>Gets some other guy's hopes up for no reason other than he wanted to scout you out.
>Recruits you against your will as you're watching your family die
>Sends you into battle immediately against opponents you've never faced, giving you no advice on how to survive because "muh test"
>Forces you to drink poison as a reward
>Kills a man when he refuses to drink the poison on the basis he has a wife and child.
>Dies in battle after trying to defend, then avenge, an absolute moron.
>Remembered as a noble hero and caring mentor by all.
Is this guy the biggest idiot/cunt of recent times?
Now that you meantion it, yeah.
Duncan is a douche
>>261185075
>Takes you in when you've got nowhere to go
>Doesn't care that you're Dwarven Peasantry/ Elven Peasantry
>Teaches you how to be a bad-ass that doesn't afraid of anything
>Believes in you
>Leading a cause the rest of the world is too complacent to support
>Sacrificing his own happiness for the rest of Farelden
Yeah man, what a dick.
Do you see anybody else fighting the darkspawn I don't see anybody else fighting the spawns
>>261185075
Well shit anon when you put it like that
Sometimes he's a dick, sometimes he's not.
Like a lot of people, really.
>>261185075
Yes. Grey Wardens are the illuminati of dragon age and are behind everything
It's kinda the point.
They are called "Grey" Wardens for a reason (it's like poetry, etc)
His actions and beliefs are morally grey in nature and revolve around making sure his order is ready to do what's necessary for the greater good, no matter the cost.
>>261185665
And yet when Loghain does that, he's evil.
>>261185369
Sounds like you like to be baby'd, anon.
>>261185796
Loghain quit a battle, causing the deaths of thousands of people. There's a huge difference.
>>261186098
So he could rule in place of a young and stupid king who would've probably led to more deaths seeking the ridiculous glory he dreamed about.
>>261185995
>Sounds like you like to be baby'd, anon.
Naw, it sounds like I'm not an immoral faggot, who can into deeper reasoning.
>>261185796
Loghain was just pissy about Orlesians helping with the Blight, no greater good there.
>>261186247
>Deeper reasoning
>The end justifies the means
You can't get more shallow than your moral compass, stupid.
>>261186232
He would have to face the Darkspawn sooner or later. Could have prevented a lot of later trouble and deaths if he defeated the Darkspawn army right there.
>>261186329
>he doesn't know about Kohlberg's moral stages
laughingpsychologists.jpg
>>261186232
>young and stupid king
The only indication we get is that he was naive enough to want the glory of fighting Darkspawn. Nothing implies that he was outrightly stupid, or otherwise incompetent. He was just an idealistic young bro.
>>261186232
good chance they would have won ostagar had he not pulled out
just because cailan wasnt that great doesnt mean its justified to let him and hundreds others die and expect the rest of the nation to bow down
Loghain made no sense at all
>two possible threats
>Hm, what should I focus my efforts on?
>a huge, confirmed, Darkspawn army heading our way from the south-- already destroyed one village
>a band of faggots consisting of a betafag, a cunt, a chantry bitch, a drunken dwarf, an awkward qunari, a grandma, an elf (whom I hired to assassinate the warden-- and failed), a walking rock, and a fucking dog
>THE BAND OF FAGGOTS IS THE BIGGEST THREAT TO MY NATION!
>>261186232
>stupid kid
rude, he took glory in battles, that's about it.
>>261186515
Loghain's fatal flaw was small thinking, that was the whole point, dummy.
>>261186456
He was trying to sell out to the orlesians or something like that, like an arranged marriage. Loghain didn't take that too well
>>261186098
Actually conversations between Wynne and Loghain reveal that the army was retreating long before Loghain left. Wynne even says all the mages were long gone before the King died.
>>261186667
He was about to divorce Loghain's daughter and marry an Orlesian noble to cement the peace.
Loghain took issue.
>>261186515
Well the band of faggots were the ones that took him down
>>261186758
I thought it was the empress?
>>261186667
Yep its revealed he was going to divorce Anora to marry the Empress of Orlais and making Fereldan part of Orlais again.
>Kills a man when he refuses to drink the poison on the basis he has a wife and child.
This one really got me. That's like a frat killing a pledge for wanting to back out after seeing a fellow pledge get raped.
>>261186448
Kohlberg's sense of morality was fucked to begin with. He assumed realizing each other's flaws bred universal understanding, without taking environment and experience into account.
>Warden Commander that commands only 1 warden.
>>261185075
You forgot the part where in the book he murders a man for a ring and then is forced to become a grey warden as punishment.
>>261186936
Yeah, that's the one. Can't really blame a nigga for letting his ass get wasted
>>261186757
retreating
because they were losing
because loghain was not helping
honestly how are you mixing this up
>>261185075
>Kills a man when he refuses to drink the poison on the basis he has a wife and child.
"Yeah man, this test is some bad shit, go home now if you don't want to be a grey warden, this is not for the faint of heart."
"Nah, I ain't a bitch"
Other guy drinks the poison and dies.
"Oh fuck, I want out"
"Nah man. I warned you, you had your chance. Sorry."
He had ample warning between all the fighting, the witches, the war happening. That guy was just a pussy.
>an absolute moron
Go to bed Loghain.
>>261185075
I honestly couldn't tell if he was supposed to be a hypocritical psycho cunt or if the writers couldn't tell he sounds like one.
I mean he made Jory believe that he can just quit the wardens and go back to his family once the whole ordeal is over.
>>261187093
>Implying Wynne didn't outright state that the mages left before Loghain pulled out.
>>261186963
the initiation is kept a strict secret since if it got out nobody would want to join, that being said I don't personally believe that's such a big deal, the knight fella was the only one to blubber about it, that noble thief guy knew what could happen and still decided to make it happen. then he died of course but still.
>>261187308
Mages are scum, of course they did.
>>261186667
And considering Loghain fought in the war to be free of Orlesian tyranny, many of the people he fought against are likely still alive.
Would anybody let that happen were they in Loghain's position?
>>261186963
uhhhhh
What the fuck is the blight even?
>>261187570
The Chaos Gods manifesting on Earth.
>>261187570
An Elder God gets corrupted and rises to the surface to try and eat everything.
>>261185796
Loghain never admits anything he did was morally reprehensible until you beat him at the moot.
Plus he makes it clear he's only does what he does to protect fereldan regardless of the greater good.
>>261187397
I wouldn't, that's for damn sure
>>261187570
It's the ichies you got after you did stuff to that lady that one time.
>>261187364
I am sure Loghain had something to do with that too though.
Okay so the chantry thinks the taint came from when mages opened a portal to the golden city or whatever. What if that's half true? What it was that the mages attempting to find the golden city, simply opened a portal to a Lovecratian dimension and thats where the taint comes from?
tl;dr What if the taint is Cthulhu?
>fire one volley of arrows
>send a pack of dogs
>send a disorganized mass of first time Chivalry players away from the fortified position and into the oncoming innumerable swarm of plague orcs
>not a single spear/pike in sight
>closest thing to a formation in the entire battle is a bunch of guys with sledgehammers who leave anyway
10/10 strategy, Ferelden.
>>261187397
>burning hate for orlesians
>lets hundreds of fereldens die to spite them
yeah way to show em
>>261187036
>Order founded with the purpose of performing a vitally important task
>Initially seen as noble, but starts to lose its luster over time
>Eventually has to fill out its ranks with criminals
>Desertion is punishable by death
Is this some kind of fantasy staple, or is the concept of the Grey Wardens based on the Night's Watch?
>>261187957
You're on /V
>>261188319
Well if Corypherus (or however it's spelled) is telling the truth and not crazy, it's completely true.
>>261188517
How do you make that slanted N?
>>261188517
>You're on /V
Well I didn't say she wasn't asleep/ dead.
>>261188319
Irrelevant because the maker himself is probably and elder god as well. All godlike beings are as as alien to mortals.
Cthullu is only a mid level god in the grand scheme of things anyway.
>>261188752
I was gonna say Yog-Sothoth but felt that Cthulhu would be more well known.
Man, this fucking thread is making me feel shitty about DA2 and DAI. I didn't even know I still cared about ferelden.
Such a cool setting, wasted forever. fuck you, EA.
>>261188428
But in doing so he stopped Orlesians again getting a foothold on Fereldan. In his mind, saving Fereldan from the return of Orlesian slavery.
>>261188628
>How do you make that slanted N?
Wow, that takes me back...
>>261188972
DA:I might beok
>>261188972
It's TheDAS: The Dragon Age Setting™ now :^)
>>261188986
>in his mind
thats why loghain is fucking nuts
paranoid about the orlesians leading to the blight nearly swallowing up ferelden
>>261188341
>Bioware
>Doing anything more than the absolute minimum, if even that
>>261189202
it was always thedas
>>261188857
The maker is probably azathoth and the mages poked him, making him scratch his ass while sleeping and thus releasing the blight.
>>261189251
But he was right. Imagine if the Nazi's had survived, then in the 90s we were all planning a mass alliance with them. Half of the country would still remember the war.
>>261189443
Or rather, imagine instead of WW2, we were actually enslaved by them for 100 years.
>>261188972
>playing origion
>hear everyone call ferelden a backwater shit hole
>get exited to see the other places of the world
>DA2 happens
fuck EA. seriously
>>261189565
the orlesian occupation ended like 20 years before dao though right?
>>261189251
In his mind it could've been
>Let the not-French take over his proud land again, possibly for good
>Let the darkspawn destroy it all
Remember one of the first codex pages you get states how big Ferelden is about their independence. If Loghain was going to see his nation ended regardless, he might prefer it go as a free realm than taken by french fries.
>>261185075
>Kills a man when he refuses to drink the poison on the basis he has a wife and child
>on the basis he has a wife and child
What? He killed him because no one would want to be a Warden if they knew they had to receive the darkspawn taint.
He didn't kill him because he had a wife and child
>>261189762
...Is this bait?
>>261189762
...wow
>>261189875
>>261189926
it is worded a bit ambiguously
>>261189762
Are you imagining commas where there are none?
>>261189762
...damn
>>261189748
>Not wanting your homeland taken over by people who talk like Leliana
For shame.;
>>261189875
>>261189926
Basis is your justification for something
>>261189443
letting cailan die to stop orlais from allying with ferelden because hes scared they would slip back into slavery
so he kills cailan and hundreds of other fereldens, seizes the throne and uses assassins to keep opposition down while doing nothing against the blight
how the fuck are you still defending him
>>261189762
wow
>>261189762
He refuses on that basis, he wasn't killed on that basis.
Not that it really excuses him.
Also i might add, its not so much the taint that makes them afraid its the dying. They'd probably take it much better if the joining tainted them without risk of instant death.
>>261190094
I think I'm getting triggered.
>>261190151
>how the fuck are you still defending him
Some people are really stupid anon.And evil.
>>261190151
He still didn't know it was a blight. There was no archdemon appearance.
>>261186936
Was he, really? I thought his ties to Orlais were just for commerce and getting help with the Blight for the Grey Wardens, and Loghain went apeshit because he was going to let Chavaliers in to help fight the Darkspawn along with Orlesian Grey Wardens.
It is implied he had an affair with the Empress of Orlais, but not that he was going to marry her, if I recall correctly.
>>261190030
Its worded correctly. To be worded as you read it, it would be:
>Kills a man when he refuses to drink the poison, on the basis he has a wife and child
>>261190310
but darkspawn destroying lothering and flooding into the bannorn is perfectly fine?
>>261190485
There were like two grey wardens still alive.
Clearly the bigger threat is not the enormous horde of monsters burning the countryside
>>261190310
I mean, he still ordered the destruction of House Cousland because they were loyal to Cailan even before the Battle of Ostagar.
>>261190485
Lothering was a shithole anyway. They didn't reach either of the...what...three(?) settlements that are actually worth anything until his plans had been fucked up by a bunch of fags.
>ITT: People trying to make sense of Bioware writing
>mfw
>>261190310
>He still didn't know it was a blight.
No, he didn't believe, or want to believe, that it was a Blight. Every indication was there.
Cailan marrying the Empress of Orlais would have been a dual monarchy, instead of an occupation. Also Anora couldn't give Cailan an heir. Loghain literally took his ball and went home.
>some people actually chose Loghain over Alistair
>>261190607
Sounds about right. They were loyal to him because he was king, rather than because of his character. Even after they fought alongside Loghain vs the Orlesians, they likely still wouldn't have helped him if he staged a coup. How can anybody trust people like that?
>>261190664
It used to be good.
>>261190721
>choosing the pussy gayboy
Feggtz get off my vidyerquads
>>261185075
Why even tell them it's darkspawn juice? Why not just say they have to drink this magical wine, and do it one by one so if they die nobody else knows about it
>>261190696
Cailan had this tendency to get pushed around by his spouse. Nigga was a betafag
>>261190721
>not siding with both
>>261188972
I'm about 2 hours in, just recruited the priest thief girl, and honestly the whole setting seems boring and generic as fuck. I don't know if I'll enjoy continuing.
>>261190696
Just like Hitler marrying Queen Elizabeth would've been a duel monarchy, right?
The Orlesians held his country in chains for a century. Letting them back in for any reason would be insanity.
>>261190721
>some people actually chose Loghain over Alistair
>tfw those people share our /v/
>>261188465
Naw, I'm pretty sure DAO at least pulls a lot of shit from ASoIaF
Bioware writting is idiotic in general ,especially when they try to write nuanced characters.
Fucking Loghain was the dumbest person ever.
>>261190696
>Loghain in his private mansion discussing evil politics
>wearing a full suit of plate armour
For fuck's sake Bioware
>>261188341
Why even send the dogs first like that, for fucks sake ferelden this is why you were enslaved for so long
>>261190721
>tfw made alistair marry the daughter of loghain
alistair a bro but hes probably not going to be a very good king
>>261190875
Nigga what is your fixation on Hitler? Orleans weren't Nazis and Anora wasn't Hitler.
>>261190625
how was lothering a shithole?
it was bad in da:o as it was pretty much turned into a refugee camp
through loghain quitting the battle and chasind folk / soldiers runnign from darkspawn
>>261190834
So he'd just be deceiving people into drinking liquid AIDS without even telling them what they're in for? Sounds 100% not cuntish to me. He's alright.
>>261190984
>implying you would ever take that awesome shit off if you didn't have to
>>261191059
Seriously, it's easier to make a comparison to France winning the 100 year war or something.
Then fucking demons
>>261190862
First game, to clarify
Alistair seems like a cool guy but the witch is a massive cunt, and Sten seems like a walking done-to-death stereotype. Priest girl seems alright.
>>261191123
Well it's either make a sacrifice or let everyone everywhere die
>>261190875
Cailan wasn't going to marry the Empress of Orlais. The alliance was just to secure heavier ties between Orlais and Ferelden and let the past go.
There was a subplot cut from the game in which Anora was unfaithful to Cailan, and that's why he wanted to diverce her, and look for another wife to give him an heir.
But Cailan wasn't going to marry the empress of Orlais
>>261185075
Was there any reason at all for him to kill the guy who wanted out? Is drinking darkspawn blood to join the wardens a massive secret or something?
>>261190878
that feel
>>261190875
Bad analogy because Empress Celene wasn't a hardliner. Her taking the throne opened more avenues of peace between the two countries.
>>261190925
Everything has been pulling a lot of shit from ASoIaF for a long time, anon.
>>261191186
Sten's pretty bro-tier once you get to know him.
>>261191059
You're right, they were more like Persians. I was using Nazi's due to the fact that the war with them was very recent and would've been remembered by some.
>>261191108
Yeah, I bet it was a beautiful burgeoning metropolis until then.
>>261190053
Anon, she may be pretty, but she's a bard and joan-of-arc-oc-donut-steel.
Plus I have the suspicion she's Gaider's waifu, which makes me want to stay far, far away from her.
>>261191229
>Is drinking darkspawn blood to join the wardens a massive secret or something?
Yes. I don't think most people would want to join the organization that's guaranteed to chop off half your lifespan
>>261191254
But Loghain remembered both being enslaved by, and at war with, these people. Nobody in his position would want peace with these people. They would want them dead, and failing that, would not want to see them under any circumstances. Certainly not friendly diplomatic meetings.
>>261191208
Nah, but the return to ostagar changed that plot so that it was that Cailan was going to leave Anora's ass for the Empress because she was barren.
Or some shit, they were all fucked. I'm a little upset I couldn't execute Anora, but I guess ordering Alistair to kill him with the big ass fucking sword he seems to carry around just for the occasion, then forcing her to be my wife was a pretty gud insult too
>>261191283
Not sure if it's worth using him over the dog. I might just bench the cunt since I'm a mage myself
tfw you will never conquer the world with the wardens with your god child and witch waifu
>>261191289
or just another farm town with normal people who didnt desrve what the darkspawn gave them but loghain let it happen anyway
>>261188465
They try to fill ranks with good fighters and leaders regardless of crimes. They sure as hell don't resort to recruiting wagonloads of prisoners even if it means they only get a handful of recruitsnper joining.
Plus as far as the public knows the wardens enjoy a ton of privileges without any rules other than "kill darkspawn" and "protect people from darkspawn".
>>261191263
Other then your typical generic grimdark fantasy ripoff novels I never saw a lot things do it. It's all Tolkien shit.
>>261191476
If you're the mage bench Morrigan and keep Leliana, Sten, and Allistair in
You want a party with as few weaknesses as possible and there's no need for two DPS mages at the same time
>>261185796
but loghain wasn't evil, just misunderstood the threat
>>261191393
>Yes. I don't think most people would want to join the organization that's guaranteed to chop off half your lifespan
Dude, they FIGHT DARKSPAWN. That's already guaranteed to chop off 90% of your lifespan. It's just no one wants to die without having even accomplished anything.
>>261191393
>people irl have little problems joining military/police/firefighters or just doing stupid shit like base jumping on their own time and money
Nope. Just bad writing.
>>261191632
>tfw nothing else as insane as TES
>>261191483
>Tfw you will never fuck your qt apostate sister and start a line of inbred bastards leading the war against the chantry
>tfw you will never join your Warden Mage Cousin and his God Baby in just straight taking over the mutha fucking world
Sten and Shale are two great party members to have throughout the game. They have the best conversations.Shale wants the Q D.
>>261191668
Didn't want to deal with her vile, slimy cunt anyway. Thanks anon
>>261191813
TES benefits from their usage of the fourth wall, but I think we're going to rapidly see TES start losing the unique lore it has.
>Tfw reading about barbed khajit cocks as a child in a ingame book
>>261191812
If the Green Berets required you to play russian roulette as the final part of your joining, would you want the Green Berets to force you into service?
>>261191823
the only tolerable girl in the entire game being your sister was DA2's biggest crime of all
>>261191992
You know he's going to say yes or some other stupid shit. He's being argumentative; don't feed him.
>>261191962
At least Skyrim went in the right direction lorewise from the shitstain of Oblivion. Let's hope Hammerfell gets better.
>>261192020
Aveline's ok. And FemHawke (duh).
AndMeredith was right.
>>261192020
Thats because the only characters Bioware does not give gimmicks to are non-romanceable females.
Because even the non-romanceable guys have to be LOLBROTIER and the romancable cunts have to be built around some dumbass quirk.
Aveline, Sister, Wynne was decently written I think, even if the preachy holier than thou mentor lady as been done to death, are among a few to name. ME1 Tali, though she didn't have much of a character at all.
>>261186098
And if he would have fought he would have died and lost even more men.
>>261191992
>There are existing countries with mandatory conscription to army service right now
>People who can't pull it off get pulled in and scarred for life anyway
Would you describe our world as less or more cruel than Thedas?
>>261191938
She's a massive bitch for the most part but she softens up later
>>261192310
They rebuilt my faith after Dragonborn.
If they could go back to higher level gear being extremely rare and expensive, kind of like Morrowind, I would have enjoyed Skyrim a lot more. Handplaced Daedric shit, hell even finding dwemer shit at the early levels always made me ecstatic.
I remember that one ruin where there was a room with a artifact shield, some daedric gear, and a bunch of daggers in skulls. Was cool as shit finding that room for the first time
>>261192512
We don't know that.
>>261192603
self-proclaimed man eaters getting all ass flustered over this emotion we call love is my fetish. Or maybe fetish isn't the right word.
>>261192102
>baww he's not agreeing with me i quit
Hi Phil
>>261192730
I actually wonder what would have happened? The battle goes good, the arch demon comes in, and one of the veteran grey wardens smash his shit in?
Loghain did nothing wrong aside from not know that Gray Wardens were absolutely MANDATORY to end a Blight because LOLMAGIC. I mean, shit, MAYBE the little fucker would even win against the Darkspawn--unlikely, but maybe a MAGICAL MIRACLE HERO would show up and fuck Loghain's plans up and prove him wrong. Unlikely, but hey, it gave the kid a sporting chance instead of just assassinating him.
I mean, consider the following: Ferelden's young dumbshit King--who was married to Loghain's daughter, who was one actually running the Kingdom because the King was a dumbfuck--was sending god damned love letters to the Queen of Orlais--the fucking nation which was occupying Fereldan and who Loghain and the King's father spent their WHOLE LIVES fighting a guerrilla war against to drive out--because he was a stupid little piece of shit with a head full of romantic stories about make-believe knights and heroes.
>>261192970
What the fuck are you trying to say in your first paragraph, holy fuck
>>261192776She likes jewlery
Now go make her spray her spaghetti all over the camp
>>261185369
Duncan shill detected.
>>261192642
Morrowind treasure hunting is fun as fuck. I recall finding a Nord tomb hidden in a Dunmer tomb, the location of which is vaguely given by a Nord you buy drinks for.
The place you mentioned is also indirectly mentioned in a book. It mentions a grand funeral where a lot of people got slaughtered at a deadric shrine, but there's nothing there. Then you look around and find the tomb outside where the treasure actually is.
awful character but meant to be the wise hero, just another example of bioware writing
>>261192909
That's how Blights usually go. They're snuffed out before they become a huge problem. That's the whole purpose of the Wardens, to kill the thing at the root before it becomes a country-wide and the world-wide problem.
Again, that's how they USUALLY go.
But Loghain didn't think it was an actual Blight, so he thought it wouldn't get much worse if they just left it alone. Basically, instead of cutting out the cancer when it was just a nasty lump, he let it metastasize.
>>261193168
I know anon I've played it.
I actually like Morrigan for the most part, other then her occasional do senseless evil shit for the sake of doing evil sensless shit.
Like she can't understand pragmatism.
No I'm not helping the mages because I'm a normal faggot, I'm helping the mages because they're more versatile and useful in battle then the templars, because they can do defensive and offensive shit just as effectively.
I found it hilarious that a glitch made Wynne approve when I cuckolded that little elf bitch
>>261193383
>>261192970
And the Wardens are so secretive thanks to their bullshit initiation secret that they can't even tell people WHY they're needed. Loghain would've had no idea what their skillsets actually were, or that they were necessary to kill archdemons becauseBioware writing
>>261193383
Actually this blight was the shortest one in history IIRC. Usually blights are drawn out affairs. I just wonder if Cailan and Loghain with Duncan could have ended the blight there and then had everything gone according the plan
>>261193351
I don't think he's meant to be wise, just a patriot that really didn't want to do anything with the country he fought against all his life
>>261186456
Dude, everyone talks about how the king is a young naive idiot, even his wife admitted she did most of the actual ruling while he was basically a kid playing pretend.
>>261186515
Loghain was always in denial of the darkspawn threat, since he grew up on years of peace when it came to them. His life revolved around threats of other people, not blighted monsters. He thought he was being realistic when it came to putting the potential Orlesian threat over a supposed Blight.
It's not that he's short sighted he was just raised on knowing a different kind of enemy his whole life. One that is constant and real, rather than one that pops every few hundred years or something.
>>261193530
Morrigan only understands pragmatism in the most basic, unsocial maner.
Before playing the game i thought she would be manipulative and sly, but shes basically just a selfish ignorant barbarian because she was raised alone in the woods and doesnt understand social pragmatism.
man, at the battle of Ostagar where were the mages anyways? You bring down some walking weapons of magical destruction from their tower, then not field them against the horde?
fuck,just have a couple mages cast Storm of The Century a few times and that whole darkspawn horde could have been cleared in minutes.
I bet the Chantry did this.
>>261194337
I always thought she was autistic
>>261188341
Sending the dogs first was really retarded of them. They kill quickly and can traverse the battlefield way faster than any of them can. Plus the whole point of marking themselves is to help them distinguish friend from foe in the middle of a battle. They should have been released after the fighting started.
>See Duncan
>Get that comfy desire to hear his chocolatey voice again
>Remember how long and pointless the levels are
>Remember mages
>Remember the Fade
>Remember Orzammar
>Remember that incredibly mediocre climax
>Remember how in a 30+ hour long game, the main character will spout the same 5 lines again and again
>Remember having to deal with low influence Morrigan
>Remember having to be Alistair's therapist
How can a game that's so good
Be so bad
>>261194524
The Chantry did do it. They're extremely anti-magic
>>261194643
Can I get you a ladder? So you can climb off my back.
>>261194535
Nah, just socially retarded.
>>261194754
GET off, not CLIMB off.
>>261192642
The rareness of good loot is one thing that made Morrowind amazing. I wouldnt have minded crafting your own rare armor but it should be way more difficult to gather the ingredients or make preperations. For fuck's sake in Morrowind they talk about all this secret ritual shit you need to do in order to transform ebony into daedric armor but in Skyrim it's just like "Hammer away whenever you feel like.
>>261194754
>There is no glory in bloodshed!
>We're shedding blood in an arena for someone's personal glory
>>261194643
>Overwhelm
>>261192392
>Tfw Aveline was the best character in DA2
Meredith would have been awesome too if they didnt make her go full retard at the end. She had a great design and a believable motivation.
>>261194827
s-sorry
>>261194748
Its hard to blame the mages for wanting freedom and rebelling considering how much the damn church hates them and locks them up.
But, then I remember Anders in da2 and how every single mage you meet in the whole game DOES turn out to be a bloodmage, necromancer, or abomination. So yeah, maybe the Chantry does have a point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXNvDzlXqSA
>>261195125
Who Aveline fan here?
>>261195125
>>261195387
I liked Aveline
I hated get NTRed by that faggot
>>261195164
It's arguable that they turn to those forbidden magics because that's the only way to get out from under the templars, but the templars just see it as a reason to press down ever harder
>>261195164
I played a mage and thinking logically I could not find any reason not to side with the templars in DA2. When the leader of the mages is a blood mage, you know it's all rotten to the core.
>>261195125
It's a tie between Aveline, Varric, and CheekyFemHawke
>>261195164
In DA2 that was kind of explained away. The reason everyone there is crazy, violent, and prone to blood magic is because it sits near the holding cell of one of the arch magisters who entered the golden city. Just being near him causes people near him to go mad.
A bullshit excuse but at least they did something to acknowledge "Hey, why the fuck is literally 99% of the mages here being retarded"
>>261194892
Fuck man, like I'm glad no one else really used Daedric in the game, but shit should not be that easy. Shit son, Daedric armor was a fucking quest to get itself in Morrowind if you didn't want to just murder Divayth mother fucking Fyr. Leave the final crafting at dragonbone and have daedric be some near mythic shit.
I was ok with weapons in morrowind not being as rare as armor, makes sense to me that people would have enough money/time to make one dagger or sword. But damn. I think Skyrims dungeons were better then most people make them out to be, but some damn handplaced loot, or the occasional snippet of some sort of fucking story about the dungeon would have been nice
>>261185075
Quality Bioware writing.
>>261195513
Kirkwall was a Tevinter slave hub so it's pretty obvious the veil there would be thin as fuck across the entire city
Bad place for mages
>>261195387
She was ok untill I had to do that ridiculous quest trying to set her up with her man. What the fucking fuck. I could stomache DA2, I never finished it because it was just uninspired and repetitive, but god damn that was the one mission that made me cringe.
I was pleasantly suprised she wasn't a Don't Need No Man feminist cunt
>>261195569
they could never figure out how to make dragonbone badass.
Like, it looks way less durable then steel, but its supposed to be on-par or surpass daedric.
>>261195739
>>261195513
why even have a mage prison there in the first place than if everyone knows it?
>>261195905
Quality Bioware writing
And there's really no other place to store all those mages
>>261195827
But anon, the cringeworthiness of it was what made that quest excellent. It was funny.
You need to lighten up, man.
>>261195569
>find mine just off the road and very easy to find because its right in the way of escorting that one woman for a quest
>go to vivec and receive free daedric weapon of your choice at level one
it wasn't that hard
>>261195739
there was also those codex entries about how the entire city was arranged into some giant rune fueled with blood of missing slaves for some magical reason. Best theory is the city was where they opened the portal to the Fade through sacrificing a shitload of slaves.
>>261195876
I think innate elemental resistance or flat magical resistiance would have done the trick. Lookswise i think bone was just terrible. skin was decent. I liked the over the top edginess of Daedric armor if only because it felt like it fit lorewise, but was a bit dissapointed that the shoulders make you look weird as fuck if you wear it without a helmet
>>261195996
I'm pretty sure he meant the armor, not weapons.
Weapons were much easier to get, because you could get them from Golden Saints and Dremora.
>>261195996
I said armor, not weapons. Weapons were piss easy to get, armor, there was only one set in the whole game. It was scattered about too. Wasn't hard but it did feel earned
>>261196000
>trips
Dragon Age has some really cool lore that the games completely fail to live up to
>>261195996
>Daedric weapons
>Anywhere near as rare as the armor
>>261195989
Wasn't funny anon. It was terribly written. I mean DA2 had it's charm. I really liked that they showed the party members interacting with eachother. In DAO and even ME, they didn't at all unless you were in a part together. And the Scarface mission of Varrus was bretty gud. But damn I couldn't stand that quest.
That fact that you dojust means we have different senses of humor
>>261196196
could say that about most of bioware games. Like, I love the setting of mass effect, cool universe and all, but what do we get from it? a shitty game with shitty endings or books where the cyborg ninja fucker breaks into a dudes house and eats his cereal.
>>261195569
Hand placed loot is something they really need to go back to. To this day my favorite memory of playing Morrowind for the first time was being a good enough thief to sneak into the House vaults in Vivec. I was always curious what could be behind such heavily locked and guarded doors and i practically jizzed my pants when i saw all the ebony and glass armor and weapons.
>>261196469
It's things like that that make me wonder if I could write fanfiction that's written better than the source material
they really need to give up on 3d. i mean when we can get free-form environment destruction hell yes. but otherwise go 2d for style and presentation.
>>261196567
The house vaults oh lawd.
The only issue I had with Morrowind is that it is a bit easy to exploit and break into shit like that sometimes.
Non-leveled shops were great too. I mean there was some high end gear sold in some places, but for the most part, even having full dwemer armor made you feel a bit seasoned in game
>>261196196
who wrote the codex thing anyway?
>>261196771
This. I have no problem playing a 2d game like Baldurs Gate. Imagine the amount of extra shit they could add in it today with the technology of AAA companies.
>>261196950
Someone with a decent imagination and enough technical knowledge to make bullshit sci-fi stuff sound believable
>>261189443
>>261189565
I dunno, the Indian wars ended in 1890 and the Natives had no problems signing up with the American and Canadian government to fight the Nazis. Hell one of my grandfathers got drunk and was kicked out twice and both times he signed up with fake names to get back to the fighting. He eventually became a sniper and racked up enough kills to be hunted down and taken out by a countersniper, sad ending but the point is if the threat is big enough people will sign up with people who not that long ago were their enemy.
>>261196859
The ease of breaking the game is part of the charm, but something i think is fine to move away from. I had no idea about all the broken shit i could do to make things way easier so actually getting to the rare items and finding them felt like a real accomplishment.
>>261185075
god I hated this guy (in a love to hate kind of way)
he was supposed to be some level headed obi wan but he was really fucking shady
but hey thats why they are called the Grey Wardens huh?
>>261196614
Problem is that writing codexes and shit is relativley easy. I want to be a fantasy writer, and I have pages upon pages of codex type entries on this vast world. But when I try to type up a coherent story on this world, it falls apart. I think the problem is that bioware is filled with people like me. Yeah they can make all these cool ideas and shit, but they can absolutely not apply it into a good narrative.
I guess I would describe it as just being idea men. You can't write a story or design a game with just idea men. Even worse is that it doesn't take a lot of talent to do that in any case, but most people feel it does.
>>261191365
I thought he was gay
>>261197156
Breaking the game does add to the charm I agree, but it can be done so quickly. Move back from it a little, make it require some dedication. Like it requires legit grinding of magical skills to be able to abuse magic to become a god.
>>261185075
This picture needs a scumbag duncan meme.
>>261191365
>Gayder's waifu
At most she's her daughter-fu, if not his self-fu.
>>261186098
It's hinted that they would've lost anyway. Cailan wanted an epic battle of epicness and thought they would end the blight right there. They would've been routed and wouldn't have had Bryce's men to back them up, on account of Howe.
Loghain did the right thing for the wrong reasons.
>>261191365
>>261197557
I thought Isabella was his waifu, unless that was one of the other devs.
>>261197642
This. Loghain was a huge twat about it. And he ended up fucking himself over anyways by taking on the worse allies. Fucking Howe of all people. Like return to Ostagar just felt like him constantly trying to justify his own maneuver because he realized his original reason was a shitty one
>>261197871
So is Isabella wearing pants or is that just her skin.
>Adding a bunch of forgettable OC donut steels into DA:I
>Not bringing back one of the few good things about DA2.
In a way i'm kind of glad, at least they dont have a chance to ruin her character. I feel sorry for Varric knowing he has to be part of that mess.
>>261198041
Irrelevant. She's probably got all sorts of diseases.
>>261190721
I did the Harden quest to man Alistar up then made him marry Anora. I spared Loghain and let him kill the Archdemon then I went on to take command of the Grey Wardens in Ferelden and rebuild Amaranthine.
It probably doesn't matter anymore what with Bioware's obsession with their shitty narrative, but it is objectively the best outcome.
>>261198221
>not marrying Alistair yourself then commanding the Wardens in Amaranthine
>>261198221
it's likely Mage Warden will be canon because it ties the story nicely with DA2 on the account of the Amells being related to the Hawkes
>>261198164
Well, at least Fem Hawke shows u-
>She looks like a retarded version of her DAII self
O-oh.
>>261198396
Default in Cisquisition is a female dalish warden who sacrificed herself.
You can't have nice things.
>>261198474
>>261198396
You can edit Hawke and the Warden's appearance, class, and origin
>>261198606
I don't want to edit her. She looked perfect in 2. Bioware's version of Frostbyte makes her look awful in I.
>>261198753
Are you basing this off the split second in the trailer, or on something more?
>>261198862
Yes,
>>261198987
Glad we cleared that up.
>>261195125
Getting friendzoned by Aveline was one of the highlights of DA2.
What happened to Morrigan's elder god child thing?
>>261199759
Scrapped. Didn't fit Gaider's amazing narrative.
>>261199759
Probably gonna pop up in Inquisition in some capacity.
>>261197328
I know, man. I got a fucking great setting, I feel, with details on all the races that tie them in different ways, and I'm really happy with how I fleshed out humans, but I don't know how to make a story exploring it. I had an idea for a young illusionist wizard who recently got a scholarship to a prestigious school, and then I'm not sure of the plot.
>>261199976
He starts seeing/noticing illusions in the world as he gets more education, at first they're innocuous, then bigger and bigger and boom Magical Matrix run by wizards who thought ordinary people didn't deserve the "real-or-is-it" world.
BEST
COMPANION
COMING
THROUGH
>>261192730
Did you look at that cutscene? There were thousands of darkspawns attacking them. Hell even if Loghain would haven jumped in and tried to save them he would have been surrounded by darkspawn in a matter of seconds.
>>261200535
>using the mod that makes him a summon like in 2
>>261197094
>if the threat is big enough
How were the nazis a threat to Native Americans?
Sounds like your granpa was just a violent drunk who liked killing people.
>>261185075
Man I really liked the look of the Dwarves and their city but I hate how they made them not back stabbing pieces of shits instead of noble hard working race of forgers and miners.
>>261198592
well that's just fucking gay.
I want my fucking Mage God Warden broing it up with his cousin and both lusting after their sister/cousin
>>261189443
Yea, but you're not thinking about the enemy hear. If crazy bloodthirsty aliens showed up in the 90's, threatening to kill every single living thing, then I'm pretty sure a nazi alliance would be viable
>>261189875
>>261189926
>>261190045
>>261190159
obvious samefag
>>261200314
same problem I have, I have everything set up, even the fucking storyline I want to write about comes out great in "wikipedia" type form, but I can't write characters for shit. Feels shitty that likely it will all go to waste.
I would love one day to write a book and if it gets big enough read it get slammed on /lit/
>>261200314
I kind of wanted him to be sent off adventuring with his insect girl not-waifut to explore the setting
