Is this the first time Obsidian has more than 1 year to develop a game?
>>285453324
Is it gonna be good, /v/?
As Obsidian, maybe.
Definitely seems to be getting lots of polish without pressure from publishers.
>>285453458
Yes.
I backed it for like 60 dollars (for all the cool shit), I am putting full trust on Obsidian here
If they fuck up now, there won't be any publishers to blame, there won't be any excuses they can make, and that's when they'll lose me.
I'm not particularly impressed based on the screenshots or videos, art is ok but animation is pretty barf worthy. We'll see how the writing goes.
Latest interview
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a630044/majority-of-content-in-pillars-of-eternity-to-be-optional-says-obsidian.html#~p4R822KRLBohvz
I don't know much about it. Are there other playable races other than humans?lizardmen?
This will be good minus all the SJW shit Josh Sawyer is gonna force into it
>>285453324
doesn't matter it still has so many bugs that break every system every time they patch the beta.
and somehow they already went gold. the 0day patch is gonna be a disaster, and for once they have no publisher to blame for their perpetual QA disasters
yes, but the gameplay is still trash like every other obsidian original game
>>285453826
>lizardmen
maybe in the expansion if they decided to expand on the lore and races
Josh Sawyer is a full-blown SJW, My hopes are dim.
>>285453963
what version of the beta are you playing?
i backed it but haven't followed the updates at all
i liked wasteland 2 but it felt a little sloppy
how is this looking from people who have payed attention to it?
>mfw /v/ turns on obsidian like they turned on double fine
can't wait
>>285453980
At least it isn't some Tolkien races line-up. I like that.
>>285454172
Looking pretty good. I have the beta and it's cool, but for me a lot of the fun of these games is battling mythological creatures and finding fucking awesome items, both of which the beta has none (it's only a side area with 3 or 4 quests meant to test gameplay mechanics).
>>285454374
What older crpg is the combat similar to?
I wonder how Obsidianfags will deal with it if it turns out to be bugged to hell and back now that there's no one else to blame.
Still I hope it's Good. I was broke as shit when their Kickstarter was up or I would have backed it like crazy. It could be so fucking good.
>>285453826
Dude, you can play as a Godly creature with spikes on your heads or fire for a face or fucking ice and shit. It's great.
>>285454460
Combat is similar to BG1, 2 and Icewind dale. It's real-time with pause, but it won't use the DnD ruleset.
It has its own ruleset based around animation times instead of turns/rounds.
i like some of the decisions regarding dialogue options. There isn't a speech skill and instead relies on your previous actions opening up dialogue options (playing an aggressive playstyle will make people more intimidated by you).
Also they showed off an dungeon where you can get through it all via stealth and dialogue options.
>>285454264
Double Fine deserved it though
It's gonna be a gameplay focused game anyway, and everybody knows obisidan can't into gameplay. Andavellone isn't main writer, dropped
>>285454595
Alright cool, thank you.
>>285454374
Does it have liches and beholders?
>>285453826
Yes.
>>285454501
>>285454652
Just something which I loved in the game, it's the Encyclopedia. It's this in-game wiki with game mechanics and a page for every single monster you enconter with hand-drawn art of it, lore and stats. I love browsing it.
>>285454725
Liches yes. No info about beholders.
>>285454725
>>285454043
>Josh Sawyer is a full-blown SJW, My hopes are dim.
the guy has unironically argued that games should have an unrealistically-high percentage of gay and tranny characters just so that "haters" and "bigots" are "forced to get used to" subhuman filth that in reality make up ~6% and ~0.1% of human populations
>>285454725
>>285454979
Oh shit, forgot to include text. Beta has liches, haven't seen any beholder though.
>>285454636
>It's gonna be a gameplay focused game anyway, and everybody knows obisidan can't into gameplay.
It hurts because it's true. The first test release just crushed my hopes, that goddamned attribute system...
>>285454264
only if it ends up being shit.
>>285455428
>if
>>285453765
Pretty much this. Except for the 60 dollars backing because I am a cheapskate.
Reminder that Triple A publishers already want a piece of the cake.
tried the beta
i have literally never played a game with clunkier combat. you can't move without dying from a thousand AoOs, so everything is just babysitting your immobile guys as they hack or shoot away, only its somehow made worse because there is no UI indication when a character is done with whatever command you gave them, and the idle animations are so fucking busy, and the characters blend into the backgrounds so fucking much, that you cannot tell what is happening. you have to constantly pause and keep giving commands, which would be fine if it was turn-based. RTwP sucks major ass for this kind of game.
on top of that the stats are fucking retarded. just like wasteland 2, no stat is a dump stat because everything is required or a character is useless. wizards have to be musclebound if they wanna do damage. barbarians have to be geniuses if they hope to ever hurt somebody wearing armor. all is faggot
>>285454595
so like Dragon Age Origins then?
>>285453458
>kikestarter
of course not
you get some garbage and they run
then 2 years later they patch this shit up
5 years after that they start another kickstarter and everyone will be like HEY THAT GAME WAS PRETTY OKAY I WANT ANOTHER
THIS TIME THEY SURELY WILL DELIVER IM ABSOLUTELY SURE
DEVELOPERS WOULDN'T JUST LIE ON THE INTERNET WOULD THEY
rinse and repeat
>>285455479
they'd have to fuck up the mega dungeon or the party stronghold for me to consider the game a fuck up.
>>285455853
Yes but without a boring-cliché plot and romances.
>>285453324
Honestly I think if this ends up being a fuck-up, Obsidian might close doors.
>>285455976
>they'd have to fuck up the mega dungeon
Done, did you miss the stream?
>>285456131
Double Fine fucked up colossally and they're going stronger than ever.
>obsidian will never make van buren
if i was a billionaire i'd buy fallout from bethesda and give it to obsidian to make
>>285456314
Double Fine has never had the reputation the people of Obsidian enjoy.
>>285456180
how exactly did they fuck up the mega dungeon? i did watch the stream but i can't remember anything about that.
>>285456180
where was the stream?
>>285456492
>>285456445
He's probably talking about the stream back in January/February where they showed the megadungeon and some new city.
No idea what he means by "they fucked it up".
>>285456180
The only megadungeon fuck-up there is is the fact that we already know what the final boss is.
>>285453324
Stick of truth and some other games they made had more than a year of dev time
>>285456445
For me the problem was the small size of the floors, the fact you can't get lost in them just proceed straight forward and that all the rooms they've shown so far are so bland as if they've been made with a procedural generator.
>>285455672
Not having dump stats isn't necessarily a bad thing.
The problem is more how the stats work don't make any conventional sense and its needlessly confusing trying to determine how to build a character. But yeah, wasteland 2 is a spot on comparison, as it is an equally confusing and poorly designed character generator.
Big Publishers thought that RPG community would keep buying their "RPGs" regardless of how shitty and DLC-infested they became.
BioWare's utter collapse and abandonment by all but the most skeevy of community members proved that assumption was WRONG. And, surprise surprise, Dudebros who only care about Cawadoody and Madden ONLY CARE ABOUT CAWADOODY AND MADDEN! They don't want to play gay fairy shit with twink elves and fedora wizards.
Publishers don't like seeing developers escape their grasp and make games they want. Fun, GOOD games pose an existential threat to AAA publishers like EA and Ubisoft whose business model became to pump out an overflowing stream of wet, substanceless shit. GOOD GAMES show that SHIT for what it is--SHIT. They want to get control over it again since kickstarter let a few honest developers escape them and start making games people want to play.
>>285456742
>and that all the rooms they've shown so far are so bland as if they've been made with a procedural generator.
they've shown the first two rooms. What did you expect to find in them aside from the typical zombies/skeletons/spiders/wraiths? They're low level areas.
>>285455672
>wizards have to be musclebound if they wanna do damage. barbarians have to be geniuses if they hope to ever hurt somebody wearing armor. all is faggot
yes, and? it is bad because it's not like d&d?
give me a brake, also you sound like a hater
>i have literally never played a game with clunkier combat
try neverwinter nights 2 kid
>and the characters blend into the backgrounds so fucking much, that you cannot tell what is happening
bullshit
>RTwP sucks major ass for this kind of game
bd 2 and icewind dale are here to disagree
nitpicking cunt
>>285455973
>implying Div: OS wasn't good
>implying Shovel Knight wasn't good
>implying Shadowrun wasn't good
>max level is 12
>>285456995
>hater
>kid
end yourself
>>285455672
>i pirated the beta - the post
>>285457064
>Shadowrun
>glorified tablet game
>good
Standers for RPGs really are lower than ever
>>285453458
If you ask if its gonna suck, I dont think so. Its what-you-see-is-what-you-get and will aim for its audience who will enjoy it. I will buy it and I can tell now I will love it.
But will it be BG2-good,or even IWD2-good? I doubt it. I'll miss the powergaming you could pull out of (A)D&D-rules, though.
>>285456995
fuck off ropekid, your game blows
>>285457194
So? First BG had like 8?
>>285457194
>max level in BG1 was 13-15
what's your point?
There's already an expansion in the works for PoE so max level with expansion will probably be around 18 or something.
>>285457418
And there's a reason pretty much everyone thinks BG2 is far better
>>285457284
what, the beta wasn't shit if you paid for it?
>>285457349
>I will buy it and I can tell now I will love it.
you are everything that is wrong with consumerism
>>285457349
>will it be BG2-good?
Nah.It'll be better. At least story-wise.
>>285457513
The point still stands.
>>285457349
I'm not done with BG2, yet. How is IWD1/2? Are they as story driven as BG?
>>285457194
GW1 was 20. Stop chasing big numbers in RPGs.
>>285457546
You played the original release of the beta you mongoloid.
Half the shit you listed has been fixed and/or tweaked.
>Obsidian thread
>it's better than X
>Y is shit
>this game is gonna crush Z
>no one ever talks about the strong points of the game
>it's all about being "better" than others
Elitism at its finest
>>285457609
Icewind Dale games are Baldur's Gate without the plot. They're just dungeon crawlers.
>>285457335
>has adequate mechanics
>has good writing
This has forever and always been the standard for RPGs. You're just butthurt that it was compatible with tablets which is fucking irrelevant.
>>285457625I'm not sure if that is a GW1 sylvani or not, but is there a charr version of that pic?
>RTwP
Why do they do this
>>285457418
More like 7, nah ?
>>285457897
No, it was a shit game mechanically and it baffles me how people could defend it.
The expansion had most of the same problems but at least improved the quality.
>>285457840
>Elitism at its finest
You don't visit RPG codex, do you?
>>285457335
Shadowrun wasn't "Outstanding. But the premise, characters, writing, enviroments, artstyle and even gameplay were pretty much better than 80% of all video game related content nowdays.
>>285458049
That's exactly why I don't visit it.
>>285457964
No. And there are no GW1 Sylvari.
>>285458014
Without expansion? Sure.
>>285457418
your party was usually 5 or 6 at the most by the end of the sword coast expansion. you'd have to do some extreme min-maxing(like playing solo or with only 4 characters) to reach 7 or even 8.
>>285457609
IWD has little plot, but the fights are harder and more tactical. Its for people who cant hear Imoens or Aeries shitty advices any longer and prefer to kill more goblins and orcs.
>>285458107
Only Dragonfall.
>>285456418
Isn't Obsidians reputation: "Those guy with great ideas and talent that release buggy and unfinished games."?
I love Obsidian but I don't think they have a great reputation anywhere.
>>285458182
Nigga a 6 member party can easily reach cap by the end of expansion provided you didn't skip content, and this is without grinding
I'm in the beta, ask me whatever you wish.
>>285458347
It's more "Those guy with great ideas and talent that release buggy and unfinished games because of greedy publishers"
>>285457194
its not DnD
the differences between lvls are bigger
in DnD lvl 2-5 was just the way before you finally reach 5 to use cool stuff, it may be different in PoE
>>285458167
>no sylvani
Did sylvani replace a PC race from GW1?
>>285458493
>i-i'ts always the publisdhers' fault!!!
>>285458412
Is using magic a needlessly complex mess like it is in most D&D games?
>>285458049
RPG codex is a cesspool that makes /b/ look like a place of philosophical debate. Even having something like an attack of opportunity in your game will get it universally panned by that terrible board.
>>285455672
W2 had plenty of dump stats and thresholds every character revolved around. Beside, it was SPECIAL without feats.
>Vancian casting
Let it fucking go holy shit this works in pnp but it's utter shit in CRPGs where you fight 10x the amount of enemies and spend 70% of the time in combat
>>285458645
That's the point anon.
>>285458573b8
>>285458573
Humans were the only playable race in GW.
>>285458373
Fuck, right. My party was 6 when we went into the tower.
>backed the game
>want it to flop because I hate the fanbase
ask me anything
>>285458636
Depends on what you mean by that. I thought the system made enough sense to me. You have a few per-encounters and the rest of your spells are either per-rest (Vancian style) or require a certain amount of points being built up.
>>285458573
Yes. Sylvari in GW2 are a replacement for the human race AND player character at the same time.
>>285458976
Were you born retarded?
>>285458412
Are there dragons? If yes, how cool are they and can you converse with them?
>>285457719
I've played every iteration of the beta and it still isn't very good. If the writing is truly great then the full release might be worth slogging through once, but my hopes of a true successor to BG2 have been soundly dashed.
>>285458976
Why are you such a petty human being?
>>285458976
>>285458347
KOTOR II and NV both fit that description for sure though both were through no fault of their own
>>285459035
Are rest limited?
>>285458636
Essentially yes but to a lesser extent. Your spells are recharged after combat, not per day.
>>285459057
There are dragons. You only meet drakes/wyrms in the beta though.
>>285459056
I blame videogames for that
>>285459142
I just get angry when I see people being excited about something
>>285458674
W2 was literally "breakpoints: the game"
one of the worst stat systems ive seen
Can anyone else still not choose a class to play?
Thinking about pirating the backer beta just to try things out, can only find torrents for old versions though
>>285459323
idgi
>find the races boring
>can't say that without being called a /pol/ faggot
I hope we can recruit those spider people
Did any of you play the demo and still expect that the Obsidian overhauled the whole catastrophic gameplay in several months?
>>285459240
>Your spells are recharged after combat, not per day
Gay and "gamey".
>>285453324
What I don't understand is how people could possibly think this could go horribly wrong and be shit. This is Obsidian, even when they have fuck all time to put out a game they make them at least very good. This has had a full development time, it'll be excellent.
>>285459240
>this pic
beautiful. I want to sleep there every day
>>285459337
I'm afraid you're broken anon. I'm sorry.
>>285459057
There's no fully-grown dragons in the beta area. There's juvenile dragons called wurms that you can fight, but they don't talk.
>>285459237
Yes. You have to buy camping supplies to rest. Wizards, Priests, and Druids do get per-encounter spells that recharge after battle concludes to take the edge off though, so your casters don't feel useless when you're saving their spells.
>>285453324
im totally banking on the fact that this game will be accessable as fuck. always wanted to get into older RPGS but they are obtuse as fuck. graphics dont even bother me, understanding the game balance and playstyle does
>obsidian wanted to make a world of darkness game
>ccp said no because of the mmo
>MMO cancelled
>still not allowing them to buy the IP
It hurts so fucking much guys.
Are there going to be qt crossbreed waifus?
>>285459519
>recolored D&D races
>fags who never played a pnp RPG say is original because they aren't "tolkien races"
Guess thats the average kickstarter cuck.
>>285459579
To be fair what game have they made from the ground up? I love Obsidian games but they're usually sequels/built up from something already established.
>>285459519
>I hope we can recruit those spider people
imagine to share a camp in the wilderness with this guy in your party. I wont sleep for sure
>>285459620
What's the point of resting then?
>>285459578
>"gamey".
wat. It's Pen-&-papery if anything,
>>285459834
Alpha Protocol
>>285459620
>juvenile dragons called wurms
This triggers me.
>>285459850
>It's Pen-&-papery if anything,
Only in 4rd edition, so I'll concede "board gamey" at much.
>expansion already planned before the development of the game was even started
>IT'S OKAY WHEN OBSIDIAN DOES IT
>also let's call it expansion because it sound so retro
>>285459827
>cuck
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
>>285459634
>im totally banking on the fact that this game will be accessable
its not tho. terrible unintuitive character creation and the underlying systems are arcane as fuck
>>285459842
>le HP regeneration
>>285459691
Right now, the WoD license costs CCP next to nothing aside from printing books. Any kind of game production or even renting out the license would cost them money if only in legal fees for the contracts.
>>285460025
To be fair, I said it as a buzzword, since I don't know how to address the kickstarter fags. Investors? Donors? Scammed people?
>>285460035
that's what I've seen from livestreams and such which worries me
>>285459996
they've spent more man-hours figuring out ways to jew the poor beta cucks who loved BG2 out of more dosh then they have making this game playable
rilly makes u think
>>285460074
Can't you just use healing spells if they refill between fights?
>>285459990
>>285459850
>>285459578
Thank God. Sorry but Vancian only works in pnp.
>>285460161
"Emotionally and financially invested dreamers"Like me...
>>285460262
good point
>>285459838
>>285454807
Wasn't the Romance interest supposed to be from this race as fuck you to the players from Avellone?
So can you cheese in this game like you can cheese in BG2?
I remember just summoning a bunch of creatures and getting my main tank with a dancing swords spell and I casted invisibility on him and made him roam around enemies while he's hasted.
>>285459691
>>285460145
CCP will squat on that IP forever, letting poor beta cuck kikesharter kiddys pay for them to publish terribad fanfiction and nothing more
a big greasy shit in the heart of a rich property
>>285459634
This game does have a nice little in-game book of terms that helps explain things better. I think you can click on highlighted words on items and it'll take you to the relevant entries.
>>285459842
You have an HP and an Endurance bar. The Endurance bar protects you from HP damage, but once it runs out you get knocked out and start to take HP damage. Endurance regenerates, but HP does not and if your HP is low, it limits the amount of Endurance you can regenerate. Resting fully heals your character and is the only way to do so without spending a talent to get a weak ability that restores a little HP per rest.
>>285460436
not just from that race, it was her herself
or ratherxir xirself
>>285460316
>Vancian
Is really good? Seem that /tg/ are into it, but /tg/ is shit since years ago.
>>285455973
>>285459838
That's the kind of characters I like, the more alien they are the more interesting the interactions with them should be
>>285460490
i love having 2 take a six-week course in stereo repair just 2 stab a orc
top kek
>>285460161
You're only scammed if you feel like you're scammed, right?
>>285460161
>I don't know how to address the kickstarter fags. Investors? Donors? Scammed people?
Patrons. Crowdfunding is patronage, not investment, not a pre-order.
>>285460684
>/tg/ is shit since years ago
yeah what happened? it used 2 b great and then i go to juvie for 18 months and it's shit?!??
>>285460446
no, sadly not
the possibility to cheese your way through the game had an immense replay value
Obsidian already said 'there is no bad decisions' for example in the character generator. sucks ass, but lets see what we can do with items once we know more
>fucking Unity
I am scared
>>285460909
>yeah what happened?
Retarded moderation.
>>285460452
Maybe this game will sell incredibly well and draft in a huge normie brigade like Skyrim so Obsidian are rich and can make CCP an offer they can't refuse. That can happen right?!
>>285460684
Vancian is god-tier in potential. But the D&D implementation of Vancian is an utter munchkin abomination.
>>285460948
I really don't see why resorting in cookie cutter overpowered tactics makes a game better.
>>285460765
You should definitely take some levels in INT, anyway.
>>285459963
Wurms have 4 legs.
>>285461081
>>285460909
There was a purge. It purged some shit and everything good. Now only quest threads remain.
>>285453324
March is fun be gud for kickstarter folk. This AND my Wakfu BDs. What more could a man want in life?
Just need TiTS 2 and I would be in pure bliss.
>>285461137
because it appeals to your inner animalistic instinct to max out your gameplay
>>285459963
>filename
kek'd, if I didn't catch that I would have responded, too.
>>285461284
is this from PoE?
solid design
>>285453458
there won't be any romances so no
>>285454264
/v/ turned on obsidian years ago. What do you mean?
>>285460948
>'there is no bad decisions'
so there is also no right decisions
>>285461284
>4 legs
Then they aren't wurms/wyrms/worms.
>>285461554
Like a grimdark Spyro.
>>285461559
>romances
>not the cancer killing RPGs
>>285461559
Has this been confirmed?
>>285459842
For your big spells and abilities that aren't per encounter and restoring HP.
>>285459578
Yeah it's much better to have the player rest their party for 8 hours after every major fight in this deadly castle filled with monsters
>>285461624
exactly
>>285461559
how is that bad? I once loved to fuck Veconia after long conversations, but puberty ended.
If I want romance I play visual novels or DA:Swinger-simulator
>>285461419
Reiterating the old stereotype that casters and minmaxers have to break everything over and over again got tiring for me. It's the reason why I liked Drakensang so much, even with its flaws: casters are good, can be decent fighters, but wounds hurt a lot, so martials can be useful too.
>>285459838
remove spider
>>285461826
Yes, I am sure that those 20 minutes of optional scenes in a game that requires hours to complete are the real problem and not the lack of interesting gameplay, choices and storyline.
>>285461936
AD&D was always terrible for video games, but that isn't a reason to use a crappy system.
How about power point management like Rolemaster? Too hard for "gamers" I guess.
>>285461832
dont worry bro,you can still pay and fuck fantasy hoes
>>285461832
Yeah. Way back during the initial KS campaign.
>>285461936
I like how you could take a 4 day nap before shit that was supposed to be urgent in BG 2. "Irenicus is fucking some dudes up right now? Hang on now, I gotta just heal this broken leg. Give me two months."
>>285461813
They aren't wyrms. They're Wurms.
>>285461832
Yes, it has.
>>285461559
>>285461826
Avellone already talked about how he doesn't like the typical 'romance' that people asks for. If he had to write any, he prefers to write about tragic/unrequited romance
>>285461832
romances are gross pandering and sexist
meanwhile making fun of people with mental problems with a low int run is OK
>>285462074
Including romances is a substitute for substance. Just take a look at /vg/, see if any of the RPG general discusses anything OTHER than waifus.
