Are there any video game protagonists who aren't psychopaths?
>>284708734
>link smashes vases and mario eats mushrooms DDDD like drugs
The protagonists arent psychopaths, you are
>>284708734
if you broke their pots and stole their shit, it was you who were the psychopath.
literally fight club
>>284708848
>>284708879
Nah I'm pretty sure in cutscenes and vidya trailers, they're the ones controlling themselves.
>>284708925
source please
easy mode: does not have to be zelda
>>284708925
Link never does anything psychopathic in cutscenes.
le what if Zelda was real face
>>284709341
Lets lay off zelda for a second here.....Personally I don't care for the whole argument "u did it, ur the one controlling him!!!' in the first place.
>>284709445
Then why the fuck are you replying?
>.....
Really?
>>284709547
Why am I replying? I made the thread idiot, you're the one who was responding to my post.
>>284709779
Then i guess we answered your question.
>>284709445
>Personally I don't care for the whole argument "u did it, ur the one controlling him!!!' in the first place.
Because it debunks what you're saying?
If I play OoT and never break anyone's stuff my Link was a 100% good guy. You can also play as a Link with a crippling addiction to pot smashing, this is where role playing comes into almost all games.
If you want to ignore player controlled actions Link never does anything psychopathic in cutscenes. I won't lay off Zelda because it's an obvious example and one you provided so deal with it.
Link kills things, many of which could be called people, and he never shows any signs of remorse or hesitation.
>>284710578
Link rarely kills things that are obviously sentient unless he has to. It's almost entirely fauna and monsters.
Humans can't be killed, green Deku Scrubs can't be killed, many bosses are corrupted people who are okay afterwords.
The closest thing I can think of is river zoras who were just monsters until ALBW gave them a queen or whatever.
>>284711208
>Humans can't be killed
Sakon can
>>284711582
No.
>>284711891
He absolutely can be
>>284712048
Oh right, shooting with an arrow.
I'd like to think that's a mistake by Link though.
>>284711208
Moblins and Bokoblins have some sense of self-preservation and pattern recognition, and apparently they can even read and write in Wind Waker.
>>284712174
It's definitely meant to be a surprise for the player, but after doing it once you could intentionally do it again knowing it'll happen making you a murderer.
You could argue that killing Sakon stops you from getting all the masks so it isn't a canon action.
>>284712592
You can't get all the masks in one cycle anyway, so what's your point? It can happen so it canonically does happen, even though he survives in the best timeline
>>284709445
>"Why is X the case?"
>[Refutation of X]
>"I don't care for that argument
You're a drooling retard
>>284712780
I'm not talking about cycles I'm talking about the end game with everything 100% complete. There's no reason that wouldn't be THE ending, the most proper Link.
![SOTL-PAX-Screenshots-2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NCYdDlr.jpg "SOTL-PAX-Screenshots-2[1].jpg")
>>284708734
>Are there any video game protagonists who aren't psychopaths?
Oh wait, I get it now!
>>284713154
So since Link can't get all the masks in one cycle, he doesn't have them in the most proper ending? Which means he doesn't have access to the Fierce Deity Mask
>>284713324
Walker did nothing wrong.
>>284713558
Why the fuck are you assuming everything would be done in one cycle? The game is about time travel.
>>284713558
No, the proper ending is Link having reset time over and over to get every mask. This means that not everything he's done will have happened, but he will have experienced it. So even if Sakon is alive, Link still killed him in a different loop. He's still a murderer.
>>284713734
I'm just curious because you're saying there's absolutely no way in any cycle would Link kill Sakon maliciously
>>284712541
They also shoot canon balls, or try to gut him with their weapons too.
>>284713758
This is like a philosophical question now.
Are you still a criminal if you reverse time so that the consequences reset yet retain the knowledge and memory of the crime?
Answers on a postcard.
>arguing about morality in Zelda
>>284713809
No I didn't, you could totally do that and your Link would be a murderer.
>It's definitely meant to be a surprise for the player, but after doing it once you could intentionally do it again knowing it'll happen making you a murderer.
I just said the canon Link wouldn't.
>>284712541
They're trying to kill Link, though. Hence "unless he needs to." Things like the business scrubs get mercy as soon as they surrender.
>>284713046
If you think it's such a great answer, you can repost it the next 85 times i make this thread until I get a decent answer.
>>284714032
Yes, because you still committed the crime. It's like people who get away with murder. They don't face the consequences but are still murderers
>>284713997
If a guy pulled a knife on you and you killed them in self-defense, you would still have some emotional reaction. If not, there's a very good chance you are a legitimate psychopath.
>>284708734
No, because every single one is actually us, who are completely removed from the "reality" of the game, meaning every single action a character performs is deliberate and a result of means-ends reasoning because we're controlling their actions.
Unless you're pathetically autistic and project so hard onto a video game that you have genuine emotional reactions to the situations characters are in.
>>284714087
>canon Link
Except he can perform the action, so logically canon Link would have at one point during the many cycles murdered Sakon. It's just not in the proper 100% cycle
>>284714147
How about you actually rebut it if you don't think it works instead of just going "DUHH NOPE"
>>284714183
But surely by the time Link is capable of killing Sakon, he knows that he can just reverse time and bring him back. He's doing something knowing that it will have no consequence.
>>284713758
>Link? What are you doing?
>I'm taking this loop off Navi.
>I'm Tatle...
>Can't hear you. Too busy fishing.
I can imagine Link going ground hog day. Who know maybe it want on like that for years.
>>284714147
Explain why it's not a good answer and people will stop posting it
>>284712048
>>284711582
Link didn't kill him.
He just ran away really really really fast.
>>284714032
I would argue no. It becomes nothing more than an incredibly elaborate fantasy.
>>284714374
Okay, so if Link decided to rape Romani because he knows that he can just reset time and there will be no consequence, is he not a bad guy?
>>284714348
Well if you're so insecure in your answer maybe you should think about it. You know? use your head.
>>284714401
Sakon was banished to the shadow realm
>>284714374
Well now we need to get into why murder is bad. Is it just because they're dead afterwards? Sakon didn't seems to have any friends or family who would care that he was gone. If killing is wrong because of the pain and terror it causes the victim in the moments before they die, then it's still bad to kill if you can reverse time. And that's not even getting into the possibility of some split timeline bullshit.
>>284714308
>Except he can perform the action, so logically canon Link would have at one point during the many cycles murdered Sakon.
What kind of dumbass logic is this
>>284711208
Humans are fauna.
>>284714308
What? Logically canon Link is a perfect hero. How the fuck is it logical that a small boy intentionally murdered someone because he could get away with it?
It can happen butt just because time travel is involved it doesn't mean it will. If it happens it's because a murderous player made it happen.
The hunters in Monster Hunter are basically pest control. If you read the flavor text you see most of the quests are "holy shit, a wyvern came down and is wrecking our shit. Get it outta here"
>>284714818
>>284714758
Everything in the game happened. Are you disputing that Link didn't play the games in Clock Town or complete any of the temples?
>>284714625
No he isn't because it didn't happen
Also Link never did that so it's irrelevant
>>284714625
Maybe.
>>284714758
Quantum logic.
>>284714974
Killing Sakon doesn't have to happen, there's no positive outcome of it.
Cutting the bag gets you the blast mask.
Failing to catch him gets you the bomb bag.
You gain nothing by killing him because murder is bad.
>>284715152
You get the bomb bag either way. What you do get though is the All-Night Mask.
>>284714625
>rape
>Romani
She wants the Link D
>>284715152
It doesn't HAVE to happen, but it CAN and therefore it DOES at some point during Link's many cycles, whether it's an accident or with malicious intent on Link's part
>>284714632
I'm not the guy who gave the answer. But I do see that it answers your question.
You don't have to smash a single pot when you play OoT. Your weak-ass cutscene response was shot down immediately since you don't do anything psycho in cutscenes. Ergo Link is not a psychopath, the player is.
What's the flaw in this reasoning? There isn't one, you're just beating around the bush because you can't think of a response.
>>284715152
>Link doesn't have to win the lottery, there's no positive outcome of it because rupees are worthless in this game
>>284715307
The time travel in MM isn't quantum fucking multiverse shit. Link's "many cycles" are just however many it takes you to beat the game and will probably total under 100 for most people.
>>284715307
>it doesn't HAVE to happen, but it CAN and therefore it DOES
Wanna know what else can happen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOjk2AYbYeU
>>284714625
He's could be stuck in the loop for years. If he's mentally a teenager or adult, he's probably going to be raping Cremia. And I'll stand by it: if there's no long-term consequences, why not?
>>284715328
K. remember to save that to clipboard for the next 80 threads I make or until I get bored.
>>284715636
It happened to me at least once.
>>284715603
tfw playing the song of time is leaving that termina timeline's inhabitants to die
>>284715661
I would rape Cremia on my first cycle.
>>284715636
There is a timeline where Link gets defeated in OoT. Are you saying it's absolutely impossible to have a timeline where Link fails in Majora's Mask?
>>284715009
>Quantum logic.
Retarded logic more like.
The many worlds interpretation of Quantum theory (which is retarded anyway but fuck it) applies to ALL people, objects and events. So saying "well he would have in some universe" would apply to ANYONE and thus not be informative in any way.
Link's cycles in MM are NOT the same as sliding between quantum worlds because by definition the border of a universe in the latter model is a universe that CANNOT be interacted with. You're applying a model you don't really understand to MM where it doesn't fit.
If you actually applied the many-worlds interpretation to MM it would actually be more like this: there are infinite Links which have had infinite VARIATIONS of MM's cycle-travelling journey. There are an infinite number where he did everything, where he did nothing, where he did 1 cycle and where he did a million cycles. There are infinite Links who killed Sakon and there are infinite Links who didn't.
But again, this is not informative about Link as a character because by the same model Sakon killed himself, Romani killed Sakon and any other combination of murders happened in SOME universe. It doesn't apply to Link any more than them just because he can go back in time. So it's a pedantic, obfuscating and stupid thing to bring in.
>>284715603
>under 100 destroyed worlds
>probably less than 10,000 mangled corpses lying in the singed ruins of Termina
oh well I guess that's fine then.
>>284714625
Are you saying you wouldn't?
>>284716035
It's possible that timeline can exist
But it doesn't
I think we're all forgetting the true psychopathic protagonist in video games.
This guy eats everything in sight, some of his victims are just regular innocent dreamlanders who have no affiliation with the enemy. Not only does he eat them, he devours their flesh, turns their soul into a star, and spits it out, killing other unsuspecting dreamlanders. If his victim has a power, he swallows them and steals their soul to temporarily gain that power.
Kirby, man. No one fucks with him.
>>284715001
>>284715661
>>284715953
>>284716128
Wow, you people are disgusting. Everything I read about you was spot on.
>>284716194
It doesn't because that's a bad fucking end. It's possible, but there would be no games set in that timeline because the moon literally fell out of orbit and crashed into the fucking world
Why is he so perfect?
>>284716046
good post
>>284716035
Well tecnically yeah. OOT canoncally splits up into three timelines and one is indeed where link dies. However in order for the rest of the games in that timeline to make sense, with Shade in TP and all, Link has to survive and later become a stalfos. In other words it can happen, but it didn't. Just because something can happen doesn't it has happened.
>>284716046
>>284716046
lol u just confessed to murder in at least one universe
>>284708919
I always wonder why Link's transformations all needed a skirt/loincloth to cover his junk when all other deku, gorons, and zora don't. Makes me wonder if his human dong stays when he transforms.
>>284716312
So you're admitting that it didn't happen?
>>284716469
Nigga he confessed to murder in infinite universes.
>>284716420
The timeline where Link beats Majora goes off into TP and all the rest. The timeline where he fails just ends, because game fucking over
>>284716520
It did happen, see
>>284715636
>>284714818
Link forced WindMill Guy into his trauma knowing perfectly what he was doing in OoT.
Canon Link is a dick
>>284716312
We've got two timelines where the moon fell because Link either died or left that timeline: Downfall and Adult.
>>284716252
>>284716517
They needed to retain some of the iconic the tunic but show that the other creatures are very different to Link. Their cultures are generally more tribalistic than the human one so a bare chest helps convey that.
>>284716618
I meant to say that anon, Link has to beat Majora for the timeline makes sense. There's no possible way he would've died in MM.
>>284716702
Ok, but is that ending canon?
>>284716741
We don't know what happened in Termina there.
Since it is a parallel universe it could also be out of the timeline split, therefor having only to be saved once.
And that would also explain the Wind Waker Tingle paradox
>>284716886
As canon as the Hero Fails timeline is, there's just no games set after ityet
>>284716420
Just because there hasn't been a game in that timeline yet doesn't mean it hasn't happened. The logic for why there's a Downfall timeline could be applied to any moment in the series if they decide they wanted to make a Downfall offshoot for Skyward Sword or something.
LINK KILLS SAKON
THE MOON FALLS
Can we agree that both of these links can and did happen at least once?
>>284714682
>have a miniature replica of the Master Sword
>taking off the dust
>reminding SS
>now I can't get our around my head that I'm touching Fi's legs every time I clean it
Dammit SS, I didn't need a sword fetish
>>284717210
Link could kill Sakon and save the world but if the moon falls Link is dead/killed by it so that can't happen.
>>284717108
But a game can't take place after Majora's Mask's bad end
Unless they decide to make LoZ in space.
>>284717432
Stick it up your urethra
>>284717468
Just because a game doesn't take place after a bad end doesn't mean it isn't canon
>>284717468
A moon falling into the planet wouldn't destroy the planet completely. Also, it only destroyed Termina, which is quite possibly an entire different dimension to Hyrule.
Why did Link not say anything about all the reused assets? Isn't it pretty weird buying potions and getting boat rides from witches who tried to kill you previously?
>>284717602
Then what does make something non cannon?
>>284717647
>A moon falling into the planet wouldn't destroy the planet completely
But it and the aftermath would probably kill everything on the planet
>Termina, which is quite possibly an entire different dimension to Hyrule
Point taken
>>284717108
I could claim that there's a timeline after Mario 64 where Mario dies and Bowser rules over the entire kingdom, making Peach his Queen. It just hasn't happened yet, but it might if they DO decide to make a Mario game based on that potential scenario. It just doesn't make sense to say something has happened when it hasn't actually been shown to happen yet.
>>284708835
lol isn't that epic though?
Biker from Hotline Miami. He was killing criminals as a means to get himself out of a conspiracy, and didn't hurt Richter or the chinese restaurant owner.
You can say he slaughtered the Phonehom guys but that's player choice, and Jacket was fucked in the head when he showed up so we have no way of relying on his narrative.Too bad it's not canon ;_;
>>284717871
Mario hasn't been established to have a timeline that operates under these mechanics. Zelda has.
Tommy Vercetti
>>284717975
>Zelda has
No, Zelda has been established to have exactly 3 timelines. Your fanfiction isn't canon.
AlsoPartners in Time :^D
>>284717975
Zelda also has a timeline that shows there's only one ending to MM. Why you would assume anything else is valid is beyond me.
>>284717975
>Mario hasn't been established to have a timeline
Just because it doesn't have a game in another timeline doesn't mean that timeline isn't canon :^)
>>284717647
Also the Moon in Termina is fucking tiny and shouldn't have even caused the explosion it did, given it's size and velocity.
Just maybe it'svideogames and doesn't have to make actual scientific sense you autists
>>284718095
Because the game shows the moon crashing.
>>284718061
Partners in Time was only about time travel, not any of this Downfall timeline "well if the hero fails here..." stuff.
>>284718102
I'm extrapolating information based on the knowledge we've been given.
>>284717975
True anon, I was just trying to make an example. You can't say something has happened when it hasn't. Even if it's possible for Link to die in MM, he canonically didn't. Not to mention that even if there is a timeline where link fails there'd be no game to follow afterward, considering the Earth would be kill.
>>284718328
The knowledge we've been given is that 3 timelines exist
>>284718328
>Because the game shows the moon crashing.
Yeah in the game over screen which kicks you back to a checkpoint or the last time you saved, I don't remember which.
Anyway the point is that the moon falling doesn't actually happen, Link doesn't song of time outta there at the last second. What happens is the game does a Sands of Time and goes "That's not what happened, try again."
>>284718752
The same thing happens if you die In Ocarina of Time, and yet there is a timeline for that. Because, according to the official timeline, alternate universes are created when different things can happen, like Link or Ganondorf winning their battle. Or like Link succeeding or failing to stop the moon.
>>284719064
I get what you're saying but there just simply isn't one on the timeline. That's the end of it until they add one but they won't because it's unnecessary.
>>284708734
>I Am Bread
>Mr. Mosquito
>Protag of any Pokemon game
>Sonic the Hedgehog (Genesis games)
>Phoenix Wright
>Professor Layton
>Diddy Kong
>I can't think of any more at the moment
>>284719474
The tumblrtard who made this thread got triggered and left
Now we're discussing whether or not the moon killed everyone in Majora's Mask
Protip:It didn't
The frog in Frogger just wants to cross the road man.
>>284719702
I see. In that case:
Of course the moon didn't kill everyone. My copy of Hyrule Historia is at my parents' house because my mom and little sister wanted to borrow it, but doesn't it explicitly show timelines that follow MM?
>>284719702
Technically you play the ocarina the istant before blowing up, otherwise you wouldn't play it in the first place.
So no, you "saved" them everytime.
>>284719419
I can agree to that.
>>284719962
>doesn't it explicitly show timelines that follow MM?
Yes, but try explaining that to
>>284719064
>>284719993
Nah bro Link just gets literally blown the fuck out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER9X67a_GII
The moon falling still doesn't happen because it's the same as Link dying any other way.
>>284714183
But the person he killed is no longer dead in the time in which he currently is.
>>284720056
You're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that the moon falling is the one true ending or anything like that. I'm just saying that it is an ending that can happen.
>>284719064
Here's the thing though: if the Moon hits Termina, everyone dies. There's no one left. So for the sake of argument, IF there is an alternate universe where the moon hits, then it's empty. Even reincarnation can't help you when there's no-one being born for you to reincarnate into. The moon crashing would end the timeline permanently.
>>284718517
that was fast
Are you saying there's three different timelines for OoT: Child, Adult, and Stuck in Water Temple, but there's no failed MM timeline?
>>284720641
Yeah. It would be an empty, lifeless timeline, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't exist.
>>284720958
If there is no-one to observe time, does time exist?
>>284720641
It's a timeline, there's just no games set after it
>>284721152
The tardigrades would be there.
>>284721152
I was walking through the woods one day and a tree fell right in front of me. I didn't hear it
>>284721263
Yet time is a human concept, defined and recorded by humans. Therefore, the question only applies to humans and human concepts. Question stands.
>>284721280
Are you deaf or was it one of those freak accidents?
>>284721152
>>284721280
I'm deaf btw
>>284721585
I suppose you could argue that, in a way, nothing would exist if humans weren't here to observe it.
>>284721585
If time is only defined and recorded by humans why do animals die of old age?
