Why is doujin soft better than Western indie games?
>>274642853
Because they actually care about their games compared to the western indie devs who only care about the money.
>>274644447
what about free games?
>>274642853
Ragnarok battle offline is the shit.
Is there a version with translated menus?
What game is this? Something based on RO?
Japanese doujin games are just too deep and poignant for western minds.
>>274644860
Those are good too. See Eternal Daughter (It's not Japanese, is it?), Dwarf Fortress, Iji, Hero Core and more.
>>274644950
Yes, I remember finding one on the RBO forum, google it.
>>274644985
Yeah, it's pretty fun. Had tons of fun playing it with my friends a few years ago.
What are the WORST Western indie games?
>>274647325
Well first, you'd have to dig through the trash to find the good ones, what you're left with is the worst shit made.
>>274647325
Gone homo.
>>274642853
because you're a weeb.
>>274649554
I like Western games too though, just not "indie games"
>>274644950
>Is there a version with translated menus?
There is a translation patch for the game and all 3 expansions
>western indie games
weird unexpected games like spacechem and dwarf fortress, stuff that requires some effort
>japanese indie games
it's a shmup or a visual novel. and there's anime
>>274650194
>japanese indie games
they're called Dōjin soft, also sometimes called dōjin games
>>274642853
Because Japanese devs aren't cowards who aren't willing to make their games with unique characters.
>>274650283
or derivative jap shit, either fits fine
>>274642853
Why are Finnish indie games better than eastern or western indie games?
>>274651015
but Anon I can't read mongol
>>274651015
Looks like shit. Here's an actual good game.
>>274651228
That never stopped anyone from playing japanese games.
>>274651320
Liero is amazing you god damn plebian.
>>274651636
Sorry I don't understand finnish. Also Virgin Queen is a pretty good game with loli catgirls.
>>274642853
More games like Ragnarok Battle Offline? I loved that game, so gud
>>274651015
What's that top down game that kinda look like Space Hulk?
>>274651898
Is the H good? Also link?
>>274642853
RBO on my /v/? neat its like the second time i see this game mentioned here.
Really fun game with a lot of classes and stats options.
Also if we talk about good indie games you guys should check sonic robo blast 2.its a sonic game made on the doom engine with god tier soundtrack and fun gameplay and there is multiplayer to.
>>274644985
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctQhifpjjOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu7E4iS6KbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aesc5qB_Jhg&list=PLF80E7EC2A2F8F007&index=3
>>274652101
I assume you mean Ultimate Tapan Kaikki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCUMb5_ByRo
>>274652649
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUQr6kFa0Lo&index=14&list=PLF80E7EC2A2F8F007
Moonlight Flower is lewd!
>>274652407
It's not a h-game, it's a ecchi game where you strip loli catgirls.Made by the same company as Corpse Party.
>>274642853
they focus on gameplay and often complex mechanics, honestly the only western indie dev that I would put on similar level is vlambeer.
>>274653638
>>274653615
My sides can't stand these levels of irony.
>>274653812
Oh yeh and it's a fighting game too. Funnily enough most girls in this game are under 12. The one shown naked earlier is 6 and named Milk.
>>274653812
welp, obvously I meant other games like Recettear, fortune summoners, mitsurugi kamui hikae, even fucking sengoku rance has good gameplay...
>>274642853
nice taste anon
tempted to redownload and replay, even though I wish there was online multiplayer, ain't nobody want to play glorious RBO with me IRL
>>274654385Virgin Queen has gameplay, it's a fighting game after all, it uses fighter maker engine though.
>>274642853
>tfw missed out on RBO because too busy playing "real" RO
I hope I can find the official local translation somewhere
>>274644860
these want e-fame or to become the fotm meme
![20130103091638!Moonlight[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/5I3uHRb.png "20130103091638!Moonlight[1].png")
>Ragnarok Battle Offiline.
FUCK YEAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ5t_KmDPPI
Eastern:
>Old school games with fucking great pixel art
>Clones of Gradius , Street Fighter , Castlevania , etc..
>Well done anime/manga art
Western:
>Le retro pixel book
>SJW
>My experimental games
>My game is abstract art
There are a lot of exceptions , SQRXZ , loco malito's games , Card Sagas Wars , etc..
But that games are more "homebrew" than "indie"
I will say that all this western "indie" shit movement suck
>>274655317
*look
>>274654385
There are plenty of great western indie games if you go looking for them. There's just been a huge inflation of "indie" shovelware recently so you need to wade through a big pile of shit to get to them.
Japanese indie games on the other hand are already filtered for you. You only hear about the worthwile titles; the chance of someone mentioning some shit japanese-only indie game on the english speaking web is very low.
>>274655836
You got a huge Point there anon
>>274655836
do you think is the same but reversed in japan?
>>274653615
I wanna play it.
>>274655317
>mfw a game from 10 years ago is more fun and better looking than the 'lol so retro' western indie games
>>274656479
Japanese doesn't play filthy gaijin indie games, anon.
>>274655317
i don't really think there's any noteworthy differences between the western and eastern indie scenes. the reason there are seemingly so many good eastern games compared to westerns is because they are the only ones worth exporting and translating.
i doubt, for instance that many easterners know about Gone Home or Dear Esther as they simply aren't worth exporting.
>>274656613
Most of the "lol so retro" games are actually excuses for not having real artists on board. Or other times it's like pic where the artist is just a retarded pretentious cunts.
>>274655836
so just like pre-00 anime
Japs have unbridled passion and persistence.
Most western devs don't.
There are lots of great western indie games, though- it would be stupid to deny that...
But doujin makers are the "ideal" all others should strive for, imo.
>>274656804
What a horrible 'art'.
How did Japan feel about Shovel Knight?
>>274657082
I dunno, Why don't you go fucking ask them!?
>>274656804
God I hate that shit so much
>>274656804
I liked shovel knight for doing faux-retro right, game looked and sounded incredible.
>>274657267
Well yeah, there's also the "making it actually look like games did on the console we're imitating" crowd, but they're few and far between. I can really only think of La-Mulana and Shovel Knight for that category.
RBO is great, but weebs are faggot who use their lack of knowledge of the western market to force their opinions on others.
As soon as Japan can make a roguelike as good as C:DDA or Dorf Fortress or Nethack or a MUD as good as HellMOO or Akanbar I'll retract my previous statement.
>>274657082
It isn't released there yet.
>>274657464
I remember someone on /v/ once said Fez looked like a legitimate NES game and everyone flipped their shit
>>274657579
Have you played Elona yet?
>>274657735
Yes, and it's definitely not as good as any of the games I've mentioned.
>>274657735
>Elona
>Roguelike
Que?
>>274657579
Though it's pretty casual, I really like One Way Heroics.
>>274658170
Also a decent game, though I wouldn't call it a roguelike.
>>274657579
Considering a MUD would have to be text-based, that wouldn't be practical at all for Japs.
>>274658305
I don't see how it isn't a roguelike, as it plays just like Rogue only not in a dungeon.
>>274657579
>roguelike
>Dorf Fortress
I'd hardly call Dwarf Fortress a roguelike (unless you're playing Adventurer Mode for whatever reason). I'd be extremely surprised if a game like Dwarf Fortress is ever created in Japan or anywhere else really. My impression of doujin games as a whole is that they tend to create polished and exemplary games of an established template rather than bring out something as quite so inventive, which is part of why a great roguelike is probably unlikely.
>>274655152
oh man thanks for this album
>>274656885
>But doujin makers are the "ideal" all others should strive for, imo.
No, fuck you m8, we've already surpassed that "ideal standards" long ago and your inability to scour for good western indie game with great graphics and production doesn't help.
>>274658474
>Faux permadeath
>Save-states
>No dungeons
Don't get me wrong, it's a decent game, but it's hardly a roguelike aside from the procedural generation, visuals, and turn-based combat, and if we were to go by that definition, then there would be an absolute fuck-ton of RPG Maker "roguelikes."
>>274658517
>My impression of doujin games as a whole is that they tend to create polished and exemplary games of an established template
Do you really, honestly believe this or am I being trolled?
>>274647325
the ones that have been marketed like a AAA game (see: fez and gone home)
>>274645190
>Curse: can't change underwear
>>274657579
>HellMOO
Mah fuckin nigga.
>>274642853
They make games because they want to express something and make you have fun while doing so.
A lot(not all) western indies just want to get big and swim in money like the aaas.
Pic related is what everyone who cares for the medium should aim for.
>>274659429
A guy who makes shitty games?
Wut?
What are some doujinshi games where I can be the little girl? And that has loli pantsu.
The fact of the matter is that both regions have good and bad games, difference is, weebs have much lower standards than their western counterparts in all areas, so mediocre Jap games are praised as being amazing or great while mediocre western games are seen as mediocre or shit.
>>274647325
Worst in what ways?
Worst as in /v/ hates it?
Or worst as in the game just fucking sucks?
>>274659716
The latter.
Personally I'd say something like Air Control.
Absolute, unplayable shit.
The Japanese are better at most things because their culture doesn't idolize failure.
>>274659951
See, now this is a legitimate weeaboo.
>>274645190
>Ruffian's penis stole first kiss
>>274660070
what's that? I mean, the picture
>>274655317
>Card Sagas Wars
That never came out, did it? I haven't heard about it in like 3 years.
http://youtu.be/s8a0YPayEvw
>>274659521
Not any shitty games but one of the biggest franshises in existence and he does not cash into it at all.
>>274660461
Apparently the sprite artist posts stuff on his tumblr page but nothing new for that game apparently.
The sprite art he posts is pretty neat though.
http://ahruon.tumblr.com/
>>274642853
Japanese indie/doujin games, construction and design-wise feel closer to the games I've played from the generations of consoles I grew up with and are just more appealing aesthetically. Western contemporaries on average just aren't very interesting save a few.
Also, Japanese-made games just click with me more, there's something indescribable about them I really love despite not being as flashy as most western games.
>>274660042
Its not, its simple truth. In the West, we're told that not trying your hardest and being bad in school is "cool" and "hip", that our traditions are "tired" and "not progressive" and that change is inherently good, even though its not a fact. There's no elitism anymore, which is sad. In the old days you used to see the poor dressing in suits and trying to be well spoken and read. Now, you see the rich and successful emulating "ghetto" people and speaking in ebonics (that shitty accent every black person, celebrity and teenager has). When the successful are copying the unsuccessful, you have a diseased culture. In Japan, everybody wants to be the best at their respective role in life. Even delinquents, they put a lot of effort into their knowledge of bikes and cars, their suits, their image and their hairstyles. In the West you basically just wear your pants around your ankles and act like a nigger.
>>274660896
I forgot that this exists. Can you imagine how much money could have been made if they made something that they could sell?
>>274642853
SuperBunnyop did a video explaining it.
http://youtu.be/zawk-CtKvl4
>>274645190
What's the bottom game?
>>274642853
God damn I love RBO.
Posting obscure hipster shit
>>274660648
>one of the biggest franshises in existence
>>274661028
>Its not, its simple truth.
>>274661028
And to think people on /v/ get all uppity when you call them a weeaboo.
deepest lore
>>274656885
Fucking Astebreed. I cried a bit out of overwhelming joy after spending an hour or two trying to beat the last two bosses as its been the only game to actually challenge me in years. I swear to God that there isn't a better game genre than shmup.
>>274647325
Fez 2
>>274657601
>released a year ago in mmurica
>released hafl a year ago in europe
>still not out in asia
lmao how fucking lazy can a developer be!?
>>274647325
Gone Home is really, really boring. I even thought the story was kind of cute in a way, but that didn't help me get through the unmerciful dullness. I have no comprehension of people who enjoy walking simulators like that.
>>274657267
I still think Shovel Knight looks ugly as sin. Actual NES games looked much better.
>>274663042
You need a Japanese publisher if you want to publish a game on the eShop from the west.
>>274663042
You do realize that the game didn't release until November in Europe, right?
By the maker of irisu Syndrome.
>>274660896
I liked it when I was younger, but now I have more fighting game experience and I know that I'd hate it for being so MvC with its combos.
>>274663225
To be fair, shovelknight does a way better job at actually looking close to a pixelartstyle that actually existed.
>>274655317
>loco malito's games
Good taste anon
>Card Sagas Wars
Is it still in development?
Does the West have anything like Comiket? Seems like the biggest factor in Eastern indie games is a big convention that promotes creativity and commerce. Also helps that most Eastern creators give zero fucks about their work being used and sold by others since they all mostly do it for the love of creation instead of dosh mones.
>>274655317
>eastern
>no experimental
bait
>>274660937
I want to fuck this semen demon.
>>274659228
I must have that curse too...
>>274663737
>that picture
Neat.
>>274664103
Comiket is a massive copyright infringement event that was turned a blind eye because of the huge publicity it gives to the industry. Japanese publishers can't shut that down because the backlash will be too great and they will lose an important (free!) channel for publicity. If something like that was to start in the West, it has to start small, and small things are easier to crush. You can bet your ass the publishers will put a stop to it real quick.
>>274664103
They would shut it down because "MUH COPYRIGHT".
>>274642853
Do we have a doujin recommendations list? If not, let's make one. Reply with your picks.
>>274666849
Well, Cave Story obviously.
>>274666849
English or not?
>>274666406
>>274666757
Fucking copyright is the cancer killing creativity
>>274666849
www.vgperson.com is a good start
But the /v/s recommended vidya wiki also has a freeware section.
>>274666406
>Comiket is a massive copyright infringement event
This is what Westerner actually believes.
While it's true to some degree, most of the circle/author are doing it because they love the subject matter just like >>274664103 said. And I see it as creative freedom more than copyright infringement.
Seriously, what is it with Western and copyrightsand lawsuits?
>>274657579
Dwarf Fortress is a fucking terrible game tho
>>274667226
Anything.
>>274666849
Fucking Hellsinker.
>>274667603
But it is though, right? Those doujin circles create works based on copyrighted material and sell it for profit. It is copyright infringement.
>>274667891
Virgin Queen Beauty if you like loli catgirls. It doesn't work on w7 though. At least not for me.
>>274666849
Uhh...Touhou?
>>274667603
Greed and selfishness, a culture where not only must you succeed, but others must fail.
>>274668198
Sometimes the creators or publishers grant authorization to people to make content of what they have, some don't say yes but they don't say no, see Touhou.
>>274668463
You probably already tried using compatibility mode, haven't you?
![[000019a].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8SkGnrz.jpg "[000019a].jpg")
>>274657013
>>274656804
I want to point out that this is why writing in video games are shit too. They give the writing job to some hack amateur, and they write for shit, and because they write for shit games with any kind of story is dismissed by people in generally because it's a badly written ugly/grimdark/kiddie mess that anyone with half a brain would know to ignore.
This industry will continue to be shit on as long as devs are lazy and cheap about graphics and writing.
>inb4 muh story even though these posts were muh graphics
>>274668860
I kinda agree whit you, people whit autism come out whit better stories, if i put a sonic fan to write a story for a game he would do a better job than the average writer does.
>>274668753
Yeh I did. You can have a look at the game here, the guy actually posted a link to the game, that's where I got my copy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMWa4I5xBbY
Cave Story, Recettear, RO Battle offline >>>> whatever hipster trash murrican indie devs shit out
>>274669391
You shittalking aquaria and skullgirls?
>>274669284
Run it whit HF applocale?
>Indie game made by one guy in Japan has more content than the average indie game from the west
>It's still just an unfinished demo
>>274668198
It is. That why I said "to some degree."
It's kinda strange to put it this way, but isn't it the same as making a music cover on youtube? The uploader get 'profit' from their video right?
>>274657601
Not even on steam? Granted, not many japanese are on steam.
>>274669987
Give it a try but I already set my non-unicode settings to Japanese long ago.
>>274670201
Sometimes it just werks whit HF applocale, not sure why.
>>274670083
Only if they choose to monetize the video. Then again, it's up to the jury to decide if there is enough 'original work' for it to not totally infringe copyright.
>>274669284
>>274669987
>>274668753
>>274668463
Nevermind the game works now. It seems CCCP codec pack fucked the game up. (I'm using everything separately because it had fucked up several others games before)
>>274668713
>Touhou
I swear there are more Touhou doujin games than I can possibly complete.
>>274670105
Japan has its own steam region. One of the carpe fulgur games can not be bought over there on steam.
>>274669803
Dunno, have them both on steam for a while. Specially Aquaria. You saying it's better than the games I posted? I might check it out.
>>274670780
There is more Touhou of everything than everything.
>>274670791
Magical Battle Festa is available on Japan Steam.
>>274663737
can you name all the games on that picture?
I can only name Ib, Witch House and Ao Oni.
>>274670791
I know there are regional restricted games on steam. Just like some f2p yuro games are locked to Euro countries. But I was asking specifically about buying shovel knight in Japan.
>>274668860
One game whit no history makes more sense than a plot written by a western.
>>274670000
>A single Indie dev from the west has bettter graphic, gameplay and animation than all indie game from Japan.
>Still just an unfinished demo.
we can do this all day long anon.
>>274671070
Yume Nikki, Yume Nikki clone (I forgot which one), Irisu Syndrome, Mogeko Castle, and a bunch others that I don't recognize.
>>274671271
dev
*game
fuck dammit I should go to sleep.
>>274656885
Astebreed is my personal GOTY.
>>274671589
.flow?
Woah.
>>274671070
Those, Plus Yume Nikki, Yume 2kki, and .flow
>>274671968
That's lewd
>>274671070
Ib, the witch's house, irisu syndrome, yume nikki, one of the deepseaprisoners I think.
>>274671070
Irisu syndrome, ao oni, .flow, yumei nikki, mad father?
Those are all i recognize.
>>274663737
Ib, witches house, Ao oni, Chloes Requiem, Mogeko Castle, Irisu Syndrome, Mad father,yume nikki,Misao, Forest of Heavy Rain,.Flow, I don't know the rest
fucking love The Witches House
>>274645190
>tfw princess sacrifice is finally getting TLed
>>274672370
>>274655152
>that music
>3 minutes
>good thread drops to page 6
we need more pages
Copywright is the cancer that kills art.
If an artist wants to make money he should do it by comission.
>>274655317
>sameface generic animu
>well done
ayy
Why are fangames of indie games better than indie games?
Doesn't pretty much H-Game count as doujin soft?
>>274674376
Megamari was such bullshit. RKS is better by miles.
>>274673517
Playstation experience bullshit is making /v/ go fast.
>>274672840
>mfw one of the loli catgirl has no panties and you can see her ass during some of her attacks
Pic unrelated.
>>274659429
>the guy who makes ok games with shit art and basically created japanese MLP is what everyone should aim for
>>274672714
Not a fan of jumpscares but the witch's house makes more than up for it with its story.
>>274672714
>Forest of Heavy Rain
That is hard to google, got a specific link or dev name?
>>274675496
>japanese mlp
I know you love your horsecocks but mlp is nowhere near that big outside of autismland of the free.
>>274675292
Meh, you can get that on Steam
>>274677545
Terrible, she has tits.
Holdover is a pretty neat ecchi doujin game.
>tfw no gt2
PC needs it's AW clones!
>>274671271
>better gameplay and animation than all indie game from Japan
I think you may be exaggerating a bit there
>>274677545
what game?
>>274642853
A lot of doujinsoft is made to be sold at comiket and other such event. Other times, it'll be collaborative efforts within a team of artists and developers. Western indie games aren't very different, aside from the fact that there are fewer people that are willing to work in teams to meet the endgoal of having a good, fun game to play.
>>274671271
And the dev is a SJW
>having faith in western developers
>ever
>>274680039
Western indie games are all about getting on Steam and Kickstarter rather than selling them at a convention
>>274677545
That game's controls suck, but damn if it isn't fun.
>>274678395
This one was nice, but man was it unforgiving.
>>274668198
Devs see it as flattery / free promotion
Not where's Muh money where's Muh credit
>>274671271
>Overgrowth
>better gameplay than anything
Fuck no. It's a gif/webum creation engine. It's not an actual game worth playing. The combat is simplistic as fuck.
>>274680624
Not all of them. You just need to find people that are all about the labor of love, rather than the prospect of profit.
Hydorah, Daniel Remar's games in general (Iji, Hero Core, Hyper Princess Pitch, Garden Gnome Carnage, the strawberry game WHENEVER THE FUCK HE FINISHES IT), Spelunky, and many others were made entirely for free and are fantastic plays.
>>274681453
>that feel when Iconoclasts will never be finished
>>274679826
Vanguard Princess
>>274680624
http://nifflas.ni2.se/
?
>>274670000
OH BOY SORCERLAND MAKES MY DICK DIAMONDS
>>274681764
>tfw you remember the feel
>>274683727
Challenge of the day = Find all the bulges
>>274677545
>boobs
Dropped.
>>274684113
Marked them in bright green. I couldn't tell if the black horse was male or not, so I didn't mark them.
>>274670000
Link?
>>274686065
http://pastebin.com/99ai3SQk
If you want to buy it ($1) and support the guy;
http://www.dlsite.com/eng/work/=/product_id/RE129482.html
>>274642853
>better
Except they fucking aren't.
They are much uglier (in a technical sense, the design itself is usually good), have poor VFX, and gameplay very rarely makes up for it (though there are notable exceptions, like Touhou).
Also, they are stuck, technologically, like two generations back.
>>274686298
sometimes I get motivated to learn to draw just so I could draw lewd stuff of these characters, there is way too few on pixiv
>>274686502
There's lewd? I only ever see badass fanart and that one cutesy image of the rabbit.
>>274686745
nothing at all, just bulges and one of them taking a bath, nothing lewd at ALL
>>274680514
Looks I wont be getting Overgrowth
>>274642853
Indie games are made by normalfags who cant into computers.
Not that japs can, but they are usually otakus which is creature several levels above the normalfag in intelligence.
I wish I wasn't stupid, because I want to make a simple platformer game yet I'm finding it stupidly hard to comprehend coding. I spent several days trying to learn it, and I just couldn't absorb it.
I can do sprites, I can write dialogue, and if given the programs I could probably make music too, but I just can't wrap my head around coding.
>>274661995
I remember never being able to find a fucking download of this game despite being recommended all the time in indie threads.
>>274688132
Look into Game Maker. It's actually really good for starting out and learning coding, while being pretty powerful despite its simple presentation.
>>274689080
http://www.pixelprospector.com/guardian-of-paradise/ Not that hard to find.
>>274688132
Don't feel bad about it. Some people are just more creatively minded than technically minded so it takes a while. As long as you're not a useless slug it's all good.
>>274678395
There's also Sufferer from the same guy. It's a two parter, with one being an action RPG and the other being a stealth platformer.
>>274689528
the game dev general over at /vg/ said the same thing. That's sadly something I tried and failed at.
I'm really, REALLY dumb with coding.
>>274691546
Did you try looking at tutorials using code instead of drag and drop?
I've learned a lot from watching https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn7FE3Tx391g1tWPv-1tv7Q
>>274691237
>no nudity
I remember there being a 3D game, too.
>>274692313
I've tried learning Python, C++ or whatever it's called, and Java. Of course, I tried to be lazy and do drag and drop, but I know that's not the right way to make a game. It's A way, but not THE way.
I'll give that channel a watch though, because anything to help an idiot learn is valuable.
Would /v/ play Call ofLoli?Beat a stage to get loli sex.
>>274688132
I have a different problem. I'm so lazy I just don't have the capacity to give enough of a fuck to even start.
>All those delicious 2D combo-centric, broke to fuck doujin fighting games.
I used to have a couple of blogs that would post older and newer doujin games from Comiket, but all of them were shutdown.
>>274647325
the worst ones are games you haven't heard of because of how shit they are, obviously
>>274655317
but i like experimental art games
>>274693671
>have artistic basic skills
>good artistic sense
>actually like the little coding I did in schol
>too lazy to put any effort into deleloping my skills
welp
>>274694515
Nothing wrong with them. Pretty much everyone loves yume nikki and that is barely a game.
>>274694794
>I could be good but I'm too lazy
Fuck off.
>>274693686
That reminds me, that fucking Ougon Cross final boss is retarded. God damn he has every advantage in the game.
>>274693149
Just cause it isn't THE way doesn't mean you should exclude it. It still teaches you a lot of the core mechanics of programming and can translate easily into actual code once you get the hang of it. Programming is just like any other art, it doesn't matter what program or medium you use so long as you know the basic skills and techniques.
I would also suggest you play games with programming mechanics in them, such as Garry's Mod with Wire Mod installed, Minecraft with redstone mods, Terraria, Space Engineers, and there's surely more I either don't know of or have just forgotten.
>>274692539
Yeah, he made a bunch of 3D games too but I couldn't find them anywhere.
>mfw I spend a lot of time playing ryona games
It's too addicting, even if you die
>>274686298
Thank You
