I just finished pic related. Damn nice game, easy but beautiful, and filled with secrets everywhere. Now, I know there's some kind or upside down castle or something so, how do I access it? Because I don't believe the 'kill Richter' ending is the good one.
How is the PSP remake of Dracula X?
>>344533720
>Well, the first thing you need to do is acquire the Gold and SIlver rings. The Silver Ring can be found in the upper-west portion of the Chapel area. You will need the Spike Breaker armor in order to reach the end where Maria will enquire about your findings and leave you the Silver Ring. The Gold Ring can be located after you kill the Succubus. You'll know you're there because the normal Save room "ball-thingy" will be purple instead of brown. She's easy, so don't fret. After getting both rings, head to the center area with all the clocks(The path that leads upwards to Olrox's Quarters and the Colliseum) and put them both on. The path below you will open up, and you'll head downwards and speak to Maria. She'll give you an item called "Holy Glasses". Where these when you fight Richter and you'll see a green orb above his head.
>>344533720
Dracula x is ok, but honestly not on the level of SoTN
Play aria of sorrow, it's literally portable SoTN on GBA
>>344533720
Don't make me play it again
>smack the wall
>secret
>get the item that enables you to reach previously unattainable items
>secret
>>344533720
Dracula X I enjoyed although its really a remake of Rondo of Blood, not Dracula X; which was a modified version of Rondo to make work on SNES. I liked Rondo better.
But the game as a whole is awesome, it includes original Rondo and SOTN as secondary unlocks. Probably my favorite PSP game.
>>344533826
Good, I already have the Gold Ring, so I'll just have to find the Silver one.
>>344533949
Yeah, I played Aria last year and as I was playing SotN I couldn't stop thinking "it's the same thing". I think I like Symphony more though, the colors are darker and fit better with the tone of the game.
Make way for the objective list.I haven't played half of these though.
>>344536892
Where is Ecclesia?
>>344537249
Not really a Metroidvania. And there's no shit-tier anyway.
>>344535160
>I PLAYED 2 HOURS OF A CASTLEVANIA GAME GUY
>WOW IT MUST ALWAYS BE LIKE THIS!!!!!!
>>344536892
Where is Wonder Boy III? It's much better than Super Metroid.
>>344535329
Wasn't the Snes one called Vampire's Kiss?
>>344537759
It's on my list of things to add.
>>344533720
Can this count?
>>344538812
BB is the most Metroidvania-ey of the Souls gamesand also the bestbut they're all good as 3D Metroidvanias.
>>344539075
Maybe in setting, but in terms of progression and map design I'd say Dark Souls is far closerand the better game.
>no one ever wants to talk about best Castlevania
>>344537759
Only in Europe. It was called Castlevania Dracula X in the US and Akumajou Dracula XX in Japan.
Why don't they make Castlevanias like the old ones anymore?`
And that's not me baiting for nostalgia either, I am curious as to why the 2D-sidescrolling-action-RPG-in-a-big-castle thing isn't still being done.
Did Lords of Shadow sell crazy well?
>>344539562
I thought Konami wanted to get out of games completely and make pachinko shit
>>344539191
Hmmm, I don't know. It's not like SoTN has amazing level design, and it also has teleport rooms to go from general zone to zone.
While DaS1 doesn't have teleportation at the beggining, and has some neat world design (but worse level design), BB has the most optional zones of any Souls game, relative to % of mandatory zones. The chalice dungeons are reminiscent of SoTN since they are very simplistic in level design and are focused on the combat encounters, but this is more of an aside.
But above all that the setting isn't something that can be easily ignored. Sure it's technically only a visual thing and doesn't affect gameplay but it truly adds up to a 3D Castlevania feel, the best one there ever was (not that being better than the shit N64's castlevanias or the reboot is saying anything)It's also the only Souls where you can start with a whip, and it's actually viable, unlike the Dark series
>>344540072
They did, but I don't quite get why no other company has tried to replicate this formula, you know?
Ah well, let's see how Bloodstained turns out.
Got Dawn of sorrow a while ago, first metroidvania. Pretty dam good. On Abbadon now but haven't played in a few days. Also not sure if I wanna get the ring that requires all the souls or use boss souls for weapon upgrades and get the ring on ng+
>>344540335
I played the demo and it's safe to say that this won't end up like another Mighty No 9 debacle.
>>344536892
Move Strider a tier up and Kirby one down and it's acceptable. Also how's that Shaman King game?
>>344540473
DoS is amazing. The sequel's a little mediocre, but the first one ends on a very clear note.
Be sure to not get fooled into thinking the game is over before it is.
When you're done with it, if you complete or not, check out Symphony of the Night. Not only will you learn where most of the DoS concepts came from, but you'll also probably really enjoy the game.
>>344539372
Story and setting wise it stands pretty much by itself. It doesn't feel connected to any of the other games. Not saying that's bad. Circle is its own thing. It's a very good gba launch title.
>>344540473
Oh, shit, forget >>344540621. I mixed DoS with AoS.
DoS is mediocre. Play AoS instead.
As in right now. Drop it and play AoS.
>>344540682
I kinda' felt like CoM needed to be it's own thing. Every now and then we need things like that.
Honestly though, Castelvania has never focused much on the overarching plotline anyway.
![CmeB-VrUsAQQR0c[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/otZsII0.jpg "CmeB-VrUsAQQR0c[1].jpg")
>Iga and From Software team up to make a 3D Bloodstained taking elements of Souls, Metroidvania, clasic vania
>>344540473
Use boss souls for weapon upgrades first, maybe the weapon variety will ease the tedium of farming for souls. The ring is broken as fuck but when you get it there's nothing else to do, so you should play the other games instead if you get bored
>>344540621
DoS is the sequel, that's the one he's playing.
>>344540594
I haven't played Shaman King yet, unfortunately. The placement games I haven't played are based off of suggestions and polls on /v/. I probably will move Strider up, I found it pretty boring, but it's better than the other stuff in Meh Tier.
>>344540621
Yeah SOTN looks cool, don't have anything to play it on though. Probably could run it on an emulator
I have the weirdest relationship with Castlevania.
I've played every Metroidvania in the series, and loved all of them to death in their own way, but I cannot fucking stand the Souls games.
What's wrong with me? Everyone, even on /v/ keeps telling me that Souls would be a natural fit for someone who likes Castelvania, but I've never felt it. Not once.
>>344540859
Yeah I was thinking that after how long it took me to get the valkyrie soul for an upgrade i got earlier
>>344540841
I think the only games that are direct sequels connected to each other are:
>1 --> 2
>Rondo --> Symphony --> Aria --> Dawn
Most of the rest are stand alone games, or they only make vague connectiosn to other games.
>>344536097
The original GBA had a dark screen so many games used a bright and colorful palette to compensate. Circle of the Moon looked more like SotN and people complained they couldn't see shit.
>>344540974
What don't you like about them?
>>344540974
Because the only similar thing Souls and Castlevania have are the aesthetics and the interconnected map. All the mobility upgrades are not there, the gameplay is not even close
>>344536892
I thought that Shantae was supposed to be good? Everything else seems pretty spot on from what I played at least.
>>344540974
Souls games are not for everyone. There is nothing wrong with not liking them, I love Metroidvanias but I didn't enjoy DaS and playing after Anor Londo felt kinda like a chore.
>>344540974
Try Classicvania, where enemy positioning matters.
Souls is all about positioning. The Metroidvania series is more about enemies placed so as to kill them quickly for a less frustrating grind.
>>344536892
>DoS above PoR
>>344541086
I like exploring, and customizing, and bosses. Now I know that sounds like Souls in a nutshell, but there's one aspect I think is missing.
No matter if it was Alucard, Soma or even what's-her-name in OoE, the protagonists always felt very responsive to play.
I don't get that from Souls. I know it's suppose to make you feel the weapon's weight or something, but I could never get into it. Maybe that was my problem all along..?
>>344539372
Maybe because it's non-cannon? I don't know, I played the hell out of it back in the day.
>>344541043
>The original GBA had a dark screen so many games used a bright and colorful palette to compensate
This, that's why HoD had one of the worst palettes ever seen. They went overboard after people complained in CotM and the sound quality suffered for it.
Glad they nailed it in AoS
>>344541151
I've only played Pirate's Curse, but it was really mediocre. I wouldn't put it higher that Good Tier. Either the others are better or /v/ just likes it because of the waifus.
>>344536892
>Fusion in good tier when the list is ranking Metroidvanias and Fusion is linear as fuck.
>Risky's Revenge in the same tier as Shantae (GBC) and Pirates Curse when Risky's Revenge is well below "Meh" and sitting firmly in the "Shit" category.
Fix that list dude.
It's got a whopping two (2) blunders in it.
>>344541191
I might do that. I've heard that 2 is a good place to start. And I totally agree with the enemy placement thing. A skeleton standing on a ledge facing some stairs or flat ground is a totally different fight.
>>344536892
>SotN that high
>OG Metroid not in shit-tier
Horrible list desu.
>>344540882
I would also move Valdis Story a tier up, but that one's a bit more divissive
>>344541373
I had problems with VS. I don't remember what those problems are, but I had them.
>>344541228
Try Bloodborne.
>>344541228
>No matter if it was Alucard, Soma or even what's-her-name in OoE, the protagonists always felt very responsive to play.
>I don't get that from Souls. I know it's suppose to make you feel the weapon's weight or something, but I could never get into it. Maybe that was my problem all along..?
use light weapons, light armor, fast roll and such.
>>344541469
Yeah maybe I've just been playing it wrong. I'll try again one day and go for a light-stabby build. Maybe that'll do it.
>>344541436
I did. Same problem.
>>344541434
When did you play it? It got updated a year or two after release adding new characters, enemies, bosses and arena along with some balance changes and other stuff. Double jump isn't tied to a magic slot anymore for example
>>344541589
Oh, really? Might put it back on the backlog then. I played on release (starting to think that was a bad idea) and remember the double-jump being a chore.
>>344541542
Souls games still go for a semi-realistic attack speeds. Castlevania games are more video-gamey.
>>344541542
>I did. Same problem.
I don't know what the issue is then, all the Souls games are actually quite precise and responsive in their controls. They actually feel better to play than Castlevania to me.
>>344541228
Did you play the two PS2 Castlevanias? They're almost good. They just don't know how to do it. They share quite a bit of similarities with the Souls games, which get the combat a bit better.
>>344533720
Musicanon here. I've been wanting to revive the castlevania series for a long time. Anyone wants to make afangameor something along the lines?
>>344541000
PoR is kind of tied to Bloodlines, though.
>>344541749
Maybe it's just a matter of taste then. I think >>344541728 might be in on it.
When I press BUTTON I want my sword to swing out and be back in it's sheath in a heartbeat for the next strike.
And Souls never quite scratched that itch for me.
>>344541918
>fan game
Total waste of time. Why half ass it? Just go for a fully new game. You could then even profit off of it if it's good. If it's not, it can be a learning experience and you can release it for free.
>>344536892
>Dust that low
kys desu
>>344541845
>PS2 Castlevania
I never did try the PS2 games, no. I heard some bad stuff and just never tried them I guess. Where would I start if I managed to get PCSX2 to corporate?
>>344536892
>Ecclesia is """shit""" tier so it's not included
Fuck you anon Ecclesia was leagues better than portrait of ruin or harmony of dissonance, it was also my favorite level 1 run Castlevania game.
>>344542021
That's the something along the lines I meant.
I'd love to work on that.
>>344542038
Dust was good for music, combat and RPG elements.
Pretty mediocre for everything else.
>>344542104
>Ecclesiafags
>>344542104
The only thing really wrong with OoE was the glyph system. The weaknesses and strengths of each enemy being tied to weapons you may or may not like made you often forced to play ways you didn't enjoy.
>>344541191
It's less about the grind and more about helping establish a good pace for the player, a way to make all the backtracking and exploration feel less like a chore. It's an important thing to consider in a game like these since if you don't you end up with shit like Mirror of Fate, which stops you constantly to clear rooms of damage sponges and enemies that abuse guarding before letting you move on. It makes the whole game feel tedious and slow.
>>344542212
>PoRfags
These are the actual worst, let's not lie.
>>344542260
Yeah, the weapon glyphs were a huge disappointment compared to the weapon variety in the other games. Damn shame.
>>344542260
Glyphs weren't unique enough was the issue
>the rapier, scythe, and sword had the same animations and just altered speed
>even glyph unions were basically just two handed regular glyph animations
I liked the dark and light glyph Union though.
>>344540335
Fuck I forget the name but there was some game recently that intentionally mimicked a lot of shit from NES castlevanias
>>344542509
>>344542260
>>344542104
>>344536892
Ecclessia was made for 500,000 dollars, which is half of what the other ones cost. Be glad the game was even made at all. Konami cut their budget drastically.
![ss_cc0a3003ce9da0368e9d7a6f1ffcff23bb953741.1920x1080-thumb-480x269-17408[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/B5czwJ8.jpg "ss_cc0a3003ce9da0368e9d7a6f1ffcff23bb953741.1920x1080-thumb-480x269-17408[1].jpg")
>>344542529
Odallus?
>Castlevania thread
>while I'm playing Castelvania
Neat.
How do I beat this fucker though? He's not really growing on me.
>virtually no space to dodge anything
>touching him does 100+ damage
>his attacks can do up to 300 damage
>goes berserk at 50%
Any advise to beating this cunt?
>>344542457
>These are the actual worst
I never implying they were the worst, but they're definitely up there. And I'd argue they're the worst Metroidvanina fans.
The top three worst CV fanbases are:
1) SCV4fags
2) RoBfags
3) OoEfags
>>344542618
Yeah that was it
I haven't played it but it looks decent
>>344542724
never implied*
>>344542725
I've only played the first level, but it seems fun.
>>344542725
It is. It's a little short, but at least it doesn't overstay it's welcome.
You'll enjoy playing an old-style Castlevania, but you'll also remember why these games aren't made anymore.
>>344542687
Go in with a ton of hearts and go nuts with Glyph Fusion. If you get the Nitesco glyph from the Beam Skeletons and fuse it with something else (either a weapon or light glyph, IIRC), it fucking wrecks almost everything in the game. You can use it to kill Dracula without running out of hearts, IIRC.
>>344542618
Ugly game.
>>344543005
I'll try that. And I do have the beam-thing. I'll save it for 50% when he goes nuts though.
I've thought some bosses were better than others in this game so far, but this is probably the cheapest one.
>>344542296
Then again Mirror of Fate manages to also translate the modern industry's obsession with wall climbing and cinematic QTE bullshit into a 2D game, so even the platforming moves at a snail's pace.
>>344542687
You can buy a ring that gives you very high resistance to shadow/dark damage or something. I died to him 20 times, bought the ring, the just bushaed his head in without dodging. Satisfying.
>>344542618
I want to play that, but I haven't beat Oniken yet. 2hard
Can we all agree that Shanoa is the best Castlewaifu?
>>344543559
Yoko
>>344543559
Shanoa is not a waifu.
>>344536892
I'm still shocked by how well Kirby and the Amazing Mirror turned out. They had no business making a Metroidvania and it ended up being one of the best I've ever played, although being a Kirby fan gives me a bias there.
>>344543410
>>344543005
Got him! Thanks Anons.
>>344536892
>La Mulana
>Not Cave Story
When this stupid list will be corrected?
>>344543901
Not a metroidvania, you turd.
This looks good, but it's been in development hell for quite a while now.
Might be vaporware.
>>344533720
This is a good 3D Metroidvania with lots of twisted supernatural stuff in it.
>>344542724
I'd put SotNfags above RoBfags.
>>344540852
Dark Souls is already 3D Castlevania
>>344543936
Tell me what a fucking metroidvania is and why Cave Story isn't one, you little piece of shit.
>>344540137
The whips in Dark Souls 2 and 3 are actually viable, although they're still far from great weapons. The whip in Bloodborne is, by far, the strongest and most useful out of all the games' whips in the series. It is funny how it took another company and a different franchise to finally make a good 3D Castlevania.
>>344543936
nice meme
>>344544047
Niggerman was ahead of it's time. I remember enjoying it a lot, despite it trying for more of a urban-gothic setting over a class-gothic like Castlevania.
>>344544082
It needs to be open world and have some degree of nonlinearity and interconnectedness to its map design.
>>344543208
That game is fucking horrible, it's like Mercury Steam have never played a 2D game.
>>344533720
>How is the PSP remake of Dracula X?
Heh, I'm playing it right now and it's awesome
Not that I'm a castlevania connoisseur, I've only ever finished castlevania 4
>>344543936
hahahaha but Monster Tale is a Metroidvania, right?
Bravo.
>>344540335
same reason no company has tried to replicate megaman.
Little money in it, lots of fan games
>>344542687
The answer to any boss is to equip Death Ring + Dominus Agony + Light/Sword glyph union spam
>>344543842
Good job. Did the Nitesco help?
>>344543901
>>344544082
Yeah, nah. La-Mulana is the superior Metroidvania of the two. Cave Story is good though and ought to be on the list.
>>344544203
>Fusion
>Open World
>Non-linear
Explain why is it in the list then.
>>344544459
It really did. I am awful at remembering what name is what attack though, so I had to google it. The fact that it's a holy-magic attack is really going to be helpful.
That nice glyph union with with Nitesco really did wonders on shortening the amount of time I had to spend with him in phase two.
Great advice, deeply appreciated Anon.
>>344544464
Fusion is open and at least has some degree of backtracking. It's sort of there by default due to being a Metroid game anyway.
>>344544458
Not every boss. Doesn't work well for the crab or Wallman...if Wallman even counts as a boss, I suppose.
>>344541228
souls games have very delayed controls. it's because there's almost no animation canceling, and there's a fuckton of cuing. if you know this ahead of time, you can plan your movements a little more carefully than simply mashing the attack button and hoping the enemy dies.
if all else fails, play bloodborne. it's a lot faster paced and more true to the castlevania aesthetic.
>>344544624
You're welcome, good sir. Glad to actually be of help for once, it hardly ever seems to happen these days.
>>344544145
It also only took a single dagger weapon in BB to stampede over the dozens of daggers in the Dark games which are mostly ignored. In DaS3 I only used one for Quickstep in swamp levels
When I think of the worst weapons in BB I realise they are all still viable but not to my tastes, while in Dark games they truly aren't viable or fun to use, sometimes entire weapon classes. Quite astounding they didn't fix that in DaS3.
>>344544636
Crab was broken as fuck though. You could crouch in the bottom-left corner and he would NEVER be able to touch you.
Wallman felt like a meme-boss, but at least i kinda' made sense. And there was a visceral fun to killing him the way you did.
>>344544781
"Delayed controls" is different from action queuing, the basic controls are actually quite responsive.
>>344540137
>>344544145
The pimp cane is good because it's not only a whip though.
>>344544862
oh shit
love the weapon variety in bloodborne
i like the idea of mastering 1 or 2 weapons, it makes the combat more deep than having to have 3 weapons juts to match the attack variety of bloodborne
those BoM are sick
>>344544869
>You could crouch in the bottom-left corner and he would NEVER be able to touch you.
Really? I remember there being certain points where his leg would move up slightly and brush Shanoa's hitbox, which made getting the medal a real pain in the ass. Maybe I was in the wrong spot...
>>344544228
I'm pretty sure they hadn't considering you had shit like fall damage and that godawful, borderline useless map.
>>344545004
Fair enough. Although I just want to give it extra points for that, even if it's cheating
>>344545218
Nah, every time he moved up he gave you 4 possible places to stand.
By standing as close to the left wall as possible at the bottom-left platform, you could use your hammer (the longest ranged weapon you have at that point in the game) to hit him endlessly while he was completely powerless to hit you back.
The only time he could hurt you was when he climbed.
>>344539075
Dark souls is more like a metroidvania than BB in terms of exploration, but BB does have a closer setting and a more stylish whip.
>>344536892
>Metroid 2 in Good
>Strider in Meh
Aside from that, it's pretty decent.
I liked Shadow Complex.
It was a little on the easy side, but I kinda' felt that was because it wasn't designed for M+KB.
>>344541259
IGA actually reinstated CotM as canon before getting dragged out of Castlevania.
>>344539562
The wii castlevania was like that, rebirth.
>>344537343
>Ecclesia
>shit-tier
Someone got their shit rekt by the game.
>>344546186
I have no idea why CotM needed to be retconned in the first place. It takes place between SotN and the actual Bram Stoker event when there weren't any Belmonts to fight Dracula around anyway.
>>344546630
I don't think Bram Stoker's novel exists in the Castlevania universe.
>>344546462
Does Re-Birth fit into canon? Not that it really matters, just curious.
>>344546707
It does, Bloodlines is a direct sequel. You play as Quincy Morris's son and everything.
>>344546707
The novel doesn't, but the corresponding events of the novel did happen. In the original, non-LoS timeline anyway.
Bloodlines (and by extention PoR) references the event directly, and the Castlevania Morris family is decended from the actual Quincy Morris from the Bram Stoker novel.
>>344533720
Dracula X Chronicles > Rondo > Dracula X
Debate me
>>344546718
uhh maybe? It says it's part of the main series, and iga's name is there.
My two vaforite castlvania games are bloodlines on sega and the wiiware rebith game.
Is that odd?
>>344548670
Sprites > shitty 3D
>>344539372
Had a surprisingly good soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I5mUeRKOhg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W03tgtNtTvk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlQeuBm2aIY
Axiom Verge was fun to play, but the story was ultimately unsatisfying. Like, I decypher all of these cryptic notes written in gibberish, and find or imagine all sorts of hints that the giant faces are lying and there's more going on than they admit, and in the end, it all comes to nothing. It's like Symphony of the Night if you never visit the inverted castle.
>I am so tired of her schemes.
Like, who is "she"? One of the Rusalka? Another dimension-hopping earthling? A Sudran indegene? Is this even a riddle, or just a red herring?
>>344550449
Gameplay > grafix
>thread ruined by soulsfags who think their shit pile is remotely good
every time
>>344551657
>a little bit of talk = thread ruined
You know what ruins threads, anon? Baseless negativity.
>>344551828
>baseless negativity
where do you think you are, exactly?
>>344551657
Hey, anon.LoS is the best 3d metroidvania.
>>344551898
Supposedly an imageboard for people that love games.
>>344552039
>Supposedly an imageboard for people that love games.
>>>/vg/
>>344543132
I don't think I've seen an "ugly" 8 bit game.
It's all art at that point of low resolution.
![[Sephirotic] Evangelion - 12 [MULTI][BD 1080p 8bits 5.1 AAC][D31DD6E2].mkv_snapshot_15.32_[2016.05.27_08.23.18].png](https://i.imgur.com/CHHBMHT.jpg "[Sephirotic] Evangelion - 12 [MULTI][BD 1080p 8bits 5.1 AAC][D31DD6E2].mkv_snapshot_15.32_[2016.05.27_08.23.18].png")
>>344542104
>Ecclesia was leagues better than portrait of ruin
>>344543842
Just be careful of the next boss
>>344553873
Eligor was a very good boss.
>My thread is still alive.
That's nice. I'm playing Metroid Prime 1 in Dolphin and it's interesting to finally know where the new Castlevanias come from (even if MP is not the original). I haven't finished it yet but it feels like it has less backtracking than metroidvanias; also every environment is different. Going through more and more castle rooms can get repetitive.
>>344552206
Tell me Action 52 isn't ugly.
>>344554148
I hope you're playing the wii collection and using mouse+kb controls with the emulated wiimote
How is Environment Station Alpha?
>>344554576
Nope. GC and using my PS2 pad with a USB adapter. It's not that bad.
Why did devs drop the 2D meme?
>>344555125
because you type like a faggot
>>344544047
The only thing I know about this is that Acclaim wanted to advertise it on actual tombstones.
>>344551167
My only real complaint was the lack of room variety. I loved the aesthetic and the items you get in the game.
>>344550321
yes
>>344554576
I heard the trilogy didn't work in Dolphin. Is it hard to set up?
>>344554148
Play Super Metroid
Can't fucking wait for Bloodstained
>>344558216
el oh el
>>344558185
it works fine now
I didn't for years but it does now
>>344536892
>Dawn of Sorrow higher than PoR or OoE
>>344559054
?????????
>>344560894
>trusting kickstarter after conman
>>344533720
Are metroidvanias like SOTN considered "jrpgs"? After all, you have levels and weapons and stuff.
>>344563723
Not really, just games with RPG mechanics. You can't really make any real customization in terms of stats or story progression...then again there are games like Ys where the same kind applies, but are still RPGs regardless.
Eh, it's a grey area.
