Which video games have the most satisfying shotguns?
Brutal Doom.
F.E.A.R.
Halo: Combat Evolved
Painkiller.
Killing Floor
Quake
Doom
Max Payne
Would you guys say the counter-strike series has good shotguns?
I rather enjoy the M3/Nova
Metro: Last Light
Mafia 2
Nothing compares to Gears of War and Doom
No other game has shotgun play as good as that, you might as well just use melee weapons in most FPS's.
>>253801416
>that quad-barrel
muh dick
>>253801586
Too bad both of those games are shit.
I'm still planning on making my master game. No assault rifles, no rocket launchers, only shotguns.
Shotguns of all shapes and sizes, big and small, hefty with a kick or rapid fire, they would ALL be there. This way, they wont be gimped for balancing issues like they always are, it will be a glorious orgy of all you can see.
Different types of ammo too, and maybe a kicking feature to top things off.
![Ivory_Gnasher-1024x576[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VUsVOSG.jpg "Ivory_Gnasher-1024x576[1].jpg")
Gnasher from Gears
It was incredible for most maps and kept the game tactical since it was lever-action making every shot count.
If you missed your first shot consider yourself dead.
>>253801942
different gauges, too I hope.
>>253801942
Coin shots and slugs pls
>tfw throwing slugs downrange woth mossberg 590a1
I wish more of /v/ was hasgunz
>>253801942
Are there going to be 40MM launchers using M576 rounds?
>>253801990
As someone who has played hundreds of hours of Gears multiplayer, I've got to disagree.
It sucked until Gears 3, and then it was just alright. In previous iterations it was too spammy for it's damage.
Every fight ended in one of three things, the last being most prominent. Either explosives, a headshot or two idiots rolling like jackasses shooting 15 shells into each other.
In the first 2 it wasn't weighty enough, and the poor net code combined with hitscan made it a lottery gun. In the 3rd it was a lot better though.
This beauty needs to be in more games.
>>253800864
>Ithaca model 37
>tfw driving through Ithaca and all that's left is a small shack and one of the chimneys from the original factory
Underhell, a Half-Life 2 mod, has the most satisfying shotgun I ever seen in modern games. Also really good mod.
Doom
Killing Floor
Metro: Last Light
ANY resident evil game. i think it's much more satisfying than any FPS shotgun
>>253801769
>Doom
>shit
nah
Far Cry 3:Blood Dragon
>>253803393
don't respond to blatant retards and shitposters pls
>>253803041
I remember Gears 3 being the most perfect multiplayer game at launch that I remember in a long time; everything was balanced near perfectly and the net code worked fantastically.
Then the first patch hit and somehow made everything worse - still decent by most standards but not as good as it was at launch.
killing floor
Metro
>taking this long
The fuck? Best shotgun in a single player FPS.
>that range
>that nonsensical double barrel shot
>that feel
>that sound
>>253803594
It always confuses me how valve can do strong and accurate shotguns, but all their other guns are pretty unsatisfying
![depezador_mag[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ehQfCLl.jpg "depezador_mag[1].jpg")
This fucker right here, is the most satifying shotgun in a videogame ever.
>dat 32 rounds drum mag
>dat choke
>dat heat shield
For all the hate it gets on /v/, if there was ever one thing Call of Duty did right, it was shotguns.
>WaW's Trenchgun
Be still my heart.
Metal Slug
Worms Armageddon
>>253800864
>fallout
>bloody mess perk
>>253803393
It is shit, the controls are garbage
Killing Floor forever and ever.
>>253800864
EYE has a great feeling shotty
>>253803803
Came in here to post this. Fantastic range too, I love that thing.
>>253803936
I'm not sure if you're "trolling" or if you're just 15
>>253804083
Nice rebuttal, doesn't change the fact the controls are bad
>>253803936
>PC game
>Controls
I guess the options menu is just for show
>>253803808
WaW was a very good game.
>>253804278
Nigga please. Go into the controls menu and activate mouselook. Damn, there's an options screen for a reason.
Many shotguns support multitudes of ammunition types including fucking grenade rounds and next to no games take advantage of this.
New Vegas, Rage and BioShock/2 came close but still disappointed.
>>253803051
most games that try fuck it up. I distinctly remember modern warfare 2 having a really shitty aa12. The AA12 is bad for games because it's OP AF IRL, and games don't usually use spaces bigger than the effective range of it, so it's even MORE broken in that context.
Killing floor is the only game i've played with a not-embarrasing aa12, and HOLY FUCK it is awesome.
>>253804278
WASD to move and mouse to aim and shoot
I don't get it. Do you need a controller or something?
![1024x576[2].resizedi.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/19lBInU.jpg "1024x576[2].resizedi.jpg")
>>253800864
This bad boy
>tfw STALKER has no good shotty
The threaded barrel shotgun with slug rounds is alright but not nearly as satisfying as most shotguns.
Killing Floor
F.E.A.R
Metro 2033 and LL
Unreal Tournament
>>253800864
Fistfull of frags
>>253804464
Don't answer to the faggot. He shitposts the same thing every time Doom is mentioned.
>oldskool sux!
>muh shitty controls with no mauslook
>>253803859
god metal slug has such an outrageous shotgun. Never heard a more powerful-sounding sfx for a gun than that either. shit is like a cannon
>>253804629
Get that pump streak, yo.
>>253803808
Haha. What?
Every automatic shotgun was nerfed to hell and back and semi's were point blank or no damage.
Fuck that shit. It's like the CoD Deva never fired a fucking gun before.
Pancor jackhammer in Fallout 2
Literally RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE
The UT series.
Killing Floor
>>253804464
>mouse look
>existing in 1993
>>253804583
They weren't as satisfying as say, Killing Floor's shotguns, but they were great. Did you use the saiga in AMK?
FEAR needs another mention. It isn't just the shotgun by itself, which alone is fantastic. It's also the reactions from the enemies you hit with it, the alarmed shouts and orders from their squad mates, and the big fat holes it punches in walls.
>>253804486
The selective fire is what did it for me. Hunting Shotgun for sheer fuck-you-you're-soup-ness, AA12 for absolute raw power.
Vlad can go fuck itself though. Urgh.
>>253804278
>rebuttal
You have actually provided any argument, you just stated a baseless claim.
>>253804862
There was no vertical mouselook, but you could use the mouse for aiming horizontally, in fact the original manual even recommends it.
>>253804396
>play on normal, game is piss easy
>play on hardened and up, game is hell, every enemy has unlimited grenades, every turret level is a nightmare
Why can't devs properly scale difficulty settings? Christ...
>>253805172
>no vertical mouse look
That's the problem
>>253804862
It wasn't mouse look in the traditional sense, but you could turn your character with the mouse, which was all you needed in that game.
I'm sure if some shmuck can't handle using kb+m for Doom you could probably get gamepad support. Either way, saying the controls suck for Doom is utterly meaningless, you might as well be whining about having to breathe in real life. No one should take such a dumb comment seriously.
>>253804883
not that guy but my favorite shotgun in stalker games is the mossberg. not enough games have straight up fucking duke nukem shotguns, and I personally use one whenever possible, because it's badass as fuck.
>kill a flesh
>your face, your ass, whats the difference?
>>253805129
Hunting Shotgun is 10 times more consistant and powerful than the AA12. Might as well use the regular shotgun or HSG-1 with the HS and the Katana for 6000 damage on Scrakes
Vlad is useless however, I agree
>>253804883
STALKER has been on my backlog for at least 6 years and I've just started playing it now. I'm still only about 2/3 through my first vanilla(ish) run of SoC but I'm looking forward to diving into some mods soon. STALKER general over at /vg/ did mention some of the mods have better shotguns.
>>253805331
You don't need vertical mouse look in Doom since putting an enemy above your below your vision automatically leveled your fire at it. zDoom has traditional mouse look too.
>>253803793
I wouldn't say all of them, it's just that the SMGs are so unsatisfying. In HL all the explosives, the magnum, the Tau cannon and the hive hand were pretty cool. In HL2 the magnum, the combine rifle and the shotgun are great too. The pistol is ok, definitely better than the HL1 pistol.
Modern day Fallouts
>The Terrible Shotgun
>Dinner Bell
>All that close range dismemberment
Feels brutal, man.
>>253805480
HS and AA12 is my favorite combo.
>>253805574
I liked HL1's Glock far more than HL2's USP
Need more games that really utilize the unprecedented potential for sheer craziness in shotfuns.
>ctrl + f
>no Serious Sam
Serious Sam
>>253805438
What game?
>>253805820
B-but anon-kun, Serious Sam is not a shotgun!
>>253805883
Firearms Source
>>253803594
Does the HL shotgun actually shoot from the tubular magazine, or does it fire two quick consecutive shots?
When I was a kid the HL1 shotgun made me thing all shotguns had two firing barrels, it took me a while to figure out the lower one just holds the shells.
>>253805989
Are you serious?!
Payday 2 has the best secondary shotgun in all of history
it's all people use
>>253806152
Dead Serious
>>253805817
the end all, be all to those alien sonsabitches in alien swarm
>>253805721
Agreed, firing the USP felt like shooting peas
>paff paff paff
>>253806094
Nobody knows.
I always think it's two quick shots, because it makes me less angry.
>>253800864
Red Dead Redemption
>dat stopping power
>dem pellets
>blast a nigga at mid-range with a coachgun
>shoot his gun out of his hand and his hat off of is head
>hit him in both arms and both knees
>hit him in the groin and gut
>he falls to his knees
>somehow manages to pull out a rifle
>give him the second barrel
>he collapses and tries to crawl away while bleeding into the dirt
>leave him for the coyotes
![Trollface-3-d[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/pN1zmCU.gif "Trollface-3-d[1].gif")
>>253806152
I'm Serious, Sam!
>>253804583
STALKER has great shotguns. It's the only vanilla game I can think of where you can load various ammo types into the mag tube. For example you can have it so it alternates between slug/buckshot or have the tube filled with slugs and a buckshot chambered.
>>253806094
It fires two shots simultaneously.
When you pick it up the tooltip says "alt fire: fire both barrels".
Which makes no sense and I love it.
![blood_shotgun[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/z4qNh0l.png "blood_shotgun[1].png")
The one in Blood's pretty awesome.
>>253806094
I've shot three different shotguns in my life and didn't even know this
>>253801586
Wait, what? The GoW shotgun is only viable at melee. They're basically the complete opposite of satisfying or realistic.
>>253806302
>>253805817
post more /k/ shenanigans
>>253806327
I actually loved that one. It had just enough kick and it sounded like a pistol. None of that whispy fart sound like in CoD for example.
Great range and useful until the later areas.
>>253806669
Most of my stuff is /tg/, but I'll see what I have
>>253801401
>Would you guys say the counter-strike series has good shotguns?
i would never in my life use a shotgun in css.
>>253805526
>STALKER general over at /vg/ did mention some of the mods have better shotguns.
They definitely do. All the guns in Zone of Alienation are SO satisfying to use. The shotguns sound like cannons. I love it
>>253806558
You didn't know that the bottom tube on shotguns is the magazine?
You don't have to lie and say you've shot a shotgun before, because you obviously haven't.
This beauty right here. Because FUCK kleers
Fun fact! The viewmodel makes the weapon look smaller than it actually is, because in third person you can see that it's as long as Sam is tall
>>253806802
GO's shotguns are much better
Grezzo 2. And there's like 15 of them.
>>253806340
It's what I had chosen to think too, but according to >>253806442 it's not canon
>>253807189
Italians love shotguns.
Pop Rockets and Kill bursts allowed me to play this game to completion.
Had they not been in the game I would have stopped playing halfway through.
>>253807189
What is this? Some kind of GTA-themed Doom mod?
>>253800864
>CoD2MP
>map in Egypt with all those bunkers
>pumppumppumppumppumppumppumppump
>mfw
>>253808169
Pure edge and Jesus.
>>253800864
The Halo 1 shotgun is awesome. So awesome, that they made sure it was shit in all the sequels.
>>253808169
No, it's edgy-themed Doom mod. But it's okay because it is in Italian, which is like clown rape - it is supposed to be horrible, but it is just too funny
>>253802229
>tfw got a glock and a ak but dont know whether I should get a 590a1 or build an ar
New Vegas but you need to invest in perks first.
>>253803803
If it has that revolver mechanism why does it need a pump?
>>253808996
Only two perks
>>253803393
Your nostalgiafag is showing.
>>253803793
I'd argue the shotgun and the pistol were the only guns in HL2 that weren't satisfying.
Pic related, on the other hand...
>>253809181
>revolver mechanism
It's a drum magazine.
>>253808169
Imagine an edgy version of Brutal Doom made by a angry drunk Italian that has a hard-on for the over the top. And apparently he couldn't decide which weapons to put so he put every single one he could find. Seriously, there's like 80 weapons and some of them are just ridiculous.
>>253809432
If you don't think HL2's shotgun isn't one of the better guns, you need to replay the game.
>>253809496
Angry drunk italian? That's me.
Go play Grezzo 2.
>>253800864
Halo: CE
Destiny, from what I've played of it
Doom
Battlefield 3 if you shipped out with slug rounds
It was some revolver or drum loaded shot gun in STALKER CoP. Easily my favorite.
>>253809584
Maybe I do, anon. It's been a while.
I played HL1 second and the shotgun in that was so good that the one from the sequel kinda faded from my mind. Shit, what the hell have I been saying for the past few years?
>>253803803
Game?
>>253809936
E.Y.E Divine Cybermancy
>>253809914
Really.
HL2's shotgun does about the same damage as the revolver and it's arguably more accurate than the SMG and Pusle Rifle at range, plus the ammo is really abundant and the alt-fire for heavier enemies.
How come there's no KS-23 love /v/?
It's a real life version of the flak cannon from Unreal.
>>253806745
>sounded like a pistol
Have you even ever fired a gun before?
I got level 6 Medic in KF, should I join the Support Specialist master race?
>>253806327
Wait a second, that was a USP?
As in the .45 ACP USP?
As in the gun that uses the same rounds as the M1911?
What the fuck.
>>253808939
>Glock.
Fuck Glocks.
>AK
Hope you didn't get an Arsenal.
>AR or 590a1
Build an AR man. Fun as shit
>>253806745
>HL2's pistol
>sound like a pistol
Aside from the spread, Halo does shotguns really well.
HL1/2 are also good, besides the retarded two-shot feature.
Favorite shotgun in vidya is the break-action in CODWAW
>>253800864
>ctrl+f
>hotline miami
>No results
Guys...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNE2oCZH_4k
>>253810585
>disliking Glocks and Arsenals
u wot m8
>>253810739
>using guns in HM
>>253810290
7,62 and Cowadooty
>>253810361
Yes I have. Try playing the game with a decent set of speakers.
It's not fucking perfect but it's decent for a video game.
>>253810776
Glocks are -okay- but not the BEST SHIT EVER that everyone makes them out to be. The hype made me hate them
Arsenals are meh at best for the price. Too bad Saigas just got banned.
![24743[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ovf5rE1.jpg "24743[1].jpg")
>>253810863
>Not using every tool at your dispossal in HM
>>253810517
I knew it was a USP but I assumed it was chambered in 9mm.
>>253811190
>not cheesing everything with Tony
>>253811190
guns are basically good score killers in hotline miami
just swap melee weapons a lot
>>253810517
It's only modeled after a USP Match
E.Y.E has a great shotgun, large ammo capacity and enough range and power to deal with most human sized threats from under 50 feet.
>>253810869
>7,62
Christ, the Schwerer Gustav was 800.
>>253811531
>USP Match
What's the shit on the front do? Is it just to hide the muzzle flash?
>>253812198
I think it's to add weight to the barrel, the match is a target shooting gun.
>>253812198
To make it different enough that they don't get sued?
Red Orchestra 2: Rising Storm's trench gun is so satisfying.
Being a sneaky squad leader, pumping nips full of lead is so fun. You can even unlock the bayonet for it.
It also has a not so terrible range and can kill within 60 meters.
>>253800864
Soldier of Fortune.
>>253804486
Perhaps you could balance it by making the drum mag jam more frequently and/or make reloading take more time
>using shotguns with only one barrel
>>253812974
Way ahead of you man.
>>253812974
>using barrels with only one gun
Will the real world ever start emulating vidya and make double, triple or quadruple barrelled pump action/semi automatic shotguns?
>>253813237
Is the damage a really delayed shot from the cyberdemon or from the recoil flinging you into a wall?
>>253813237
What's a good doom2 mod that's not brutal doom.
>>253813452
former
>>253813452
The rocket the Cyberdemon fired before he was gibbed.
>>253813475
Don't have the WAD info sheet on me, sorry.
>>253813237
>Quad barreled shotgun
Cool
>Four quad barreled shotguns
>mfw
>>253804614
It's a shame that the double barrel in Metro looks like liquid ass.
>>253800864
World at War has god tier shotguns
I loved hl1's shotgun in hldm.
>>253801595
>20 round saiga
>>253813401
Probably, and it will be a glorious day when it happens
What is the point of the handle?
>>253807773
Are you me? 80% of my rage playtime was me either using pop rockets or getting stuff to craft more pop rockets.
>>253813401
They kind of have, several times. It just ends up being overkill and a pain to reload.
>>253807773
>Rage's shotgun
muh dick. The rebar launcher for the nailgun was satisfying as fuck too.
>>253814079
for handling, makes the gun easier to steer
>>253814079
Looks like a experiment to see if its easier to reload from the top.
>>253814079
Hypothetically? Firing from the hip with better accuracy.
In reality? Looking kind of neat and being really dumb.
>>253804583
>Saiga
BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM
>>253814079
breaching doors
Killing Floor. Tripwire just knows how to make weapons feel awesome
Also the Desperazor from EYE. Feels great to use, usually a one hit kill if you hit all pellets, and a much more realistic spread so you can hit at longer ranges. On top of that it's got a drum mag with 32 shells, so you don't have to let reloading spoil your fun
>Shotguns that fire faster than assault rifles
>shooting an ant into the stratosphere after he's dead
>>253813475
>>253803182
this one was my first asg replica
>>253814671
Automatic shotty from EYE is even better.
>>253814219
Although apparently the Defender was a great design, the barrels could be fired individually giving you quick access to situational ammunition and the deluxe version had a tear gas launcher in the centre, like something out of Judge Dredd. It was well received but rejected because of the recession.
The Model 1897 was used by American troops for other purposes in World War I other than a force multiplier. American soldiers who were skilled at trap shooting were armed with these guns and stationed where they could fire at enemy hand grenades in midair.[2] This would deflect the grenades from falling into the American trenches and therefore protect American soldiers.
>>253815043
Oh gosh i want to pet the small one
>>253803051
it is crazy ugly though.
A thing of beautiful destruction to be sure; but the destruction is pretty; not the gun. The gun is the destructions fugly sister that SOMEONE has to carry. I don't wanna be that guy just for a chance at that destruction.
>>253815043
>smaller one does less damage
>>253815576
but it's more accurate
The riot shotgun from new vegas
>>253815685
No, the hunting shotgun from new vegas.
>>253814892
Thanks buddy.
>>253815306
I got to shoot one of these old beauties a few weeks ago at my local range. Thing handles like a dream.
>>253815576
>can be somehow hidden during a weapons search
call of duty 2
/thread
My favorite shotgun was the Mass Effect super shotgun that had to reload after each shot.. the krogan gun I think. That was badass.
>>253814079
You hold the handle and then us it to push the gun against a door to blow off locks to enter a room.
>>253813401
A quad barrel shotgun exists, made by a german luxury gunsmith. It's ridiculously expensive.
>>253816182
Can you get any more basic than that?
>>253817195
Derringer.
>>253814892
>HDoom
what the hell
>>253803408
>fire upgrade
>for a shotgun that you will mostly be using on enemies right in front of you
Nah, the shotgun in Blood Dragon sucked.
>TFW you will never unwrap a factory loaded mag
>TFW you will never put a blasting cap on a mag and turn it into an antipersonnel mine
>TFW you will never send your jackhammer into the factory just to change a broken trigger group
Why even go on living when you will never get to use the best shotgun ever made.
>>253817256
Simpler, not smaller
>>253817628
AA12 is better
>>253813401
Anyone have that picture of the 2 870s (?) slapped together with one pump and handle?
>>253818094
A Derringer is a percussion cap, single barreled gun that shoots one little bullet. There's no bolt action, it's a single action.
Mechanically speaking, a Derringer is simpler than an Obrez.
>>253800864
csgo sawnoff
>>253813970
Whatever happened to that signal-controlled "future" tech? The one that had a bunch of rounds lined up in a barrel and used an electrical signal to fire each one in turn?
>>253818397
Nevermind I found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI50Ekjbpmc
>mfw using this weapon against the mutants
GTA IV: Episodes from Liberty City, both the street sweeper crazy motherfucking shotgun from TLAD, and the ridiculously overpowered auto shotgun with exploding rounds from TBoGT. Bonus mention to the sawed-off from TLAD. Nothing beats firing 2 shells through the window of a minivan that rear-ended your bike.
>>253815504
>it is crazy ugly though
You gay son?
God old weapons are silly and I love them
>>253819969
Look at this shit. It's a hammer with four goddamn wheel-locks inside the head.
>>253815306
Damn.
That's pretty badass....
>>253817472I've played it. Shit's good.
>>253820471
One day, some dude thought, you know what, fuck armor. Armor is for pussies. Fuck your armor. And then he went on to make this and kick all the ass by bashing skulls, shooting them, and setting them on fire at the same time.
No Payday?
Sons I am disappoint.
Sawn off Mosconi
Hi power with low visibility.
Fucking god-mode nigga
>>253820837
Some poor sucker tried to do the same thing with an axe but he fucked up hard and probably got laughed at.
>>253820837
And then the weapon smith never sold it because every noble around him would rather buy six arquebus, twelve pikes, four swords and bucklers, helmets and jackets, AND rent trainers for all twenty two men.
>>253821249
Luckily, other people got the same idea and didn't fuck it up.
>>253800864
Rising storm and Insurgency have the best shotguns. Mostly because they behave semi authentically. I used to like the HL2's shotgun, until I found /k/. Now I'm a giant faggot when it comes to the behavior of guns in video games.F.E.A.R.'s SPAS-12 gets a pass just because it's awesome
>>253821279
>implying you wouldn't buy that shit to carry into battle yourself or if you wanted to challenge someone to a very silly duel
>>253821279
I could see it being used by some fancy-ass swiss mercernary or something.
>>253821709
>idea and didn't fuck it up.
>Swiss
>not using pikes
>being relevant after Landschneckt
>>253821218
>Sawn off shotgun is a primary
>Short Barrelled Locomotive with a maximum capacity of 12 rounds is a secondary
I'm the Saw enforcer and I'd still use the Mosci if it was in the secondary slot.
>>253812198
It's a compensator, which is a fancy word for putting a metal block on the end of the barrel to reduce felt recoil.
>>253821374
When the US Marines were first founded and they were still cool, they used these to kick pirate ass and make Tripoli cry bitch tears.
>>253821854
Hey, the Swiss had halberd formations too.
>>253818808
It can be used to reduce a human target into minced meat
>>253805574
>that room after you get the grenades and can try it out
>items like tires and tin cans and lamps move away from the source of the explosion
>that grenade in FEAR that obliterates everything, blures the screen and fuckes up wall texture
why doesn't modern games have physics beyond the ragdoll effect?
I remember playing bioshock infinity, and most items are glass which just disappear into empty void somehow when they take damage
>>253821854
And that's why they have these.
Seriously, they just stuck guns on everything back then.
>>253821954
>"Commencing Virtuous Mission!"
>>253822441
Even India did that shit.
>>253803538
this thing is basically the closest any game has gotten to the Falcon Punch in smash bros.
>>253822483
Oh you
>>253822441
What's that? Too much pike? Too little gun? Fuck it, quadruple the barrels.
>>253822435
because modern gamers don't know that games once actually had attention to detail, and fun
so modern devs don't give a shit about any of that nonsense
>>253822715
One gunsmith was too lazy to bother with aiming.
>>253800864
TLoU has a great shotgun in multiplayer. It's really the only one hit down in the game.
>>253823413
Remove the two in the middle and you got the spread of shotguns in vidya.
>>253823413
>That loaded with birdshot
When you absolutely have to kill every montherfucker in the room
>>253803803
Love it to death, but how the hell does that tiny little drum pack 32 shells in it?
>>253823867
>birdshot
you'll probably maim a whole bunch of people, but there's a reason why birdshot is used for birds and not larger animals.
>>253823867
That was actually the point of the gun. If there was about to be a mutiny, you'd want everyone in your quarters dead before you.
>>253823867
I was about to post about how birdshot wouldn't kill anyone, but then I looked up a video of a dude shooting a piece of meat with birdshot.
