What will go wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNOy63UZXvM
Everything
>What will go wrong?
Will not work, like all releases since Rome2, for at least a year
By then game goes on sale at discount
No one pre orders because see above
Company gets desperate for money and savages game for pre orders incentives
Customers had enough and stop buying altogether
Suddenly crates and micro transactions.
Go find a mod for shogun 2 instead
>>318025094
>get Attila because I loved Med2 and Rome1
>know about the fucked up unit collision and take the gamble that it's been fixed enough to make the game still a lot of fun
>actually do love the battles. Different feel from the two I've played but still a lot of fun
>play Ostrigoth campaign
>love the faction traits, love the new diplomacy system, like the tech tree, like some other minute details
>"gee wilikers I should get out of Horde mode asap"
>take Illyria pretty easily
>look at settlement building browser
>"what the fuck is going on?"
>it makes no sense to me and still doesn't
>Huns act like total assholes (which they should but it's still annoying)
>NPC nations all cheat like motherfuckers, not even sneaky about it. Fucking Iberia sent three big ass armies to attack me two turns after they become a faction
>food is just another damn thing to pay attention to
>economics don't work out for my settlement
>caught in downward spiral with Hun armies taking me for a ride
When does this game's campaign become fun?I actually have high hopes for Charlamagne though. I want to crush some Vikings
howdy germanic servants. cheg it out i'm made of gold.
t. charlemagne
>like 2 for its setting but not its gameplay
>like Attila for its gameplay but not its setting
>>318026716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY
ebin gsg meems
>>318025094
Looks pretty solid so far but the war wearniess element can go fuck itself. Getting negative public order the longer you're at war with someone is stupid in a game where the AI can't use diplomacy properly for shit.
2 Total Wars in the same year
That is what will go wrong.
This is Attila DLC sure, but its a large one. CA are releasing these things too often now.
>dlc for an expansion
Is Attila worth buying on sale at all?
>>318026969
I don't know. I think the war weariness thing makes sense PROVIDED the faction affected by it is losing the war. In previous total war games there was 'Glory' public order buff one received when they won a string of heroic victories so it could work.
>>318027206
get shogun 2
>>318027305
>playing as sameface gooks in different coloured armour
no thanks
>>318026969
Maybe this mechanic will actually make the AI understand it should try to get peace before it has already lost 90% of their territory.
>>318027206
$15 or less, sure.
>>318027305
>Get medieval 2
Ftfy
>>318027101
Atilla is not an expansion retard.
>>318027407
>ai getting rekt by player
>rebels spawn due to war weariness
>rebels capture depleted enemy settlements
>new factions formed
>your armies kicked out of neutral region
You know this is what will happen
>>318027206
Yes. Indisputably the best gameplay mechanics and AI of any TW game.
>>318027376
it was a much more solid game then rome 2 or attila
>>318027419
fun game but late game ctds
>>318027440
Oh of course, it was a completely new game made from scratch, how could I think it wasn't just a new campaign built off the Rome 2 engine? And Steam says I don't need Rome 2 to run it, so that pretty much confirms it!
Fucking mongoloid
>>318025094
He looks like peter capaldi with long non-grey hair.
>>318027440
It is, albeit standalone.
But it definitely is merely an expansion of rome2.
>>318027236
>>318027407
The only thing that will happen is that you'll have shitty single-city factions refuse peace despite shitting on their only army. Not only that but you know that ally your enemy has that you were also at war with on the edge of the map? Yeah he's not gonna sue for peace so enjoy ramp up negative public order because you're still 'at war' even though you can't even see them.
>>318027506
this tbqh
>>318025094
nothing, Attila is the best total war and this is just an expansion so there is no way to fuck this up
>>318026623
>look at settlement building browser
>"what the fuck is going on?"
>it makes no sense to me and still doesn't
I'll never understand people who dont get the building system, its incredibly simple
>>318027305
shogun is one of the worse tw games, no idea why people love it so much
>>318027773
>attacking Kyoto with half of your army fucking cavalry
yeah I know you're Takeda
still shaking my head to be honest
>>318027206
No, I don't get this meme that Attila fixed everything wrong with Rome 2, It's got a few bug fixes but it's just as shallow and boring
>>318028587
>attacking Ashigaka held Kioto with Great Guards
wut
>>318028587
otomo > ikko-ikki > shit > takeda
fucking horsefucker scum
>>318028537
thank you shill
>>318028537
I would say shogun 2 is the most balanced game. I got over 1000h on it and I'm still playing coop with it.
Rome 2 is cluster fuck of 200 different 3 full stack factions. Ive never seen a big AI empire in it. In shogun after 40 turns theres many big clans around fighting each other.
But I think that last rush dlc Otomo messed up that balance big time. After 3-4 full coops Otomo always endsup owning half of japan cause of the insane conversion rate and rebellions following that.
Attila has great potential but is 10months old and still needs a fuckton of patches.
>>318029623
its the most balanced because all factions are nearly identical, it also has the absolute worst sieges (wall climbing, archers that are so effective that you can take a settlement with just ashigaru bows, battles that last seconds, realm divide)
m2, FOTS, napoopan and attila are all better games, imho
>>318029623
like what? after installing that one more agressive sieges mod I dont remember running into any issues
>>318029598
>the shill meme
sod off, atilla has better mechanics then any other tw game
Do knights exist in Charlemagne time?
>>318028587
is was the final battle of legendary difficulty campaign using all hero units
>>318029247
had mod that allowed many units to be built with end game buildings
>>318029373
the starting position is fun
>>318029903
>absolute worst sieges
when was the last time you played a pre warscape siege anon? pathfinding was so god damn awful that if you put a unit on the walls, you had to leave it there
>>318030275
'Miles' did which were basically proto knights
i really like atilla total war but fuck dlc. i wont buy this shit unless its like 90% off
>>318030309
the biggest problem with cavalry heavy factions is that the AI is not good at anti cav tactics, so the game becomes trivial
>>318025797
>modding perfection
game was fine before you fuck it. now is trash.
Just stick to the classics
Play Shogun 2.
>>318030503
>fuck more content, I hate it :(
>>318030647
>more content
>viking forefathers dlc is literally just a faction unlocker and 3 new units
stop
>>318030512
exactly the reason I used takeda since it was max difficulty, the stacks of ai were fucking ridiculous, 5k groups came down like waves
Still using Warscape.
>>318030721
literally all the DLC except the campaign maps are faction unlockers. They're in the game regardless of purchase.
>>318030518
you again
>>318030721
>new units don't even count as content!!! >:(
>>318030721
but this one and the last roman are not "just a faction unlock" these are precisely the kinda dlc I can tolerate - the ones that add whole campaigns, as opposed to "yet another samey barbar/greek faction" the DLC
>>318030868
there are 10x more new units in mods. that are free
>>318025094
>TOTAL WAR
Wait, people still play Total War? Pretty sure the last nail in the coffin was set with Rome2.
Sorry OP, polite sage.
>>318030883
TLR is garb mate, ezmode romans fighting barbars.... ZZZZzzzzZzzz.....
>>318030807
Empires of the Sand begs to differ
>>318030868
why would i pay money for something that would be shoddy even if it was done by a modder for free
>>318030914
So?
>>318030920
quality post
>>318030930
You only need to pay to play as sand niggers dumb shill. They're in the game regardless.
>people think Warhammer Total War is going to be good
The sheeps will never learn, will they?
>>318025094
everything.
>>318031019
>tanukhids
the pack also added new religions
>>318025094
Heavy infantry and Heavy cavalry
Easily the worst unit types in Attila. Not because they are bad, but because they drag the combat into an absolute slog.
>>318031101
in the game regardless of purchase.
>>318030930
So don't pay. Play vanilla if you're poor or you think the new content is not worth it. But going around saying "fuck more content, I hate it" is fucking retarded.
>>318030926
I liked the moorish and later north barbar invasions, playing on legendary made it quite fun, imho, also restoring the empire while dealing with 2 crazy women (Theodora and Antonina) and a jelous fuck up of an emperor (Justinian) was bretty fun
though TLR was only fun if you remain a loyalist because if you break of from the ERE all the quests and events stop ALL OF THEM
>>318031135
the religions absolutely were not but admittedly i can't remember if the tanukhids were or not
>>318031143
more like "fuck nickel-and-diming for half-assed content"
>>318031135
they added them in a lot later after the release, the same thing they did with celts, so that you can have them in the game even if you didnt buy them, which is much better, then locking them completely behind the paywall
>>318028537
>so there is no way to fuck this up
Steady bro... This is video gaming and the year is 2015 remember...
>>318031156
>the gimmick is that you play as a kek
>>318031043
CA will never stop
NEVER
>>318031043
Its shaping up to be the best TW game ever, so yes, chances are it will be good.
Apart from the DLC, fuck that.
>>318030647
Adding minor faction so you can sell more shit. Adding minor factions to mess up the early game.
Thank god i played my Eastern roman empire campaign before that hooknose faction was added to the desert.
r2 is ruined because non of the factions have the power to conquer eachother. Its up to the player to deal with these 1-2 region mini-factions from early to late game.
>>318031225
They're all in the game. You are literally paying for a faction unlocker.
>>318030997
so i want you to hang yourself
>>318031291
It just won't feel right.
>>318031318
Ah, an edgy teen. How refreshing.
>>318031315
>>318031230
they were not in the game at release, celts just had nordic rosters, and ethopia had a tiny roster of like 3-4 units, arabjews and tanookids werent in the game at all
they just added them in for everyone when they made the DLC
>>318031373
im 26
>>318027206
Yes, it's most feature complete and challenging game in the series. Not everyone likes the setting but the gameplay is best in the series.
>>318031365
Thats a good change though.
More 20v20 fights and less spamming stacks of faggotry.
>>318031397
???
Does that change the fact that it's in the game and the DLC merely unlocks the ability to play them?
>>318031425
Wow, so you're not an actual teen, just a cretin mentally stuck at the level of a 12 year old? That's sad.
>rome 2 was a disaster
>atilla is just ugly looking
>have no interest at all in the warhammer setting
It's going to be a while until a TW game dethrones Fall of the Samurai as the peak of the series
>>318031291
Oh my sweet summer child. In goes the hook, line, sinker and the whole fishing pole.
>>318031043
Everyone said Attila would be shit and it turned out to be the best game in the series.
>>318031559
Oh my sweet shitposting child
Choke on a lego
>>318031550
>attila is bad because graphics
>>>/out/
>>318031510
the difference is that its not "on-disk" DLC or some content that was always in the game and simply locked from the player like that viking forefathers shit from the same game, it was not there from the start, they made extra content and added it in for everyone a long time after release
would you really prefer it if the factions werent in the game at all for people who did not buy the DLC? I didnt want to play as celts so I didnt but that shit, but I still get to play AGAINST them and have a new factions in the game regardless, I think its a decent approach
>>318031609
The truth hurts doesn't it?
>>318031720
What truth? All you are doing is shitposting utterly illogical bollocks
I cant even tell what you're shitposting about or think you're right about, because its so convoluted
Polite reminder: we on the whole approve of NEW content dlc that adds to the life span of old games and it will be consumed happily
Is just we've been burned so often as consumers now we tend to view video game announcements the same way we view random emails from 'girls' we don't know asking to be our girlfriends if we provide our credit card details...
It's taken a lot of abuse from an industry to get us to this stage of apathy to be honest
>>318031660
you would think that people who play RTS would care more about things like battle AI (the best in the series is in attila - the ai leaves troops behind to lock of streets when it attacks your settlements) inner politics (far better than anything we have seen, they actually make sense, your nobles can finally divorce, adopt and marry and have more then 4 kids, civil war is entirely avoidable as long as you pay attention to the game) and new mechanics (hordes, razing) and not visuals, but literally everyone is complaining about the visual side and muh collision
>>318031765
TW - MCHAMMER will be utter shit and wont be patched to "working" condition until a year later.
>>318031906
Oh, so you're just being wrong.
Carry on.
>>318031489
I have yet to see anything to tell me that they know what they are doing.
The giveaway was when we got to see that nice battle with Karl Franz, and they said it was all scripted. And that they are still working out air combat.
Coupled with the DLC bullshit, having hope will be the first step on the road to disappointment.
I would love to be wrong, but history has taught me otherwise.
>>318031660
If rather just buy a while game to be honest mate, and buy DLC years later if the game is good enough to warrant it.
Problem is they rarely are good enough anymore
>>318031878
Well the collision and formations are pretty shit. Hit like wet noodles and never hold their formations unless its pikes or shield walls.
But otherwise its definitely the best TW game by miles.
>>318031906
They've said they'll be release the game to youtubers weeks before release so people will be watch let's plays before deciding to buy.
>>318031968
buy a whole game I meant there sorry
>>318031965
>The giveaway was when we got to see that nice battle with Karl Franz, and they said it was all scripted
Like literally every single TW battle released by the developers ever? Seriously what are you bitching about. Those videos are just for showing off the units.
This is why we wait until they give out copies to TW youtubers who actually play the game pre release, they did it for Shogun 2, Attila and other TW games and they will do it for Warhammer as well.
>>318031985
It doesn't make any sense for most units to hold a rigid formation in the middle of combat anyway, unless it's a shield or pikes like you said.
>>318031986
>youtubers
Yes, I always rely on the impartiality of the carefully chosen army of rent a neets that plague social media now
>>318031937
Wow you are in a such denial or work for CAs/Segas marketing dept.
>What will you do for rome?!?
launch utter shit, patch after patch after patch...still shit. Emperor edition released a year later, maybe good? I dont know I dont care, got buttfucked with the release.
>Attila
Naive little me orders it, ok some small little things that are irritating nothing to worry about. They will patch it right?...right?
>10 months later
FUCK
So sure, mchammer sure gonna be blast!
>>318031906
>I don’t want to pre-order without seeing more of the game or a review!
>That’s entirely and absolutely reasonable. We haven’t even scratched the surface of the game yet and there’s plenty more to come. Soon, through the eyes of the Greenskins, we’ll be showing you campaign gameplay for the first time. Then there’s lots, lots more, including plenty of livestreams, Lets Plays and Youtuber and press coverage.
>Also, for TW: Warhammer we are going to be doing the same thing we did with TW: Attila. Reviewers and Youtubers are going to get the final game before release and can make their own Lets Plays and publish their own reviews in advance of the game going on sale.
>Before release day, you should be in a position where you can read reviews and see the impressions from your favourite Youtuber, and still have time to decide if you want to pre-order.
>If for whatever reason we aren't in a position where we can send code out to review and give people enough time to review it before release, we will move the release date back until we can.
>>318031660
there are many, many reasons that attila is bad that have nothing to do with graphics
>>318032075
Matter of opinion I guess. Personally I prefer the lines to hold and have minimal merging. It makes things like impacts far more enjoyable since when you get a good charge you actually break into the lines.
When every fight is lines broken it removes from that charge fun.
>>318032127
But Attila fantastic at release, and they have updated many of the issues like the coop bugs.
Whats your point? Apart from trying to prove you are just jaded as fuck.
>>318032151
Okay, tell me.
>>318032141
after all the backlash CA has gotten since rome2 i'm not surprised they would be playing it safe like this
>>318032071
Did you read the rest of my post or just stop there?
The whole tone of the thing sounded like they had nothing in place gamewise yet. It was disheartening as fuck. They just kept saying we are still working on X or Y.
Couple that with their near constant ability to keep fucking up their launches, I just don't believe it will be good.
But like I said I will be happy to be wrong. We have all wanted a WHFB TW game since TW first came out. It just sucks that it didn't happen until GW had already fucked up the game beyond repair lore-wise. So we are stuck with the shitty End Times which has already been abandoned and written off.
Even if the battles themselves are good, the empire management part still sounds shoddy.
I want to believe anon. I really do.
>>318031965
>20 unit battles
>brand new team working on TWWH (it just don't feel right)
>no unique banner carrier
>no more mounting/dismounting
>grand total of 4 factions (1 dlc)
>"designed for future hardware"
>mods banned
>no naval battles
>no family tree
>"we've got plenty of DLCs planned for TWWH"
Can't wait.
>>318032354
>The whole tone of the thing sounded like they had nothing in place gamewise yet. It was disheartening as fuck. They just kept saying we are still working on X or Y.
So you're just one of those people who live in some magical fairy land where games pop out into existence and don't get worked on for long periods of time.
>>318032379
>designed for future hardware
If you think this is bad thing you are literally retarded. Would you prefer they just lower the max settings?
>>318032208
>Okay, tell me.
okay, you asked for it
>stupidly strong village watchtowers that can easily take out half of a heavily armored unit with shields in the time it takes to cap them
>dumber than usual campaign AI that likes to chase you, leaving their settlements undefended for an easy sack
>retarded tech system that forcibly replaces earlier units with less useful and more expensive ones (looking at you, germanic mounted brigands, you worthless faggots)
>battles still easily end in less than ten minutes and missiles are still ridiculously stronk unless you're using germanic archers
there's probably more i'm forgetting
>>318032379
>mods banned
They have no choice over this, no company that works with GWS does. So that is hardly their fault.
>>318032379
Coupled with the fact that WHFB is literally dead so they will get minimal promotional help from GW. Maybe even none given it would promote a product of theirs that doesn't exist anymore and would compete with Age of Sigmar.
We can't have nice things. Especially when it involves GW somewhere.
>>318032497
>stupidly strong village watchtowers that can easily take out half of a heavily armored unit with shields in the time it takes to cap them
Okay holy shit my sides, stop reading there.
You blatantly don't play Attila. But nice try you almost had me convinced you were being serious.
>>318032471
>32 bit engine
>"future hardware"
>>318032379
>mods banned
Mods aren't banned retard, it just won't have official tools or a workshop. Empire and Napoleon didn't have either of these and had tons of mods.
Anyone else disappointed by the video?
>>318032502
Why does where the fault lies matter? The end result is still a piece of shit.
>>318032583
So you would prefer they just lower the max settings?
>>318032562
it's funny you try to say i'm the one who doesn't play attila when anyone who entered a siege in that game would know what i said is true
nice try with the shilling though
>>318032612
"oi m8 let's not support mods but let the chaps fuck with our game anyway wot say you? "
How do you really believe this shit? Why do you think they're not supporting mods anymore?
>>318032646
This is a Warhammer game. If you want a TW game that is modable go play M2.
Seriously, if you dont even like Warhammer, this game just isnt for you. Half the shit you are bitching about just isnt compatible with Warhammer.
>>318031660
>Graphics and aesthetics are the same thing
Why do people keep making this dumb mistake?
>>318032671
It's codeword for poor optimization moron.
>>318032695
>The sky is green!
This is what you are doing. And no, saying it multiple times doesnt make you right.
>>318032703
>Why do you think they're not supporting mods anymore
Because Games Workshop told them not too officially support it which is exactly what they said.
>>318032443
When your presenter starts hesitating about the presentation like they did, and there is still so much X and Y to be worked on that your 'demo' is meaningless outside of showing your graphics, then you have previewed your 'game' too early.
And this is after a legacy of consistent launch issues with the TW games.
Clearly they have not learned their lesson, and neither have you.
By all means I am not stopping you from pre-ordering if you so choose. Just don't try to tell me with a straight face that they totally know what they are doing this time guys after all the other times.
Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?
>>318032618
Considering it shows absolute fuck all, I'd say that's the default reaction.
>ctrl+F blood of saxon men
>0 results
you guys arent ready
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC0S60Gp5rM
>>318032768
> Lowering the max settings makes the optimization better
>>318032790
And why do you think GW doesn't want them to support mods? Are you really this dense or do I need to spell this out for you?
>>318032797
>want to show people that they are working on the game, and plan to improve it over time and not just keep everyone in the dark
>WAH I DONT LIKE THIS BE FINISHED ALREADY
Jesus Christ stop being a child.
>ending with some shitty meme
Yeah, like I thought.
>>318032646
>>318032379
Mods aren't banned you stupid fucks. CA themselves have said it will be just as moddable as previous games although not officially supported because GW won't allow them to.
>>318032712
Not the anon you are replying to but what the fuck mate? How would you not want mods for this so that people can fix up the cluster fuck that GW made WHFB?
>>318032797
>When your presenter starts hesitating about the presentation like they did
All he did was say they had work to do, they didnt hesitate about anything. Stop being a jaded fuck.
>>318032775
>This is what you are doing.
no, this is what you are doing
as sad as it is to literally have to pull a "no u" this is how bad your argument is, you haven't refuted any points just said "loldoesnthappencuzisaidso"
>>318032863
>And why do you think GW doesn't want them to support mods
The same reason they don't officially support people using their own figures on the tabletop. But that doesn't people can't still make their own custom models to use on their own.
>>318032908
CA never said that. Why do you think you'll be able to touch anything when GW obviously doesn't want you to?
>>318032950
See >>318032775
Feel free to provide an actual argument and stop ignoring mine.
>>318025797
Is this thread made of a collective retard association or something?
This is a 13 euro DLC, it's not a new game, are people literally talking so much out of their ass they don't even bother to check this?
>>318032964
They'll sue the fuck out of any company that makes unauthorised figures and accessories plus you can't use any of that crap in official events. Besides which it's much easier to regulate modding in a video game.
>>318032208
well, some shit I've seen:
>Cavalry units roflstomp any infantry unit thats not in Shield Wall or Pike formation.
>Huns spawning a doomstack every other turn
>Hunstack spawn with lazer bombing Large Onagers.
Attila used onagers and Attila was the only Hun king that took down walled settlements. Before Attila huns did raid the roman empires but Attila was first to desolate large cities and large areas of roman land.
Huns subjucated factions beyond the Danube those that would not submit crossed the Danube into roman soil.
Every campaign I have played in Attila TW there is a huge grey wedge of desolated land from the Steppes to where ever my faction controls land.
These are some of the major bugs I can remember atm. Havent played attila in a while cause Im waiting for the gdamn patches.
>>318033105
>it's much easier to regulate modding in a video game.
>>318032867
>>ending with some shitty meme
>Yeah, like I thought.
Just because a game adopted it doesn't make it a meme.
You are expecting a different outcome this time from all the other times despite nothing being different.
The definition of insanity.
>>318032935
Both parties involved in the game have burned me. So no I reserve the right to be jaded.
Like I said I am not stopping people from pre-ordering. Just voicing my concern.
>>318027206
Probably the best TW
C'mon guise, there are plenty of legit reasons to abuse CA without blaming then for Games Workshops jealousy IP fuckery.
To be honest at this rate neither will be around by the end of the decade anyway
>Charlemagne was known to be an absolute giant of a man
>still shown to be as tall as a regular soldier
>>318033180
Are you retarded? They just need to hardcode shit. The hardcoded stats in M2 aren't even broken yet.
>>318033105
If it uses the same open db structure as all other warscape game it'll be easy as fuck to mod, and they won't be able to do shit about it.
>>318033005
okay
i just tested it on a custom battle against an unfortified town
1 sarmatian warband vs village watchtower
reduced to 50 soldiers before watchtower was destroyed
feel free to try it yourself and post results
>>318033228
They would need to completely re-work the engine to no-longer use the open db where most of the data is kept.
>>318025094
>charlemagne
Take that Hans.
>>318033225
He was 6 foot tall, at that time it was tall but not a "giant of a man".
A real giant was emperor Maximinius Thrax.
Will we get to massacre Germanic heathens?
>>318033180
>>318033228
>>318033230
>148 posts
>35 posters
Is this the most argumentative /v/ thread of all time
>>318033212
>To be honest at this rate neither will be around by the end of the decade anyway
We can hope. GW is bringing back Specialist Games though. So on one hand I want to get hype, on the other I need to mentally prepare myself for the possibility that they just rape my old beloved IPs for a quick buck.
>>318025094
I am expecting and hoping that this is gonna be the new FotS. That is "The Expansion that is better that the main game".
>>318033295
They don't, you have no idea what you're talking about. All Total War games are hardcoded to a certain extent so you can't touch the shit they don't want you to.
>>318033375
Total war is a magnet for shitposters
Ever since Rome 2 all the shitposters have loved to invade every TW thread just to spam their epic memes.
>>318031906
Except they completely can't afford another Rome 2 situation now that steam refunds is a thing
>>318033384
GW core business is on the way out and they are not showing any signs of adapting well to the digital market, so given the companies a good if day they will fuck every IP in every painful way in order to keep the money coming in until enough can retire.
Best prepare your anus I'm afraid
>>318033375
Its a bunch of retards arguing that the game has no modding just because it has no workshop. Even though all the older games could be modded just as easily without it.
Boggles my mind really how stupid they are.
>>318033636
By that logic any game pre shogun 2 was unmoddable
>>318033352
But it's the contrary.
Charlemagne united the francs and the Germanic tribe in one empire.
At his death the empire seceded "in two", giving what we know today Germany and France.
>>318033450
>All Total War games are hardcoded to a certain extent
Yeah and the rest is in the open db where it is easily modifiable.
>>318033625
Not a good day, I meant the companies age. Sorry, tablet posting is never fun
Aren't they supposed to be working Halo Wars 2 and TotalWarhammer or something for fuck sake. Nobody cares about a fucking Mong.
>>318030883
>Empire
Ah maybe you can tell me. Should I ditch regular guns entirely for howitzers or is it a good idea to have some just in case?
Are howitzers even that good?
>>318033702
Is that why only Shogun 2 had a fully moddable map?
>>318033695
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden
I SPILL THE BLOOD OF THE SAXON MEN
>>318025797
>Will not work, like all releases since Rome2, for at least a year
Look, you guys have all the reason to hate CA for rome 2, but there's no reason to lie. Atilla worked from the beginning. Whether it's a good game or not is debatable, but you can't pretend it was filled with bugs like rome 2 at launch.
>>318033680
That's my point. They think because CA said it won't have modding support it means that they'll lock the files or something. It still has open db and all the files available and CA themselves said you can mod it just as easily as the previous games, they just can't put it on the workshop because GW doesn't allow them to officially support mods since its not part of the liscense they bought.
>Tfw i sold all my Dota shit and got all the DLC for Attila during the sale
>>318033843
But acknowledging that Attila was good breaks the shitposting narrative of CA being in some kind of irreversible tailspin of decline.
>>318033843
>trying to be logical
Not going to work. These people are hell bent on being retarded.
>>318033798
No, that's because Shogun 2 had a different AI system based on scripts, from Rome 2 the AI works differently and is tied to the campaign map
>>318033843
Attila is literally Rome 2 in a different setting. There's not much to fuck up.
>>318033843
Yes, is way better to ship a game with mild chicken pox than full blown HIV
>>318033625
>>318033720
The new CEO sounds like he may know what he is doing.
Though he was also responsible for AoS so I don't know.
I do agree that these coming years will be make or break for them.
If they do die I wonder who the IPs will go to. I imagine that Wizards would want to snatch them up.
Hopefully Fantasy Flight are still allowed to do the RPGs though. Though if it does go to Wizards who knows.
At least if someone else gets the IPs we might actually get some decent video games or other media. GW really should have hopped on the anime bandwagon given their target market.
Instead we got Ultramarine and they just game up as usual.
>>318033829
Franks tried to rescue them for their furry cult and they didn't understand.
>>318033954
Then explain why you couldn't mod the map until CA released map tools for it.
>>318033964
>Literally
It's literally not
>>318034076
>same anims
>recycled dialog
>recycled models
>same disgusting UI
totes different game guise pay full price for this piece of shit
>>318025094
Does Attila run better than Rome II? That piece of shit is unplayable on my PC that has never struggled with another game, literally 5 minute loading screens, the campaign map is really sluggish, terrible FPS.
>>318034073
Because there was no third party program to do that?
>>318033964
>people are STILL so butthurt about rome 2 that they try to ignore that atilla is the most innovative total war since empire adding naval battles
completely new horde faction and migration plus a few other new mechanics
maybe they don't work out so well, but at least they did actually add new stuff.
>>318033964
my point is simply if you think the game is shit, and not fun, you can say so, but lying is no good.
>Whether it's a good game or not is debatable, but you can't pretend it was filled with bugs like rome 2 at launch
>>318034131
>If I oversimplify things and call it a piece of shit it makes it so
Oh god my sides, go ask /twg/ if they're the same and watch as they laugh in your face
>>318034139
And why do you think that was so?
>>318034193
>/twg/
oh so I can just ignore your posts then.
>>318034214
Because no one made it?
I feel like you are grasping here and are asking questions because you yourself don't know the answer.
>>318034143
>horde and migrations
...wow... so innovative... never been done... since BI...
Only "new" innovation they added was razing, which is basically sack/exterminate combined. The rest of the shit like family trees and siege escalation were all in previous titles. If anything they're dumbed down because you're limited to 3 ancillaries and your generals no longer gain interesting traits based on your playstyle.
>>318033545
I agree. No one who ever liked and spent money on video games has ever had a reason to voice a complaint. Fuck us all for not wanting to give ever more money, for every less quality and over all fair deal aspect. This thread alone is listed with a hundred rare pepes
>>318034291
And why didn't they make it retard? Maybe it was because it was impossible to do so? There's obviously a demand for it. People who wanted to mod R2's map resorted to colouring the oceans a different colour because that's all they could do.
Shogun 2 and Napoleon were the last TW I played.
>>318034464
barbarian invasion horde factions were just armies without cities, not actual cities on the move, with buildings and being able to recruit troops and so on.
>>318034571
Sorry, I meant Napoopan
>>318034568
Am I arguing with an idiot? You think it's easy to make an editor? You think the third party programs we used for games pre-shogun 2 were made specifically for TW games? Are you seriously this stupid?
>>318034539
>No one who ever liked and spent money on video games has ever had a reason to voice a complaint.
People have every reason to complain about rome 2, but no reason to make up lies about the other games just because they still feel butthurt about rome 2.
People saying shit like it's just as buggy as rome 2, or that it has literally no new things are straight up bullshit, posted only to stir up shit.
>>318034568
Campaign maps in old games were very simple and "grid" based, they didn't require tools because you modified a text file and the game would compile the map from there since it was a pretty simple render.
In newer games that wasn't the case anymore, maps got more complex in their geometry and elements etc. shogun 2 was the only one with map tools but any game before it could have had its map modified, in fact Rome II and Attila also could, but because the AI works differently in Rome II and Attila changing the map achieves nothing.
For example the guys working on the LOTR mod for Attila already confirmed they can change the size and appearance of the Attila map and have posted what they are going to do, they can't change the settlement positions because the AI logic is tied to it, that's why.
>>318034638
PFM was made specifically for ETW and was compatible with future total war titles. The map. It's not actually possible to freely mod the map for warscape titles without official mapping tools. This is a well known fact within the community.
>>318034938
PFM is a simple file editor...
>>318035028
>>318034638
>do you think it's simple to make an editor
So yes? That's exactly my point.
>>318035093
That's a false comparison, obviously editing a text file and saving it in a format recognized by the game and making an editor to edit 3d enviorments is a completely different matter.
PFM is no Blender.
>>318032497
>stupidly strong village watchtowers that can easily take out half of a heavily armored unit with shields in the time it takes to cap them
you are supposed to use onagers or units that have the raider/explorer effect, they take it down in seconds (for romans its the exploratores, for barbarians its most of the skirmish/light infantry
>dumber than usual campaign AI that likes to chase you, leaving their settlements undefended for an easy sack
this is a fair point, the AI prioritises hordes too much, and will chase them across the map, the only game that didnt have such problems was shogun but thats because you couldnt enter land without declaring war
>retarded tech system that forcibly replaces earlier units with less useful and more expensive ones (looking at you, germanic mounted brigands, you worthless faggots)
mostly a fair point, I'd argue that units going obsolete makes sense, but it really should be balanced better, (can be modded away btw)
>battles still easily end in less than ten minutes and missiles are still ridiculously stronk unless you're using germanic archers
I find the battles generally longer than other warscape-engine games, also the strenght of missiles depends on the factions, romans are practically immune to missile fire and late game barbars are as well, the ones with large shields, like the saxon elite infantry
>>318033156
>Cavalry units roflstomp any infantry unit thats not in Shield Wall or Pike formation.
still better than previous games, M2 was cavalry the game, even Napoopan had cuirasiers which would slaughter infantry despite the squares
>Huns spawning a doomstack every other turn
this can be tiring though it ends after you kill attila, they just wanted huns to feel like a boss-thingie
>Hunstack spawn with lazer bombing Large Onagers.
these only appear after attila is born, and again they are meant to make huns a bigger thread since without those onagers cavalry-based faction wouldnt be able to take any settlements
>>318035240
>you can't enter land without declaring war
Which made sense, that's the entire reason why WW1 started. Why the fuck they reverted back to the old system is beyond me.
>>318033786
honestly? even though it would normally make sense to have regular cannons too since their range is a bit longer, the AI is so bad, that you can likely get away with just howitzers, I still use a few regular guns here and there but thats because I want ot have a varied army
>>318034464
BI hordes are nothing like Attila hordes, hordes in attila actually build shit and are like moving settlements not just armies with no cities
and the family tree is more complex too due to the way it works with inner politics system, you can assasinate, embezzle funds, spread foul rumours, adopt and marry/divorce at will not just through random events, and the fact that you can have more then 4 children is already a big improvement
>>318035323
Because the time of Attila is called the migration period and there were millions of germans immigrating in Roman territory
>>318035435
You think empires gave roaming warbands free passage in their borders?
>>318035586
That's what happened after Adrianople
>>318035586
they actually kinda did, not because they wanted to, but because they couldnt stop it, some would make the foederati agreements and stay guarding the borders, but a lot would just roam around, I mean come on, romans didnt even put up much of a fight for Iberia
I blame the pic related faggot
>>318035586
Is modern day Sweden an empire?
>>318035812
That's a big cock.
>>318035963
Don't talk shit about Roma
>>318035862
It's a caliphate.
>>318035812
They say sociopaths only prove affection towards animals
>>318035963
u u u u
>>318035862
>le sweden meme
Why do you faggots keep shitting on sweden when germany takes in WAY more immigrants?
>>318034267
They actually play Total War games.
Total War threads on /v/ are so shit. They are filled with outdated information and opinions. I have even seen some posters who don't even know attila exists. These threads are just filled with people who have only played a few total war games.
>>318036430
All they do is shitpost and shill. Go back there if you love it so much.
>>318036430
/v/ totalwar is just 'I haven't had fun playing games since Medieval 2 in 2006' yet they're somehow in all of these threads within minutes to let everyone know that.
>>318036708
And the fact they reuse outdated or false info all the time is a pretty telling story that they don't even play what they are criticizing but just parrot what they heard
