Does it still hold up?
Charmingly. The only official Smash title that a majority of people won't get up in arms over.
Its the super turbo of smash.
I heard Isai likes it.is he still a depressed fuck?
I think each Smash Bros is a unique experience, they all do something differently, they don't become obsolete with sequels.
What I like about Smash 64 is that the cast is small enough that balance is less of an issue. Obviously you have great characters like Pikachu and meh characters like Samus, but I can pick up and play any character and don't feel like I'm being forced into a tier group.
Smash 64 also has my favorite versions of the original 12. Donkey Kong, Kirby, Yoshi, Jigglypuff, etc. The only exception is probably Luigi, who gets more distinct with each game.
VS FIGHTING POLYGON TEAM
>>284474039
better than meele
Why do you think melee players hate brawl and sm4sh, but generally like or are indifferent to 64?
Source: I'm a meleefag but I'm wondering what you guys think.
still the best fighting game ever made
>>284476247
I have no idea, it's horribly unbalanced, 64 is easily he worst game in the series simply because it's the oldest.
>>284477392
>unbalanced
>implying meele isn't worse
having many characters doesn't make a good game
>>284476247
Because, contrary to popular belief, melee players don't dislike brawl and 4 because they aren't melee. They actually dislike those games because they aren't as fun to play once you figure out how the game works.
64 and Melee the fun only goes up as you learn the nuances of the engine and the game itself.
Brawl and 4 give a "well, that sucks" feeling as you learn more about it.
>>284477487
This is pretty much right on the money
>>284477487
I don't know, I'm still love Sm4sh and I'm a meleefag.
>>284477870
I'm aprojectM fagbut and I love Sm4sh. But I'm not gonna act like it's perfect at what it's doing.
If they added literally 5 more frames of hitstun across the board it would be a lot more reward to play. Without changing anything that makes Sm4sh unique
best hitsounds
best stage music
>tfw new smash games will never bring back smash 64 music or make new music in its style
Ask Isai
>>284478263
This. At least they kept some stages from it. Great Fox is one of my alltime favourites.
>>284478263
oh man I agree. Shit sounded like 90s anime, it was glorious.
I can hear all the zoops and clashes now
>>284477487
>They actually dislike those games because they aren't as fun to play once you figure out how the game works.
Then they should really, really hate 64 because of the dated mechanics and lack of options.
>>284478083
>If they added literally 5 more frames of hitstun across the board it would be a lot more reward to play
No, all that would do is make the already top-tier characters even better. Characters like Diddy and Sheik can already chase you with little effort, this would make that even easier and near-impossible for you to escape. 5 frames of hitstun isn't going to magically create combos when half the cast's moves have 20 frames of lag and can't be followed with anything anyway because there's too much knockback.
>>284477392
>64 is easily he worst game in the series simply because it's the oldest.
Stick to Pokemon, you're out of your element.
>>284474039
Literally nobody ever talks about it
People even talk more about brawl
>>284474039
64 is great, definitely started a 2 game legacy.
>>284478263
>>284478661
Can't get over the fact that they brought back fucking Congo Jungle 64 instead of actually popular or requested stages. Smash 4's stage selection overall sucked dicks.
>>284478796
The SFX in Smash 64 actually vary between US and JP releases. In the JP game they're more regular punch and kick sounds, while in the US it's bowling pin styled sound effects.
>Does an old, dated game still hold up
You answered your own question
>>284476247
because the first in a series people buy is always their favorite.
>>284478869
>Then they should really, really hate 64 because of the dated mechanics and lack of options.
No because the game still works in its own vacuum.
I don't know how to explain it other than that.
64 is seriously the best in the series.
64 is the queen of Smash
Melee is the king of Smash
>>284478324
This is what I call balanced combos.
>>284480715
Well, you know the rules.
"Don't get hit."
Yeah man I love playing with characters made of ten polygons at 3 fpsit's still bretty fun
>>284474039
Yes. One of the only games I played my freshman semester with my friends. We never got bored of it and it was always interesting,
better than Smash 4
>>284481762
Niggas don't get this and it amazes me to no end.
The combo is the reward for getting the hit.
>>284484126
I thought the damage was the reward
>>284484497
Well the damage is the combo. But it's more about getting to do a fun combo as the player.
>>284484631
So you wouldn't care about damage as long as it looks cool?
>>284477487
this. In Melee and 64, whenever you pick up a new skill or learn more about the game, it's like "Wow that's so cool!"
meanwhile what were Brawl's most powerful techniques? ledgestalling and camping. you can figure out how to do them very very very effectively but once you do it's like "this is pretty homo"
>>284484942
No. More that it was fun to do. But damage plays a factor as well.
No one wants to watch getting wobbled but I'll be damned if it wasn't a blast to do successfully.
>>284477487
>Brawl and 4 give a "well, that sucks" feeling as you learn more about it.
Highly agree
Meanwhile the lack of airdodges in 64 leads to some crazy shit you can pull off with the proper spacing and openers. That game has combos unlike any other game in the series, and I love it for that.
>>284482198
>at 3 fps
every Smash game ever runs at 60 fps you bimbus
>>284484126
and then it becomes a fucking campfest
>>284485321
If the game rewards defense over offense, that's exactly what happens.
LikeBrawland sometimes sm4sh
>>284485463
64 is debatably just as campy as either of those two games for the exact opposite reason, because defense is so shitty and punishes are so extreme that people don't approach because they don't want to overcommit. Melee probably strikes the best balance in this regard because the risk-reward ratio for approaching is more even and even there you have outliers (Armada's Young Link vs. Hbox's Jigglypuff).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiQp5w-9IAE
>>284485290
Smash 64 only does in 1v1.
>>284475523
>tfw beating fighting polygon team as Link on very hard with no tomatoes, hearts, or deaths
>>284486995
>Armada's Young Link vs. Hbox's Jigglypuff
that's really not even much of an outlier. any matchup between two of the following characters is pretty much bound to be a snoozefest: puff, peach, Samus, sheik, Ice Climbers not named Wobbles
>>284484942
this is the problem I have when playing this game with people worse than me
yes, I could knock you off and camp at the edge and not let you back on and the match would be over in a few minutes and you'd not want to play anymore because it's boring as hell to just lose and not be able to do anything.
or I could make it fun and only try to do cool shit despite doing a lot worse overall.
people always get mad because I'm not playing at 100% and they think I'm an ass because of it, all I'm trying to do is make the game more fun
if you edge guard in this game you should be burned at the stake, it's like kicking a guy in the nuts while he's down
>>284486995
That video honestly isn't really a fair example because there was no time limit. A lot of games would turn out like this if matches weren't timed. No time limit means no incentive to approach, especially if you're ahead.
>>284485217
>playing Link and getting people from 0 to 250 in the lower part of Hyrule Castle
>>284488487
>Le ebin edgeguard is scrubby meme
git gud.
>>284489016
I let edgeguarding fags back on and still win
>>284489451
edgaurding is part of the game and nothing is bad about it, its like trying to saying punishing a guy for wiffing an attack is faggotry.
>>284490019
Clinching in boxing is part of the game too but it's just as scummy
>>284490019
I'd rather let the guy back on and keep playing
>>284477392
oddly enough, 64 is actually the most balanced out of the bunch.
Yes Pikachu is the best character in the game. but he' wishes he was Metaknight, or Brawl ICs. Yes, Samus is the worst but ever character in the game had multiple viable options.
>>284490478
or you could edgeguard and just play another game after winning
if you're going to play like that you might as well never try to do combo, or just run away forever to make the game last longer
>>284490478
I'd rather not punish mistakes and keep playing
I'd rather not attack them and keep playing
>>284489451
yeah I bet you could win against m2k lol
>>284488487
>if you edge guard in this game you should be burned at the stake, it's like kicking a guy in the nuts while he's down
Yeah, trying to win in a competitive game is pure faggotry.
I only play by taunting repeatedly, anything else is just unfair.
>>284488675
64 matches don't have a timer
Hell yes. Sm4sh is a pile of shit in comparison. (It's a pile of shit regardless, but still). The attacks actually feel like they hit hard. It's actuallyfun.
>>284491002
>>284491145
combos are fun and look cool, edgeguarding is scummy and boring, there's a difference between kicking ass and kicking someone while their on the ground
I'd rather knock someone off into the distance then push them off the edge and not let them back up
>>284491753
This is the scrubbiest, most arbitrary thing I've read in any of these threads and that's saying a lot. The game fucking tells you to edgeguard in the How to Play video.
>>284479528
Can confirm. That's why I like Silent Hill 4 the most out of the originals.
>>284491753
>edgeguarding is scummy and boring
I don't agree, edgeguarding is really interesting on a fundamental level because of recovery mixups and the need for reading and timing
>kicking someone while their on the ground
if you land a combo, that's kicking someone while they're on the ground
you already hit them, it's totally unfair for you to do more damage because of that!
Edgeguarding is an intentional and important part of the game, ignoring it from some misguided sense of honor or coolness is ridiculous
>>284491753
this is the absolute definition of what a scrub is
>>284491753
>>284474039
Yes. It's not all about Melee like Smash 4 kiddies want you to believe. Somebody posts some 64 webms.
>>284492364
>>284492136
>>284491953
I'd be motivated to play "better" if I wasn't winning every match anyways
>>284491753
>edgeguarding is scummy and boring
I'd argue that getting a low % kill through edgeguarding is waaay more satisfying than fighting up to 100+% and getting a straight KO
>>284493026
go to tournaments or something then
>>284493078
I totally would if there were ever any near me and I could make time to go. the only time I've ever seen Smash 64 at a nerd convention I was playing it for the whole day. everyone who sat down would say they're super good at it and pick pikachu because he's the best character and try to edgeguard and shit.I only lost one match because the kid was a fag and played with items on and I let him grab three hearts
>>284479528
False. I played Infamous 2 first, but Second Son is my favorite.
>>284493489
Wow you're a real Isai, you'd totally be able to win Apex
>>284493489
where do you live, gaylord. unless you're on some kind of Pacific island or eastern europe or some country under sharia law, you have a scene
>>284493860
I'm in CT, gimme a site to find tournaments
I literally just sold my smash 3ds, smash wii u, and brawl.
I have 0 fun when I play any of those games. 64 smash and melee never get old.f-fight me
>>284494052
Hall of Gaming in Wallingford has Melee/PM tournaments every week
>>284494230
do they have smash64? that's the only one I play
>>284494316
I don't know, but if you think you're above edgeguarded then you're going to be absolutely demolished by whatever niche scene there is that still plays 64.
