Amazing games that you just can't get into.
>amazing
amazingly shit
>amazing
Pic unrelated.
I actually bought this shit expecting it at least decent and i understand it follows the same structure of other mmos like WoW, but the fucking infinite fetch quests and grinding on not even remotely challenging camps of creeps isnt worth the investment to the apparently amazing late game. Also every town/city is dead and players dont interact at all except to roleplay weeb shit, and i have a decent tolerence for weebshit considering i browse /v/. I'd rather play runescape then this shit and runescape is fucking worse in a dozen ways, but at least it feels like your playing with humans rather than afk carcasses of lolis and your progress matters before late game.
I actually bought this shit expecting it at least decent and i understand it follows the same structure of other mmos like WoW, but the fucking infinite fetch quests and grinding on not even remotely challenging camps of creeps isnt worth the investment to the apparently amazing late game. Also every town/city is dead and players dont interact at all except to roleplay weeb shit, and i have a decent tolerence for weebshit considering i browse /v/. I'd rather play runescape then this shit and runescape is fucking worse in a dozen ways, but at least it feels like your playing with humans rather than afk carcasses of lolis and your progress matters before late game.
>>319679603
I did the exact same thing. Bought it expecting to get pulled back in to MMOs but it was just so boring. The character creation, intro etc had me hyped but oh god after that its just the same shitty fetch quests
>even shill bait threads like this get ignored
That's how shit your subpar generic bland WoW clone is.
MOST POPULAR
MOST WELL KNOWN
MOST POPULATED
MOST PLAYED
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MARKET
The Phantom Pain.
I always heard a lot about it being super amazing and open and lots of fun but I just didn't feel it at all. Maybe I'm just getting too old and cranky for games.
Heavensward made me realize that it is possible to make an expansion worse than WoD.
So. Boring.
>>319682160
>WoD
>better than anything
>>319679603S.T.A.L.K.E.R
I don't have the patience for it. It's one of those games you need to devote time to and get immersed in, and honestly I just don't care enough.
>>319681787
>watching MMOs
I mean, come on let's be reasonable.
![Gsbox[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jeGRa8a.jpg "Gsbox[1].jpg")
>loved it as a kid
>bummed I never finished it
>try to replay it
Where is the value, /v/? Is it the characters I hate? The story that doesn't grip me? The combat mechanics I enjoyed more in Dark Sun? The random encounters? The poorly written dialog?
>>319681787
Yeah because twitch is the end all of if a game is good.
>>319682535
It's a reasonable measure of their popularity, both are shit but one has more players and subscribers.
>>319682831
>>319681787
Yeah it's not like this has to do more with the popularity of channels or something.
>>319682831
If Sodapoppin wasn't playing WoW at the moment, there'd be about 10,000 fewer people watching that game.
It isn't that people find WoW really captivating, it's that a few popular streamers play it.
I don't know why people would watch either game streamed, though. They're not exciting games to watch.
>>319679603
I'm not amazing. It's mediocre.
>>319682936
>>319683209
Plenty of popular streamers already played it and promptly dropped it the next week or the next day because of how shit it is, it's so shit not even the shittiest streamers wanted to play it and shill it because its not worth it.
>Amazing
>>319682936
You have to admit that 260 compared to nearly 100 times that is a pretty big gap. Sure, some of it may be down to more popular and well established channels, but the gap still exists. The fact that both of these games supposedly have a similar amount of subs, and yet there's such a massive difference in people seeming to care. People will watch anything on Twitch, so why doesn't anybody watch FFXIV? Simply put, nobody cares anymore. I played since release and have dropped it for a few months because of that very reason, and many others have too. Sorry, not saying it's a bad game, but in the end it didn't really achieve much.
>>319682713
You'd be surprised how many people feel this way actually. Almost all my 'baby's first PC' friends look at twitch as the only important games in existence. I'm not joking. They were hyped for Overwatch when it had a lot of streamers, and immediately ignored it when it fell in popularity. They pick which games to play based purely on what they think they might be able to stream themselves, despite never streaming anything ever.
And the number of people that do this is GROWING. Kids are growing up watching twitch instead of television. PewDiePie and SikkStreamer666 are going to be their Thunder Cats/Hong Kong Phooey.
It wont be long before developers consider video game viewership just as much as they consider actual purchases. Many are already doing that and shoehorning in e-sports spectator shit.
>>319682831
>twitch
>reasonable measure of anything
If anything the game is background dressing on the popular streams.
>>319679603
How would you know its amazing if you cant get into it?
Shill please go
>>319683465
Japan gives even less shits about it.
>>319683807
post results with ffxiv
>>319683807
>japan gives even less of a shit about it
>literally, from what I can tell, its the second most popular stream on that page
>butthurt nerds will never stop shitting up threads for final fantasy games
Wake me up.
>>319682276
Being worse than absolute shit is an achievement.
I literally don't even understand how an RPG with a gear treadmill is even considered acceptable to release today.
It's like making a platformer with tank controls.
>>319683946
Except it isn't.
>there will never be another good MMORPG
>>319683440
>game has to have a ton of viewers in order for streamers to get them
It's amazing how many people think this and yet how untrue it is. People are going to watch anyone play anything so long as that person has some appeal. In fact, streaming the shit with hundreds of thousands of viewers is probably the worst way to get started. When I tune into twitch and I wanna watch some Counter Strike or Dota 2 I'm not gonna scroll down to the dudes with 0-5 viewers and hope I find a winner. I'm gonna go with the guys who have 100+ viewers that I know will entertain.
Back when I started streaming, I was streaming prison architect, space engineers, archeage, and vampire the masquerade. These are not games you see in the top viewed list. But I tell you what. Because I was the only one streaming these games AND I was entertaining I quickly built up a solid base of viewers. By the first month I was averaging 40+ viewers a night. That's not massive and I quit shortly afterwards due to getting a new real life job, but I can assure you it was the right path. I was a part of some small community of struggling streamers and after months and months of streaming League of Legends, WoW, and Dota 2 they were all still getting maybe 4 unique views a week. I've kept up with them and since quitting streaming for over a year now they still haven't matched my unique channel views.
TL;DR - Streaming popular games when you're a nobody is the worst way to start. Stream niche games, work on your personality, and speak with confidence. Also helps if you're handsome or hot and have a webcam.
>>319679603
I really like parts of the game, but the infinite gear grind is just a turn off for me. The only thing I can see to look forward to is new minions maybe? It's like there's nothing left to do but grind for items until next patch when they become obsolete.
>>319684390
>>319683440
In XIV's case, all the big MMO streamers already tried the game and dropped it almost instantly, even the most well known streamers inside XIV's own community only get 300 viewers at best when they stream. Face it, it's a shit unpopular game and it's not popular precisely because it's shit.
>>319684390
It doesn't have streamers with lots of viewers because the game is garbage. How hard is that to understand?
You would think a game like rocket knight would be a bit more fast paced and not look ugly as shit.
Pulseman had similiar mechanics and I liked that game a whole hell of a lot more.
>>319684875
I don't think the game is very fun to watch. That doesn't mean it's not fun to play though.
Its not like those cinematic games with cutscenes every 2 minutes and quick-time events that watch like a movie.
>>319684875
>and it's not popular precisely because it's shit
So why are people still watching WoW?
>>319685139
Because it was good at one point in time and has a legacy status and didn't shit the bed nearly as fast as XIV did.
>>319685139
Because while WoW is also shit, it's still a better game and the original that all shit copies like XIV always badly clone.
>>319683440
Well, it's about time you tell your friends that they are faggots.
>>319685261
Now WoW is copying XIV. It's funny to me how desperate Blizzard is to keep this ship from sinking when it's already half-way to the bottom of the ocean.
Metal gear solid Tpp or any mgs past 3 the sudden rehaul of gameplay just doesn't do it for me. Even though everything else seems cool.
XI still has a good population on Asura, still has a more measured and cerebral approach to combat that isn't mashing a linear rotation, and still has enough content to make your head spin, which is the main thing that makes an MMO good. Even as a massive nostalgiafag for CoP, the latest Mission set, RoV, might be the best thing that's ever been in the game. We have a nice community and if you're ever interested in living in a real MMO world rather than Eorzea which frankly just insults you with how shallow it is, we'd love to have you along.
see ya :)
>>319685559
Except WoW isn't copying XIV with their PvP changes, they're both copying Rift. Even with their arguable copy of relic weapons, they're still both copying XI, and WoW's copy is still superior than XIV's shit rehashed grinds to make the game seem more populated than it actually is. Just like Atma was a bad marketing ploy to make areas not look like the ghost towns they were, in time to shill the PS4 beta.
>>319685794
Is melee combat still "Hit an ability, nap until TP hits 100%, do a weaponskill, nap until TP is 100%, mob is dead" ?
>>319685851
You can't say it's bad if it worked.
>>319686452
i can't talk for every job but 99DNC is incredibly fast, it's actually hard to play optimally because obviously its a PS2 game so the network and interfacing isn't quite as snappy as it could be. also the animations are so detailed and actually unique to each race (imagine that!) I could just watch myself TPing all day anyway.
>>319685794
>:)
Ya blew it.
>amazing
It really isn't.
>>319686452
That's why you play a Blue Mage or Puppetmaster instead of a braindead melee class like Warrior or Samurai.
>>319679603
>(You)
I dont get how anyone can willingly play FFXIV when Black Desert exists. Then again, I dont get how anyone can play theme park MMOs and doesnt just opt for Black Desert.
Best combat system in any MMO ever
Best graphics in any MMO ever
Best class concepts in any MMO ever
Best potential for PVP in any MMO ever (if you remove 16+ enchants which the EU version will)
Best, simple artstyle in any MMO ever
Best crafting and farming system in any MMO ever
The only thing that we need right now is for Daum to not fuck up the EU/NA version like they fucked up the P2W tablet gamer KR version.
>>319685794
I'm thinking of trying the game again, I haven't played since WotG and the 75 cap.
Is there a resource where I can read up on the commonly used job/subjob combos of today?
>>319684336
There really won't be. WOW ruined the genre until the end of time. Thanks Blizzard.
>>319687174
Are you able to play an optimal RDM DD yet?
>>319687174
Oh I'm not touching Blue Mage with a 10 ft pole. I'm not sitting around for hours to learn an ability used by an NM that only spawns on some odd day at some odd hour of the day and only under specific weather conditions, then it uses the ability and I kill it and not learn the spell.
FUCK that.
>>319687369
Never. RDM gets no love.
(Refresh) (Can I have it?)
It's super polished, has a great aesthetic, gorgeous looking world design, and by far one of the best soundtracks I've heard in an MMO
Sadly the core concepts are all terrible. It's a shame because most MMOs feel and look like shit in comparison
>Awful, rigid class sytem with literally zero customization
>Near 100% scripted boss fights with no room for improv
>Everything based on lockouts, in a game designed around switching your job on a whim
>Everything is instanced
>Progression is dull; Gear is linearly scaling and the stats are boring
>Every dungeon is a straight hallway with trash-boss-trash-boss-trash-boss formats. Every single one
>Endgame raid structure is just tired stages of 4 boss fights. No actual raids or unique types of content
It's just too shaloow to hold my attention. There's no RPG elements to speak of, and the combat isn't exciting enough to make up for it.
Also there's never going to be Blue Mage, so fuck it
>>319684336
>>319687345
There isif you know/learn japanese and are willing to jump through VPNs and shit just to play it.Never ever.
>watching people play
Fucking millennials.
>>319687606
Blue Mage is a complete antithesis to the combat design of FF14 so I don't even know how they would make it work. BLU is all about having a huge variety of tools at your disposal and mixing and matching them to fit the situation. It was a perfect fit in an MMO where every job played like that, but in a rotation-based combat it just doesn't fit in.
>>319687775
I'm 35. My mom , brothers, and sister used to watch me play the NES and later SNES all the time. It was better than what was on TV most nights.
>tfw your mom cheers you on from the couch
>>319687748
I'm willing to believe DQX is a good game but I've never heard anyone explain why it's good except that it supposedly has a few similarities with FFXI (and I've never even heard specifically what makes them similar.)
>>319687748
M-maybe if we all buy a hundred copies of DQ7 and 8 on the 3DS they'll think about it... r-right..?
>>319687958
They could do it with "stances", but the problem is once people discover the most efficient mode to be in all others will never be used. Kind of like how BLU functions in FFXI today when you think about it (best in slot spells, etc).
>>319687958
Exactly, which is why I brought it up. XIV's core design wouldn't allow for a class that interesting
It won't have classes with unique spins on their roll, either. For example it would never have a frontlines healer like Dancer, because ever healing class needs to follow the same skeletal structure. Look at Ifrit EX and imagine a melee healer there
>>319687958
Unless they bullshit it with prelearned monster skills, and SMN is kinda like that now with the Bahamut skills.
It will be a shallow class with jack shit on what made it good. RDM would be worse and be more shallow because they could fit in 3 roles and give in stances tgat don't add variety.
>>319687369
in fact most people seem to see RDM as nukers these days. i don't know what "optimal" really means, BLM and GEO are obviously more specialized into pure nuke damage roles, but yeah you can nuke more now than you used to.
>>319687318
i was in the same boat and glad i went back. even though at the time (WotG) it was probably the right decision to leave, i wish i would have come back sooner, since they updated the game more than ever before in the last few years
you'll just have to hang around and read various places like BG/AH forums to get up to speed, but you can figure out Job stuff yourself easily enough if you do start playing. https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Returning_to_Vana'diel
You know that FFXIV is a badly designed game when they can't even figure out how to make a Red Mage work without breaking the holy trinity structure the whole game is built on.
>>319684390
>Also helps if you're handsome or hot and have a webcam.
there are people who prefer to watch streams without any overlay at all
For me the main draw of FFXI job design was classes that could dabble in multiple roles in an emergency situation. I loved that COR was support but also DD or debuff capable. I loved building a magical nuke gearset for my BLU, I loved switching out PUP parts depending on who dropped and joined the party.
>>319688083
Big open world, big emphasis on parties like old XI, slower paced combat but it doesn't get boring, crafting actually matters because you need to craft the best gear, bigger dungeons that aren't just a single straight corridor, bosses and enemies aren't an overscripted shitfest and have actual AI, as far as I know it has no lockouts, can also level and play every job on a single character.
Basically sticks true to the DQ formula in every single aspect of the game.
>>319688534
you mean blue mage right?
![aoz8kgx8pzknypz7z38n[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6gCzQhh.jpg "aoz8kgx8pzknypz7z38n[1].jpg")
>>319689032
Why is Red Mage such a big deal to so many people? Are these people just Red Mage fanboys or is there something that everyone should look forward to?
![4589933-5656550388-donte[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4ZpjJff.jpg "4589933-5656550388-donte[1].jpg")
>>319689221
Because black on red is cool and edgy
>>319689032
Blue Mage is another issue altogether.
The problem with Red Mage is that, as a jack-of-all-trades Job, it doesn't fit quite right in any one role.
If they include Red Mage as it was originally intended, there really wouldn't be any reason to bring one over a Black Mage, White Mage, or any melee job.
Realistically, if it is added at some point, it will most likely just play like any other melee dps: a couple dots, combos, and weapon augments (enfire and so forth, not unlike NIN's poisons or MNK's fists).I'm still holding out hope for a support-oriented Red Mage, with a suite of enfeebling abilities
>>319682541
You got old, that's why so many old bags on /v/ hate vidya
>>319689221
I don't really care about Red Mage but it's a Final Fantasy franchise icon that is usually available from the start, and so the fact that they built a game where they can't even make a functional Red Mage is hilarious to me.
Remember when every single thread on /v/ were shills for FFXIV
You fucks made me get a 3 month subscription
>>319689842
Summons can only summon puppets, i mean "egis" of the actual primal. They're debuffers too. White mages cast elemental magic. FFXIV doesn't adhere to the "classic" final fantasy tropes very well.
>>319690004
It's "my first MMO" disorder.
If the very first hamburger you ever eat is a 99 cent McDonalds patty you are going to think it's great and recommend it to all your friends because you don't know better.
>>319690194
>White mages cast elemental magic
White mages have air and earth based elemental magic has been a thing for a long, long time in FF
>>319690360
In FFXIV they dont even cast Dia. You can't heal an undead to deal damage to it. Fuck they dont even get Shell, it's a trait not a spell.
>>319688980
>dungeons that aren't just a single straight corridor
if only more mmos put an emphasis on this but that's never going to happen. I mean, people bitch and moan if you take the optional rooms in Stone Vigil normal.
>>319682276
WoW at least has questing than XIV
>one linear story
>can only do it once per character
>have to just spam fates meant for more than one person or do bounties while leveling a different job
meanwhile
>wow has a different starting zone for each race
>each race has the ability to go to another race's zone and do their questline
>no instanced areas
>leveling doesn't take long at all
>WoD offered the best questing experience of any expansion thusfar
>>319691038
They bitch and moan if you want to view cutscenes to story missions too. It's driven me to quit the game.
Honestly, it's probably better with friends, but my schedule means all my NEET friends have far surpassed me and now quit the game out of boredom, leaving me to pug everything. So I'm out.
>>319691303
>WoD
>best questing experience
are you high
>yfw NMs still have long ass spawn times for scrolls you need
Just wanna get both Refresh
>>319691367
each zone had an actual story to it and tons of quests that build up the dungeon for that area
>>319691303
>>319691552
Sure, each zone in WoD had its own story, but that didn't stop it from being absolutely dreadful. It's as if Blizz went out of its way to make leveling alts as tedious an affair as possible.
Not to mention that "no instance areas" is not accurate at all. In fact, WoD had more instances than any previous expansion by far.
What do I do if I want to play FFXI if I hate MMOs and only want to play them in the first place to complete all the FFs?
>>319689221
I don't know, scholars are already that.
>>319692642
Man FFXI did Scholar's right. FFXIV just made them a shitty healer.
>>319692186
Give up on your arbitrary sense of completionism.
>>319692186
you can solo all the stories with an NPC party and basically play it like a single player game
the "free" welfare gear and NPCs will carry you through everything. the cutscenes and characters are really enjoyable. the economy is packed with gil fountains now so its no longer impossible to buy all your own spells and shit as a casual player.
>>319692924
FFXI did most jobs better than FFXIV.
Don't even get me started on SMN.
WITCHER 3.
TELL ME HOW IS THIS GOTY.
>>319693115
Please, tell me more about summoners.
>>319693115
FFXIV SMN is so fucking awful compared to the stuff you had to go through to to have a good SMN in FFXI.
>>319693115
SMN is perhaps the worst offender. FFXIV SMN can hardly be classified as such.
>>319688202
Even when it came to "most efficent" you still had a variety of spell setups based on what you were doing, itd just be anther DPS in XIV, rather thanCurrentlyhigh end DPS, decent healer, decent nuker, okayish emergency tank
>>319692924
Yea it's basically Warlock from WoW. So disappointed. They could've done much better with it.
>>319693703
The funny thing is the warlock spec it copied is being taken away from warlocks.
>>319693067
I'll probably give it a shot after finishing up X and X-2. Thanks anon.
>>319692924
I still remember what a trucking worthless job scholar/dancer were on release, then scholar got a few adjustments and suddenly it shit on BLM, and started coming close to whm in utility. While DNC got natural DW and was suddenly amazing
>>319693810
what? if anything, the demonology spec is going to focus on summoning demons, rather than becoming one
>>319693639
True, but you wouldn't show up for a party and claim to be the tank. The community set the expectation that you DPS and that's all you get to do, because anything less efficient than the best of the best gets kicked.
>>319679603
>Amazing
FFXIV gets new complaints everyday. A main series FF game doesn't even have elemental spells that actually do elemental damage
Complete hack, Yoshi-P.
>>319693979
Oh obviously, hell for the longest time noone could expect a blu to even DPS since 90% of them were trash who didnt get their spells. Just pointing out the flexibility, if you made the effort to use it, was there. At absolute best, 14 would give it a minor healing move or two, or a few nukes, otherwise its pure DPS, and christ knows 14 has enough of those already.
>>319679603
>no content
>amazing
>>319694156
>Played BLM in CB
>tfw you got scared using Fire on a Bomb
I know there are bombs in XI that were weak to fire but still
>>319687606
Blue Mages learn their spells from other enemies so I don't see it really working either in a game like XIV.
>>319694236
>flexibility
This is why I don't care much for MMOs. Even if a job has flexibility once the community min/maxes and finds the best job/ability/gear they enforce that configuration with an iron fist. There really isn't room for flexibility in an MMO with a hardcore community.
>>319694709
This is pretty much why I find DPS boring. You do the same rotation for everything, the same buttons the same skills and then when you have to run dungeons to cap stuff it really hits you.
>>319694709
Find better groups, if you want to be the best of the best, sure, go balls deep in what is the absolute, unmatched best, part of the fun for me was making shit work when my LS didnt have everyone we needed, or we wanted to split tasks but didnt have the "best" jobs for the task.
Personal opinion but i found having the 100% best for everything to be dull.
>>319694709
That is a genuine problem in any game with an online community, but I think there are ways to alleviate it.
For example in FFXI the min/max bottleneck was often just the fact that you didn't have enough people available to make your ideal alliance setup. The fact that you had to make due with what you had available led to trying out more flexible playstyles. The Blue Mage wants to backup tank? Well, might as well let him try because our usual backup tank had to work... And then if you managed to do well and surprise everybody with an unorthodox setup, it was a great feeling.
>>319692086
what? garrisons and shipyards? each area in XIV is instanced.
>leave the main city
>has to load up the next area
>go to another part of the city
>has to load that part of the city
you can tell the game is in declinenot gonna stop me from subbing anyway since i'm bored with WoWmade a character on one of the busiest servers in the game and didn't have to wait
core gameplay is dog shit
but i still play it off and on
>>319694346
says the nigger who posts game that has literally no updates for a year+ at a time and forces people to pay 40 dollars to get all the content patches they should have been getting already with their monthly fees
>>319695124
This guy gets it, had to off-heal since our back up healer was ill, had to help nuke cause we were short nukers, i was never much of a tank but we had another blu who did very well. It's just nice to have the option available all on one job, instead of having to have 4 different jobs that do each specific task better.
>>319695206
every zone in WOW is instanced, you retard, it just disguises loading times with seemless transitions between zones
>>319695124
Yea I just dont think FFXIV allows you to just wing something, the roles are TOO well defined to allow something like that to happen.
The reason you couldn't get into it is because the combat is painfully bad. Which while the game around it is actually pretty good the tedium of the combat crushes the fun out of the game.
>>319695363
>disguises loading times with seemless transitions between zones
coulda fooled me. Better than what XIV does
>>319695363
What. So why does a guy I'm chasing after that crosses a zone border not vanish?
>>319695424
It doesn't in the least, but thats more a problem with current MMOs than MMOs in general, it just takes much less effort/time to make classes that fall in to 3-4 specific builds, rather than allow classes to have some flexibility. This is only further enforced by having everyone throw a fit if the setup/strat isnt 100% by the guide/video. Everything is instanced and there's no big time loss for the most part compared to the possible week+ you might lose if you fucked up in the past, not to mention pop items, etc. Just no reason to even try to make shit work nowadays
>>319695692
>>319695543
so you two are here shitposting ffxiv because you play wow?
you want to somehow in anyway justify 1+ years of no content updates/ no patches nothing. literally fucking ghost town servers for a fucking year before every expansion
different zones are hosted on different servers just because it seems like its seemless doesnt mean it is
if you played wow as long as youre claiming , to be such a die hard fan of it to shit post on /v/ about, youd know when entire zone goes down and you try to enter it and you DC because the server isnt online. thats the instance of the map being offline, AKA instanced.
WOW went heavily instanced especially after the server merge to hide the fact over 90% of wow servers are fucking ghost towns, even i think with separate instances of the same map, i wouldnt know too well because ihavent touched that piece of shit for 5+ years. nobody should sub to that piece of shit, and if you do you're literally cancer
>>319687039
name of the show?
>>319696261
so you're shitposting wow because you play ffxiv?
>>319696024
You make a very good point.
Sometimes I feel like FFXIV would have been better as more of a co-op game with 2 or 3 of your buds instead of a full-on MMO requiring 8 or more random assholes to clear content. Maybe dungeons could be more complex because you wouldn't have 7 other dickheads wanting to speed run everything and kicking you for not having optimal gear or whatever.
>>319696589
Probably, but it wouldnt have made nearly as much doing so. Which is what they were after after it bombed tremendously in 1.0, i personally hate what become of 11 and 14, but SE still gets props for turning such a failure into a successI still want my FFXI-HD or FFXI offline guys
>>319696261
Learn to type holy shit. It's like a big wall of stupid. No punctuation, run on sentences, a sprinkling of memes. Why would you expect someone to take the time to read this if you didn't put the time in to format it sanely.
>>319679603
damn if your late to the boat for any mmo you wont have any kind of fun with it
>Every job doesn't have a team behind it, it's literally like 2 guys in charge of 13 jobs, so they just make them copies of eachother
>release expansion that copies the same endgame strategy the game had on release, 1 raid + cap gear currency between 2 dungeons
>completely fuck up every system they try to implement and make it as obtuse as possible instead of just looking at other MMOs who do it better
This is really fucking embarassing, the game needs another Reboot
>>319697252
I keep hearing people say that the game is doing great so I doubt it.
>>319697397
The people who say the game is doing great are the same people who are playing an mmo for the first time or started playing video games for the first time in the last 5 years.
>>319697252
Plenty of people have fun with the game. I think the problem is they never make it out of the story content. Once you surpass that and get into the gear/tome grind the skill level spikes and grouping with randoms goes to shit.
Shortly after the Heavensward credits rolled, I left the game. Still thinking of going back but only if my close friends do as well (and they dont plan to).
I agree with you though, the raid/gear currency treadmill is getting stale.
>>319697397
It's steadily losing numbers, but not enough to do anything like a reboot. They just need to release some actual content,
>>319696261
Are you really this stupid? Are there people on this board that truly think this way? Just leave, you can't even defend your mmo.
I'm just about to hit 2500 hours played, it's not doing great, trust me. Anyone who actually gave a fuck already quit the game at this point. Like the other guy said, only casual 9-5 I'm raising a child sub 600 DPS shitters are fine with the game.
>>319696261
People already said they understand this, the point was that the map transitions being seamless on WoW is better than loading screens on FF14.
Also you have to be 18+ to post on 4chan.
>>319697774
>mfw I have 3069
send help
>>319690194
>White mages cast elemental magic
That's because Yoshida is a huge faggot hack and fucked up Conjurer and Thaumaturge. Conjurers had all elemental spells while Thaumaturge had both light and dark spells.
It made sense for Conjurers to progress into Black Mage as them using the destructive force of the elementals and for Thaumaturge to become White Mage specializing in the Light and life giving aspect of their diety, but Yoshida went "CONJURERS HAVE CURE THAT MEANS THEY MUST BECOME WHITE MAGE AND THAUMATURGE HAS DARKNESS SO BLACK MAGE LOL".
>>319696431
Rolling Girls
>>319698394
I played on 2.0 release, quit on 2.2 release, came back for 3.0, and am still playing, somehow got 2500 hours out of that how the fuck? 2100 hours of T5 and Extreme Primals or some shit.
>tfw PLD
>always played dps in every other mmo, so trying out tanking
>have no idea how some fights work
>all I do is just spam fast blade combo, flash, and shield lob with the occasion def and atk buff
>win sometimes
I just want to get to heavensward.
>>319698775
christ anime is terrible
>>319698905
>PLD
You're not gonna be a very popular guy for most of the HW content.
>>319698905
>PLD
cut your losses now, literally throw out the soul crystal and switch to WAR immediately.
>always played dps in every other mmo, so trying out tanking
Yeah, go WAR, you DPS and Tank at the same time.
>>319698775
Is that a paperclip?
>Boss fight arena
>Giant circle
>This still happens in 3.1
Defend this
>>319694490
Simple, every 5 levels you'll be tasked to kill something and you'll learn one of their abilities after you finish the quest, similar to how SMN handles learning Egi summoning.
Please look forward to it.
>>319699139
A cqc safety pin
>>319697689
Where are people getting this from? They dont release numbers.
>>319679603
Much better than WoW, but I'd hardly call it amazing.
>CS:GO
>Old metal gear solids
>Dark Souls
>>319699412
By you know, actually logging in regularly and seeing fewer and fewer people on each day the further we move away from 3.0 across multiple servers.
>>319699412
For the most part its just people playing, it happens every update, population spikes for a couple weeks when new content kicks in, then less people log in, this continues til next update, add in that they're taking longer to release content and what they are releasing isnt lasting very long. It gets pretty noticeable after about 3 weeks
>>319698854
That's hours tracked through steam. I have I think like 400 or 500 more hours that aren't logged there since I started on PS3.
>>319699770
i dont have it on steam, bought physical PC
>>319699412
There's too many servers as is, and population is shrinking on the non-popular ones.
I play on one of the Sargatanas server and it's a near ghost town at times, while the servers where all the fucked up RPers play on like Balmung is always full of people to the point you can't make new characters on them.
When 3.1 hit my server got pretty busy but it went back to tumbleweeds after a week. Didn't help that 3.1 sucked.
>>319699558
>CS:GO
lol
When will Square finally drop PS3 support? Maybe then we can actually get rid of all of those loading screens and invisible walls...r-right?
>>319700189I bought HW CE twice. I didn't know physical wouldn't work with the steam release but I wanted the stuff so I kept the pre-order and just gave the physical codes to a friend who plays and couldn't afford it at the time.
>>319700454
Square is really lazy. Anytime there's something that isnt new that needs fixing, their answer is "we'd rather move on"
>>319698978
Why? Do paladins just get totallly crapped on in it?
>>319700454
The damage was done. It's too late anon.
At least it was fun for a little bit.
>>319700326
I made a character during the free weekend on Gilgamesh and there wasn't a wait at all. When I first started playing last November it took at least an hour or two to make one the server was so full.
>>319700326
Sargatanus is high there on the legacy server list with the most players and it's still getting more abandoned every day. The only populated servers are meme servers like Gilgamesh, Balmung, Excalibur and Chocobo, the rest are ghost towns that should have been merged a year ago.
>>319699086
Is being a warrior just taking off the crystal, because I'm lvl 46 in PLD and WAR. Also, are MAR skills good to transfer over? They are the other tank classification and I was wanting to see if it was good to have some of their moves.
>>319700648
WAR/DRK just do everything PLD does better.
>>319700863
Taking off the crystal will make you a gladiator. Need to do the class quests for marauder up until 30 and level pugilist to 15, that's when you'll get warrior.
>>319700934
Except for like one dungeon and one trial.
>>319700771
>meme servers
>meme
This word has lost all meaning.
>>319679603
That's not how it works. You're supposed to say that they're shit, overhyped games.
New to /v?
>>319701236
Not really, DRK and especially WAR are actually 10x funner to play, and pump out more DPS single target, and fuckloads more in AOE. So PLD is literally good for nothing until they get a complete overhaul.
>>319700771
Tonberry is a ghost town now? Wasn't that the Aussie/SEAmonkey server
>>319700454
Even if they did drop support they will probably never fix up old zones.
Flying through the old ones will never happen either as that would require modeling things that you couldn't see on foot normally.
Although I heard some of the old zones actually have quite a bit behind the invisible barriers if you wall hack through them.
>>319701470
Wow, I thought I was making a good choice when I went paladin for tanking with all those damage passings and shield oath. I hope DRK is as good as I think it's going to be. I'm so angry that I have to level MAR to 30. I don't have the story quests to give exp and the dungeons aren't until 15. Jesus Christ, this game.
who /leviathan/ here?
>>319701848
It's pretty dead during US times obviously but it's usually pretty busy whenever I log on early or late enough. Haven't had to wait for a queue for a while though.
>>319701879
DRK is better than PLD in most cases, but it's still a shit class. Just play WAR, no joke. But like I said, there's like only one trial where PLD is the most optimal choice.
>>319701972
Gilgemash, senpai.
>>319702156
Like what? There's nothing PLD does that DRK can't do.
>>319702273
Gilga pride.God Limsa chat is cancer
Is paladin atleast fun to play as
>>319702273
Dang, I need leviathan grinding buddies.
>>319702273I-I play on Gilgamesh too...
>>319702413
What is it about Limsa that brings out the freaks? Even on non-RP servers they are there.
Uldah is bot haven, and nobody cares about Gridania.
>>319700771
>meme servers
what does that even mean?
>>319702540
Aetheryte and markets are in the same zone.
>>319702540
Its the popular main city.
You got the giant Aetheryte and the MB right there.
Its mainly the people under the tree that are cancer.
>>319702587
Any server that isn't dead
>>319702273
Does Hardware Hank still sit on benches doing nothing but still manages to get the best gear available?
Moved from Gilgamesh to Tonberry.
>>319679603
A sage for a bait
>>319702745
Yes except instead of a bench he sits at the edge of the platform. He looked better as a highlander than cancerlala
>>319702587
It means they've become literal memes and attract the biggest memesters. Gilgamesh has tryhards, Excalibur has EU tryhards, Balmung has ERPers, Chocobo has qt JPs and Tonberry has australians.
>>319702925
> Excalibur has EU tryhards
>EU
literally what
>>319702925
Why are Gilgamesh flames so cancerous?
>>319698775
I honestly can't believe people would watch this garbage
>>319702925
Time to transfer to Chocobo.
>>319702925
Tonberry now has cancerous NA's coming over because they hear how much better progression is and they bring their tryhard attitudes too.
Also
>EU
>Tryhards
>smug anime girl
You only sorta know what you're talking about.
>>319684875
It's shit because people don't want to watch other people play it? Wouldn't that just mean they'd rather play it themselves?
>>319687039
>>319698775
Boner, no. Boner, stop.
>>319703559
People don't want to watch and don't want to play it either because it's complete garbage.
>>319703559
Get with the times, gramps. People don't have the time or dedication to play games, so they watch others play for the same experience.
>>319698775
This wasn't dumb until the rose effects at the end of the combo
Still not the dumbest anime fight webm I've seen though. That still belongs to the blond vampire girl who flips from across the screen into a flip kick and then flip lands.
>>319679603
I think the reason you can't get into it is because deep down you understand that it's shit.
>>319689032
>>319688534
>>319689213
Because RDM is a terrible class for an MMO, whereas BLU is flexible enough to fit any role without changing the entire nature of the job.
>>319704246
Green.
>>319685045
Loved this as a kid but am disgusted by it now
>>319704358
Ivalice pls
>>319704330
Both classes would be terrible for current MMO
So we're all agreed that the next jobs will be:
Samurai tank (with Iroha as trainer)
Red Mage healer/support
Blue Mage DPS
right?
>expansion only had 3 end game dungeons, 1 of which is only use is the story
>releases a once a week loot system raid and new set of token gear
>only effective way of getting tokens is surprise surprise the same 2 dungeons
I quit around a month or 2 ago when they expected us to be doing fractal and everrape for another month. Lost all interest in Void Ark and whatever shit they were coming out with next because it was gonna be the same formula as before.
>same 2 dungeons for 2-3 months.
>>319689221
>Are these people just Red Mage fanboys
Yes. They should really just have the RDM outfit as a veteran reward, since all anyone really wants RDM for is the pimp hat.
>>319704613
Samurai DPS or bust
>>319704613
samurai should be a DPS kind of character
>>319690708
>Fuck they dont even get Shell, it's a trait not a spell.
That's not even exclusive to WHM anymore.
I support both changes, though. Having to cast both Protect and Shell is a waste of everyone's time, and having the other healers be straight gimped compared to WHM is stupid.
>>319687958
It would be pretty easy, actually. They already have the cross class system, and they could just copy-paste that for Blue Magic.
>>319704785
>>319704796
>mfw SAM will wield reverse-blade Katanas and do blunt DMG
>mfw my Dragon Kick will be to SAMs what Disembowel is to BRDs
>>319679603
Only thing it had going for it during release was the raid bosses and the combat mechanics around them. And that's been surpassed by several other titles.
>>319705079
That would imply them having to actually use the cross-class system as something more interesting than the shit it currently is, and that won't happen.
>>319699270
This anon probably has it about right, with some minor sword moves or spell buffs inbetween those levels.
>>319679603
literally no content, and I played this game for 5 fucking years. heavensward was a disaster, everyone i know has already quit
>>319699624
This doesn't happen on my server. Not a single one of my FC buddies quit the game and there are always a ton of people in Limsa/Idyllshire and even still in Revenant's Toll. Also I meet a lot of new people on DF.
>>319704796
>>319704785
SAM was always meant to be a tank in FFXI. NIN was always meant to be a DPS. Because of the nature of that game, the players managed to work them into DPS and tank roles, respectively, and the Dev team had no choice but to role with it.
With XIV, roles are hard locked in. You can put as much VIT on a caster as you want, but they'll always be a DPS. Now that the team can force the roles they want onto the jobs, they're rectifying their mistakes of XI. They made sure NIN was a DPS this time, and you can be damn sure they'll make SAM a tank.
>>319705857
>A 3rd sword using Tank
>>319690194
That's because and I'm not meming when I say it, FFXIV is a WoW clone first and a Final Fantasy game second.
>>319705652
Duty Finder pulls from every server in your data center cluster, so that doesn't imply anything about your own server.
>>319705857
just like dark knight became a DPS in XIV right?
face it, we aren't getting another 2 handed sword tank. that would be retarded
>>319705396
>no content
>I played this game for 5 fucking years
Most games are lucky to keep peoples attention for a month.
>>319705857
Question is what kind of tank, as is WAR/DRK and even PLD pretty much fill in any of the niches, i suppose they could actually attempt an "evasion" tank if they bring third eye mechanics over, not sure how well thad work though.
>>319705652
A game doesn't need thousands of players to look populated, it only needs around 100 to give the illusion it has players, especially in a game with small as shit town maps like XIV, still doesn't mean it isn't losing subs fast.
>DF
You're just in a big data center with a lot of servers in it, when you farm content on the DF you'll end up meeting 80% of the same people over 10 or so runs.
>>319706328
Meeting the same person twice in DF almost never happened to me and I can tell you I use DF A LOT. I usually spam the same dungeon when leveling from 50 to 60 and I almost never end up on the same persons.
I couldn't get into Bioshock, even though I loved System Shock 2.
All the basic elements are the same but it just felt off somehow. Can't really pin down why.
>this thread is still up
