Think of your favorite game.Got it?Are you sure?Now remove all cutscenes and other explicit elements of story.Is it still good? If not, then I hate to break it to you but it barely qualifies as a game. Sorry, you have shit taste!
Did Doom have that much of a story?
ok
>>256832774
No anonymous, not ok.
>>256832458
>M&B
>Mirror's Edge
Better.
>>256832458
>implying
not every game is made for the gameplay. JRPGs etc. are made for the story, the gameplay is just a way of delivering it
>Tetris
You just made the game significantly better.
>>256833038
>not every game is made for gameplay
there's a reason we make fun of weebshit nerd
>Unreal Tournament
>>256832458
>Now remove all cutscenes and other explicit elements of story.
Fallout. Or X-Com. Or JA2. Or HoMM 3. Can't choose.
>Is it still good?
Yup.
Pokemon Red and Blue. It just got a lot better with no padding, thanks OP.
>quake 3
>Twilight Princess
As narrative driven as the game's progression is, I play it for the dungeons, combat, and atmosphere. So yeah, it's still good.
Ace Combat Zero.
I guess the aerial combat and such would still be fun, but the story and atmosphere that give context to the fighting is what makes the game so good (and it's the reason why the final boss is one of the hypest in the history of vidya).
>>256833038
End yourself.
>Morrowind
>Cutscenes
Tippity top lel
>Remove all the skippable padding, is your favourite game still good?
Yes, yes it is.
Demon's Souls.
>GTASA
>always skipped the cutscenes anyway
if i wanted a story i'd watch a movie lol
>guilty gear xx
>implying story
Kek. DMC3 is still as great as it was before.
>>256832458
>Deus Ex
Still got amazing gameplay
>Pikmin 2
>mfw it had almost not cut scenes to begin with
Great now I have no reason to build roller coasters
>>256832458
>Jagged Alliance 2
Really, losing a few minutes of Elliott getting slapped around throughout the campaign is absolutely nothing.
Well, unless voice acting constitutes story. That's actually a large part of the game's charm.
MGS2
Not as good, but still fun to play.
>>256832458
MHFU
Ezpz
>>256833583
>press X to win
>amazing gameplay
asura wrath must be the best game ever for you
>Half-Life
It doesn't really matter.
>>256832458
Star wars Empire at war? Best strategy game released in a long while.
All is well in the world.
>Okami
Yeah, I'd say it's still good.
>Hitman: Blood Money
Good thing every good Hitman game isn't story-driven whatsoever.
>Touhou
Its not like i bothered to read dialogues after first time anyway
>Hitman: Blood Money
Still great.
Metroid Prime
I'll say lore scans count as story. It's still amazing.
>>256833837
>Deus Ex
>Being "press X to win"
The fuck are you on?
>>256832458
I was going to argue your point for fun OP, but I realized that my own "side" of the argument is just agreeing with you. So I guess, I will just leave my blurb here.
A game should be good on the merits of its gameplay. While story can certainly enhance a game, it is by no means a substitute. and it certainly can't save a bad game from being bad.
>Dragon's Lair
>>256833861
haha oh wow you have shit taste
>>256832458
>Planescape Torment
>>256832458
>Sol Deace
It's fine.
>>256833837
I don't think you've played Do Sex.
>>256832458
Space station 13
Barely a story and about 1 cutscene.
>>256833038
Dunno about you man, but I like my JRPGs with some actual gameplay, hallway simulators are rather boring.
>>256832458
>Descent
I don't think I ever even finished the single player anyway
>Age of Empires 2
Aside from the opening cinematic, there's not a single cutscene and all the 'stories' are just real life events
>>256832458
>Metroid Prime
Still enjoyable, albeit less enjoyable because no lore scanning, but still
![338400-the-elder-scrolls-iii-mor[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/TBCFxBT.png "338400-the-elder-scrolls-iii-mor[2].png")
Yep, still good.
>>256832458
jokes on you the cutscenes suck!OoT
Perfect Dark.
I think it's still a pretty great game without story.
>>256833583
But it doesn't. The only thing it has going for it is its plot.
It's a hamfisted shooter. The stealth is incredibly primitive. There's really nothing more to it than that, apart from a compelling and flexible plotline.
>>256833038
I don't know what are JRPGs made for, but I know they are made from shit.
>>256834117
>About 1 cutscene
What
>Bioshock
I'm Fine
>Mother 3
Still works as a rhythm game.
>>256833038
You bought your nogames 4 yet?
Half Life 2
It has no cutscenes
>>256834292
When Nuke ops win a cutscene plays
I dont know if there are any other cutscenes
>>256833950
Same here.
Honestly, I'd miss it, especially because Amaterasu has most of her moments in said cutscenes.
>ff9
Turns into a grinding simulator and a chocobo event.
Wait. I just made a single player mmorpg didn't I?
>>256832458
>Hitman Blood Money
And nothing of value was lost
>>256832458
Perfect Dark. Yep. Mischief Makers. Yep.
The story-driven game is the death of so many games. Games should be games. Not the product of English Majors.
>Ys: The Oath in Felghana
Yupp, still good.
999
Rocket Knight Adventures.....yeah it is still pretty badass.
No cutscenes whatsoever and there is basically no story. Just "Go inside here, solve puzzles, kill God, the end."
Still my favorite game.
>Metal Gear Rising
But the boss themes have backstory bits about the particular bosses. Hmmmm
>jak and daxter
i guess i can do without them but i'm gonna miss sig cracking jokes and shit
>>256834286
Ys would like to have a word with you. Gameplay is WAY stronger than story there.
>>256832458
>Mega Man Zero collection
yay
Diablo 2. Still perfect.
>>256834669
I think you're excused.
Ace Combat.
Still good.
Metal Gear Solid 2
Jokes on you, the game has both amazing gameplay and story. #rekt
Kingdom HeartsIt's better
>FIFA 2014
>>256834836
>mgs
>gameplay
Jesus.
>>256834569
I'd really miss the cutscenes since my favorite character is Waka. I find story to be a really important element in what I consider an amazing video game, so there's also that.
>Ace Attorney series
SHIT
>C&C RA2
Well, it's still a fantastic game, but that just took away a huge chunk of its charm.
>>256832458
>TLOU
It actually ends up being an okay 3rd person shooter.
>>256833460
>>256833460
>other explicit elements of story.
You have shit taste
>>256834917
FIFA is your favorite game ever? What the hell are you doing on /v/?
>Smash Bros Melee
Bahahahaha
>>256834669
>999
>Remove all the cutscenes
>You're wandering around what appears to be a ship trying to open doors
>Suddenly doing sudoku in a furnace
>>256835014
Your favourite game of all time is tlou?
>>256832458
>Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Still good.
>Streets of Rage 2
Still good.
>Super Metroid
Still good.
>Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
Still... Like, 50% good.
>Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
Uhhhhhhh
>>256834669
The puzzles are still decent, though VLR's are much better.
>>256835030
have you PLAYED it anon? its the best in the series
Shadoe of colossus
even better without the beta boy bullshit
>>256833038
There are fun rpgs, though.
>>256834836
mgs would have a lot less plot holes now
>>256834523
walk and talks are cutscenes.
>>256834917
>FIFA
>your favorite game
>>256834939
>I'VE NEVER PLAYED A METAL GEAR GAME AND ASSUME ITS ALL CUTSCENES
You are the most retarded person to every live
>>256835128
no, but I wasnt gonna miss out on bringing up TLOU
>>256832724
...If DOOM was your favorite game I think you'd know whether it had story or not...
>>256835030
97 was good, 98 was improved 97 and it went downhill from there.
>Soul Blade
Yep, it's still great. Although I'd miss the endings and the Edge Master mode stories.
>Mirror's Edge
Literally the same game.
>>256833156
Arguable. I love how cheesy this game is. I love every second of this game besides the Big and a couple Amy levels. SA really is a bit underrated...
>Red Orchestra
>story
Stillgud
Uhh...
Skyrim... It's still the most epic fantasy game released this decade!
>>256835294
I have and the "gameplay" was simplistic and shit.
Alpha Centauri. I don't think it would have been as good without the scenes from Baraka, lore, or the story that goes along in the background.
>>256833950
me too. god, that game did everything right
>>256833965
only the cutscenes between missions
>>256833038
So you didn't know jrpgs had gameplay? Are you a fool? Do you think players have fun in those secret dungeons because of the story? Did you not think the proper management of a party required no involvement? Do you honestly fucking believe there was more satisfaction in the jrpg story than defeating the hidden bosses?
Your a fool, and it shows.
>>256834214
>Yep. Still trash.
>>256835560
*tips fedora*
>>256835164
Until you realize you have to do them over and over again.
>>256834214
Main quest optional. Only like 2 cutscenes the entire game.
Still the king, baby.
>Etrian Odyssey III
There's like nothing to remove
The Last Of Us
Yup, still good.
Baldur's Gate, it would still be great but not nearly as good. Story is a supplement to gameplay and works well in that regard, take it away and you'll lose something in most games.
>>256834669
Nice 9
>>256832724
It had like 2 walls of text it threw at you
>>256832640
DING DING DING
>>256835692
A riposte worthy of an mgsfag.
it doesn't need cutscenes
>>256835546
>It's still the most epic fantasy game released this decade!
Negative faggot.
Try divinity
I'll do my favorite Beat em up
>Scott Pilgrim
Still a very good game.
>starcraft: broodwar
>single player
an incomprehensible mess
>multiplayer
untouched - meaning the greatest game of all time
>starcraft 2
>single player
actually better
>multiplayer
untouched - meaning a fucking mess
>>256835743
>Baldur's Gate, it would still be great
Yeah, that amazing rtwp combat and well crafted quests that allow for so many outcomes :^)
>>256832458
God times thinking about Souls Series
>>256834710
Anon, the lore would be taken out. That means no flavor giants text, only puzzles. MUH ATMOSPHERE
>Tales of Vesperia
I dunno, is it still good? I haven't played it in years.
>Doom
So... the game has no longer those text walls in between levels, yay?
>Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
>no cutscenes or story explanation
Without cutscenes it would probably just look like a story of a blue nigger trying to break into a KFC factory, escaping because the security was too high, getting some lightning magic, and then blows it up.
Still a good ame
>>256835560
>I played only mgs1
probably tried to rambo it
>>256836071
The lore is required for the puzzles, so it'd stay.
>>256834940
Ah, I get it. I've read the Nihon Shoki and the Kojiki, so most of the time I was like: "Yeah, I know that guy."
Waka was fun, I wonder if they actually made him try to recite waka (and fail) in the original.
>Tiberian Sun
I'm sure it would still but fun, but, no Kane?
>>256836207
Oh look, more silly assumptions. Gotta defend your failed movie director gook, eh?
>rome total war
There's 1 cutscene I think, other than the strategic sub boxes you get for family I dont think there's much of a story.
>>256836008
Yeah, the rtwp is good. The fact that quests don't have 50 outcomes doesn't make them bad.
>favorite sports game
Ive played to many games to have 1 favorite
shit is still cash
>>256836234
Only the parts required to the puzzle. It'd go from giant names to "Statue number 1"
Dwarf Fortress
Yeah.
>Nethack
>Roguelikes
>Cutscenes
HA
>>256832458
>FTL
Nothing is changed.
>>256832458
>super metroid
Still perfect.
SotN is just as good as ever.
>>256836489
That's still fine, it'd make organization a lot easier for some.
Muh puzzles and atmosphere.
>>256836484
>Yeah, the rtwp is good
Yeah, it's not.
>The fact that quests don't have 50 outcomes doesn't make them bad.
And what makes them good?
>>256836532
That paragraph that shows up when you enter your quest level is gone.
>>256836585
>no voice acting
I love the game but it wouldn't be nearly as good.
ARMA
Nothing of value was lost, point of the game is COOP multiplayer anyway.
>>256836484
>turn based combat with a hackjob on top desperately trying to not look turn based
>good
>>256836645
Alright. I'm cool with that.
>zork
>>256832458
Is that sprite from Metal Slug?
>>256832458
Yup, I'm good
Also, replace the graphics with squares and circles.
>>256835028
Yup
>Yoshi's Island
I'll miss that comfy opening and ending, but it's still a great game.
>>256834523
That is absolute bullshit
>>256832458
megaman 2
>Mega Man 3
Losing the scene where Dr.Light tells me Wily ran off with Gamma
100% unplayable
>>256832458
>mfwguitar hero is my favorite game
>Super Metroid
I would miss the little in game cutscenes, but it still great.
>>256833967
>Not enjoying those endings.
Arenas, dungeons, trading, trotmobile customizing, part-creating, mining, and comfy exploring. Still my favorite game.
>>256835437
inb4 1996 called
And althought the game is great (but obviously outdated) the intro was the best part of the game, so idk how it would turn out with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtF80UCgarY
>Fez
Remove the cutscenes and it still looks and sounds fantastic.
Plays alright, too.
>>256836610
You had a lot of creativity in the combat with all the stupid spells and combinations you could use them in. The addition of movement to a turn based combat also gives more approaches to it. When you get to Throne of Bhaal this becomes insane. The quests were good because a lot of them were interesting, not including "find x item I lost in the woods" and took you to new locations. There were also quests with different outcomes and ways to handle them, but they're mostly in the city.
>S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl
Yup, it's still gr8 m8
This wemb is from CoP though
>>256833038
>shit taste the anon
i never thought i'd see the day.
>>256836798
That would probably make the gameplay worse due to clarity lost.
>>256834561
>/
Oh wait when the AI self destructs a cutscene plays too.
> Monster Hunter
Aaaaand nothing of value is lost.
>mercenaries
>story
lel just blow shit up
Still good.
>goat simulator
i'm cool
>>256833156
i would love for sega to do a 3d world styled sonic game with level design closer to the original games instead of these long boost mode corkscrews and springs. in other words, i want a sonic game that has actual level design rather then a slightly interactive cutscene that plays itself.
>>256837546
this game was the fucking bomb. the combat was revolutionary
>>256837235
>>256837235
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtF80UCgarY
I rectify, this is the BEST INTRO EVER in the history of videoames
>Black and White
Still amazing.
>think of your favorite childrens book
>remove all the pictures
>is it shit now? it was never a picture book
MHFU is my favorite game
I hope the quest babes don't count as story.
but still its gr8 m8
>>256832724
>claims Favorite game is Doom
>DUUUUH DOES IT HAVE A STORY?
>Shadow of the Colossus
Yep. It's still perfectly fine. The gameplay was tight and the story compelling, but not in the way.
Fuck off
>>256833273
>calling others "nerd"
underage fag detected
>contra the hard corps:
and nothing of value was lost
you "literally" changed nothing, In-fact you probably made a better game. I can't skip cut scenes on sonic adventure on the dreamcast.
>>256837879
Are you saying that Pong and Tetris aren't video games?
>>256833038
This guy is technically right, but EVEN THEN the gameplay should still be fun. So, not really an excuse.
>>256837525same
>>256838223
>he doesn't know the in-depth pong lore
>>256838223
that is exactly what I said, word for word. you are the master of implications
>Tactics Ogre: LUCT
Yeah, it's still good.
You're a faggot though. Do we judge movies based only on their cinematography?
>mount and blade
zero cutscenes and story elements exist in this game.
>>256835294
Chaos Theory has better gameplay than every single Metal Gear
>yakuza without cutscenes/story
okay so you run around tokyo beating the fuck out of dudes and taking their pocket change
shits still legit
>>256837546
which game was this?
The Metal Gear Solid SeriesIt actually gets better without the cutscenes and story
>tfw I only play Nintendo
All my favorite games are unchanged.
>>256839019
Fire Emblem
>Ace Combat 5
Good, but not as good. At that point you might as well just stick to arcade mode.
>>256832458
>Thief 2
Although the story and lore really made the game shine, it still stands up perfectly with its stealth elements and level design alone.
>>256833837
As someone who doesn't really like deus ex. what the fuck are you talking about?
>>256834214
Wat
So now the whole game is skirmish mode?
Eh. It's okay. At least the characters should still retain their personalities.
>>256832458
> Mario Galaxy
Gee, the Library's gone.
>Metal Gear Solid 2
Jokes on you, VR Missions are actually pretty fun.
>Majora's Mask
Does optional NPC dialogue count as cutscenes? If so then the game is still good but not as great as it is with the cutscenes.
>>256834754
>Ys
>JRPG
It's an arpg.
>>256834917
>FIFA 2014
I think you mean FIFA 14 m8y
>>256839915
I really did love the story book though.
Fuck the american reviewers who called it a "downer".
Still fun
>>256840334
Is it Japanese and an RPG? It's a JRPG.
>>256839838
>Isara never dies
I... I think I'd actually prefer that version.
>dwarf fortress
>>256840689
jrpg doesn't mean "any game with RPG in the name from japan" you dumbo.
>>256840965
That's exactly what it means. If it's a Japanese RPG it's a JRPG. This is fundamental stuff, anon.
>>256832458
Setting and design are elements of story too anon. If you remove all elements you would have to remove any cohesive design that could lead to inference of story. For instance metal slug's story is you are on a team of agents who protect the world from various shit, aliens and old warmongering enemies. Even if it doesn't say outright "this is the story" it still has one. If you removed all of that you would be left with a game that didn't resemble the original game at all, at least in graphics, setting, and possibly even combat.
>>256832458
>thought of Dark Souls and Skyrim
>I see no problem
>thought of NWN2
>might be a problem without story but the gameplay is still a lot of fun so no biggie either
>>256841124
Are you one of those people who never got out of their "concrete" phase of thinking and believe any game where you can shoot the first person you see is a first person shooter? Or that every game is an RPG because you play a role in it? Or that any game with lots of shooting is a shoot em up?
streets of rage 2 doesn't have cutscenes or anything explicit, faggot OP.
fuck you.
>>256837057
My nigga
>JSRF
a lot of fun dialogue and fun cutscene would lack but gameplay itself could easily be a standalone thing by itself.
and who gives a fuck what the nigger in the radio shouts in ebonics anyway?
>>256832458
>Tenchu Z
>Gaining more time to play since you don't care anyway
>no more unskipable loading screens
>huge positive
>>256835438
>>256833013
I didn't know so many people also liked muh favorite game. my niggas
>>256833776
oh shit nigger
the best game in the series in my opinion
>>256841776
No, I'm one of those people who prefers to keep genre distinctions simple. As soon as you start needlessly adding one trait or another to a genre, you run into tons of overlap, and you quickly reach a point where genres as a descriptor become useless. Moreso in games than in perhaps any other medium.
So, let's keep it fundamental. If it's an RPG and its Japanese, it's a JRPG. Nothing more or less needs to be added to the definition of a JRPG. I'm not arguing that Ys isn't also an action RPG. But I see no reason to deny its status a JRPG.
>>256842616
hmm. For Mirror's Edge shit really wouldn't change. She could be chased around by aliens for all I care.
>>256842865
Or not chased at all. Mirror's Edge is at it's best when you don't have to deal with shit like that.
>>256842637
So you are saying, you want to keep JRPG from being a useless descriptor, by keeping it applying to as wide a range of things with no commonality between them instead of narrowing it to a specific subset of games?
Brilliant plan anon.
>>256842952
I liked the chase bits with the evil ninja police men. Hated being chased while shot at though. I hope Mirror's Edge 2: The Rise of Faith has unscripted chasing and fleeing across the city.
>>256832458
>metal gear solid 3
oh boy.
well the story doesnt make any sense anymore. but the gameplay is still rock solid
>>256833038
This is correct. Not only JRPGs but RPGs in general have terrible gameplay and expect to make it up with characters/story/setting etc; if any of those suck then even if the gameplay is good, it has failed as an RPG.
>>256843405
but most jrpgs have shitty convouted stories anyway.
>>256832458
>Final Fantasy Tactics
Yep, still good. Maybe even better.
> I picked Melee
Excellent.
I know it's a shit game, but I still love it to death.
If it's any consolation, my second favorite game is Q3A which is technically a "good game" by OP's standards.
>>256842981
It already applies to a specific subset of games.
>armored core for answer
wait, the game had a story?
>>256832458
My favorite game has no cutscenes or story.But neither does it have gameplayWhat game is it?
>>256843925
>Every single game within any subgenre of one of the largest genres of games that is ever made in japan, the second largest regonal producer of games for decades
Yep, such a small field I can see why you wouldn't want that to be more specific than it already is.
My favorite game is planetside 1.
Nothing has changed.
>>256844216
You're using small and specific interchangeably. Why does a genre have to be small to be specific?
>>256832458
>Quake, Q3 or Super Metroid
I'm fine
>>256844120
life?
Brave Fencer Musashi.
Still great without story imo
>megaman battle network 6
It´s actually better
>>256832458
>Legend of Zelda: 4 swords adventure
still my favorite
>>256832458
>Kingdom Hearts I
No more unskippable cutscenes. Thank you, anon.
![Boxart[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JJFqYMy.jpg "Boxart[1].jpg")
The only cutscenes are the opening and ending.
Removing all story elements makes no sense since it's gameplay.
>>256844579
Because usually specific implies a small group, if not a singular because a large amount of things usually doesn't fall under a specific category. While it is true that my word choice was poor, but this is not an argument of semantics. Let me point out your original statement.
>No, I'm one of those people who prefers to keep genre distinctions simple. As soon as you start needlessly adding one trait or another to a genre, you run into tons of overlap, and you quickly reach a point where genres as a descriptor become useless. Moreso in games than in perhaps any other medium.
You explicitly expressed that you did NOT wish for there to be a lot of overlap. However the term you defend causes a huge amount of overlap, every single game made in japan in any of the subgenres of RPG. This is a totally pointless and underwent term, and even you think that such things are bad. Why you would want a genre that denotes nothing about the game instead of one that actually applies to only a specific subset, when your own statements say otherwise, I cannot fathom.
>>256833038
just for saying that you should be fucked by a raging hobo on meth
