Anyone else feel bad for Sakurai?
This man puts so much into this game. He had significant health issues due to the stress of making the last game, and went in on his birthday this year to make this one happen. He loves for things to be surprises. He even removed the subspace thing from this one due to people uploading cutscenes and not having it be a surprise for people who bought the game to enjoy. He loves this series, and is a fan as much (if not easily more) as anyone on this forum. All he would ask from us is to not spoil his fun, and let the game be a surprise.
And then, the leaks happens.
So here we have Sakurai, who has worked so hard and asked so little, and some ass wipe comes in to have his 10 min of fame and ruin the one thing he asked not to do.
>>259787089
>This man puts so much into this game.
You mean, he REMOVES so much from this game.
>>259787089
I thought the same. The "fun" thing is, that the leaks happened just some weeks before the release so it must really rustle his jimmies.
How did he react when Brawl was leaked?
>>259787209
Have you ever made a game?
>>259787089
FUCK SAKURAI
He makes tons of money making games, he doesn't need you to white knight him for his shitty decisions.
Well, he got pretty mad when the SE cutscenes were posted on Youtube, just imagine how he is right now.
The game is pretty close to launch, but at least Duck Hunt was going to be the big final reveal.
>>259787821
He was pretty dissapointed if I recall
I have a feeling that not everything is lost. I suppose the leaker only got a portion of the game for feedback and it's not the final version. There are still some surprises, especially with the Wii U coming out later this year.
>>259787821
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/01/sakurai_reiterates_that_therell_be_no_subspace_emissary_style_story_in_super_smash_bros
>>259787089
He favors his IPs too much IMO. Unless he's just reusing assets.
>>259788380
Wii U version*
>>259788343
>Well, he got pretty mad when the SE cutscenes were posted on Youtube, just imagine how he is right now.
Source?
Well, maybe if he had made a exciting roster that would have caused a real shitstorm out of excitement and surprise instead of one of disappointment then people wouldn't be so willing to leak his piece of shit of game.
>>259788586
Just read >>259788473, he wanted the players view them first hand.
And, once again, Duck Hunt would be revelad in a big cutscene, so Sakurai has lost again.
>>259788473
I'm trying to think of what the next step up from that is or what the SSB4 equivalent is
>>259787089
He removed subspace for the wrong reason then. If he acknowledged it was a shit mode then I would be more confident in the guy, but because of cinematic leaks? fucking really now?
Health problems shouldn't be an excuse everyone goes through shit it's fucking life deal with it, plus he's had way more time to work on these new games compared to melee so it should be a pretty comfortable working schedule by comparison.
And no I don't feel bad for him because he makes money doing what he loves.
>>259787089
I hope the guy who posted these pictures in the internet die in a fucking fire.
I sincerely hope his soul is annihilated.
I didn't want that shit. I didn't.
>>259787089
he's smart and a smart man knows these things are bound to happen, so even if he was slightly disappointed I don't think it will affect him that much
Plus, not that much people actually follow leaks, it's not like it will go on national TV or something
Heard Snake was going to be DLC, is that true?
>>259788852
I think it's fine since nobody actually knows what Duck Hunt's moveset is.
fuck everyone who denied the leaks
>too lazy to put any effort into Ganondorf
nah, fuck him
>>259789317
the leak had such a shit roster I knew it had to be true. at least shulk got in though.
>>259789281
I think not.
So where and when was the leak confirmed?
>Sakurai removed subspace from smash 4 because all the cool cutscenes were put on youtube
>sakurai doesnt add newcomers for smash 5 because someone leaked the newcomers for smash 4
>take the same game from gamecube
>recolor some stages (because lets face it, the level design is the same) from different nintendo games
>add some unused nintendo characters
>give them 4 moves each and a special final attack
>there are retards who get hyped for this shit in 2014 still
>>259787089
Fuck you and fuck him.
If this is all true, I wont like Sakurai anymore. It's very clear he has his own agenda for these games instead of making Smash a celebration of Nintendo's history. Instead of having original characters like Ice Climbers, K. Rool and a proper Ganondorf, we get a nauseating amount of anime characters from games that are 2 years old. I'm praying these videos are fabricated somehow.
>>259788473
Wait, so shitty subspace might be back just with no story? Can Sakurai really fuck up this hard?
He really doesn't owe you faggots anything, the man put so much work into a game that it takes a toll on his health and you still complain. Sakurai makes the game how HE wants it, this is HIS artistic vision.
>>259789092
He's going to be pissed and you know it.
And you're underestimating just how much and how fast a leak can spread.
If Sakurai removed SSE because that got leaked, just imagine what will happen after this.
>>259789375
Actually he's not lazy enough, if he never put Ganondorf back in, people wouldn't complain about him being lazy.
Nope, i hope it bombs so they can give smash bros to someone else
>>259789317
not believing in a leak is usually justified
leaks are pretty much seen as true until proven false, so people go to a lot of measures to see if it can be proven false
people who deny leaks usually jsut dont beleive everything they hear over the internet
but if someone were to deny the leaks now after all the videos and shit, then they would be idiots
>>259789661
This quote has never been more relevant until now:
>Have you ever made a game?
>This man puts so much into this game.
And he still fucked up.
>>259790053
>game bombs
>gets sequel
I'm sure that's how it works.
>>259789954
most people just don't follow this shit, you think they do from inside the /v/ bubble but people had a hard enough time figuring out that the WiiU existed
>>259789954
Why would he be pissed? And this is totally different to SSE. I'd imagine he'll reveal all the characters before he releases it to the ESRB for the next Smash.
>>259790396
>what is skyward sword, star fox assault, f-zero, kirby, fire emblem
Nintendo doesnt care, they will release another even if it bombs
>>259789954
>He will add in a scrapped/unfinished character at the last minute to BTFO of leak believers
>>259789879
>the artist is always right because he has the courage to subject himself, so that overrides all criticism!
Fuck off defeatist pussy
>>259790967
How's that Skyward Sword 2 and F-Zero sequel coming along?
>>259790967
>skyward sword
>bomb
"I don't like it" doesn't mean something bombed
>>259790053
Right, and the game will magically be the way you like it and not the way 99% of the other people likes it if Smash changes directors.
>>259791295
Authors write the books they want, directors make the movies they want, developers make the game they want. No one is going to give a checklist detailing what you want to see.
>>259789317
>no Bandanna Dee
I know he was about as likely as a Goomba making it into Smash, but its still sad to see him not make it.
The leak really is real?
I was really excited to see the new announcement trailers too.
>>259787089
>This asshole puts so much shit nobody wanted in this game.
Fix'd no need to thank me
>>259787089
Good, he's a faggot.
>>259792268
>I don't want it so nobody else wants it!
>>259792142
I know that feel, kinda puts the hype down.
>>259787089
I would feel bad if he didn't hate me for loving his game and wanting to be good at it.
Fuck him and his anti-competition attitude.
>>259792750
Except you only want to be good at one of his games, let's be real here.
>>259789576
Subspace sucked dick anyway.
>>259789661
>Gamecube
This is an 18+ website
>Shulk
Why
>>259787089
> went in on his birthday this year to make this one happen.
The fuck is that supposed to mean? He went to work on his fucking birthday? WHAT A FUCKING MARTYR! LET HIS NAME BE ENGRAVED IN STONE!
>>259787089
I dont feel bad for him at all. He removes characters that people love(Mewtwo, Snake, Wolf), makes games slower for casual players while casual players could play Melee casual also.
>>259792994
>The gamecube is 13 years old
>If somebody started playing games when they were 5, and they are 18 now, they would have started with the gamecube
>>259792973
Two, 64 is fun too.
It's not my fault he hated people who loved his game so much he specifically did everything he could to ruin their fun in the third game.
>mfw Sakurai stops making Smash Bros. games because people will always continue to leak when he just wants to keep things a surprise
The franchise will die and it's will be our fault.
>>259793508
>starting with gamecube
>>259791338
>what is zelda u
>what is f-zero maximum velocity, gp legend, climax, gx
>>259791462
look it up. skyward sword sold pretty bad, considering twilight princess reached oot levels
>>259793729
nah, new dev
>>259793745
I started with the SNES, I'm saying there are probably a lot of people here who started gaming with the_____PS3
>>259787089
I understand the sentiment, believe me, I do...
But isn't that a hazard of the job?
You just can't expect things like this to not happen.
But, he should feel honored that people care -this much- about the leaks.
>>259792142
Fuck it, I'm hyped for the Duck Hunt reveal video.
There is practically no way they can fuck this one up.
If he really cared about it not being spoiled for people then he wouldn't have released it in Japan a month before everywhere else.
>>259787089
>This man puts so much into this game
Yeah, so much clones.
>>259794048
wow I always thought he was kind of a smug cunt
won't be buying the game and sure as hell will tell my friends to do the same
why does he look like a girl
>>259793642
Well then he fucked up because he didn't remove the option to turn off items.
If he didn't want leaks to happen then why was he so open to gameplay footage? Couldn't you just not let the players play it until the game is actually released?
>>259794390
>G-guys you shouldn't get that game you guys are excited for it was developed by a guy who made a mean joke once
>>259794059
The reveal leaked too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPiIotgDLts
>>259794591
they are forced to give a video of the game to ESRB so they can rate the game
and honestly, the guy at ESRB probably lost his job for doing this
>>259787089
Considering the terrible choices he made (cutting down on reps from small series to make room for more Mario characters) I'm not sure I feel he is competent enough to do another Smash Bros.
>>259793642
How can he hate you when he doesn't realize you exist? He doesn't even follow competitive Smash outside of Japan. You were never the target audience for any of the Smash titles.
a faggot leaking your video game early is the price you pay for immortality
>>259794048
>>259794390
>>259794627
>not realizing its a clip from a dunkey video
>>259794390
>implying you have friends that would listen to your shitty opinions
>>259794804
>the guy at ESRB probably lost his job for doing this
more like he'll get sued, won't he ?
>>259795106
Link to the video?
...no Ridley after all?
>Stop playing this game the way YOU want to play and play it the way I want you to play it!
yeah nah he deserves it
>>259793135\
Because he's a new first-party Nintendo character from a fairly recent critically acclaimed IP on the Wii, which is also getting a sequel on the Wii U. So adding Shulk will help promote the next game.
USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN DIPSHIT. FUCKING THINK!
>>259795350
Okay I'm really fucking curious
How did anyone think Ridley would be in?
I really, really agree with this thread. This man gets disappointed by the industry a lot, but keeps strutting through it and doing his thing. He's a lone wolf of game design, but he's no Phil Fish. I kind of want to send a giant apology letter to him, like the get well card /v/ did for Iwata a while ago.
>>259795360
So Sakurai is using tourneyfag logic, makes sense.
>forum
>>259787089
>Makes the shittiest roster for Smash
>He deserves love
No
>>259789954
These are already on 2ch, there has already been multiple threads about it.
Nintendo already knows about it too, Japan already knows, Sakurai knows.
>>259787089
Maybe he shouldn't keep all the shitty character reveals for last, or just not include shitty characters like duck hunt, dr. mario, dark pit and bowser jr.
>>259787846
seriously.
you remove features if they don't work properly or vibe with the rest of the game. don't see why everyone's complaining about that.
>>259795286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbrWW08msFg&list=UUsvn_Po0SmunchJYOWpOxMg
around 4:10-4:30 i think is where it starts
Lel, Samurai just wants to make games the way he wants but he never gets a break.
>"Smash Bros. led to similar misunderstandings when it first came out," Sakurai said. "Some people, including within the company, commented that they couldn't imagine a worse game. The project was really saved by the fact that people "got" how to play it after it was released. If we had just listened to the complaints and instituted health gauges or command-based special moves, I don't think we would have invented a new style of play that way.
>>259795575
except tourneyfags don't force everyone to play the game the way the want to play it. Tourneyfaggotry was always an option, and only the most autistic of the bunch would have you believe otherwise.
>>259796051
He becomes more bishie over time
>>259796310
he just wants to be the little boy
he probably does roleplay with his wife
>>259796051
He's only 43.
>>259788829
you've never played it. 10/10 if bait.
>>259789317
all that tryhard for and against the leak
doesn't it get boring?
>>259795549
I thought it'd be really cool myself. I left the arguing about size to everybody else. I didn't think for sure he'd be in but I had some hope/hype for the idea.
>>259796145
And Sakurai never "forced" you to play Brawl. You can play 64, you can play Melee, you can play Project M. God forbid he makes anything that deviates from the formula, like when he first made Smash Bros, amirite?
>>259787089
he deserves it for ruining /v/ with those shitty pics of the day :^) that revealed nothing important
I don't feel sorry for him considering he made Brawl terrible just to spite a specific group of people in his game's fanbase.
You don't let something that petty get in the way of a video game without being a worthless human being.
Fuck him.
Smash will always be JUST for "i play for fun XD" faggots and even though I hate tourneyfags, they get fucked over for no reason at all whatsoever.
>all these buttmad manchildren complaining that they aren't going to buy the game because a character they wanted got cut
jesus christ, why dont you go all the way to soccer guys house so you can make him watch you pout and stomp your feet
>ctrl + f forum
>only one other anon realized we are talking to an r/gaming immigrant
>no one cares because everyone in this thread is an r/gaming immigrant
>>259793925
>starting with an snes
>>259796953
>muh death of /v/
Oh fucking please.
>final nail in nintendo's coughin
good, good, I hope nintendogafs follows soon
>>259787089
>2014
>thinking a leak won't happen
>>259796873
99% of people didn't think Brawl was terrible.
>>259787089
I don't feel a lick of sympathy for this incompetent petty bitch. Fuck him.
>>259787089
If that roster is real then fuck him, he deserves what he gets for thinking Dark Pit was a good idea.
>>259797119
>coughin
>>259797187
Leaks don't happen if you're conservative with the reveals of your game. Something Sakurai wasn't.
>>259787089
Blame the HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHEUHEUHEUHEUHEUHEU
>>259789317
>"The ESRB has never had a breach of secrecy in twenty years of rating every single game in North American retail"
So this is a first then? Asuming this is really true, the leaker guy's head will roll for sure if he's found.
This is a huge hit to ESRB's image in the eyes of publishers.
I'm sad that they're not in the game.
Unless Sakurai is planning to sell them as DLC, I'm sad. Farewell.
>>259796953
its the zoe quinn shit man
two days ago I saw someone who kept posting memeshit openly state that they came from reddit no one told them to fuck off
>>259797119
>coughin
>>259796873
>he made Brawl terrible just to spite a specific group of people in his game's fanbase
You wanna source this from an interview?
>>259787089
>believing leaks of a heavily modded game, no matter the evidence
>being a roster fag
>>259789317
As a conservative estimate, there have been roughly 40 billion leaks up until this point and people have been justified in calling bullshit every single time. It still may prove true for this one too.
I'm at the point where I don't care anymore. We'll know the full roster in a few weeks regardless.
>>259797025
>Not starting with the SNES
>>259787089
Are you trying to imply that making a game is stressful?
>>259788976
yeah, i %100 agree. i never saw any cinematic leaks, wtf. the majority of people didn't. the only people that were spoiled were those that went and looked for it on youtube, they were asking for it. same goes for those who complain about the new leaks, you didn't have to click on the link, you didnt have to be on /v/ where you're obviously going to see leaked shit if it gets out.
i did think subspace was shit though. i'm glad he got rid of it, even for the wrong reasons. the manpower was probably allocated to more important areas of the game.
>>259797523
What the fuck are you talking about? There were public bans to anyone saying "I'm from reddit"
GUYS GUYS
LISTEN
GUYS
WHAT IF
LISTEN
WHAT IF SAKURAI
INTENTIONALLY POSTED A FAKE LEAK
AND THEN CONFIRMED IT
ONLY TO SURPRISE US WITH THE REAL FINAL REVEAL LATER
>>259797857
Have
You
Ever
Made
A
Game
>>259797706
the faggot is over exagerating
what actually happned was samurai made smash 64 a game which appealed to as many people as possible and didnt get too competitive
smash melee ended up being much more competitive than he wanted making a much more steep competitive curve
because of this he tried his best to seperate brawl from melee to be more like how he wanted 64 to be
>>259797946
>inb4 user was banned for this post
>>259787089
>Anyone else feel bad for Sakurai?
No.
After Brawl and this mess I honestly hope he has no involvement with Smash 5.
>>259797523
I'm gonna be real with you. I don't go to reddit. I'd have no idea if someone is reposting shit from there to here.
>makes the same game every 4-5 years
>muh health
Good thing he's not a real dev or he might end up killing himself.
>>259798028
Yes, It's not stressful, it's just time consuming
>>259787089
He needs a haircut
>He even removed the subspace thing from this one due to people uploading cutscenes and not having it be a surprise for people who bought the game to enjoy.
Yes, because replacing it with nothing to enjoy is such an improvement.
Sakurai is autistic as fuck.
>>259797946
no there werent, the bans were to people saying shit like "reddit is better than 4chan" and shit
there have been plenty of people announcing they came from reddit, and I bet even more people who came but didnt announce it
I took the pictures.
I sent them to my friends.
I didn't want them to leak.
I just wanted to share the hype with them.
Now I'm FUCKED because some asshole put them all over the internet.
Fuck.
>>259797025
>starting with a brick
get a load of this newfag
I, for one, thank the leaker.
Now I know to stay far away from this game, I just cancelled my preorder and I hope you all follow my lead.
What about thevideos?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0E2TiTPBR0&feature=youtu.be
>>259798131
Well, let me rephrase that. Are you a figurehead for a studio that will get criticism no matter what he does with the game? And a boatload at that.
I'm sick of smash. It's stale and can die any time. Fuck, I wish it would somehow end up being cancelled this time. Just imagine the spectacular rage and tears. That would be glorious.
>>259787846
so people who makes game
can only criticism?
plz go back to tumblr SJW faggot
![soldierCrippled6ofpart6[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/J0xU8WH.jpg "soldierCrippled6ofpart6[1].jpg")
>Do you feel bad for an aspie who stresses over nothing important
Meanwhile, in a veterans nursing home...
>>259798336
probably fake but if you honestly thought that was a good idea then its your own fucking fault and the fact that you will get sued is 100% your bad
>>259792984
I liked Subspace, fuck leakers. They're just as selfish as people who steal games via piracy.
Has the leaker been fired yet from his job?
>>259798469
He could simply ignore it and do what he needs to do to make the game good
>>259798131
>being this fucking retarded
>>259798617
>for you
>>259797998
This seems crazy enough to be possible
>>259798587
I thought I could trust them.
>>259798445
>preordering
>>259798480
>I don't like you! You're an SJW!
>>259787089
Sakurai didn't put in my favorite characters so he should be crucified.
>>259798469
Little bitch shouldn't be a creator if he doesn't want to deal with his audience rightfully telling him when he fucks up.
>>259798508
>you cant feel bad for guy A because guy B has it worse
people like you are the fucking worse
by your own logic we shouldn't feel bad for war vets because someone, somewhere is most likely getting murdered right now
>>259798508
>aspie who stresses over nothing important
Nigga he's japanese, all dem tojos stress over stupid shit
>>259798131
>I made a pong clone! lookit me guise xD
>>259789576
we didnt listen!
>>259798473
This.
He removed SSE because videos were posted on youtube. I legitimately hope he cancels this game as a result of this leak. It would be hilarious and, lets face it, much more entertaining than the actual game.
>>259798798
"Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead."
You're a fucking retard.
>>259798051
Sakurai has always made the Smash games based on the target demography of the console the game was released on. The Gamecube was aimed towards more advanced gamers, so Melee is more technical. The Wii was aimed towards people who are new to video games, and Brawl reflects that. The Wii U is aimed towards both groups so Smash 4 should be somewhere in between Melee and Brawl.
>>259798617
your name, your legacy, and livelihood on the line for millions of people's scrutiny. Yeah, just ignore it....
>>259798798
its still your own fucking fault
if you really wanted to leak to your buddies you should have just fucking told them what was going to be in
>>259798336
Good, hope your stupid ass gets fired for lying on the internet.
>>259799140
The reason you get to a position like that is by having people trust your decisions, when you double back on yourself you get things like kojima having to change the ending to MGS 4 from what would have been perfection
>>259798885
Well I'm sorry he didn't cater to your tastes.
>was going to avoid 4chan for a couple of weeks when the nip version releases
>get spoiled anyway a month before
fuck you all
>>259799275
Nigga I was already fired. I told my boss as soon as it started leaking.
>>259799354
>trying to avoid leaks
>using the internet
It's your own damn fault.
Dude is rich as fuck, can't feel too bad for him
>>259799053
>Sakurai must be sooo upset that people leaked part of the roster!
>Haha take that Sakurai! That's for not putting my favorite literally who character in the game!
LEL keep crying bitch nigga
>>259799354
it's less than 3 weeks now
>>259797998
SAKULAI
>>259799486
Nigga I was never interested in Smash 4 anyways. It's literally Brawl but with a worse roster.
It's like Melee had a bad roster full of clones but was a great game. Smash 4 has the bad roster full of clones but keeps the bad gameplay from Brawl.
>>259799354
this, I can't get myself to want to buy the game anymore... fuck you /v/ fuck you
>>259787089
>He even removed the subspace thing from this one due to people uploading cutscenes
Don't buy that crock of shit. He removed Subspace because it fucking sucked and ate up huge amounts of development time.
>>259799702
>Nigga I was never interested in Smash 4 anyways
Why are you in this thread then? Shouldn't you be playing Melee?
>Trying to crap out a Smash game in 2 years
Should have seen this coming.
Is there anyone in this thread who actually won't buy the game because of the leak?
>>259799749
>blaming /v/
Bitch nigga get off the fuckin Internet if you don't want spoilers
>>259787089
>He gets to do what he ultimately loves and gets paid a lot
No I don't, because I'm not living the dream like he is
>>259799987
I wasn't aware /v/ turned in to a hugbox. Make this discussion on /vg/ if you want a circlejerk about how you all hate the leakers for confirming the game as shit and how you feel bad for Sakurai.
Sakurai is an insane, autistic, cruel and spiteful bastard, on top of that he can't stop sucking his own dick.
All these clones, ganondorf still the same, dark fucking pit are bullshit, brawl was bullshit too. Samurai is a nigger.
>>259800009
I'm not buying this shitty game.
>>259799997
Melee was made in a year. The only thing holding back smash is sakurai's mindset
>>259787992
>>259800009
if there aren't anymore unlockable character than I'm not buying it.
>>259799702
>worse roster
>implying it's not a million times better
>>259800009
Depends on what the rest of the characters are, as it stands right now, no i'm not buying it. Also my mains got cut.
>>259800009
Me. I had doubts about the game before but this roster is absolutely awful. Too much emphasis on Kid Icarus characters and way too many clones. This combined with the gameplay just being rehashed from brawl
Honestly the only character i'm actually upset with is Dr. Mario
I mean like, WHY? its just fucking mario
>>259800226
I only feel bad for Sakurai for making Melee.
>>259800009
>7 clones
>brawl 2.0
Even Megaman, Mac and Pacman can't salvage this.
>>259800009
I wasn't going to get it in the first place. I really didn't like Brawl.
>>259798480
Are you just pretending to be retarded?
>>259800669
List clones please.
>/v/ will stop giving a shit within a week of this until the game is released
Might as well laugh now while the shots hitting the fan hardest
>>259800226
Don't say you don't care when you obviously do, and don't pretend you think the game's going to flop because you don't like it. Unless you're baiting, in which case good job.
>>259800464
who was/is your main?
>>259800898
Lucina, Dr Mario, Dark Pit, Ganondorf, Falco, Shulk, Toon Link.
>>259800236
And Melee's roster sucked.
Each new unlock was like a blow to the balls.
>Dr Mario? What?
>Whoa, Falco! Oh, all his moves look just like Fox's
>Marth?
>Roy? Hey, he just does the same shit Marth does!
>OH MY GOD GANONDORF! Wait a minute. There's something familiar here...
>Pichu? I can't. No more.
Zelda, Peach, Bowser, Game and Watch, and Mewtwo were all great additions. Marth too, but it's not like we knew that. But clones, despite taking less time to implement are made of pure anti-hype. I would have taken Dedede over all five of them any day.
>>259800479
>Too much emphasis on Kid Icarus characters
>3 characters
>>259800898
Lucina, Dr.Mario, Dark Pit, Falco, Shulk, Ganondorf and Toon Link.
>>259797187
Tho it's not usually the ratings board that leaks things because industry people can keep secrets. Mr ESRB0083 is more fired than a house on fire for not securing his 3DS.
>>259801007
Snake and Wolf.
>>259800236
The only thing holding back smash is your desire to play the same game but with new characters.
>>259787089
Yeah, I felt pretty shitty once the leaks dropped, he almost made it to launch too. I hope he isn't too bummed out, Sakurai seems like the nicest guy.
>>259801157
But we don't know if dark pit is an actual clone yet. i mean yeah in the story he is, but he could use a completely different set of weapons/moves than pit
>>259801164
I prefer the clones over D3 because at least all of them played differently (except doc). Besides, melee was only missing like 3 major characters at the time.
>>259800946
I don't care, and it'll probably be reasonably successful. Most will drop the game after about a week though.
>>259801164
Smash 4 has a similar clone filled roster without the good gameplay.
And that's why it's a bad game,
>>259801234
And two stages, like a dozen fucking items, and practically the entire rogue's gallery as Smash Run enemies.
>>259787089
He does work hard, yes, and I will buy the game for Wii U anyway.
But the rooster still makes me feel bid sad. I mean he added ROB and Duck Hunt Dog to it aswell as Pacman. He gaved them unique movesets so everything is possible.
Yet he adds clones.
I just hope they feel different.
>>259801350
And the fact that Brawl was casualized and Smash4 looks like more of the same.
>>259801164I actually liked Pichu.
>>259787089
No one gives a fuck, because the average person is an ungrateful little shit.
>>259801350
Or play a game that isn't slow as shit and doesn't punish you for attacking
>>259787089
Ayy retard, are you saying it's a bad thing that people are excited about his game?
>>259788343
holy shit that is low quality compared to the select screen, that has to be fake
>>259801428
The leak says he is a clone and he is bundled together with the other clones.
no, fuck this hack
how was this roster planned from the beginning of the development?
it feels like they literally scrapped together some bottom of the barrel C list characters at the last minute
aside from the third parties and little mac, this roster is just awful
mario got 3 new characters, not even important ones, kid icarus got two more, wii got 4 original movesets, and yet star fox, metroid, and dk, are left with 2
not to mention ice climbers are cut
what the fuck was he thinking? it's just baffling
>>259801234
Two characters too many, too many stages and way too many items from Uprising.
>>259801428
He shouldn't be in the game either way.
>>259801565
Are they bad stages and items?
I honestly have not kept up with that part of the game, only the roster reveals and now the leak.
>>259801338
well, that really sucks, I iked them too
>>259801775
>He shouldn't be in the game either way.
Explain your reasoning
>>259800009
I really wasn't planning on buying it, but the leak didn't help
>ganondorf still a clone
>wario is still not wario
>fucking dark pit
I might wait to buy this or maybe even not at all.
>>259801157
>Dark Pit
Firstly, WRONG. He's not a fucking clone. He'll have totally different moves.
>Dr Mario
He is not going to have a cape, the water bullshit or anything else a DOCTOR should not have. Stop being retarded.
>Ganondorf
You have me there. I'm very surprised they made such a bad decision with him.
>Falco
I don't even recall anyone saying this faggot was in, but he was ALWAYS a clone, so he doesn't fucking even count. He's not NEW, it's not like they decided for this game to make a clone and that was falco, they just didn't change him. Seriously?
>Lucina
Only if you think Roy was a clone (he wasn't) and she isn't.
>Shulk
How the hell is he a clone? His moves don't look like anyone else's that I know of.
>Toon Link
Again, he was fucking always a 'clone' and even then, he's actually NOT a clone. His physics are different and his attacks have different effects too. You know his aerial down A? Notice how he doesn't immediately plummet to the ground like Li- Oh who am I kidding, you're too stupid to notice things.
>>259802036
>wario is not wario
We don't need that stupid fag in the game and he's completely different from the other marios so what the hell are you actually complaining about?
>fucking dark pit
Yeah, fuck characters with original movesets
>>259801879
A character created only a few years ago that only appeared in one game that wasn't even that successful does not deserve to be in this game when there are more long running and more beloved franchises that could use a new rep like Donkey Kong, Zelda and Metroid
>>259802243
go play wario land, then play brawls wario
100% different skills
>>259797465
yeah its the very reason they don't get the games becuase if they break street date they can be held accountable for the games sale meaning publisher can sue them to death
>>259802047
>clones don't count if they've been in multiple games
>even though falco and ganondorf have some different moves they are clones
>but this doesn't apply to dark pit, toon link and dr mario
>i'm going to assume that dark pit isn't a clone even though the leak says he is a clone and he is bundled together with the other clones
>Lucina isn't a clone even though Sakurai himself said that she was exactly the same as marth but without the tipper damage
>Shulk isn't a clone even though he shares multiple moves with marth including smashes and his up and down specials
You are so incredibly retarded i don't know how you can even function.
>>259801764
>what the fuck was he thinking? it's just baffling
Is it really?
>have a bunch of characters in mind
>get an idea for a moveset for a character
>add him in
Not
>does X franchises need to reps
>add him in
>think up a moveset for the character
>>259802047
>Firstly, WRONG. He's not a fucking clone. He'll have totally different moves.
>He is not going to have a cape, the water bullshit or anything else a DOCTOR should not have. Stop being retarded.
why are these good things?? they wasted dev time on completely boring and useless characters that nobody wants, when there's already character customization in the game
if you're going to waste dev time on cloneish characters, give us ones we already like, like lucas and wolf
it just feels like a gigantic 'fuck you' to the fans to fill up the roster with this crap, and take away things that you know they want
>>259802047
>Firstly, WRONG. He's not a fucking clone. He'll have totally different moves.
That delusion, he is a confirmed clone.
>>259802047
>Lucina
>Only if you think Roy was a clone (he wasn't) and she isn't.
Dude, right from Sakurai's mouth we have proof that she's a clone. She's not Roy at all, she's Marth with no Tipper. She's a clone, deal with it. She wasn't even intended as a character at first she was a costume, the only reason her Tipper is remove is literally so she can have at least one difference compared to Marth.
>Shulk
>How the hell is he a clone? His moves don't look like anyone else's that I know of.
He's a second clone of Marth.
>>259801164
A bad roster does not make the game bad. Yeah Melee's roster sucked. It's still the best Smash game.
>>259802528
>have a bunch of characters in mind
>get an idea for a moveset for a character
>add him in
yeah i'm sure this was the case with lucina, dr mario, and dark pit
>>259801785
Items are throw away generic weapons and the Wii U stage is even bigger than fucking New Pork. Joint highest enemies in smash run (with Mario, both at 16) and Palutena has four movesets worth of special moves. Pit go a moveset revamp, meanwhile Ganondorf. Several assist trophies as well but whatever.
Meanwhile fucking Donkey Kong.
>>259802456
Not a god damn move that Shulk used in that leak was Marth's.
>Even though falco and ganon have some different moves, they are clones
Do you realize you just made the argument for how they are NOT clones? Which... they're not? I mean, I was giving you those two out of kindness, but you just defeated yourself, it's priceless.
>>259802047
My god you are fucking retarded.
First of all, Dark Pit is a clone the leak fucking says so.
Secondly, you are assuming that Dr Mario isn't going to have those things, and even if he doesn't have those things it's still fucking retarded that time was wasted on him to begin with.
Third, you can't say that Ganondorf and Falco are clones and then pretend that toon link, dr mario and lucina aren't.
fourth, we have seen that shulk shares multiple moves with Marth, yes he has some unique moves but by your bullshit logic he is as much of a clone as Falco and ganondorf.
>>259802760
I have no idea how Sakurai saw the reception to New Pork City and made something like Palutena's Temple. I sincerely believe he has no fucking idea what he's doing.
>>259802047
Wrong, he is a confirmed clone
You're assuming here, but he is bundled with the other clones.
Just because Ganondorf and Falco have been clones since melee doesn't make things better, it makes them worse.
Sakurai himself said Lucina is a clone.
He is another clone of marth.
Shut the fuck up.
>>259802709
Melee had a pretty good roster for the time. The only notable people missing were diddy, wario, and king dedede.
>>259795134
I mean, he could have just posted anonymously. How would anyone know who it was?
>>259802716
I'm sure I never said there weren't exceptions to the rule. In Lucina's case she started as an alt for Marth, I'm sure Dr Mario is the same.
>>259802820
are you kidding me by saying that falco and ganondorf aren't clones because they have minute differences to their originators?
>>259802820
Not him but
- Shulk isn't a clone.
- Ganon is a clone.
- Falco was a 100% clone, not anymore. 70% similar though.
>>259802532
I don't know anyone that likes wolf, but anyway, It would've been better if they were skins, but they still need voices and taunts of their own, not to mention an announcer thing for their names, so why not be a slot? It's not really costing us any other characters.
>>259802592
Uuuh, that's really the only different that matters with Roy too. So... What the fuck?
>second clone of marth
I don't see what the hell you're talking about.
