Has there ever been a game with half-swording?
If not, when will we get one?
>black man wearing platemail
The hell's "half-swording"?
>>267752726
>half-swording
Mind telling what this actually is?
blunt weapons, bashing, cavalry and polearms in general
>>267752883
>>267752847
i don't think he's black
>>267752883
its in the fucking picture
>>267752847
That a shadow, bumblefuck.
>>267752883
>>267752901
putting one hand on the blade of the sword in order to hopefully deliver a stab.
It can also be used to guard with.
Basically you're reducing your reach for a bit better control.
>>267752985
that's racist cunt
>>267752726
its called Halbschwert you dingus, and it looks retarded for enyone not familiar with swordfighting
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4PGAnq6w7Y
Why are weaponfags such autists?
>>267753006
I see. I don't really see the point to it, though. Was it commonly used in war?
>>267752847
have you never heard of black knights?
>>267753208
>its called Halbschwert you dingus
that's like saying "it's not a two-hander, it's a zweihander!"
>>267753291
Yes it was used.
It's advantages are that in close-quarters it's a lot easier to use and it's also easy to poke through armor such as eye-holes because your hand is guiding the blade.
>>267753291
Don't know about war. Don't think swords like that were used all that much period, but it was very common in dueling from what I know.
>>267752847
>othello
>>267753291
Yes in the late stages of armored fighting, where full armor was affordable. When 2 knights in plate armor fought each other, you couldnt simply stab them, you had to aim for weaker points in the armor, were using the sword as a smal spear becomes pretty usefull.
Another point were you can see, that swords are not weapons for war, but for duelling.
>>267753291
>I don't really see the point to it, though
it's just like what you'd do with a nail and a hammer, you'd hold the tip in place before applying the force.
the hand being closer to the enemy also allowed to grab or punch if needed. When you're wearing armor, and the other guy is also wearing armor, it comes down to wrestling over stabbing.
>>267753447
>>267753516
Interesting, but I think it'd look kind of silly in a game, considering it's not really that well-known of a technique and it would most likely translate poorly into gameplay.
>>267753569
>using literature as evidence
I have no opinion on black men wearing armor but you just went full retard.
>>267753208
I'm german and i have to tell you, that you're a fag.
>dingus
kek
>>267753696
I think it could look decent as a sort of block/parry stance.
>>267752883
Grabbing sword by the blade. It gives you more precise control of the point and more strength behind the trust (to try to find gaps in armor or to puncture mail), allows you to use the sword as a maceshift mace (for blunt trauma) and might allow you to use it as a lever while wrestling the opponent.
If you have a sword and end up fighting against armoured opponent, that's how you fight. Metal armor makes you virtually invulnerable against the blade.
http://www.thearma.org/essays/armoredlongsword.html
>>267753696
I could imagine it working in games like Mount and Blade or Chivalry.
Also it looks fine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bdMfaymGlk
>>267753694
>Another point were you can see, that swords are not weapons for war, but for duelling.
only specific kinds. Swords didn't just fall out of use when everyone started wearing chain mails.
knights and general soldiers still carried short swords as a secondary to their usual weapon, which was either a spear, hammer or mace.
>>267753960
>knights and general soldiers still carried short swords as a secondary to their usual weapon, which was either a spear, hammer or mace.
>hammer or mace.
No, that's what paladins did
>>267753291
Lets put it this way.
When someone else is wearing plate armor it is quite hard if not impossible to penetrate it depending on your weapon.
So hitting an easier spot like the armpits (or whatever) or the eyeslit would make for an easier kill.
Half-swording made this easier and the range lost was a moot point if you were wearing armor as well unless your opponent had a good armor piercing weapon.
The alternative, reversing your grip on the sword and striking with the pommel was also possible.
And since some big swords had an unsharpened portion of the blade to grip this was easy to do with those. It was also possible to do it with any sword since a cutting motion is required to inflict a cut (duh) and this would be even less of a problem if you were wearing hand protection.
>>267753313
It's actually a Zweihänder.
But you probably don't have that key.
>>267753208
You do realize that modern-day Germany wasn't the only part in Europe where people used swords?
>>267753696
The game would have to have good armor mechanics beyond just reducing damage for it to not be ridiculous.
>>267754216
>it's not a two-hander, it's actually a two-hander
Can't you do this in Mount and Blade?
>>267754089
i find it hard to believe that even the lowest ranking soldier for hire couldn't bring a blade of any kind, but ok.
whose definition of Paladin are you using?
>>267753960
In late medieval period and forward (until bayonets became popular) most of everyone carried a sword as a sidearm, be it a man-at-arms with lance, a pikeman or a crossbowman.
>>267754442
Some mods like The Eagle and the Radiant Cross have animations for it but it doesn't actually change anything from mechanical point of view.
>>267753291
No, war was for peasants and peasants used spears.
>>267753694
>Yes in the late stages of armored fighting, where full armor was affordable.
So, never.
>>267754493
The most common sidearm was an axe.
Because it was cheap and required next to no training to use effectively.
This was replaced by the dagger later on because you could make a daggers pommel look like a ballsack which medieval people found fucking hilarious.
>>267753208
>Halbschwert
literally translates to half-sword
do you think Condottieri were calling it fucking Halbschwert?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkhpqAGdZPc
forget about sword techniques, why isn't blocking and parrying represented well in games?
>>267754803
pretty sure a plain old mace was simpler to use.
anything with blades was more valuable than that.
>>267755824
Size for size an axe often used less metal than a mace.
Axes did fall out of favour when armour became more and more prevalent but was still used commonly against non metal wearing forces.
>>267754803
No it wasn't. Perhaps in early medieval but I said late medieval and forward. Yes, axes are easy to make but with more advanced metallurgy, that became a non-issue to the point where sword was the de facto sidearm for everyone.
>>267756207
keep in mind a mace could be a big stick with stones in it.
we're talking medieval age ghetto blasters but no one's head is immune to brute pounding.
>>267753291
Look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bdMfaymGlk
Half-swording is much better than the "normal" fighting techniques.
Late era medieval fighting was more like wrestling, because you simply couldn't hurt someone with blades who wore full plate amor.
You had throw your oppenent to the ground to stab in his weak points.
.
Half-swording was not a combat technique.
It was a technique created to abuse duel rules, essentially by literal tourneyfags.
>>267752726
You were here in yesterday's thread weren't you?
Kicking
Too many games disregard FUCKING KICKING in combat
Its an inferior technique and you look like a faggot doing it
>>267761308
More games need dramatic headbutts.
>>267761308
could have cut all his fingers with one pull
>>267752726
the witcher 1 has a halfsword strike for one of it's finishers. the mordhau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e0xr-aZJos
>>267760704
You do anything needed to survived on a battlefield, technique is just something people show off to civilians.
>>267761308
>inferior technique
says the faggot posting movie scenes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi757-7XD94
>>267760704
>literal tourneyfags
i love this mental image
>>267762226
>2:10
someone make a gif of this guy
>>267761308
This scene makes me so mad there is so much wrong with it
>>267762694
>.gif
who chooses .gif over webm now?
>>267762924
quality's not worth it
also seeing the thumbnails is preferable
>>267762924
People on a phone or tablet, I guess.
>>267761857
You do not fight people in plate armor 99% of the time in warfare, you either get run over by them because theyre on fucking horses or drop them from 300 yards away with arrows.
Why didn't they use spiked maces instead of sword then?
>>267763228
Sword fucks up a peasant far easier than a mace.
Got to get a decent amount of swing with a mace to do much, you can just run a sword across flesh and the dude could well be fucked.
>>267761308
>I'M GONNA STOP YOUR BLADE WITH MY FISTS AND HEADBUTT YOU TO DEATH
>>267763063
it's not like the quality will be better on .gif and the size is dramatically reduced.
get windows preview or whatever it's called
>>267763126
who cares about mobile browsers?
>>267763148
Which just proves my point of technique is crap. It comes down to force disposition, force deployment, terrain and a thousand other things. You only need to talk about technique when you're dealing with people that don't know what warfare has ever entailed.
>>267753291
Half swording has been known to fuck people up and could probably have saved your life back then
>>267762226
>behind the knee maybe
>>267753291
yes against armored opponents. very useful.
>>267754089
Wut? People definitely used maces, they were better than swords against armoured opponents since a lot of the force still carries through and you can crush their armour to immobilise them.
>>267761308
>half-swording WITHOUT FUCKING GAUNTLETS
What a fucking retard.
Speaking of blunt weapons.
What are some games that give me a GODDAMN FLAIL?
>>267764324
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4PGAnq6w7Y
No, actually you are the fucking retard.
>>267764324
most longswords were only sharp near the top of the weapons, the blade near the hilt were usually dull as shit.
>>267764389
Chivalry
>>267764484
He's got one hand at the top of the fucking blade.
No way he isn't cutting himself on that shit.
>>267765775
did you even watch more than 15 seconds?
>>267753896
>dat gaudy armor
>dem helm plumes
That is alpha as fuck. Fuck modern manly aesthetics.
What do we have TIES?!
>>267766430
I meant in the webm anon.
>>267752847
>>267762694
better late than never
>>267762860
I was watching The Centurion last night and I was raging for half the movie. I fucking hate this autism, I can't let the neglect of historical accuracy for the sake of story and drama just slide.
Is there a movie were they even considered consulting some historians and specialists before filming?
>>267766712
fucking hilarious, thanks
>>267766652
>I meant in the webm
what? the only webm in this thread was posted after your comment.
>>267766712
thanks anon, it's beautiful. gotta love that fluid motion at the end.
>>267766712
>>267762694
Man, that guy is badass.
>>267758613
That's a scripted fight though. The guy swinging takes a swing than stands still and let the guy with a half sword go to town with him. He is acting like he is made out of paper. That's just as stupid as all those martial arts training videos.
>see why hander
>>267766712
This looks ridiculous
>>267767117
You think real fights looked like they do in movies. It was probably not very fancy or pretty.
>Realism
>In fantasy "medieval" vidya
There isn't a reaction pic in existence to correctly express where my sides have gone, OP.
No. We will always have 100lbs full plate armour, 10lbs chainmail, utterly useless gambesons, no primitive guns despite their being plate, rapiers despite there being plate, everything being effective against plate, and shields as thick as doors.
>>267766968
of course it's training. did soft swords give it away? it's obviously people learning the technique.
also
>martial arts
top kek
>>267767117
I know it looks nothing like the movie 300. now there was some real historical swordfighting, rite?
>>267767201
the most realistic fight in a movie i've seen was in Monty Python's Holy Grail because of how silly it was.
>>267752726
I wish there was a game where I could fully utilize the european longsword.
>stabby
>slicy
>pommel-bashy
>warhammery
>skullcrushy
>halfwswordy
goodness.
Truly the most versatile weapon ever designed.
>>267766584
alot of special forces armor looks cool as fuck
their everyday clothes lookes dorky as hell though
>>267767117
It looks?
>>267767201
Real fights didn't look like that either, don't be stupid.
>>267753896
Alright fuck it, you grab my sword bitch, get stabbed in the eyeballs
>>267767201
Sounds like it would be a pretty boring game m8.
>>267761308
why do people always start bleeding from grabbing the blade when there is no movement to cause slice?
>>267767661
because he grabbed it while it was moving to stop it
>>267767610
>>267752847
I hope they don't leave you in charge of anything at your Klan chapter.
