beating them sucks or beat them wrong. It's so goddamn dumb. It also makes no sense because if you claim someone is a stupid noob yet they're beating you, wouldn't that make you even worse then as a player?
You have never been to the hatemail threads right?
or played games online or against other people at all
>>286266139
but hellfire was not that good
>>286269508
Nah I got Gold last season so I'm not shit. I'm not amazing or pro, but I'm not total shit. Malzahar, Zed, Miss Fortune, Graves. Not easy to win shit like Riven.
>>286269638
You are projecting really fucking hard and I really don't give a flying fuck about what your 2k players build in their games.
Shit people exist in every genre of online videogames, shit people dumb shit and winning vs other shit people exist in every other genre as well, this really isn't something unique to MOBAs
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>>286269026
>HoTS
Fucking what?
Since when is "the" a word you capitalize in acronyms?
>>286264689
>BLIZZARD
>innovate
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHV
>>286269598
But fighter fans said the same about smash, about how the stuff it removed made it less deep. Instead the game ended up MORE deep because it removed unneccesary shit and added shit that added more depth. I mena yeah, fighting game inputs serve a purpose, but at the same time not all games need the same inputs SF2 used.
>>286266332
Agreed. I tolerate bronies and furfags better then I do blizzkidz. Every time one of these fags tries to get me to play wow my blood boils. Never touching your faggot ass olde ugly fucking garbo judiasm simulator so please hang yourself.
>>286264689
>the soon to be Top MOBA game
Nobody believes this.
>>286269202
I got used to writing HoTS so I made a typo and wrote MoBA.
>>286269335
You mean that old company mindset before they started breaking away from Games Workshop?
There was still no innovation from them. The RTS genre was strong with or without them.
If you'd have pointed out D1/2 to me I'd have a harder time arguing.
>>286269635
My point essentially is that someone can't get upset about a 'Neoblizzard' when regular Blizzard was just as bad and you saw them in a different light.
Blizzard has gone through many stages in it's like, and they like to tap several markets at once. Pot calling the kettle black. Supporting Blizzard now is no better than having supported them back then. No one is 'cancer' it is what it is.
>>286269847
Name an mmo with quests as innovative as WoW's. Not bland and boring fetch quests and "kill tons of this one enemy" quests. Final Fantasy was cool but boring due to that shit.
All hots needs to do is make a ten minute long video of x hero is a blank that does this, this and this, his ulti then they jump to the next hero, . Just a real quick primer so as someone with moba experience i can jump in with at least a vague idea of what each champ does.
As a league player i don't want practice as each champ to figure out what they do.
This doesn't replace using practice mode to learn what the hero you wanf to play does, butit would greatly help the, wtf does that guy im ip against even do?
Also go choke on a dick for no cross team chat blizzard.
>>286269867
Hots added nothing to the genre
Literally the only thing it did was make map objectives more obvious.
>>286269867
>Instead the game ended up MORE deep
you mean Melee? Even then Melee is still pretty damn casual. Brawl and Smash 4 are even more casual. In the end, the director of all Smash Bros games intended their games to be party games to be played with friends. It was never meant to be competitive.
Heroes of the Storm on the otherhand is a clusterfuck in terms of mechanical design and inner conflict with Blizzard, they don't even know if they want to make a casual game or a competitive game.
>>286269902
How the fuck does WoW simulate Judaism? There's no quests where you run over Palestinian kids with siege engines.
>>286269916
I believe this. Because if Blizz plays their cards right, they can wreck LoL and Dota 2 in one fell swoop, and I can explain how.
>>286269819
>>286269202
>sperging out over the capitalization in an acronym
yeah great job guys really gets the point across
>>286270127
>and I can explain how
Go on shillinger.
>>286270183
What point?
I wasn't making a point or a part of the discussion before that post, just pointing out that fucking up capitalization of acronyms is pretty dumb.
I still laugh everytime that Blizzard was so butthurt at Dota 2's success that they tried to sue Valve and didn't win in the end, so they got even more butthurt and made their own shitty Dota clone as a response.
>>286270127
How the fuck? They could maybe kill lol. But the dotards arent going to go from driving a race car to riding a tricycle. Maybe you could lure some of the pro teams with big moneuy,but the game isn't dee enough to satisfy dotards
>>286270018
You aren't very good at analyzing video games and mechanic structures if you believe this.
>>286264689
>No items, half the games feel exactly the same
>Maps are dogshit
>Talents are dogshit and some heroes have flat-out more choices than others (Uther for example)
>There's one talent that encourages farming creeps in an objective based game.
>The hero design is filled with gapclosers and "skill"shots that are easier to land than Dota 2/League and are less fun and impactful.
>No allchat
>Pay to unlock heroes or grind your ass off.
>Talent gating
>Everyone feels weightless, by this I mean playing a small hero like Brightwing feels the same as playing Diablo who is a hulking badass.
>Depth is almost nonexistant
>Incredibly casualized version of a casualized version of another game based on a mod from another game.
>Advertises itself off of "We're better than everyone else because we took the boring stuff from the other games!" yet its still somehow less fun than them.
>The funniest part is last hitting and laning was filled with ganking and making hard decisions to affect the outcome into midgame, but trenchshitters don't know this so its no wonder Blizzard is pandering to their retarded opinions.
>Blizzard barely cares about it
>The game is a spam fest, and the healing fountains near your lanes encourage this.
Incoming ad hominem
>>286269969
RuneScape. Is it bad in combat and controls? Beyond all reasoning. But the quests are some of the best in MMOs.
>>286269929
>There was still no innovation from them
>wc 3 had no innovation
ok we can stop now.
>>286270427
As valve continued to not give a fuck about their shitty clone they went on to try and copy TF2.
The entire thing is amusing more than anything else
>>286270497
Name a gameplay mechanic that HotS added to the genre.
>>286270536
>blizzard still reuses old icons
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>286270183
I was eating my own face at the time and couldn't resist copying the other guy's post.
I love you anon, I swear to GOD never doubt that.
>>286270427
>so one time i heard about something from this guy that said he heard from a guy that worked at valve that hots and dota are similar.
>>286270217
Ok it's real simple. Dota 2 and League occupy 2 separate spaces as far as general theme goes. Dota 2 is a more classic fantasy with a twist with heroes designed to fit that aesthetic and style(ie. Drow, Treant, QoP, Tiny, etc.), whereas League is more contemporary and "hip" also with characters that suit that style(Vi, Jinx, Ezreal, Lucian, Vayne, etc). Blizzard has an advantage here in that they can easily do both of what they do in the same game:
-Use classic Blizzard fantasy characters)WoW, Diablo)
-Use classic Blizzard sci fi characters(Starcraft)
Then the H-Bomb: since they'll also be using Overwatch characters for some of the heroes in HotS, they'll be able to have stuff to compete with the kind of champs LoL has such as Vi, Jinx, those quirky modern punky cool type things. Blizzard will destroy Dota 2 with classic characters since people would much rather play the real Illidan and not "Terrorblade the demon who went to doublehell" And as much as people like LoL designs, Overwatch has shit that will appeal to many different people(That new buff muscle punk girl, that grimdak edgy reaper guy, that cyberninja, etc).
Blizzard if they play their cards right, will be able to have classic fantasy with a twist like Dota has, sci fi, and also more modern and "cool" characters all in one game. Thus edging out the competition aesthetically.
>>286269476
My god you are fucking stupid.
>Lion rushing dagon
>losing to lion rushing dagon
>being 2k
>thinking his opinion matters
>>286268441
>no more unoptimal troll item builds that fool people into thinking you have choices
The traits manage to be just as bad or worse in some cases
>and no more bullshit where a single player literally ruins your game and you can't do shit about it
Are you shitting me? This is even more true for this game. One player not knowing what they're doing, and you've lost a fight/objective
And how the fuck can you make up for a teammate not knowing how to soak exp? You cant be in three places at once, and if they're feeding it's giving the enemies more exp.
Which ends up with not one guy who you cant fight but a whole team thats ahead
>>286270578
One level for the entire team, have you ever seen that before in a MOBA?
>>286264689
>The Top RTS game
I'll give you that, but only by default since there's nothing else.
>The Top MMRPG game
Which is dying.
>The Top Diablo/Hack n Slash game
Diablo is not a hack n slash, also pic related.
>The soon to be Top MOBA game
Pic related.
>The soon to be Top shooter game
That's not STALKER.
>>286270765
It's called ARAM mode in LoL/Arena mode in Smite.
Both teams level up equally.
>>286270765
I'm sorry but instead of having 5 levels per team having 1 level per team is not a new mechanic, its is modifying an existing mechanic
Try again
>>286270683
Do Blizzarddrones really think people play LoL or Dota for the characters? You are baiting right?
>>286270696
Why are trash ass dota fans so fucking dense and defensive? How does a fucking ranking make my point invalid, my point being that these games are full of shitters who play like ass then try to act like they're good when they're not?
Don't bring up ranks anyway, I saw the reddit posts on how shit and trashy ranked players are in Dota 2, that shit is no better than pubs.
>>286269929
>The RTS genre was strong with or without them.
>people don't remember what other RTSs there were back then
>>286265425
>Dota 2 is barely relevant anymore
as opposed to Heroes of the Storm, which is completely irrelevant
>>286270683
lol
imagine if they added a messi model, they could totally take all the football fans in the world!
>>286270798
>>The Top MMRPG game
>Which is dying.
WoW isn't dying, I think you meant to type Wildstar or Elder Scrolls Online.
>>286270857
Why didn't you stay at reddit.
>>286270857
>play in a low rank matchmaking in a popular online game
>expecting quality players
you're retarded for expecting something better.
>>286270857
Shit people do dumb things
Shit people playing against other shit people and winning does not prove anything
This really isn't that hard anon
>>286270683
I'm sorry anon but with tanks, power armor and people in medieval armor puts HotS in the same boat as LoL
>>286270536
>Pay to unlock heroes or grind your ass off.
>Talent gating
>Blizzard barely cares about it
They're actually fixing this. Once you hit 30 you unlock all talents on all heroes without the gate, and they're adding a lot more sources of income through leveling and dailies.
They do care and they're putting a lot of attention into it.
I won't touch the rest because it's subjective to what you look for in a MOBA game.
>>286270943
The whole MMO genre is dying, including WoW you retard.
>>286270683
Wait you think the difference between league and dota is the look / style of the Champions? Jesus christ this bait is amazing
>>286270854
Consider all the fanart for these characters in both games and you tell me? Why do you think Riot spent god knows how much making this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlJuwO0GDs
You think they'd blow all that money on a high quality cg music video and pay some popular Swedish metal singer to do vocals if no one cared about the characters?
>>286270840
It changes gameplay and team priorities quite a bit.
Try again
>>286270857
You're bad kid, give it up.
>My 2k games can be used to define the entirety of the genre
>Screw you losers, I'm going to play a game where the developer removed our choices and creativity so noone can be retarded!
>>286265968
>SC2 is still the best RTS by far
because RTS is a ded genre
>how many billions of people play wow
how many millions of people play literally any other MMO
>[citation needed]
Path of Exile, retard
>it's actually fun
no, it really isn't
>it's just /v/ who cares about that shit
no, it's cancer
>blizz makes characters they like and always have
yeah, but now blizzard is full of SJWs that make shit
>>286271072
it's called marketing, something LoL has to do to stay relevant since it's nothing but a cheap Dota clone at the end of the day.
Hell, they even invented their own genre name "MOBA" just so they can not call their game a "Dota-like" or "ASSFAGGOT"
>>286271104
Again
Changing a mechanic is not adding a mechanic
I claimed that HotS adds no new mechanics, taking an existing mechanic and changing it is not adding a new mechanic
It's changing an existing mechanic.
Come on anon you can do it!
>>286271013
And people LOVE LOL. Except HotS will have classic loved Blizzard characters, like Illidan, or this babe right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I70plIgmn1I
>>286271054
It's more than that obviously, but you underestimate how much influence that has. Why do you think 50% of those shitty dota vs lol threads are gameplay shit, and the other 50% are always which game has the cooler character designs?
>>286271018
>They're actually fixing this. Once you hit 30 you unlock all talents on all heroes without the gate
If you actually played the game you would know this does pretty much nothing. You can level all the heroes until you unlock their talents before hitting 30 on your account, it's only really nice for someone like me that's already at the level cap and that's only for heroes yet to be released since i'm at least lvl 5 on everyone right now.
>>286270943
Wow is dying.
It's the slowest death but it sure is dying.
>>286271207
How did a cheap clone get more popular than the original
is LoL the Motal Kombat of the genre?
>>286271115
Why would I want to be good in Dota, so I can beat some peruvian or some hipster cursing into his mic? I got a question, how come anytime someone uses their mic in Dota 2, it's ALWAYS some guy with some real fruity as shit sounding voice?
>>286271251
I do not get the argument you are making
Dota is going for a specific style of fantasy only shit
LoL is going for a mish mash of everything
HotS has tanks power armor diablo and knights in armor, its is clearly on the exact same boat as LoL.
It can edge out LoL aesthetic wise but it can't complete with Dota because, by your own admission, they are going for a specific thing and HotS is not trying to compete with that.
mfw all the mad LoL and Dota babbies bullshitting about Hotsg
>The soon to be Top MOBA game
lolwut?
Last I checked, nobody fucking plays Heroes of the Storm. It doesn't even have a proper esports scene. Dota 2 was already thriving in players and esports when it was still in alpha/beta.
No one fucking plays Hots. What are they gonna do to change it?
>>286271537
Add more internet memes.
>>286271392
Depends on how you play I guess. I have a handful of characters I continue to play over ones I haven't hit 5 with yet, so I'm level 30 with only about 1/3rd of the characters at 5.
>>286271251
>Bought Jaina last night with my hard earned gold
>Found out Sylvanas is coming soon
>Can't get a refund
FUCK
THIS
GAME
>>286271035
Everything is ONLINE now. MMOs aren't dying MMOs have assimilated all other genres. You didn't even realize it! Just thought it was neat you could play your shootery of the guy game with your friends without having to deal with the B/O.
WELL TOO BAD KID, ALL THE GAMES POD PEOPLE
The fuck did I just write? Screw it, posting this anyway. Good luck everybody!
>>286271407
Our Solar System's star is slowly dying too. Maybe we should all suicide to avoid the inevitable demise of Earth when the Sun goes supernova in the year 10,000,000,000 AD.
>>286271461
It competes with Dota because instead of bootleg Valve versions of heroes, HotS will have the real ones. Illidan instead of terrorblade/magina, Cairne instead of that earth spirit or whatever he's called now, Thrall instead of Disruptor, Maiev instead of PA, and so on.
>>286271619
I think you might be missing the MASSIVE part of the genre name.
>>286271439
>How did a cheap clone get more popular than the original
LoL came out in 2009, Dota was still relatively niche and Dota 2 didn't officially come out until 2013. They capitalized on the genre before anyone else did, that's why they are still relevant today. If Dota 2 came out first, I would guarantee you that not as many people would be playing LoL today.
>>286271669
Again, by your own admission no less, Dota is going for a very specific artstyle
HotS is not going for that same artstyle
HotS is not competing with Dota in terms of aesthetics, the end.
/v/ likes activision now?
>>286265968
>how many billions of people play wow
None
>>286271840
It's competing in terms of hero style, Dota 2 has more classic fantasy, league is mishmash leaning way more on the "cool" side, HotS is both.
>>286271245
So we're all copying the very first games that had a leveling system in them, that offering the player a chance to do violence to other players and buildings, as well as gave you the capacity to move in some rudimentary form or other?
k
Cause changing a mechanic is not adding a mechanic.
>>286271587
The thing is that when i got my alpha access there was no talent gating, there's an interview with Dustin Browder where he says they added it because he played CoD and liked it when he unlocked things.
If they actually cared about the players they would've removed the pointless system entirely, since that's what everyone has been asking for since they implemented it. They were quick enough with removing the shitty artifacts but they just refuse to let go of talent gating.
>>286271970
you're a dumb fucking nigger if you think anyone will switch games because a few models in the other game look similar to the game they're already playing and are heavily invested in.
>>286264689
>The soon to be Top MOBA game
HOTS is really innovative, not dumbed down and not just there to milk money out of blizzard fangays.
>>286271607
Enjoy your Jaina and get Sylvanas later? Be happy your game still exists?
FUCK YOU HI-REZ
>>286266595
>Sparklepony
>>286265247
>No it won't, and no it doesn't
Caters too much to the left with their tranny heavy design.
>>286271673
You aren't congratulating me for even spelling it right in this state.
wtf
>>286271970
For the third time
Dota is fantasy only
LoL is mishmash of everything
HotS is a mishmash of everything
Your argument hold no water.
>>286272004
Dota and its clones added lanes as a new mechanic.
But whatever you clearly know nothing about the genrethis was disappoint by even blizzard shill standards
>levels are a completely new mechanic I swear guis
>>286271669
Those original character designs are only relevant to Dota1 veterans, who I'd say is the demographic least likely to switch to a casual moba in general and one that's managed so differently from Valve/Icefrog's method in particular.
Most Dota players don't care that Terrorblade's based on some old RTS anti-villain, they care about a polished F2P with core gameplay that's fun, rewarding and unmonetized.
>>286272174
Shazbot
>>286264689
no
no
no
no
and no
>>286271607
You'll get like 1,500 gold for every hero you have at 15, anon. Better get grinding.
>>286269969
innovative quests?
All you do in wow is fetch quests and kill 15 wizards 8 guards and 3 commands. And the occasional hold out for 3 minutes defending this camp/npc.
>>286271607
you can get a single refund, talk to blizz support.
>>286272558
Exactly, innovative!
>>286272304
Ok let me explain it in simpler terms:
Dota 2 is a girl who lets you fuck her pussy.
LoL is a girl who lets you fuck her mouth, and sometimes her pussy.
HotS is a girl that lets you fuck her pussy, mouth, AND ass anytime you want.
>>286271507
So you fall under the HOTS player stereotype? A stupid looking nigger.
I tried the heroes of the storm beta and it literally felt like one of those MOBA knockoffs on iPad/Android.
The game may be a hit with blizzdrones but I just don't see any lasting appeal with it.
