Why is Dark Souls 2 pvp such a piece of shit /v/?
>Why is Dark Souls 2 such a piece of shit /v/?
FTFY
but they fixed the painting dagger you fucking casual scrub
>playing games for the online
>>255360992
>implying this shit is even remotely good
I just launch a fucking climax to the face of anyone who even starts to do that retarded animation
>>255361352
but they unfixed it you unironic virgin
>>255361352
Stay with the times grandpa
I thought they nerfed the shit out of that thing. Did they revert it or something?
>PGS was my favourite non viable weapon from DS
>Mfw I find out it's broken as hell in DS2
body ready.jpg etc etc
are people still complaining about the MS?
talk about placebo effect
>>255361703
Reverted it back to what it was before because people kept complaining about not getting sick parries anymore and having to rely on skill to parry successfully
>>255361703
Yeah, it wasn't even mentioned in the patch notes so no one knows if it's a bug or not.
>>255361881
>Still claiming that "I totally loved it in the previous game too" to not feel like a scrub
ok buddy
>>255360992
>soul memory still fucked
>fightan SL700 hackers
>laggy as fuck
>havelbabies errywhere
>poise still does nothing
>phantom range out the ass
>non-magic builds are pathetic
Because the game has too much stuff in it that makes fights totally one sided. Between massive damage from backstabbing and stupid ripostes (via painting daggers) to retard strength spells and weapons that hit for stupid amounts in a single hit or even worse, in combos that you can't escape from because of 1 hit poise breaking. And that's not even accounting for horrible netcode and inconsistent hitboxes. On top of that, a lot of the "fun" weapons like Greatbows are so weak they aren't worth using except in very specific circumstances even further enforcing meta. Because that's what games are now, they are meta simulators.
>>255361703
it's been reverted, but parry-backstep and parry-roll glitches are gone. still really obnoxious.
>Dark Souls areas flow naturally into each other and create a sense that you are exploring one vast fantasy world
>Dark Souls 2 areas are stacked illogically on top of each other, have weird/illogical geometry, and creates problems for the player more than it should
Forget the PvP, the game itself is drastically flawed. I tried for a long time to like it and gave up, though I am jealous of those who actually got their money's worth out of it.
When they add a dlc that has two things I'll play again
>Full red eye orb
>Ring that prevents you from gaining any souls
Until then, fuck this game
Are quality builds viable yet? I just want a viable cuts build.
mfw using the ZWHY hander and fucking up their timing by attacking at weird angles
soul memory
>>255362297
>Ring that prevents you from gaining any souls
?
>>255362340
no, nothing that doesn't stack fifty buffs is viable
I now only play with unparriable weapons and wear the jester top.
Best pvp.
>>255362119
what the fuck
if what you said is true that makes it sound like there are tons of way to be successful in PvP
>>255362340
guts*
>>255362297
Why were rings that give you invisible weapons a better idea to them than something this obvious?
>>255362265
same, played up through bastille and the huntsman's copse multiple times and i just lose interest and stop playing
meanwhile i've played through ds1 like 6 or 7 times now
Just play DaS1. No point in wasting your time playing shit when there's already a near perfect game.
>>255362119
>mfw avelyn still hits harder than the greatbow
What's even the point.
>mfw whiping scrubs with dual poison spotted whips, then climaxing all over them when they try to heal
it works every single fucking time
>>255362434
So you can make dedicated characters for invading or co-op, without having your SM inflated too much after a few boss fights. Having it somewhere after the four lord bosses would be ideal, to prevent the twinking everyone was so upset about in the first place
>/v/ people still clinging on to the das2 hate bandwaggon
sasuga scrublords
>>255362297
full red eye orb will never come because there would be people constantly invading
as exciting as it would be people would complain harder about it
the host finder is that good
>>255362102
>non-magic builds are pathetic
I disagree, rolling past your magic and then lancing you with a 5 hit KO is bertty gud
>>255362765
>From makes SM to prevent twinking
>thinking they would add a ring that allows twinking
What's your IQ? Oh wait
>doesn't about save backup
>doesn't just edit his SM down with collector edition
Yep
>>255362491
There is and you can equip it all in the same build, not that builds are even a thing anymore if you are a "serious PvPer" because you can just go to max level, take weapon upgrades that add damage for each equal stat (aka 99 everything) and wreck the face of people who didn't level up at the same soul memory as you. Variety and having a viable anything do not mix.
>>255362907
At least a cracked red eye orb that has five charges or something would be better than what we have now.
>>255363008
Read it again you illiterate ass. It would be placed toward the end of the game so your soul memory would be too high to invade early areas
>>255363147
what's the point then? so you don't face SL838 havels? the ones that are still easy as fuck to kill if you aren't retarded?
>>255362000
They best part is that the same patch removed stunlocks so it's hard to even punish missed parries now.
>>255363438
The point is mainly for co-op, but you seem to stupid to figure that out from the original post, so I won't bother explaining it to you any further. I know this is an image board, but some basic reading ability is strongly recommended.
>>255362970
If you don't use infused weapons with buff, you hit like a feather, even with like 99 dex/str.
>>255361414
>filthy hex user
>>255362970
They removed the dual lance infinite stunlock.
>>255363682
>coop
lol who the fuck does that nerd shit except ganker scrubs?
How the fuck do you even parry in PvP.
Is it like DaS1, where you had to account a shit-ton for lag? Or is it actually responsive now? Because it sure as fuck doesn't feel like it.
I'm using 2 weight medium shield btw.
>>255363121
no stop picking on the poor populous!
some how I still invade some people with a crappy bastard sword and pancake shield at 1million sm
>>255363737
Dex scales like shit, strength weapons are fine.
When are they going to bring back the Balder Side Sword?
>>255363917
>if you use that one part of the game you are WORSE THAN HITLER
Soulsfags everyone
here, have a look at my stats, does that anger your autism too?
>>255363996
It's "responsive" in the sense that you don't need to account for lag as much. However, parrying with anything except Monastery Scimitar has massive delay on it, even in PvE.
>>255363996
They basically made it hard as balls and indecisive with shields, and retard easymode with the painting dagger.
>>255360992
It was made to be more accessible.
They said this from day 1 faggots. Go back to DaS1/DeS
>>255364196
>8 vit
>99 attunement
for what porpoise
>>255364196
Is it true that players with that kind of SM will get matched to people as low as 12m?
>>255362050
>Implying I've even played dark souls 2 yet
>Implying I didn't painting guardian pvp 24/7 and love every minte of getting my ass handed to me because lolnopoise, lolnodamage, lolnorange, and lolnopoisebreak.
>>255364196
>dual whips
>jesters chest
>hex
>518 SL
It it like you exist to slay havelmosters. Those whips better be poison.
>>255364196
>518
thanks for confirming you suck
>>255364386
cast speed if i had to guess.
>>255364240
I've pretty much mastered PvE parrying, so that's why I'm so fucking mad that PvP parrying is completely random up it's ass.
At least DaS you only had to account for 1 delay, now I have to account for 2, it's ridiculous.
>>255360992
Short answer is that its just poorly executed and balanced.
Long answer. A lot of it has to do with the roll hit boxes on players. Theres a lagging hit box on rolls that can be hit and/or grabbed into a backstab. Its been there since Demon Souls, and is only now really noticeable because of theres less I-frames in Dark Souls 2. So, because of how easy it is to grab someone into a backstab, and the enormous damage from it, you get a meta that likes to fish for this rather than poking or doing something like a neutral/footsies game in a fighter.
Then theres damage, all damage is enormously fuck large. Especially from spells, but its from all weapons.
Finally you've got a community of shit heels that think that PVP is legit form of competition. It's not, being good at pvp in Souls game is simply being good at a broken system.
>>255364418
>painting guardian pvp
I did that as well. I bent the rules a bit here and there though
>>255364196
Holy shit, I bet I can beat you with my 115 SL dual whip character.
>>255364386
>8 vit
flynn ring
>99 attunement
more spell charges
>>255364405
from 15M you can get with anyone over it
>>255364449
poison spotted whips, powerstanced
it's like 4 times the poison
>>255364484
>i like being gimped so i can not feel as bad when losing and blame it on my opponent who levels up like the game requires you do
check out this dork
>>255364196
>SL518
>hex babby
kek what a shitter
>>255360992
Because invading in NG sucks with the way farming for orbs and Soul Memory works. Eventually you end up so disadvantaged because you're fighting people who have far more game progress than you and have access to all the perks that entails.
NG+ is ok at first but quickly sucks dick when your SM shoots up to the point where nearly everyone is adding more levels so they can run around in full Havels spamming high level magic.
>>255364702
>red phantom is behind you
>Force makes them fly forward
>>255364712
if you are better than me sure, it's not like increasing your SL does anything other than give you more weapon choice and flexibility
>>255364726
that was the idea
>>255364718
>i have to level up to ridiculous levels because I suck otherwise
:^)
>>255364886
They fly in whichever direction you are facing
>Soul memory gets put in to combat twinking
>Something that was barely a problem in the first place
>Fucks with the multiplayer mechanics in a bad way, and fucks over people trying to play the game
>Meanwhile, anyone who actually wants to twink just uses a save editor/mule/whatever and bypasses the system anyways
On another note, does arena fights still have no level restrictions?
hardcore players will never be satisfied with the PVP and they're fools to try and balance it
>Not hacking your SM to 1Mil
It's so fucking easy, plus no VAC.
No easy solution for console babbies though
>>255362102
>releasing DLC instead of fixing these problems
BRAVO
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>>255365067
pretty much this.
It almost never feels satisfying when you beat someone in pvp. It's like just unloading gimmicks at someone and whoever's works first is done. Theres no come back or recovery. Its like a less balanced rock paper scissors
>>255365026
keep clinging on to your pointless meta, there is absolutely no reason not to level up indefinitely unless you're a "muh meta" faggot nerd
please don't come whining and crying about "overleveling babies" just because everyone and their moms is beating your SL150 faggot ass down
Who cares?
Everyone is rolling fire/dark powerstanced lances now anyways, you cant parry those.
>>255361281
>Why is Dark Souls 2 such a piece of shit, /v/
FTFY
>>255364196
Whats the best way to grind levels?
How long until people find a way to make your weapons do petrify damage
>get to Belfry Luna
>get invaded by two grey phantoms before I even manage to talk to the NPC
What's even the point in this? Almost got one of them and then he just perma-blocked right next to the NPC so I couldn't attack anymore.
First time the game forced me into offline mode.
>>255365540
collector edition 99 kings souls
>>255365540
ng++++
>>255365445
It's halberds you can't parry. People just use lance/yorgh spear powerstancing because it wins trades with everything.
>>255365279
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSRG0TqxLWc
The reason it's shit is because you faggots insists on making arbitrary rules to fight by then get butt blasted when an opponent doesn't follow this rule.
>>255365605
It's an optional area that doesn't really exist for anything but a shitty boss soul and pvp.
>>255365770
>making arbitrary rules to fight by then get butt blasted when an opponent doesn't follow this rule
Souls PvP playerbase in a nutshell
PVP in DS and DS2 should be designed around annoying someone by invading them while they're trying to get things done. the mlg 360 shit just sucks but it's not what the pvp is designed for anyway. it's supposed to add another layer of danger to the game, you can be invaded any time! it shouldn't be soul memory/NG+ only for the sake of esports
>>255362907
Even if bloodbros got a full red eye they would have to make it so that one successful invasion gives you sin. I think it takes like five to get one point of that shit and once a bluefag kills you your back to square one., Invasions all around and everyone is happy. And if they aren't, fuck em. Thats what the meek covenant is for, is would be perfect.
>>255364196
Literally what is the purpose of having such a high level character for PvP? You can dish out massive damage with a character under 150. The only reason for such a high level is if you want many different builds on one character but soul vessel makes that redundant.
>>255360992
learn to use jump attacks and guard break bashes
or learn to hit someone with not parryable attacks
or just outplay your opponent
the things that really need fixing are the netcode (never happening) and matching people with bad pings to eachother/completely disabled cross-region play
most other things dont matter
>>255360992
Because its not suppost to be balanced or competitive. Its like D2 PVP which was bananas.
People get some sense of honor though and all this other bullshit then get upset when they lose, even though, the whole point of pvp is using all you can to kill the other person because only the end result matters, not how you got there.
>playing Dark Souls 1
>get invaded
>infinite health shitter using instant curse katana
>>255366162
What is the purpose of not leveling up? What else are you going to do with your souls?
>>255366162
I can't wear full Havel's and stack 5+ buffs while powerstancing heavy weapons at 150.
>>255366315
>playing on pc where its easier to hack
Remember when being invaded was scary?
Dark Souls 2 doesn't have that.
Since I know it's a guy at around my level, unless I was an idiot and didn't spend my souls on the right thing (read: adp, weapon upgrades). By the point I start getting invaded by Havelbabies, I've already played through the game to the point where I -only- want to pvp. The tension of possibly not making it to the next bonfire disappears.
Soul Memory ruined a big part of what made getting invaded interesting.
>>255360992
Soul memory
>>255366162
what is the purpose of not having such a high level character for PvP?
there is absolutely no reason to not level up as much as possible to keep up with the others and you can still gimp yourself adequately if you absolutey want to do honorable duels with the 150/200/300 fags or whatever the "new meta" right now isI do that
>>255366271
Somewhere along the line people forgot that pvp is an afterthought in the souls series. Its not supposed to be honorable, or fair. You are supposed to kick and scream and throw dirt in faces to win.
If you have your own honor-code, go for it. Just don't bitch when you get beaten by people cheesing the game. That shit happens in literally every single competative game out there. Nothing but mix/max tryhards.
>>255366162
because I can? It's not like it changes anything with the diminitive returns, and as you said it makes it so i don't have to change characters or make new builds, i can just choose my new "loadout" so to speak
also it makes nerds mad, that's a very nice bonus
>>255366271
>the whole point of pvp is using all you can to kill the other person because only the end result matters, not how you got there.
I've seen people use this line of logic to justify a wide range of cheating, from simple SL manipulation to full-on infinite health instant-curse shit
>>255366601
>comparing cheating to using all avaible options in the game
now you're just trying to hard
>>255366526
Only reason Dark 2 isn't scary when you get invaded is cause it never fucking happens. If they made an infinite red-orb obtainable early on to nearly everyone this game would be so much fucking better it would be silly.
PvP everywhere, you can't hollow out and get a pass, you can't beat a boss and be ok. Your ass is on the menu until you spend an extremely useful consumable.
>>255366789
go onto NG+, loads of invasions there
>>255366468
I don't know if i could live without my fast load screens. that shit spoils you the most. I will take the occasional hacker.
>>255366561
Yeah this is pretty much what I do, I bow and if they charge its whatever. Lately though I have said fuck it because orbs are rare. Got my first hate mail a little while ago...it kinda felt good
>seriously complaining about the PvP in any of the Souls games instead of just playing a real competitive game
>>255366526
Soul Memory and Soulvessels also killed any reason for doing playthroughs with new characters
which means less fodder for invaders
which are already fucked by SM
>>255366935
patience and multitasking allows me to do what I want
do you suffer ADD or something?
>>255366867
That isn't a solution to the problem. That should be a thing that exists on NG. Having to play through the entire game to get any amount of pvp is bullshit. Especially when they implemented a "good" system for keeping it fair.
>>255366789
Would seem like fun at first but if the whole game was nothing but Belfry Luna and Sol then it would get fucking boring quick.
Not to mention if you want to just get help to fight a cuntish boss and you keep getting people invading or trainer faggots wanting to fuck you over then seriously fuck that shit.
Also they need to fucking fix the Blue Sentinels, they should not need to use a ring just make them have to use an item to announce their appearance in an area then go defend way of blue players.
They also need a real blue eye orb not those bullshit cracked ones that cost insane amounts of money.
>>255366526
>Most of the levels are either so short, or have so many bonfires that the host is almost always either already challenging the boss, or took two steps backwards to summon someone
>>255367138
I get what you're saying man, I do. If you want a test of skills, play another game.
But what is awesome about Souls PvP is that it is -supposed- to be an interruption to the story and part of the narrative. Lorefaggotry aside though, it's one of the few games that offer a chance at 1v1 medieval fantasy combat in a 3d environment. There are few games that offer that opportunity. Which is why we get buttsundered if our only grab at that opportunity is, frankly, shit.
There aren't many games where you can customize your character's appearance, armour and weapons and then fight in many different locations that offer terrain that can be used to one's advantage.
Name one and I will drop this buggy, unbalanced mess for it in a new york minute.
>>255367741
Mount & Blade?
It's utterly retarded that katanas and short swords can break 100+ poise on first hit.
This alone makes wielding heavy weapons completely unviable in DaS2 PvP unless you're playing against a complete moron or another poor sap wishing STR weapons were anything but useless.
Not to mention unless you're a faggot mage buffing your shit, your weapons will do no damage.
>>255367138
>Wanting to play a Souls game competitively
I just want to invade people, or co-op without jumping through fucking hoops like the last games
>>255367406
Thats why there are measures to prevent that shit son. Invasion cooldown timers, Blues, how pathetically easy it is to boss-run. Burning effigiys to prevent that shit.
There are options man, I know the system in place has a pecking order in terms of invasions. Sinners-people with phantoms-human-hollows. PvP is part of the experience, between zero action and constant I would rather have constant .
>>255367513
Are you referring to DaS1 or DaS2?
DaS1 had the summoning phantoms thing, yeah, but that's the cost of invading. You run the risk of having to fight off more than one person in order to get what you want. Boohoo, you're the one invading this guy in the first place, he can do whatever he wants to survive.
I've rarely encountered a situation where I've had more than 2 hosts challenge the boss as soon as I invade within an hour of gameplay.
>>255360992
>No BS fishing
>Movesets actually matter
>Variety in playstyles
>Magic is actually good
Pvp is better than it's ever been.
>B-but Soul Memory
DaS1 had even less restriction on brackets. A level 60 could be paired with a level 700. Educate yourselves. http://darksouls.wikidot.com/online-matchmaking
>>255367872
Close, and it's an amazing game for its own reasons, but it's low fantasy, which scratches a different sort of itch.
I realize it sounds like I'm moving the goalposts.
>>255367908
>Get completely naked
>Flynn's Ring, RoB+2, Clutch Ring, Stone Ring
>Sunlight blade
>Dagger
>Only summon havelfags and slow weapon users on the IK bridge
>Literally just run at them and R1 over and over
Funniest hatemails ever
>>255368081
I meant DaS2.
I have no problem with the host trying to run back to a bonfire to summon people. What I have a Problem with is bonfires being a couple steps away at any given time, or the level is so short the host can just run to the boss before I spawn in.
>>255364196
>4 ADP
>>255368067
Do the invasion cool downs proc for the invader or invaded?, because getting your ass kicked one after another like Sol and Luna is fair shit but if not then it works I guess.
Easy to boss run?, you do know there are some bullshit bosses in the game like Ancient Dragon and Sinh who have a habit of just saying fuck you and insta-killing you, that combined with people invading you just to fuck you over can get annoying and might drive away players. There needs to be a balancing act of invasions and just leaving some people the fuck alone so they can make actual progress as apposed to just fucking around.
Problem with the DS2 system of everyone must pvp is that it really promotes rampant cheating to a degree, many times ive blue invaded on the guilty just to see them nearly die and turn on inf hp so I cant kill them so I have to leave the dogs alone.
From need to really crack down on cheating to make the online stuff more fun and some of the ideas like maybe putting in a red and blue eye orb in the dlc to find would be nice but in the end would that in turn make the trainer uses more rampant?.
Id really just like to bodyguard people without using that shit ring and have them clean up the online code so I can fucking do what the sentinels are there for to help people who suck shit at pvp.
>>255368519
he already has 107 agl
>>255368119
>>No BS fishing
Are you playing the same game? It's still nothing but backstab fishing and rolling around each other trying to get dat backstabs.
>>Movesets actually matter
Pick the fastest moveset with at least 30 poise break (katana) there you go.
>>Variety in playstyles
There is no variety when everyone is 40 in everything and everyone is using the same copypaste build of hexes, avelyn, painting dagger, katana.
>>Magic is actually good
Magic was crazy powerful in DaS1 you utter faggot, and it's even worse now. It's always been the scapegoat for bads.
>DaS1 had even less restriction on brackets. A level 60 could be paired with a level 700
Your 'source' is bullshit pal, it was proven long ago that DaS was 10SL's +10%, and only in forest PvP was there no upward limit.
>>255365846
Bastille Key, tho.
>>255368939
Jesus that was difficult to read.
Only runback that is shit is the ancient dragon, which you could burn for.
If you get invaded you get a cooldown until you can be invaded again, its generally long enough to full clear an area or make an attempt on a boss. Cheating happens, it ain't great but people are going to be assholes regardless of the game.
>>255368119
>No BS fishing
Now it's parry fishing. Small improvement but not by much. Besides, backstab fishing was so easily punished.
>Movesets actually matter
Great, fantastic. Except most weapons in the same tree have the same moveset with a few exceptions. It's less "Ok, do I want the weapon with a more varied moveset but less damage or do I want the opposite, more damage with less versatility?" and more "Well, they are both the same moveset wise, so I'll just go with the one that does more damage."
>Variety in playstyles
Meta consists of full havel's, santier's spear, monastery scimitar, dual mundane avelyn's and great resonant soul.
Other build is naked with binoculars and a resonant dagger. Great variety there.
>Magic is actually good
Hexes are actually broken. The rest is shit.
>>255368119
SL60 could only be paired up with a SL700 if the SL60 were the one invading. You don't have to worry about level 387 havel shitter ho ho hoing it's way into your world. This is fine, the risk of gross mismatches is in invading other worlds, not in simply playing in your own.
However, that's now possible both ways in DS2, as SM is the only thing that matters anymore. SL60 could be invaded by a SL700 simply if their SM level matched up. You might as well max out your level, wear the strongest armor, and just jump on every new meta bandwagon that comes out as adjustments are made.
>>255369384
Binosprint is busted and every weapon and armour you listed has been nerfed.I miss Binosprinting ;_;
>dlc announced
>fucking really? they said there wouldn't be any not even 6 months ago
>whatever, try it out anyways
>mfw it's actually fucking good and fun
>help co-op bosses for a while after I finish
>try pvp out
>remember why I fucking hate this game
and the orbs still cost 10k? fuck off from soft.
>>255365279
