Are disks just about obsolete? I haven't used a disk drive in almost a decade, and blu-rays were already too small back when Skyrim came out.
>>262281736
hell no. still by far the cheapest way to store data. and not everybody has internet connections that can download 30+ GB games in a few hours.
Blu rays are fine.
Depends on what they're used for.
For games? Yes. Discs have absolutely no purpose there. For archival of small files? Discs are way more practical than anything else.
>>262281984
>and not everybody has internet connections that can download 30+ GB games in a few hours.
Who cares about Africa and Australia.
Just about. I can get 40 mbps on my fucking phone now, I have no need for them.
>>262281736
>Buying games in non-physical format
>Ever
It's like you want to get raped by Valve/EA/Microsoft/whoever you buy games from.
Glorious physical game collection master race.
>>262281736
I want to burn mines to make room.
Should probably sell them.
I can't be arsed to do it though.
Such is the way of the lazy.
I don't know why they don't make small and cheap read-only usb drives for game installation and movies instead of disks. It's probably even cheaper at this point.
>>262282843
You consolebabies need to understand that just because you have a physical copy of the game doesn't mean you own it. Microsoft can stop service to your console at any time, they can stop supporting or brick your hardware which is the only thing you have to play your silly disc with.
The only way to truly own a game is to own a DRM free copy on a free operating system, or to have a ROM image of it for use in an open source emulator.
>>262282843
>Buying games
>Supporting the industry
>>262281984
>still by far the cheapest way to store data
please be jocking
>>262283254
Tradition.
Stupid consumers.
America.
>>262283283
Or have a non-connected console.
>>262283405
can you find a terabyte drive for cheaper than $40?
disks are unbeatable when it comes for archival of games/music/chinese cartoons
these little 4,7 GB fucks can hold your data for 10-20 years when treated nicely and BD disks are eternal and hard to destroy by accident
hard drive disks and home servers hold much more data but the thing is you need to spend money to power them, to replace faulty drives in RAID matrix (and what if all of them fail at once? this can happen too) and are writable so it's not hard to lose everything on a freak accident. meanwhile, you break one CD and it's no big deal since others are safe and you just have to replace that one.
if you haven't already, start burning your favourite stuff. files on the internet last only until someone decides to pull a plug of the server
>>262283254
That's a pretty decent idea anon
I bought a nice Asus drive recently for my new PC just because I want to get the physical release of The Witcher 3. All those nice goodies and DRM free
>>262283283
>Implying I play online games
I'd like to see Nintendo and Microsoft shut down my consoles without an internet connection.
>>262283795
I should. I may start doing that for movies to give to friends and family
>>262284159
that'd be pretty wild if it was hardwired in or something. sp00ki
>>262283283
Why do faggots like you act like Microsoft is the only company doing this? Every company can shut your access to your console or steam.
nope
A dual-layer Blu-ray can hold about 50GB, that's more than enough for any properly made game.
>>262283283
>This is what mustard actually believes
>>262284382
He tried to warn you. They can also tap into your phones at will without trace, and are required to if the government wants them to.
>>262284497
What about a 32 or 64 SSD?
Lots of stuff and fast loading
I only play games on cartridge based systems.
Blu-ray bombed.
Digital storage is the future
>>262282843
>It's like you want to get raped by Valve/EA/Microsoft/whoever you buy games from.
Almost 90 percent of the physical copies require some sort of authentication from steam/origin in order to play them. Fuck i got a a copy of skyrim, put in the disc and all it did was give me a key to download it from steam.
Yes & no.
Holographic disc holds <100TB
<100TB would be great for games. Not just now, but for the future when higher quality assets can be displayed fully.
Assets should not be degradded for games. Engines should select to what degree asset complexity can be rendered. The more complexity is made the better.
Hard drives, like processors stopped getting better about 10 years ago. Leveled off around 1TB. SSDs have been getting cheaper.
Piracy has demonstrated it is the ideal distributor of content. If hard drives inccreased in size, speed and cost discs could cease to matter.
People have stopped demanding quality. Actually demand stupidity. I blame education.
Things getting better is not a requirement anymore, so while capacity of storage should be important, to most it isn't and the majority is what degenerates aim at.
>mfw when haven't burn a single DVD in the last decade
>one week ago bought a cheap ps2, later found that was already chipped
>mfw in the last week i burn 80+games for the little beauty
burning disk is so comfy
>>262285152
Should be other way arround >100TB
I have a fucking headache.
>>262284497
What about them being really fucking slow? Why insist on keeping them when they have almost no benefit to the competition besides them working when you're long dead and it doesn't matter?
>>262285602
You install the game from it to save bandwidth. I have a 40GB cap because of living in a rural area and jews, and I'm going to have to lower it soon. I can't afford to download games.
>>262285602
they're cheap
>>262283254
I can see games, but movies? Disc are fine.
>>262285152
>>262285295
>100 TB data storage
My body is not ready.
>>262284996
Are you shitting me? Is it really that bad? Did it at least install the game for you?
>>262281736
Discs still massively destroy your average user's bandwidth in terms of throughput. I can drive to the store, buy the game, drive back home and play probably two or three or four hours worth before it would finish downloading.
This is only going to become more relevant, since the number one thing that takes up disc space is graphical assets like textures. Textures are only going to become bigger and more detailed with time. Titanfall was floating around 70 gigs, and that game barely runs at 1080p. The eventual advent of 4k is only going to amplify this problem.
>>262283254
I've thought about this before. I figure that it's because discs are a lot easier to produce, thus will always be cheaper in mass.
>>262283283
>they can stop supporting or brick your hardware
>console has new update available
>see online that it's bricking consoles
>refuse update
Easy
>>262286368
Titanfall was huge because they didn't compress anything at all, to combat piracy.
>>262286368
That was because of uncompressed audio anon
>>262286316
Not samefag but it's true and if I can remember correctly since it was years ago, no it didn't.
>>262282843
Not all of us have the physical space to store thousands of games, many of which are dependent on hardware that is not backwards compatible.
If you like collecting, you don't need an excuse to justify it.
>>262286423
Remember when MS would brick people's 360's when they detect it's been modded? Good times.
>>262281736
discs are good for backing up important stuff since they won't suffer the physical wear and tear of hard drives and degradation of flash memory
still probably gonna degrade over about a decade
>>262283795
>BD Disk
>not LTO-5 Magnetic Tapes that can store 1.5 TB of data for 30 years in one tape and only cost 20 dollars a piece
Magnetic tapes are a good investment if you just want to truly archive shit.
>>262286015
Ok why, price aside because neither of us knows which would be cheaper if they put some effort into it.
It's smaller, doesn't spin in the drive, it reads faster, time seeks are nearly instant, they hold much more data (won't need to be replaced with new resolution, FPS, HDR, or quality standards)
>>262286316
duke nukem forever was even funnier
>put the disk in
>asks for cd key
>write a cd key
>starts downloading straight from steam servers
>doesn't even touch the damn fucking disk
pc mustard race my ass
>>262283283
you must really like fat guys and DRM for real.
>>262286685
Too bad the read/write times would make any other medium look lightning fast.
>>262286685
you realize the drives to read/write them cost over a thousand bucks, right?
>>262286368
You have no idea what you're talking about. Titanfall's file size was due to retarded compression, not textures. TF textures are shit. They look early last gen textures. The game is only made bloated to trick dudebros into thinking the massive file size means a massive game.
>This is only going to become more relevant, since the number one thing that takes up disc space is graphical assets
And what happens to bandwidth over the course of time? Does it stay stagnant?
>>262285602
120GB is fuck all to fill with content. Especially for a non repedative environment.
For a 800TB Game, it would be much faster and probably far cheaper to get it sent to you as a disc or several, than to download.
Getting a hard drive and getting it filled from a store, or someone would be ok as well.
I'd like to see far higher quality everything, including audio.
Multiple areas of reading could be used. Top and bottom. Reading speed should be far higher than download speed. Easilly exceeding the pathetic current processing speed.
>>262286618
>>262286763
>mfw
>>262282432
Australia? What?
I have 100/40mbps internet, with 1TB data per month.
Fuck off back to your 3rd world America.
>>262283530
>implying your unconnected console doesn't have a self-destruct date
>>262286423
That's putting huge fucking faith in a major corporation, that accept/refuse button is just a formality. They can and have the legal rights to take full control of the console or spy on everything you do if they felt like it (in the US at least), it's hard wired into every box.
>>262287092
>implying it does
>>262287160
Show me a 20 year old console that's been used a LOT that still works great.
Nope? Thought so.
>>262283283
>Steam goes down OR delete your acc by "mistake"
>All your games lost
>Gaben: Sorry guys "teehee~"
>>262287127
You think a company would actually pull some Big Brother shit like that?I mean maybe they would
It'd be commercial suicide. Nobody would trust them anymore. They'd be fucking finished.
HD DVD and BLU RAY were obsolete several years at least before release. They should never have existed. Holographic disc should have come after CD.
Hardware is the excuse that better disc formats ready for adoption were delayed.
It's liek all the console kiddies in this thread forgot one important thing:
manufactured console game discs oxidize and die after awhile. They'll probably stop working long before Steam ever shuts down its servers, if ever.
>>262287302
>Steam goes down
>download 400 MB worth of cracks
>games work fine
>manufacturer bricks your system
>can't play any of your games ever again
>>262287331
All your actions on your console are already logged and sent to Sony/MS. They know exactly what you're doing on your console so long as you have an Internet Connection open.
>>262287302
Implying this has ever happened.
I trust Valve to keep steam running more than i trust M$ or $ony to produce a console that will last more than a few years.
>>262283254
You really think usb drives are cheaper than round pieces of plastic?
>>262287271
>calling wear-and-tear a killdate
nigger you what? And I'm sure my car's parts have killdates too created by the manufacturer?
>>262283283
>Microsoft can stop service to your console at any time.
>HUR DUR LETS KEEP USING MICROSOFT OS.
people like you make me sick.
>>262287497
Simple solution
I turn the Internet connection off
>>262287497
Just incase you were curious, they do it for statistical analysis.
They use it to work out how long it takes people to make a purchase. Where do they get lost along they way? Bla bla bla streamline, more money, bla.
>>262287669
Which also cripples and removes half the functions of a game.
>>262287637
Windows isn't a free operating system you inbred fuck
>>262287482
>Steam
Fuck off.
>>262287604
Everything will break eventually.
I believe that STEAM is going to long outlast these cheaply made consoles and deprecated DVD discs.
>>262287490
this is the most retarded comment that i ever seen in this board
>>262287812
>actually being this dumb
Steam is the best thing to happen to this degenerate, greed filled industry since ever.
>>262287482
you mean rewrittable disks
manufactured disks use different materials thus are more resistant to that stuff
>>262286926
Okay, fine. Titanfall was a bad example. BF4 was still a 35 gig download.
And internet speeds HAVE stagnated, at least in the United States. Whatever small progress that has been made is drastically outpaced by the exponential increase in the file size of video games. There's also the good chance that Verizon, et al. will get their way with the FCC and the net neutrality issue and we'll see legitimate bandwidth throttling.
>>262287762
>implying I play games online
Not counting Tekken, I can count how many times I've played games online on one hand.
>>262287937
I think there's someone trying to be funny in this thread by posting really poor trolls.
>>262287538
Considering the PS3 and PS4 aren't backwards compatible, even with PSN games, I don't know why they even think they have shit on Valve.
When your PS2 finally dies, buy another if you can, or enjoy buying them again from PSN, and then again when the PS5 comes out (implying it ever will).
Now that consoles are based on x86 hardware, we might see some form of standard that will let generations be backwards compatible, but that just echoes that consoles are stripped down, DRM computers that don't even need to exist.
>just ordered a 2TB external HDD
280GB Battlestar Galactica rip, here I come.
>>262287762
only if you buy shit games
>>262287482
the same goes for HDD and your account could disappear in one click
>>262286869
>>262286909
>Too bad the read/write times would make any other medium look lightning fast.
full tape reading from a WORM-locked taped is 140MB/s anon
To be fair I only use it to archive my games...
I'm not an itchy person that wants to access it all the time.
I made it to the point where I have two seperate HDD one that holds my favorite games and ones for extracting files from the tapes if ever I want to extract shit.
also
>tfw finally finished archiving every GBA ROM and SNES ROM From emuparadise
>>262288057
Exactly.
>>262288067
I wish BSG was better than it was.... :(
>>262287958
Yes. They last far longer, but they still start to lose data after many years.
writable disks start to lose data anywhere form 5-10 years.
>>262288057
>When your PS2 finally dies, buy another if you can
I've never owned a console and already played most of the console games I was interested in up to the PS2 gen
>>262283254
Agree with this for large games
Its not cheaper but discs are at a limit
>>262288039
The US is infamous for having outdated internet speeds. Go to any country in western Europe and you'll see that 100/100 connections are the standard ones. On a 100MB connection, a file size like 35GB is nothing. It's much more convenient and faster than going to the store and getting it physical. Hell, on a 100MB connection, bandwidth stops becoming the problem and the HDD space instead becomes the bottleneck.
>>262288056
am not even trying to be funny, if manufacturer wanted to brick systems, why they did not started since PS2 or Dreamcast, consoles that started using the internet for gaming.
PROTIP: my PS2 and Dreamcast still working but Windows XP is not because MS wanted, the same could happen to Steam/Valvehur dur comparing OS with Hardware
>>262288125
HDD do die. Infact they die quite often in consoles, where they are hard to replace because they need older formats or require a certain size.
If your original Xbox HDD dies, kiss the whole system goodbye. You can't even replace the HDD without having first softmodded and backed up the eeprom
I still buy CDs, DVDs, and Blu-Rays. I just bought some CDs a couple days ago.
another advantage PC/Steam has over consoles is that the online features of games typically last forever, unlike consoles where when they die, they require mountains of reverse engineering work to get working, something that will only happen for games with dedicated communities.
>>262283752
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006GDVREI/
>>262289163
Fuck off idiot.
>>262289163
>the online features of games typically last forever
How about starting with them being free?
>>262288894
I think you're really confused and possibly still trolling....
Microsoft cannot 'brick your system'.
I have no idea what happened to your computer, but its not what you think.
>finnish internet speed 100/100
>is actually 24/8 on average
like a lewd promise that never happened
>>262288894
Didn't think of it/Didn't think they could get away with it/Didn't think of a way of implementing it.
Planned obsolescence usually makes planned failure irrelevant in entertainment electronics.
Hardware is kept shit so people place hope in new hardware.
Worth death.
>Steam
Fuck off to /a/
>>262289358
the truth hurts
>>262288541
Right, I get that. America isn't Scandinavia, however, and with such a sizable portion of the population still downloading at ~2mbps, physical media will still have a function.
>>262289163
that means nothing if there is not people to play the game, right now most of the online games are dead thanks to casual gaming, assfaggot games and MMOs
>>262289804
That's actually the basis for most engineering too, your boss doesn't want something to last 30-40 years like a bridge when you're making a "toy" that only someone with a disposable income would want to buy. So making it so the product becomes obsolete a 5-6 year time is preferable since it gives time to make larger improvements and also make up any losses from the initial sale, like how Sony decided to sell the PS3s at losses and making up for it with add-on purchases or PS+ subs.
>>262289509
Microsoft can. They have for 360 users who modded their consoles and played online. Microsoft comply with govt and integrate backdoors into their OSs.
Microsoft is in no way a good company.
XP outperforms 7 & 8. It doesn't recieve updates now.
Buying microsoft ensures buying something with a short lifespan. Intentionnaly made with problems and limitations.
>>262290029
I still like knowing I can always get some friends together and play an older game online.
And in many cases older titles have niche communities that build around them. Or even big communities, like UT99 that people still play. Even Doom. Those niche communities really add spice to online gaming, I say.
That isn't impossible on consoles, but it's much, much harder to preserve the online.
>>262290330
Sorry, i mean a PC. Microsoft cannot brick your PC.
XP does not outperform 7 and 8. Not even close.
>>262290330
Win 7 runs smoother than XP
>>262282216
>practical
heh no. Long term storage with CDs is really unreliable.
>>262281736
My case doesn't even have a slot for a disk drive. I live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere and even I could download full games within half an hour on steam.
>>262283254
The cheapness of CDs comes from the fact that they are produced like photocopies, the whole surface is burned at the same time with a stencil. The only way a USB drive could beat that is if it was made in a similar fashion, which isn't really realistic.
>>262286528
Combat piracy? How does that work?
>>262289164
>http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006GDVREI/
>Green
Enjoy your dead drive.
>>262282216
>For games? Yes. Discs have absolutely no purpose there.
I dunno, Anon, they're pretty great for owning them and playing them. Not sure if you're familiar with either of those. Just about half my game library is physical.
>>262282704
>>262282432
Privilege thread? Privilege thread.
>>262294641
>Enjoy your dead drive.
Greens last longer than other drives because they have a lower RPM.
>>262283283
>Microsoft can stop service to your console at any time, they can stop supporting or brick your hardware which is the only thing you have to play your silly disc with.
Guess what? I still own the game. None of that actually affects THE FUCKING GAME, ON THE DISC that I do indeed *own*. Nobody is touching my discs or the games I own, and nothing can possibly revoke my right to sell them or lend them out as I feel like it. None of that can be said in the case of the concentration camp that is Steam.
>Referring a disc as a disk
Nigger, please.
Also yes, they are very obsolete, especially in terms of gaming.
>>262294771
r8
>>262286528
That's not true at all, since it's already an online-only game with no private server support. If the game were 1 GB, pirates still couldn't play it.
>>262294338
>How does that work?
Nobody wants do download a 50GB+ game and people in shitty countries have an internet cap.
>>262282432
>>262294641
Why is green considered inherently worse and why do companies care about making a drive 'clean' in the first place.
>>262289163
>online features of games typically last forever
>>262294919
>WD Green
>Ever
>>262295113
I'm on satellite internet with a 10GB monthly bandwidth shared by the family because we live on a dirt road with no cable in the streets.
Fuck you.
>>262295418
>Why is green considered inherently worse
Because /v/ is retarded.
>>262295531
Yeah, better get a fucking 15k RPM Barracuda to watch Anime on occasionally. Seriously?
>>262283254
>discs die out
>cartridges return
I have dreamt of this moment
>>262295321
If it is uncompressed just zip it and it will be compressed. Torrent file with a zip in it. Magic, eh?
>>262295779
There's people in places like Australia with 20GB caps.
>>262288275
>I wish BSG was better than it was.... :(
My two favorite Sci-fi's of 00 BSG and ME
both went downhill in a fiery blaze of disappointment.
what happened?
>>262295869
kek Australia is truly the second shittiest country, after Sweden.
No one needs protable storage like that any more because everything has a hard disc and soon everything will have an SSD
>>262295869
>mfw the only thing you can get is wireless despite living in the inner suburbs because telstra are a bunch of jews
It's better than nothing but when you can barely hit 1 megabyte download you know you're country has third world internet.
>>262295976
Ron Moore is a hack who was so desperate to keep the show alive that he willingly shat all over plot and character consistency.
>>262295737
Read-only SD cards produced with optical stenciling... this could work, since disks have a limit how narrow their track widths can be because moving parts, a problem solid state cards would avoid.
>>262296187
SSD's will always be half a decade behind traditional mechanical HDD's. And to me, the speed difference isn't enough to justify the much higher dollar per GB ratio.
>>262294771
>>262294934
>>262295176
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8
>>262296449
Wrong on both accounts
>>262296241
I remember watching a segment on news here in Canada in a town where no ISP wanted to go since it wasn't profitable so the citizens of the region organized but providers tried to jew cellphone plans and such rather than actual good internet so they said fuck it and got it on their own and they payed like $50 per year for unlimited data but I don't think they mentioned the speed.
The current ISPs need competition.
>>262296449
SSD's what? HHD's what?
>>262296734
It's about 60 bucks a month here for unlimited 1gbps. They even install fibre for free in your house. I have no idea how they make money,
>>262296734
I never understand companies. Here are customers more than willing to give them cash if you give them a decent product (Cable broadband at least, since who knows when the NBN will happen). But instead they go nah fuck ya, we have the rights, the technology but can't be assed.
>>262297356
They need to build infrastructure, hire workers in that region, set up offices etc.. sometimes it's not worth it.
>>262297106
Solid State Drive
Hard Disk Drive
Welcome to computers.
>>262297637
Can't you just call them hard drives? Jesus christ
>>262297637
yea, but which part of them?
>>262297775
The... drive part?
>>262297757
>terms that everyone ever uses are hard to understand
I wasn't even the guy who originally made the post about them.
>>262297775
What?
>>262297958
>>262297980
weow. Apostrophe and S clearly shows possessive. lrn2english
>>262298172
Okay.
>>262298172
If we're going to be grammar nazis then a HHD isn't the same thing as a HDD even though they serve the same purpose.
>>262289904
>scandinavia
you're thinking of sweeden.
norway is lagging behind western europe, and is not a top tier contry for internet. probably because of low population density making it too expencive to expand. at least we have no bandwith limits, and nobody goes after pirates in any way.
>>262297757
How stupid can you fucking sound? Thats like saying theres a difference between a ps4 and wii u and you reply "Cant you just call them video gaymes? Jesus christ"
>>262287271
>SNES still works fine
>Genesis still works fine
>Atari 2600/7800 still work fine
The NES would probably be just as reliable had they kept it a top loader like the Famicom.
You still have the NES model 2 which will probably work just as long as the SNES.
>>262283283
>Microsoft can stop service to your console at any time, they can stop supporting or brick your hardware which is the only thing you have to play your silly disc with.
They could but it could create a shitstorm of the worst magnitude. You think people are going to buy Xbox consoles if they knew that Microsoft can stuck lighting on their console brick if Microsoft pisses them off.
Xbox consoles are the leasted targeted for modding, and pirating. It's jthe bricking thing is ust a bluff to scare pirates/modder trying to homebrew their consoles.
