Hi, we're the most broken things in our game!
>>284463448
>no Axe call
>no blink dagger
>no euls scepter
>no helm of the dominator
>undying being good outside of year beast
>>284463448
>tomb stone
u wot m8
Is that Shrapnel?
>>284463448
What is Drunken Brawler?
What is "ZIP ZOP HAHA! PUDDIN POP!"
>>284463586
Blink isn't broken, it's great the way it is now. I'd agree with euls and that's it.
>shrapnel
>tomb
>void
>broken
Haha, jesus christ.
>>284463586
Yeah you're right, I forgot Axe call.
The rest of that seems fine to me.
Maybe blink should get one more second on its cool down when you take damage.
>>284463754
Yes
>>284463712
Yeah, huge range, heavy slow, the tombstone is tankier than most heroes for until deep into mid game, affects all enemies at once.
It's insane, it's like having a whole new teammate
>>284463869
>Blink isn't broken
how is an item that is good on literally everyone not broken?
>>284463448
how does it feel being 2k
>>284463871
How the fuck is Shrapnel broken
You know whats "broken" or poorly designed?
Bottle.
I hate items that are good on every hero, blink being an exception
>>284463958
So? A great part of the mid heroes have bottle, is it broken? Everyone gets boots, are they broken?
Blink isn't broken, it fucking sucked when it had mana cost.
>>284463448
>Sharpnel is broken
:^)
>>284463958
>get grazed for 1hp
>can't blink
So OP
>>284464013
>>284464174
It was fine before the uneeded buff it got.
>>284463871
>Yeah, huge range, heavy slow, the tombstone is tankier than most heroes for until deep into mid game, affects all enemies at once.
It's insane, it's like having a whole new teammate
I am 3k mmr. Fixed that for you
Undying is utter shit in the current meta. Literally 0 times picked in competitiv dota and one of the least played heroes overall
>>284463958
because it costs 2250 gold, has no build up, gives no stats or other benefit and is useless against DoT heroes
>>284464281
Good counter argument.
>Giving a shit about competitive play
Try having a brain of your own you sheep
>>284464174
Shrapnel is pretty good after the buff. He has been seeing pro play a fair amount since the buff.
Only in Memebeast is Undying good.
>>284464273
Shrapnel sucks unless you're going full fuck towers mode though
>>284464273
>shrapnell was fine
>wasnt even skilled in 99% of all competitiv sniper pics
>fine
holy shit you are deep down in the trench my friend
>>284464474
Shrapnel doesnt damage towers anymore, anon.
>>284464410
Sharpnel is good. It isn't broken.
>>284464474
It doesn't even hurt towers anymore. Do you even know why it's good?
>>284464530
Holy shit really?
How the fuck is Shrapnel broken?
>>284464498
Even in competitive now, it is still skilled as a one point wonder.
>>284464617
>>284464474
>Don't keep up with the game
>Talk shit like you do.
Oh, /v/.
>>284464406
You are right m8 :^)
Undying is one of the least picked heroes with bottom 10 winrate overall, because people havent figured out how good tomb stone actually is XDD
>>284464617
Why are you trying to evaluate an ability that you don't even know what does?
>>284464617
You can fire 3 sharpnels at once time. They are now charges which replenish every 40 seconds.
>>284464685
>>284464749
I'm genuinely curious. I've played maybe ten games after the map change update and must not have played with a Sniper
What does Shrapnel do now? Back when I played I only took 1 point in it to sometimes get vision.
>>284464803
You don't read patch notes?
>>284464803
1800 cast range 3 charge aoe that slows. Basically it is impossible to run away from him.
>>284464976
I don't internalize changes to heroes I don't play for a game I play in spurts
>>284465030
Especially when you take into consideration his passive that slows
>>284465116
>laning against sniper
>he takes one level of Headshot
>proc proc proc proc proc
Every fucking time
>>284465128
>Implying it isn't
What are professional gamblers.
>>284464918
Shrapnel is now Riki bullets.
>>284465191
It thankfully doesn't mini-stun now, so you might be able to tp out in time. You have to treat him like bloodseeker now where you can't run from him.
>>284465191
The old passive was way worse. Late game sniper could literally solo qop and antimage by keeping them stunlocked.
>>284465128
This image needs a swag version of Ogre on it saying "Deal with it".
>>284465030
>running away from sniper
>not just nuking his 720HP low health pool
>not just hitting him because he does shit for damage without proper items
>not just getting him with his pants off because even if he sees you coming he has no way of escaping unless you fed him so much he has a blink dagger
>implying anything is balanced when you feed it to that point
>implying it's not entirely your team's fault that the enemy Sniper has Blink Dagger, Maelstrom, MoM and S&Y at 20mins
>>284464406
Competitive play defines the meta and influences patches.
>>284465373
>>284465324
I know, I know. I can deal with it, but it's like a Murphy's law
PLACE THOSE BETS
>>284463705
He's very good against a trilane.
>>284465128
>i don't know what calculated risk is
>>284465704
>Un-used ban slot
wut?
>>284465704
>Silencer/Omni/Necro
Obviously Radi-
>Axe
Dire.
>>284465559
>play gandalf the white
>firstblood sniper
>literally force top out of their lane and keep them from returning
What is with gandalf and omniknight being full on "fuck your face early game get wrecked late game"
>>284465595
How long did it take for Axe to reach meta status? It took multiple patches of him being sleeper OP before he made it big.
While competitive is does influence and define the meta, it isn't the be all and end of the meta.
That being said, Undying is still shit. Undying only shines in trilane vs trilane and early 5v5 teamfights, like the year beast mode where undying is picked almost every fucking game. In normal games, teams will just dodge the early game teamfights and then undying can't snowball into the mid game and completely falls off late game. And there are better heroes in trilane vs trilane than Undying atm.
>>284464054
Bottle isn't good on every hero, though. Invoker, for instance. And on most support it's too expensive to buy when wards, tps, smokes, and boots are more needed.
>>284465704
we all lose
>tombstone
>broke
Yeah, it sure can survive getting one shotted late game.
>>284465704
Depends on who jumps who first.
And if Dire snowballs in the early, if it reaches late, Radiant has insane among of sustain and alot of Dire heroes fall off.
>>284466043
>Bottle isn't good on every hero, though
Bottle is good on every hero that goes mid. If you are in the mid lane, you get bottle.
>>284463448
yeah take away tombstone the ONLY good thing undying has
please fuck off
>>284466043
blink isnt good on every hero though, broodmother for instance. And most suport its way too expensive to buy when wards, tps, smokes and boots are more needed.
DONT YOU FAGGOTS DARE SAY EUL IS OP
I LOVE THAT ITEM
>>284465716
yeah if he survives long enough to even get to level 3. A trilane wont even let him get xp
>>284465128
There is no such thing as luck, its all math. Getting RNGed means you deserved to fail highschool
>>284466473
>can block all ultimates
noice
>>284465898
Our Axe is 1-5-1 right now, so.
>picks undying instead of omniknight
>>284466283
Like I said, Invoker. Troll, too/
And often times heroes like Tiny or Naga will be run as a dual mid with a Wisp or another hero who will pick up the bottle instead.
>>284466613
>Attacking someone
>Orbwalk for several more hits than I would have gotten otherwise
>They get out of range of my right click attacks
>Ult them
>They survive with exactly 2 hp which they tell me about afterward
I literally did not get that kill because of RNG on damage ranges. If one attack rolled a 80 instead of a 78 I would have gotten that kill, delayed his blink dagger a minute or two(which could prevent him from ganking for minutes), been 1-2 levels above him and dealt tower damage in his absence.
>Luck.
>Is.
>A.
>Skill.
>>284467009
Why did you ult someone who wasn't low enough to die?
>>284466808
How the fuck do you die when you have INFINITE ARMOR
>>284467153
The enemies cheated and countered the stove
>>284467009
>going after him when you 'might' kill him and not when you 'will' kill him
You didn't get unlucky. You just didn't get lucky.
>>284465109
Shrapnel was changed to be a skill with 3 charges that and cost 50 mana instead of 120. You'll get a charge every 40 seconds. It doesn't damage towers anymore but who fucking cares about that when you can have 10 seconds slow-blink cancel-wards around you.
Headshot was also changed, it now causes a 0.5 second 100% MS and AS slow instead of a stun. Combine this with Shrapnel and you have a character with 950 atk range that slows the fuck out of anyone, is almost ungankeable if the player is decent enough and you'll see why he's broken right now. Is not by anything that he's picked so often in pro matches and in normal matches he became like Void after TI4, you see him in around 7 out of 10 games.
A fun fact though: Once these changes were known everyone thought they were nerfs, from normal players to top teams.
>>284467009
>im too fucking dumb to count and calculate damage
>waaaaah
>>284463448
>unironically playing ASSFAGGOTS
off to >>>/vg/ with you
>>284467681
I hope you reported that Silencer already. Faggots like him should stick to bot games.
>>284463448
If Dota 2 is a competitive game that takes skill to win, why does the game have a lot of RNG abilities?
>>284467681
Carry those faggots to victory
>>284463448
Git gud
>Play silencer support with any hero with a stun
>Get so much int anyway i may as well be a 2
>>284467845
If Poker is a competitive game that takes skill to win, why does the game have a lot of RNG situations?
>>284467901
epoch git le gud dank souls meme
>>284467845
If the game didn't require skill and was rng-based, then you wouldn't see patterns in people who win at a competetive level.
For example, VG has gotten first or second place at every tournament they've been in since TI4. Are they just exceptionally lucky?
Shitty meme team got dunked.
>>284465128
here I fixed your meme
>>284465704
>>284467681
I place my bets on Dire, they have the more solid draft. But then again, a draft can mean nothing if the people who use those heroes suck balls.
>>284463448
You forgot this guy.
>>284468607
>>284467846
>>284467753
I couldn't do anything against a fed Sniper.
Shrapnel pretty much kept me immobile in fights.
This is a time the Scepter increased range would have been handy
Also I got reported because Necro was mad I slaughtered him in mid lane. Axe reported me too
>>284467961
Poker doesn't snowball you dipshit.
>HOW COME THIS THING WORKS IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF GAME?
>>284469057
Should have gotten a dagger. It's pretty good on Lina.
ITT: Sub 2k trash
>>284469156
>complaining about RNG
>now complaining about snowball
?
>>284469057
>playing midlina
She's received nonstop buffs but is still a shit mid
>>284469156
>poker doesn't snowball
>I have no idea what a chip leader is or how that changes the game
are you fucking retarded
>>284469057
>those item builds
>axe and dazzle feeding
>void who can't farm for shit
there's nothing you could have done, the trench runs deep.
>>284469426
Nah she's pretty solid, I win my lane more often than not.
I just can't carry when side lanes are down 7 deaths by time I hit level 6
>>284465109
>I don't internalize changes to heroes I don't play for a game I play in spurts
This is literally the most fun thing about Dota.
All those moments of ABSOLUTE MADNESS that end up being fucking nothing (Hello? KotL and Treant Agh's).
Or small changes that end up being huge.
>>284469736
>(Hello? KotL and Treant Agh's).
Treants refuse to ward now and take farm so they can get an agh and use it for wards.
Thanks Icefraud
>>284469426
>Has 2 skills that can help win early midlane
>9999 attack range
>Treads, Euls, Blink, Aghs is gg
She will easily become a common pick the moment she receives a small buff in the next patch.
>>284469660
you should probably do something about it before 6 then, or perhaps build not shit items
>>284469954
That trenchlord up there built euls aghs and proceded to lose. what an overpowered hero
>>284470036
Items such as...
>>284469096
>being so bad you never experienced the boss rush weapons
>>284470154
at least he was the mvp for his team, sadly enough.
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