>dat ending tho
Just beat it. What even about that ending.
>>285669289
Ending means "We are edgy and fuck you nerd"
the ending was literally perfect
>>285669394
why is it edgy
Honestly I felt the ending was really predictable. Who didn't think that after the opening scene he wouldn't want to end up adopting her.
I wish you could choose ifyou wanted to kill her or let her live
>>285669573
Because the developers (Druckman) view players as unworthy to solve the dilemma for themselves and force their own choice down the throats, despite the player earning right for that choice for himself by playing the entire game.
>>285669289
There was a good chance that it wouldn't work, they had patients like her that were immune, they killed all of them in the process and her case would obviously be no different
joel lied because fuck putting that all on your surrogate daughter's mind and conscience
>>285670039
this wasn't ass effect or some BS RPG where you get to make "decisions"
>>285669289
He just wanted to be a father again
Joel made the right choice
>>285670190
this, there was no fucking way those assclowns were EVER going to make a cure anyway
>>285669289
Joel did nothing wrong. The ending was flawless. Kudos.
I know people on here are going to be like "bleh it was so predictable", but how many times in the last 5 or 10 years have you seen games or movies deviate from the predictable ending for some shock twist, to the point where the twist is predictable.
I loved the ending so fucking much.
>>285670039
>themselves
You don't get a choice, you are playing as a person whose character and backstory is fully established. This was Joel's story, not one you influence.
>>285670190
The recorders literally state Ellie is the first one the Firefly doctors have seen that is immune.
It wouldn't work because not only was most of the Fireflies wiped out in the moving across the country, but a distribution and production line would be impossible and they honestly seem like some attention whores if the doctors wouldn't straight up team up with the military/government to do it.
Another problem arises is that only a few hours after getting her and doing tests, they decide to chop her up. Like, its been 20 years surely you can fucking wait a few more weeks.
>>285670293
MGS1 was made 20 years ago, it wasn't RPG, yet it had choice whether to save a certain character.
>>285670476
10000% agree, fuck the fireflies and their bullshit
>>285670643
It didn't have the choice to make the single biggest deviation in story. Saving/letting them kill Ellie would be the equivalent of not saving Otacon and him just dying to soldiers.
>>285670643
and then they shit all over it later by telling you the "real" decision in the next game
>>285670643
not every game needs pseudo RPG decisions m8
>>285670667
My favorite part of the game was killing all of the fireflies I could after Marlene tried to throw Joel out.
>>285670621
>you are playing as a person whose character and backstory is fully established.
It's a fucking video game, if I play as character I should have ability to alter his decisions too. If I wanted to just press some buttons for fun I have mobas and fighting games which are 10 better for that than any single-player will ever be. If I wanted to passively watch "a story" I have movies which are 10 times better for that than any video games will ever be.
>>285670975
Sounds like you are a casual.
I liked the fact joel was a fucking murdering shit and that's why he was able to do so well
I also like they never give any explanation to any of the horrid shit that he did (goddamn it RDR you should have done this too)
>ending is some multiple-choice question with no context that gets dumped in the player's lap
>/v/ bitches
>ending is a thematic climax of the characters you have watched develop throughout the game, with the consequences of their decisions affecting not only what happens but their relationships to each other
>/v/ bitches
i sense a pattern here
>>285670975
naw lel, joel was a big boy and could make big boy decisions for himself
>>285670797
I don't think "the canon" is relevant because it's mostly the unfortunate consequence of having to do sequels.
>>285670890
Games that don't need pseudo RPG decisions in 2015 should better be online and have amazing gameplay.
>>285671151
>mfw Joel once participated in each of the fucked up communities you encounter in the game
>murderous smugglers/gun runners
>kidnapping/murdering scavengers
>cannibals
>>285671167
>*insert literally anything here*
>/v/ bitches
>>285671226
Why I had to aim the cross at zombies for him for 8 hours then? I would better play few hundred matches in SF4 in that time.
>>285671283rape
>>285671405
you should have watched a movie m8
>>285671489
I definitely should. Too bad none of the "reviewers" told me that before I wasted my money.
>>285670039
>player earning the rights to choice
>bad because of lack of choice
since when do all games need fucking choice? jesus, you cant be this jaded right? how does a player EARN the right to have a choice in a game where there arent supposed to be any choices? what the fuck? this is entitlement if i've ever seen it.
>>285671579
Things a casual would say.
>>285670039
>>285670643
>>285670975
>>285671231
>>285671405
>>285671579
man you are truly fucking assblasted about the ending aren't you?
>inb4 you just whine at me some more
>>285671692
It's 2015 year dude. If I needed pure gameplay there are online games for that. For single player game, I expect the amalgam of interactive narrative/gameplay experience. And that's not out of this world demand, it was made 20 years ago already. MGS did that. Mass Effect did that. Dragon Age did that. Even Infamous did that to certain degree.
Guys I found the real ending
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/651982
>>285671857
Dude I understand you never watched anything but anime and transformer movies so LoU blew your mind. I watched some real movies so video games attempts at being "deep" are laughable for me.
At least explore the unique opportunities of the media instead of thinking you can get close to where even Kubrick got.
>>285669289
Pretty good ending. Didn't actually see it comming, figured they'd take the easy way out and make it a two-ending game.
Actually making Joel do the (heavy finger quotes) "Wrong" thing and take back Ellie was an interesting choice.
Also, why is there no S5 Infected? The game needed a boss battle or two.
I was more pissed aboutMarlene not even paying Joel for the job. Backstabbing bitch.
Haven't watched this and am not going to; what is the ending?
i swear
i almost cried. i thought it was a really good ending. i didn't expect thecure to involve killing ellieand so then to see joel make that final choice and then to finallylie to ellieat the end to save her...that was beautiful. And just the whole game with how he gradually opened up to her, it was really subtle and well done, a really well written game, which is saying a lot because most game writing is horse shit.
>>285672642
Joel fucks ellie
Didn't really care either way.
Joel is just some crazy guy who misses his daughter.
But the other side were just idiots who were going to fuck up their chance at a cure because "So what if she dies, we MIGHT make a cure!" because that's fucking real intelligent.
What are those niggas even gonna do with a fucking vaccine? Inject a handful of survivors at a base or two? Because that sure as hell ain't gonna help you not get ripped apart by mushroomen.
>>285672109
Well, there ya go. There are plenty of fucking games out there that give you the choice you want. You cant whine and force game devs to give you arbitrary choice even if they think their game doesn't call for it. Otherwise, everything would be a Telltale game.
>>285672660
lol
>>285672765
Everything should be Telltale game with more fleshed-out gameplay. It's literally how single-player video games should be.
>>285672752
What I don't get isJoel is knocked out in the tunnel and when he wakes up they're already prepping Ellie for surgery. How long was he out? A few hours at most? They get a hold of Ellie and decide they should perform a fatal surgery on her that fucking fast? They don't need to run some tests or something?
>>285673043
those surgeons and scientists were obviously hot shit who had been preparing for a long time
>>285673043
The reason isbad writing
>>285672458
I agree, fantastic way to handle it. One of the few games in recent years I was utterly satisfied with the ending.
I still need to play on survivor, but I think those two bloaters in the same place is meant to be the big boss. Kind of easywhen you can jump on that bus and hurl molatovs at them. Still, takes a good deal of planning to take out the mass amount of clickers and shit around them.A super bloater might have been nice or something, but imagine a player who shows up with no molatovs. He would literally not be able to finish the game.
I know that's the player's fault because the game emphasizes conservation, but the player has to have a way to succeed, especially since there is no backtracking, even with saves.
>>285672660
I legit teared up when Joel's daughter died. One of the only games that has ever made me do that.
Inb4 Joel doomed humanity
I smoked those unarmed surgeons and I liked it. because they deserved it.
>>285670476
The point was that Joel is a crazy selfish asshole. It's an appropriate ending, but only delusional fags try to justify Joel's actions as positive. Obviously there wasn't a guarantee that they'd find a cure, but it'd be a step in the right direction.
>>285672728
So same as always. What's the big deal then?
>>285672458
The fact that a lot of people even contemplate that Joel was in the "wrong" in any way whatsoever makes me lose a little more hope in mankind. The game presents you more than enough evidence to make the proper judgment call that the cure was a scam, without the audio logs even.
>>285672660
The daughters death shamelessly made me tear up
>>285673308
>One of the only games that has ever made me do that.
>game
>>285673203
survivor mode is good. almost no supplies and the listening mode is turned off. no listening mode changes the game a lot.
>>285673308
that was too early for me to be that invested but it was very sad yeah
I think the cure thing is sort of debatable.
Keep in mind with current technology, an established framework, a real government, and infrastructure to support research:
We have not made a "cure" or a vaccine for cancer or any significantly fatal disease since Polio (1952)
Medical progress has basically been stalled.
We have barely improved 5-year survival rates for many forms of cancer. They are up only 50% since 1960s. And most of that is just from detecting it earlier, not because our mid/late stage treatments are improved. http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/cancer-death-rate-steadily-declining (the title sounds more positive than the results).
So, yeah, my faith in a team of just a few people to find some miracle cure, using samples they already have, without any real infrastructure... not high.
Then there's the question of distribution. The Fireflies can barely control anything. Odds of them actually distributing anything they make is extremely low. There's also a lot of talk about how they want to restore government, but there's no evidence that they have an executive, judicial, or legislative branch, and they seem to operate basically along military lines. They have zero respect for any kind of real civil rights, no procedures governing themselves, and are really just a less organized version of the military.
The only people with a real plan are those who are looking at creating sustainable communities. I don't mean that in the hippie sense of "green" but in the "a society that has the foundations to reproduce/continue life" sense.
Joel's choice was the best choice available and of course Ellie would have thrown herself to her death, due to survivors guilt and the illusion that she could sacrifice herself for some cause. It's the role of a parent to prevent those kinds of mistakes.
the black dude killing himself was some heavy shit though that /v/ never talks about
>>285671231
Your autism is giving me autism.
>>285673561
EPIC!
>>285673430
A cure for what? Humanity? There was no humanity. All Joel saw were rapists, murderers, looters, and cannibals. What choice did he have?
a.) Save the only thing in his life that has brought him human joy in 20 years
or
b.) Find a cure for the literal hell on earth? A cure that might not even work. A cure that might get hoarded by the fireflies anyway (a group who fucked him in the ass).
>>285673524
You misunderstand. The common ideology with these kind of mass survival games is that "Any sacrifice that could be for the 'Greater Good' is a sacrifice worth making."
In general, we'd be asked that Sacrificing ellie for a chance a cure would be, by itself, a worthy and noble goal. Joel does that far more interesting in that he rather blatantly would rather burn the world down around his ears than let them carve up his surrogate daughter for a one-in-a-million chance at saving the world.
That's a really brave thing to do with a video game story, as a lot of people would use that to paint Jole as the villain of the piece.
>>285673561
M3meZ! Xd
>>285673678
lol since when is black people dying worth discussing
>>285673561
Anyway to filter out these shitposters?
>>285673678
nigga was a basic bitch
I felt bad for Beel.
Need more Beel.
Best portrayal of a gay guy ever in vidya.
>>285673942
i don't know what I was expecting.
>>285673715
>>285673861
>>>/Reddit/
>>285673678
RIP in peace Sam's brother... we hardly knew ye.
>>285673430
Killing your one shot at a solution is not a "step in the right direction"
>>285673678
Goddamn niggers always taking the lazy way
>>285673852
>The common ideology with these kind of mass survival games is that "Any sacrifice that could be for the 'Greater Good' is a sacrifice worth making."
Name other survival games that put out this theme. Gears of War does not count. No macho military shooter that is all about CODing your way through armies to find the Jesus solution does not count.
>>285673975
Get a name and filter all namefags.
>>285673975Get some taste in vidya
You know what really got me. The first time I checked Ellie's backpack when I played as her in Winter. She had mementos of everything that happened in the game up to that point and she comments on them.She even kept Sam's toy robot.It was a tidal wave of feels, and I wasn't ready for it.
>>285674016
>oh shit I got nothing
>le reddit boogyman
>>285674282
She kept Sam's toy robot because she could trade for it later. She is a survivor just like everyone else, and she knows how to barter just like everyone else.
>>285674064
More like iron MANLET, eh
>>285673852
>The common ideology with these kind of mass survival games is that "Any sacrifice that could be for the 'Greater Good' is a sacrifice worth making."
I'm fairly certain that almost any game you can name with a sacrifice plot involves the character(s) up for sacrifice either a) trying to find a way around it, or b) actively fighting against it instead of graciously accepting it and that those calling for their sacrifice are more often than not the bad guys or misguided.
The only difference is that it doesn't often end in wholesale slaughter.
>>285673998
>Best portrayal of a gay guy ever in vidya.
I read the wiki once and it mentions a bunch of feminist and lgbt shit that I never considered, especially interesting was the idea that Bill was a gay hero. I thought that was fucking hilarious, the gay mag ellie finds just painted him as some lonely sad sack of shit degenerate, which he was. The idea that he is a gay hero is very funny to me.
>>285674319
>Nothing
Hey, just like the last of us gameplay
>>285673629
>implying the agenda of world governments is to cure all cancers and not to prolong suffering to fuel whole industries which run on it
>implying a few of mankind's best and brightest would not find a cure without government interference
Might I remind you that the real enemy of TLOU is the US military junta, destroying the only freedom movement left with the power to make a cure?
>>285674637
I like it because he was subtle, and you only realized he was gay when you find his dead ex bf.
>>285674784
>his dead ex-bf
I feel pretty slow now, I never linked Bill's homolust to the dead partner.
>>285674705
look at this cod fanboy over here. Hes pissed that the last of us only had SOME shootin, and little fighjitn
>>285674747
If the government wants a populace to power it's industry it would benefit from having a healthy populace. All that time and effort wasted on caring for the sick could be put to use elsewhere.
THE GREATEST GAME EVER MADE
>>285674915
Bill talks about how he used to have a partner, somone that he cared for.
>>285669289
Are you my brother?
>>285674973
GREATER THAN THE ENTIRE MARIO FRANCHISE
>>285674973
I once fapped to that picture of joel
>>285672934
So, every game should have the illusion of choice where there really is none? That's even worse than having no choice at all.
>that man alone on the boat who created a happy place
>It`s all gone to shit now
Shit, that hit me hard.
And no offense, but I just cant see the shrooms being so awful. People are surviving, you see the infection, you move on. Perhaps if Ellie fucks someone and gets impregnated her child will be inmune too. The chances are pretty fucking big since it`s straight evolution.
>>285675352
Whoever fucks her is a dead man.
>>285670039
you've just confirmed you don't know what edgy means.
>>285675352
The game is the end of modern civilization, not the end of human civilization. Humans were set back a few hundred years, but humanity will still move on in a brave new world. Of course, /v/ can't really conceptualize a post-apoc setting beyond life in DayZ.
>>285675352
>Perhaps if Ellie fucks someone and gets impregnated her child will be inmune too.
Unless you just jerk off on her snatch you can't impregnate her without getting infected.
did anyone else shit their pants in the hotel basement?
>>285674282
Remember when Ellie wouldn't pick up the toy Sam wanted until you turned your back?
>>285675526
>brave new world.
You're gay, aren't you
>>285675442
>>285675561
Do it for mankind.
>>285672934
>>285675350
I just got flashbacks to Bioshock Infinite. I thought I had successfully blocked that game out.
>>285675561
God damn I lold.
>>285675562
Yeah, most ass clenching part of the game IMO.
>>285675678
I think the point of that game was that choice doesn't matter, lol.
>>285675871
No the point of that game was that every 'choice' you made ultimately led to an ultimate destiny of bullshit, and you were forced to eat this bullshit of destiny whether you liked it or not. Most people didn't even understand it was bullshit at the time they reached the ending, so they wanted to believe they reached some sort of spiritual epiphany where video games transcended literature.
>>285676092
>No the point of that game was that every 'choice' you made ultimately led to an ultimate destiny of bullshit, and you were forced to eat this bullshit of destiny whether you liked it or not.
So... Choice doesn't matter. I don't think it was bullshit since the way the game put it was eloquent.
Playing this right now and why is playing with earphones the best thing ever
Now I regret selling it this thread makes me want to play and get depressed all over again.
>>285676349
The choice did matter. The choice meant something. But the fact is that something didn't make sense in the slightest. Its like you took a shower and then you walked out of the shower as a ninja turtle, and you just have to assume the shower water made you mutate without your knowledge. Its worse than a significant choice, its a lolrandumb choice.
>>285670039
>Regurgitating a matthewmatosis opinion instead of forming your own
absolute disgusting, kill yourself
>>285676562
That's completely subjective, though. In your situation, it was your choice to shower but the outcome was something you didn't intend for, therefore your choice didn't matter. Plus, what does lolrandumb mean? Is it because your a Ninja Turtle? Imagine a universe where that would be possible, wouldn't be an unfortunate burden rather than a joke?
>>285676764
The outcome did matter though because it made a lasting immutable impact. In the context of B:I, the impact of the ending is a permanent state of mindfucked. To this day, the impact was so severe that many people treat the condition with copious amounts of Liz SFM porn.
Also its not necessarily a burden if you can bust up cars just by tackling it with your turtle shell.
Unexpected ending, I loved it.
>>285675562
I fucking had to pause the game and take a literal breather, heart racing and everything. That shit came out of nowhere, I had no idea what I was gonna do. Finally I said fuck it, unpaused it, and started firing rounds and hurling Molotovs at that fucker. Got through it on my first try, thank jesus.
>>285670621
I did all the collectables, they never said Ellie was the only one. In one of the final tapes its got a firefly doctor talking about how the other patients deaths wouldn't be in vain. Suggesting she's not the first, and that the firefly's are a bunch of colossal fuck ups.
Even if they had managed to put together a cure, how the fuck would they go about mass producing and distributing it anyway. Its clear their completely inept, and the government forces had just smashed them in the safe zone.
Joel was right.
>>285677668
>those flashes of something moving when your torch moves
>that constant banging and the sound of footsteps and panting
>fire up the generator...
>>285677767
It's heavily implied that she is the one and only, the comment about the others was probably about people they'd infected as part of experiments or Fireflies in general.
They were fuckups either way, though.
>>285677767
Mass production, let alone distribution, would've been next to impossible given the current infrastructure of the world and the limited amount of supplies available. Reverse engineering and a mass produced chemical vaccine in a world where there are no supply lines and little electricity? Good luck.
What's more likely is that if the virus would've been reverse engineered and there was some kind of cure (most likely a vaccine, as it's a fungal eukaroyte), the Fireflies would keep what little they have to themselves.
I simply can't wrap my mind around a situation where Joel isn't right. Unless someone has a magic button.
I like not having a choice sometimes. Like the ending in Silent Hill 2 whereyou have to watch maria die or have to shoot your wifeeven if you personally don't want to. It made me feel a little closer to James. Silent Hill 2 even did multiple endings better than games that give you choices.
>>285673524
The ending is supposed to induce discussion and debate you retard, especially when Ellie makes him swear he wasn't lying to her and mentions she's waiting to join her friend in the afterlife. Either way you look at it, the whole situation is morally gray and there's no way you can consider what Joel did as "good". It's also hard to consider it "wrong" though.
>>285669289
killing that hypocrite bitch at the end was the best part
>>285672456
I think this. Games, even if being greatly written, are FAR from being great works of art. That's why sometimes i prefer old games, because then they focused on gameplay, and videogames is the only medium where you can get any type of gameplay and great gameplay. But now they all focus on a great story, and they are very bad compared to great stories in books or in movies. And more now that they try to imitate hollywoods generic movie characters to make games more "movie" like.
I got the PS4 version for Christmas
I have played roughly 1 hour
This game is very boring
90% of this games success is because of the careful use of santaollala's music in certain scenes
>>285679072
>ending inducing discussion and debate
Literally the only people who had to ask were people who did not play the game and people who rushed through the game. The game gives you an audio log which blatantly says they chopped up other people like Ellie and nothing came out of it.
>>285673203
i sneaked through that tunnel without killing anything on survivor, you still have to use some stuff to distract them though
>>285679441
it starts slow as all fuck
>>285679550
If they didn't want the ending to induce discussion then they wouldn't have had the epilogue scene demonstrating how Joel was in the wrong in more ways than one. It's obviously supposed to be conflicting.
>>285679912
The epilogue scene showed that good men sometimes have to do bad things to try to get shit done. Thats all it was. Ellie doesn't trust him because shes a lesbian who has had to deal with hostile men all of her life, not because Joel is evil.
>>285679441
I played this game for the first time like a year ago and felt the same after an hour. I picked it up a couple weeks ago and blasted through it all and loved it. Give it a chance. Try survivor difficulty if you aren't challenged.
>>285675291
>one game is an entire franchise
what in the
>>285679912
>they wouldn't have had the epilogue scene demonstrating how Joel was in the wrong in more ways than one
when did that happen?
>>285680036
>The epilogue scene showed that good men sometimes have to do bad things to try to get shit done.
This is very interesting considering Joel's actions stopped people from doing a bad thing to get a good result. So whilst Joel is against 'means justify the ends' he also practices it himself. I guess he sees Ellie as some sort of way out of all of that brutal survival for survival's sake.
>>285672456
If this aint the most fedora tipping shit I ever read then I don't know what is.
>>285680236
He stopped people from doing a bad thing by committing a localized genocide event. He had to remove roughly 50 men and 1 woman from the human gene pool to save Ellie. In the context of the story, it was a good thing because Ellie didn't deserve to be treated like that after all of her life's struggles. And thats the only context that matters.
>>285680398
Except for Ellie was okay with being sacrificed for the greater good. She makes it obvious with her monologue in the epilogue. She would've preferred it over Joel slaughtering a small army of people and potentially fucking over all of humanity just for her sake.
>>285680680
Ellie was okay with the general romanticized idea of her death having some meaning, when the entire game preached to the contrary - that there is no contribution that death can bring after death itself, and that the burden of life struggles continue to rest on the shoulders of the living. The epilogue emphasized the fuck out of this - a young girl who still believed in the romanticized idea of a heroic death, and an old, grizzled man who has to lie to convince her to live.
4chan is more liberal than liberals now. Am I the only one who enjoyed that torture scene? There's nothing like that in gaming. This had balls.
