I am not able to play evil character in RPG games. I just can't choose the evil answer, knowing that millions will die. I can't kick the dog. Hell, I can't even tell NPC to fuck off, because that's not a thing a nice person would say. I'm the ultimate beta, am I not?
I know that feel OP.
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>>285739627
Pussy!
>>285739627
It just means you're aware of the consequences of your actions
>>285739627
just play the game in "good" mode then replay it in evil mode next time
>>285739890
You fucker
>>285739627
>I'm the ultimate beta, am I not?
Well, yes, but you at least have morals.
Morals won't get you pussy, but if a God exists, you'll at least get your virgins.
>>285739627
>tfw always returned the stolen wallets in GTA
>>285739627
i know that feeling.
i think the only game where i've been evil was kotor and that was simply because you couldswitch to darkside when you're like 90% done with the game
I used to be able to be evil. When I was a kid playing Kotor and Baldur's Gate, I took so much sadistic glee in choosing the evil options. All the other games forced me to be the hero. FINALLY,I could be the villain!
But then I grew older and realized what an edgelord I was. I grew out of my belligerent atheist phase, and started trying to play in-character.
>>285740317
I was never able to do that. Even if I start an evil character I just disregard the alignment and roleplay as a good one, instead. Then my OCD kicks in, it bothers me to no end and I just delete the shit and roll a good character, instead.
>>285739627
>Dark Imoen
I like this.
Funny, I am not able to play the good character
Tried playing Mass Effect and the "good" path was the most boring, dreadful shit I have ever seen
Games are about having fun, not muh morality
>>285739627
Same here, except for in Mass Effect. Might just be because I've played that game too many times, though.
>>285741505
>OCD
Definitely this. Half the reason I always play Good is because Good usually gives you the most rewards. I'm one of those people who will repeat every mission and quest until I get the most optimal ending, and generally, it's hard to optimize when you murder and alienate everyone. Generally.
>>285741843
>>285741849
In Mass Effect you're still good, renegade just doesn't put up with people's whiny bullshit.
I used to grind combat levels in Oblivion by butchering villages
People would still love me because I was the Hero of Kvatch
When I play rpgs I usually play the good guy. On subsequent playthrough I try the evil rout, just to see how it turns out, but often it feels wrong.
But when I play some sort of strategy game I can go full on evil empire, creating a realm of doom and misery and bring war to every faction. Like I'm two persons depending on the genre I play.
The only game i've been able to do an evil playthrough is Jedi Acadamy, and that's because the good one makes you keep this fucker alive.
>>285742093
sometimes evil gives better rewards like in fallout new vegas
either you finish the quest the good way = exp and caps
or
just kill every one = their caps, kill exp and their unique weapons
>Being Good in BG 1 / 2
Enjoy your shit party with Aerie and Mr. Cunty Paladin
I'll just travel around with Edwin bro and decimate everything
>>285741505
>>285742093
>pretending you have ocd
I remember doing an "evil" playthrough of The Witcher 1, when I sided against the Scoia'tael. Even though I agreed with their politics, and thought the Order of the Burning Rose was racist, all the Squirrels I met were monstrous assholes, while some of the men in the Order were actually really decent and respectable. I thought it wasn't worth fighting for freedom if all the freedom fighters are stupid and violent.
There's nothing wrong with knowing your role and feeling comfortable in it.
>>285739627
>I'm the ultimate beta, am I not?
Yes.
That being said there's no reason to play Evil in baldurs gate at all because you aren't even evil, just a retarded asshole.
>>285742815
But anon, siding with the squirrels IS the evil path.
They fight for nilfgaard. And they're elves! ELVES!
>>285742815
Reminds me of muslims.
>>285742846
yeah, this. I always do good
playthrougs too, I think they're more satisfying in a way
>>285742752
>implying you can't have edwin in a good party
>>285742815
>and thought the Order of the Burning Rose was racist
That's a good thing though.
>>285739627
For some reason I can be an asshole all I want to people in the game I don't like, or even people who aren't that bad-but I can never kick the dog or kill dogs/cats. I dunno
I still haven't played a game you can be properly evil in, though
In Mass Effect the "evil" route is just a snarky-mouthed good
Same in Baldur's Gate
Even in the Fallouts you can't be completely evil, unless you add some mods.
>>285739627
The problem with playing evil in most rpgs is just that the evil path is pants on had retarded most of the time. The only game I can remember that mad it possible to play a smart evil guy was P:T but you really need to be a cold motherfucker to pull that through. Also, the good path turns out to be better in most rpgs. That way, being good loses all challenges. A game where being a selfish scumbag is the easiest way and being good requiring a lot of sacrifice and little or no reward other than a good conscience would be pretty cool.
>>285742752
Edwin is a shitty mage. IIRC he can't into the True sight. Instant remove from party.
Unlike Keldorn, who is a goddamn strong fighter. With True sight. And shitton of dispel power.
And Aerie is cute as fuck and I romanced her full force and made her give me some sweet lil' half breeds.
>>285739627
>plays Overlord
>try the whole game to be as evil as possible
>only 35% evil at the end of the game
i saw the bad ending on YT yesterday it's too evil anyway
>>285743063
The Squirrel's ARE LITERALLY the Taliban you know.
For fucks sake, Nilfgaard funds them like the CIA did in Afghanistan to stick it to the commies.
>W3
> Ciri flashforwards to a future where the Elves are suicide bombing cities and Franchesca Findebair (fuck spelling) or whoever leads the elves is wearing a veil
>>285743369
what about planescape:torment
i haven't actually tried being evil in that game but i'm assuming it's possible
>>285743490
>Strongest mage in the game
>Shitty
He's the only playable character in BG2 who can cast level 9 spells, except the player if you roll good of course
>>285743369
Try Planescape: Torment. I haven't finished a full evil playthrough yet but you can do some pretty bad things.
>>285742815
When the other races are constantly trying to start shit and kill everyone, racism is a good thing.
And Siegfried is a total bro. Yeavinn...not so much.
>>285743565
Definitely, you can sell your companions to slavery or be a complete dick to them and other people you meet.
>>285742714
I must rewatch this show some day.
>>285743565
Well technically you are evil no matter which route you choose in that game, but spoilers spoilers
>>285743490
i'm not the person you talked to but come on, edwin is without a doubt the best mage in bg1 at least, i would rank him as the best in bg2 as well.
aerie is an annoying little cunt, but i do like my keldorn
>>285743565
its fucking monstrous man
>>285742815
I never saw chosing the order as an evil option. Sure they are dicks but the Squirrels where even bigger assholes in my point of view.
>>285743760
i wouldn't say you're evil tbh, selfish yes but evil? no, not necessarily.
In New Vegas you can invade peoples house, chop them up and eat them
being good ever... enjoy the no loot
>>285743610
>except the player if you roll good of course
>not using a mod to give yourself the best stats
There's no difference between that and sitting there clicking the dice for over an hour.
>>285739627
If I want to do evilI playthroug I play with female char. That way I'm not selfinserting, I'm feeling a lot more distance to the character and actions made.Also being evils it's pretty much roleplaying woman
>>285743760
Your other personalities where evil but the current incarnation can be of any alignment possible.Too bad, you're still going to the nine hells in the end though.
>>285743610
Because of the free spell slots? If you know what you are doing you can have almost unlimited spellslots with pretty much anyone. I would rate Imoen higher than Edwin because she has no school restrictions. And she has them vital rogue skills.
>>285743565
You can be fucking awful. Like, to the point where most 2edgy kids that always play evil bad people couldn't stomach it.
I've never had this issue-I just get really into the mindset of someone who doesn't give a fuck and see it through. The key thing is to try to see other human beings as just means to an end. It's fucked up, but once you start, you get into it. I kind of get how people can do awful shit to others-it becomes routine.
New Vegas is a good game to do this in-Yes Man route is the best one for an evil playthrough, CL is too much about obeying some goober. Removing all obstacles to your Empire of Sin is very satisfying.
>>285742815
That's one thing TW1 did well, making both parties look somewhat retarded. What it did bad was to a certain point you had to choose between two retarded outcomes versus choosing between two good outcomes. It's been awhile but the bank robbery comes to mind.
>>285742752
You can turn Viconia good, and she is a cleric, so OP, and you can still get the qt gnome, and Edwin doesn't actually care if you are good or Evil. And minsc of course likes you being good.
So all you really miss out on is the dipshit dwarf.
>>285743893
Wellthe first incarnation of the nameless on did something so fucking evil that not even an eternity of regret can make up for it.That is really something. Sadly you never find out what exactly he did.
>>285744357
Also correct me if I am wrong, but everyone can cast level 9 spells. There are no int requirements in BG2 when it comes to spell level progression. Unless the vanilla BG2 and ToB has them and the GOG complete version doesn't.
It's cause you put on the shoes of the character.
Role playing means you play as ANOTHER COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTER, not yourself. They are not your actions, they are your character actions.
Try thinking about a backstory for your character and act following it.
>>285742815
did you kill Vincent the werewolf bro? I did it on my second run, and I just felt really awful about it.
>>285739627
I don't play evil because the evil choice is pointless and I n some cases hinder you
>>285739627
I can't do any of that either but not for moral reasons but because i'm afraid i'll miss out on content. Fucking sucks.
>on the 9th level of Dark Messiah
>have to choose between becoming the antichrist and having to sacrifice a whole city to stop the apocalypse
Dat succubus though.
>>285744565
>dipshit dwarf
I'll fucking strangle you for dissin my biggest BG2 bro
Also all evil characters will leave you if your rep goes above 18 and you only can turn Vic good in ToB. Luckily even thought you're pretty much bombarded with positive rep turn into reaper skill exists.
>>285739627
>tell NPC to fuck off
>miss quest
>miss exp
>miss loot
i always listen to their tales of woe
>>285739627
You are the ultimate beta not because you're the "nice guy," but because you had to ask.
>>285744943
He even looks like a dipshit. If you want a short character, get the qt gnome.
>>285744565
You can turn Viconia Neutral. Though for drow, that's about the same as being good.
has anyone actually use the slayer form effectively?
>>285745273
I want armored rape-train. He starts with 5 points in axes, add two into dualhanding and there won't be no brakes. And he's pretty chill for that supposed chaotic evilness.
>>285744565
BEST PARTY: Sarevok, Minsc, Jan, Viconia, Edwin, the talking redneck sword, ???
Amirite
>>285745506
I don't think I ever used it
Too unpredictable and I was a Paladin so I did massive damage in human form anyway
I just hate most moral choices to begin with.
It's always binary horseshit with obvious outcomes and no fucking motivation to be such a cunt like:
>Tell him his wife is dead, which will make him cry, but he'll let you through.
>Rape his remaining family in front of him, while setting fire to an orphanage, then kill him so you can get through
>>285739627
it is a video game therefore nothing you do actually matters. Try killing everyone for a lark!
I was doing a pacifist run of Deus Ex HR up until after that girl dies/almost dies.
After that I just snapped and killed everyone.I never asked for this
>>285739930
THIS
>>285745506
Mostly to keep my rep below 18 so my evil companions won't leave. Maybe against Bohdi or if you go against the whole drow city, but not necessarily.
>>285739627
>I just can't choose the evil answer, knowing that millions will die.
But what if sacrificing people for your happiness is not an evil choice but a neutral one?
This is more in pen and paper RPGs, but whatever.
When I want to play an evil character, I will usually go for a different race. Like an orc if I'm going for a brutish kind of evil, or an elf if I'm going for a scheming kind of evil, or whatever fits.
And then after a while, I will still feel bad. I just can't bring myself to being evil. So my orc gradually sees the error of his ways, and becomes a protector instead.
My elf is now in power, but doesn't rule with an iron fist. He is a kind lord.
I always fucking do this.
Except with thieves. I can go thievin' all day, no problemo. Pickpocketing a beggar? I want that copper. When snatching a farmer's crops, I'll fill my bags just to spite him.
>>285739627
>itt topic faggots who can't detach and play a role
>>285745849
Definitely hardest part to do was keep her alive during my pacifist run.
Same.
>>285744127
>needing an hour to roll one 18
fuck off
you don't need more than 10 strength
you don't need more than 12 dex
you don't need more than 16 con
you don't need more than 12 wisdom (no fuck you wish spell, you barely worth it and the 14 option is only needed if you want a spare time stop and don't want to drink a +2 int pot)
you don't need any charisma above 10 unless you are that autistic about swapping rings.
Go ahead and try me. None of those stats even matter even in the most extreme of circumstances. Even the con has no hp returns above 16 unless you are a warrior. Spells are affected by Int, which you can max at 18 and if you are paranoid about losing your familiar, 17. Dump the rest into strength if you want to skip one spell when becoming a muscle wizard or rest into charisma if you hate ring swapping.
>>285739627
Yeah you're a faggot. I never feel bad about harming other people.
I bet you always go high intelligence and charisma as well, you faggot.
Is there any worse mechanic that Morality meters?
All they do is make you choose based on "what will give me most good/evil points" and not what you would actually do
It ruined Mass Effect, it ruined modern Fallouts, it ruined Infamous
Fuck that shit
>>285746267
>not wanting a warrior with 18/00 strenght
i don't care about that 19 str ring, i want to start with 18/00
>>285746304
your karma has pretty much no effect in fallout nv though. it's all about faction reputation. I had a very evil character who was best buds with the NCR because he only preyed on those outside of its influence.
>>285746267
it's worth to have one point extra somewhere for that deamon that takes one from you.
>>285746267
But rolling for the best stats is part of the fun, faggot.
>>285739627
>I am not able to play evil character in RPG games.
I'm sure you are very good IRL.
Satan worshipping on the inside good.
Most RPG's do not flesh out your motives for being evil enough. Most of the time your motive is simply evil for the sake of evil and not for any believable motive like personal gain or even just because you have some grudge against an npc through their actions or personality.
>>285746304i ruined you're mom
>>285746389
we are talking about a player avatar like Edwin though. Just wear girdle of frost giant strength for 21 strength. heck every bhaal combination class gets holy might for free I think.
>tfw you raise charisma in bg2 and there's that ring that sets it at 18 at the beginning so it's useless
>>285744572
i'm fairly certain it wasremoving your mortalitywhich was the evil thing. either way, i wouldn't consider the actions of previous incarnations being "you" in a sense.
discussion about that might get a bit too philosophical but that's my opinion and i'm way too tired to discuss that.
>>285746563
it is more fun on a class designed to use those attributes, but the wizard/mage class only looks at intelligence. You need a minimum of 16 to get an adjustment of 2 armor class on a mage, while you can just cast a cheap low level spell that lasts hours or days instead. If the enemy rolls a natural 19 or 20 they autohit anyhow, and they usually do on Throne of Bhaal, though not that it makes much difference if you throw up stoneskins or phase, or reflections.
>>285745623
>viconia
that would be anomen, he has additional 1 1/2apr warrior uncapped thac0 and access to holy word spell which vic doesnt have
>>285746586
dragon age origins had a fairly fleshed out "evil" options, even if they retcon them in later games.
desecrating ashes of some god
Permanently killing companions by choices you make
murder
making the mother kill her child while you watch
stuff is brutal
>>285742093
this is why chaotic neutral the best. good? evil? who gives a shit!
>>285745623
>not sarevok, keldorn, minsc, boo, PC and one free slot that can go to either viconia or aerie
????
>>285739930
>>285745906
yeah well apparently you guys aren't aware it's a VIDYA
>>285747535
The rule is one waifu per party.
>>285741150
But why
>>285748034
>Not romancing several party members at once and watching them fight each other over you
>roll 18/99
>>285746267
>>285747240
i don't give a shit about your pragmatism you fun hating faggot. I want a muscly charismatic wizard, and that's that.
Who here is multiple role played playthroughs master race?
>>285742815
I sided with the Elves because I wanted to fuck elven chicks. Game didn't disappoint.
>>285746586
That's because "evil" isn't a real thing.
Selfishness is, but no one is evil for the sake of being evil.
Even people who enjoy hurting others just do it because it gives themself pleasure.
>>285748353
>they leave party and attack
>>285739627
The only time I could be "evil" in games is SMT
And that's not even evil, cause both Law and Chaos suck.
True Demon Master race
>>285748365
The only correct answer is to kill the imp for being a demonic creature.
>>285748479
HOLY SHIT IS SHE PULLING HER FINGER OFF
FUCK SPOILER THAT GORE
>>285748457
>bring bread to elf chick, she yells at you, insults you then has sex with you
Elves are weird.
![ps2_baldurs_gate_dark_alliance-ss_2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iQAf3TQ.jpg "ps2_baldurs_gate_dark_alliance-ss_2[1].jpg")
is it time for some dark alliance?
>>285743490
>+3 spells/day on EVERY LEVEL
>Edwin is a shitty mage
TOP LEL
>>285739627
is it strange that I always find it easier to play as an evil character? for instance if I ever run across a stranger in the wild I'll kill them just to make sure they aren't carrying good items. Or stealing I always steal people's items. I also enjoy the evil sidequests way more.
>Blow up the brotherhood of steel with a satellite?
sure why not.
>should i tell your wife I found you in a jail cell on the other side of the galaxy?
nope, I'll kill you for fun after I tell you your wife is waiting and then tell her I never ran across you so she keeps believing you're alive until her death.
>should I blast wrex in the face with a shotgun?
sure why not? he's alien scum after all and with ambassador udina coming to the council the alien concentration camps will be up and running in no time anyway
>>285742714
I've still never finished the tops quest where you find performers. Every time I kill the guitar guy for his Mysterious Magnum
>>285748034
>Not having a party consisting purely of sluts lusting for your Big Bhaal Cock
>>285748564
> both Law and Chaos suck
Yet you went full chaos with True Demon
>>285749101
Nope
>>285748457
Only at chapter 2 but I hope I there's a neutral option. nothing more annoying than having to choose between two factions you don't give a shit about.
>>285749285
You wish. Witcher 1 is a shit game about choices. The ending especially. That twist just made the game worse by having it.
The best games are the ones that add some sort reward for being good, but also make it harder
It should be:
Evil path
>Easier, requires less sacrifices, more short-term gain
Good path
>Harder, needs discipline, but rewards in the long term
>>285749256
Well Nocturne isn't as clearly divided because it has the shitty reasons. And doing anything besides TDE is losing out on content.
And Law and Chaos DO suck
>>285739627
I'm almost the same as you, OP. I can't, for the life of me, play an evil character, only I can tell someone to fuck off, or be 'not nice' if I feel the situation calls for it.
>>285749465
No, the best games are like dark messiah
>the good path has an annoying but slightly qt waifu
>the evil path has a succubus slut that wants your anti-christ D
>the best path has you redeem the succubus slightly, giving you the best waifu
>>285748365
B = S-1
2*(B-1) = S
>>285749465
This, basically. Good choices should require short-term sacrifices, evil choices should yield short-term rewards. Long-term consequences shouldn't always even that out, though, if the game is going to be interesting.
r8 my party
I keep Jaheira as a pure healer, use Aerie for crowd control and Imoen for offensive spells
>>285749671
Should play that game. How does it hold up?
>>285750241
Well
>>285750241
Pretty good, just remember that magic/melee/etc are irrelevant.
All you need is your foot.
>>285750102
>aerie
>keeping a wingless rodent in your party
What's a character that isn't necessarily evil but will kill or do harm to others to advance his own personal gain or objectives? Also he's not doing it for the greater good.
>>285750102
pure healer? crowd control? what?
>>285750241
It's a Source game, so it holds up pretty well
It has some shitty bossfights, though
>>285750556
Scorpius in farscape comes to mind. His entire motivation is basically 'fuck talking dinosaurs.'
>>285750364
>>285750417
>>285750653
Is it worth playing for reasons other than waifus?
>>285750792
Yes
>>285750556
>whats a character who does evil things but people can come up with a bullshit explanation as to why he isn't actually evil
>>285750556
> will kill or do harm to others to advance his own personal gain or objectives
That is Evil.
Being Evil doesn't mean you have to be a cackling mustache twidling villain that kills or rapes everyone in his path though.
You can have trusted friends, loved ones, you can be nice to people you want without doing it for personal gains.
You just don't give a shit if they happen to be in your way.
>>285750630
>Pure healer
Somebody dedicated to buffing, healing, death warding etc
>Crowd control
Somebody working only on disables, entangling, domination, feeblemind, shit like that
It's pretty useful to have one for each role, frees up your damage dealers to do alot more
>>285750792
It has the best first person melee combat in videogames and the most satisfying telekinesis.
>>285751143
You clearly never played a group with all casters dedicated to fuck everything up. This isn't an mmorpg man.
>>285750792
the two love interests are the most unlikable characters I have encountered in a video game
>>285749132
Spells per day doesn't matter at all when you have the project image spell.
Evil in RPGs too easily veers into pointless edgy territory. It just breaks character because no sane person would act that randomly and violently.
I think the Mass Effect renegade choices were usually done well, though. For minor things they were often dickery, but the major choices often had some solid justification compared to the idealistic paragon ones. Renegade Shepard was willing to make sacrifices, and was less willing to put up with bullshit, or take chances with poor odds.
>>285751123
I know but where does it fall on the evil scale?
>>285751828
It's the perfect description of Neutral Evil
>>285751642
Do you live in a fantasy world where people arent murdered every single day for no reason?
I always thought a solo run in BG1/2 would be difficult, but my berserker/mage is ridiculously overpowered. Getting kind of boring, even when playing as a puppy punting asshole.
because you are a good christian
>>285751914
Would Dio Brando be neutral evil?
>>285751438
>Xana
>unlikeable
I'll slap your shit, son.
>>285739627
I was having a lot of fun with the evil choices in Jade Empire until I threatened that abused prostitute and she freaked out. I still feel bad about it.
>>285742752
Evil parties got a buff in the Enhanced Edition with that blackguard half-orc.
>>285743369
You can be pretty evil in Alpha Protocol. Mike Thronton the psychopath is a bit disturbing.
>kill innocent people
>help terrorists and criminals
>join the bad guys in the end
>>285747601
On a side note, did you guys kill the elf fag?
I was playing the usual good guy, but why the hell would I trust a mercenary that knows no loyalty? I barely realized the game was suggesting him as a party member because killing him seemed such an obvious choice
The thing about videogames is that more often than not the "evil" answer is also fucking retarded. Not even the most self serving twisted asshole would just go and mouth off to their superiors or commit a crime against a powerful faction that they knew would be found out, because those things are moronic and would only serve to hinder rather than help you.
>>285752528
I did on my first playthrough. I didn't even get the cutscene because I left the area without going near what I assumed was his dead body.
After I beat it the first time I read up on everything to see what I missed and that was probably the biggest thing, along with leaving sten in his cage.
>>285752254
I'll kick your shit off a cliff
The only time I've really felt bad about being an asshole in a video game was during Alpha Protocol. Bashing an old guy's face into a table for shits and giggles made me uncomfortable. Probably because my granddad had died a few weeks prior, but still.
>playing alpha protocol
>not really any alignment
>you can act differently with each character
>been friendly most of the game
>decide to be a total dick to the next character I meet
>Madison
>all she wants to do is warn me that I might be in danger
>end up threatening her life and kidnapping her
>keep her locked up in my safehouse
>she attacks me to escape
>later have a choice of stopping the bad guy and defusing bomb or saving her
>save her just to see what she says
>everyone calls me an idiot
>she thanks me but still calls me a monster
This game gets too little credit.
>>285753210
Yeah, the dialogue and consequences were some of the best in any game ever.
Shame about the gameplay. Still, finished it like a dozen times.
>>285753210
It's like Legacy of Kain
God-tier dialogue, but mediocre gameplay
>>285753210
Because it was buggy as shit.
>>285753210
>>285754262
Defiance has good gameplay tho
>>285756350
That webm is literally the opposite of how I played.
