Holy fuck, is this game supposed to hurt to play?
>the gameplay
>the soundtrack
>those goddamn aerial missions you have to finish in like three minutes to get the weapon
>>343072171
>the soundtrack
What about it? It's brilliant and very well made. It's one of the best part of DOD1.
>those goddamn aerial missions you have to finish in like three minutes to get the weapon
I'm pretty sure you can revisit them later with stronger dragon. And aerial combat is more fun than ground combat and gives you some space to git gud.
>the gameplay
It's mind-numbing, but functional. I'm not trying to defend it. After some time, when the characters grew on me I wanted to finish the ground sections asap to hear more of the story.
yeah it's pretty painful to play but you're dumb as hell if you don't like the soundtrack
>>343074405
I like the soundtrack but it's very repetitive in the levels
>>343074405
>>343074516
>defending the soundtrack
Niggers, I have played up to chapter three and all the tracks are like three second fucking loops. The only good track I've heard so far was Growing Wings in that spoilery as fuck second opening.
I told you already, go play Nier.
>>343074550
Sure, 3-4 minute track looping for 20-40 minute can be tiresome, especially Dragengard 1 soundtrack. At least it has different tracks for each level, with some kind of theme for each chapter.
>is this game supposed to hurt to play?
If you aren't suffering, Yoko Taro didn't do his job.
How far are you into it? I almost all feels worth it once you get all of the endings. Also the soundtrack is pretty good.
>>343074709
>Mission Start
>Any of the flight music
>Entirety of Chapter 12's tracks
>bad
Wouldn't it be sweet if Automata is a huge success and we get Drakengard 4 and Cry On?
>>343076317
>I have played up to chapter three
What do you think, my dude?
>>343072171
Careful OP, Drakengard is loved by a niche audience and if you criticize it, you'll be labeled a shitposter.
>>343077032
Well play a bit more, it's definitely not for everybody but you can crack out the first ending in an hour or two I'm sure.
>>343072171
>Holy fuck, is this game supposed to hurt to play?
Yes.
The entire game is deliberately designed to be agony.
Also if you think you hate the soundtrack now, wait until you have to fight it, because the ost is literally the final boss.
>>343072171
I brought it about a week ago and I've played the 3rd and nier and this one feels like even a bigger slog than 3 and i only just got the elf chick
>>343076715
I just want a Drakengard 1 remake.
I want muh Caim. He deserves a better sendoff than fucking Drakengard 2, even if he somehow made that game good whenever he was on screen.
>>343072171
Welcome to a Yoko Taro game!
Seriously though the gameplay is shit but the story is a wild fucking ride beyond belief. If you can tough it out you'll be rewarded with a unique experience.
Beware! People who play Yoko Taro games have bad shit happen to them right after. My great aunt died but couldn't attend her funeral cause moving, friend died of a seizure, my mother died in surgery, sister has a incurable disease. Yoko Taro games exists to bring misery
>>343077378
It's true. After I got all the endings in one night I woke up the next morning.
>>343077343There is no Drakengard 2
How about an HD remake of 1 and Taro directs a re-imagining of 2. Then Cry On is revived and also directed by Taro.
In a perfect world...
>>343077691
Is Drakengard 2 really that bad? I only played a bit of it, but it definitely felt better to play than the first game.
>>343077662
>Not waking up in the afternoon or evening.
You poor sonovabitch.
>>343072171
I wanted to get into the series personally, but after like 3 hours into that game I just couldn't do it. I don't know what it is about that game, but it fit the definition of "mind-numbing" more accurately than any other game I've been interested in playing.
>>343077691
HD remake of 1 with an epilogue to Ending A where you play as Caim during Drakengard 2 and go on a revenge-driven murder spree which leaves no survivors.And an epilogue to Ending E where you play as Red Eye Caim and go on a revenge-driven murder spree which leaves no survivors.
>>343077865
Gameplay is better but Yoko Taro didn't work on it so it's generic anime bullshit story.
>>343077865
The plot's sort of a joke and almost no part of it is likeable.
Caim is spectacular, however, and his appearances in it are great. Especially when a certain character re-encounters our favorite mass-murdering psychopath again.
>>343077865
Speak not the Drakengard 2,
Draw not the Drakengard 2,
Write not the Drakengard 2,
Sculpt not the Drakengard 2,
Sing not the Drakengard 2,
Call not the Drakengard 2's name.
Gameplay is better. Story is not. Characters are not. Music is not.
>>343076317
>I almost all feels worth it
this is a good assessment of all of Yoko Taro's output.
Emphasis on
>almost
>>343077865
Gameplay is a bit better. Story and characters are just written in generic JRPG fashion. You keep expecting Nowe to suffer but it never happens.
>>343078118
>>343078161
>>343078173
>>343078468
Well, at least the gameplay will be a bit more bearable. So, where does the story of the first game pick up, because I just finished chapter three and it seems kinda generic right now. I know shit gets crazy somewhere later on.
>>343079121
Have you met the pedophile who was found fucking a corpse yet?
>>343079121
>>343079221
Or the crazy elf chick who eats children?
>>343079121
Shit gets real from midway through Chapter 3 onwards
>>343079221
>fucking a corpse
Nigga, what? I have Leonard in my party if that's who you're talking about.
>>343079221
How's he supposed to know that Leonard only survived the death of his underage 'brothers' because he was off in the woods diddling one of them.
>>343079437
In the Jap version, it's implied that even though the kid he was off diddling (whilst the rest of the kids in his cabin died in a fire) was dead, he didn't stop.
>>343078173
You seem like a huge faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kri6-NTla_M
>No caim, we cannot!
>>343079663
Oh good, I trust this man. Can't wait to get that kid in my party.
What is a world without Yoko Taro?
>>343074709
This track plays on loop in the elevators of my personal hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et8Rw01LvzI
>>343080717
>no using drakengard ost as driving music
>>343080717
This track will haunt my nightmares for the rest of my fucking life.
>those hours upon hours upon hours of grinding in the castle environs
>killing all 800 soldiers
>over
>and over
>and over
>>343079950
Here's your (you).
>>343072171
Yes. Enjoy your rhythm game and salt AIDS in the real world
what the fuck am i watching
>>343082583
They're just entertaining themselves for a bit, as two armies fight and slaughter each other just outside the room. I see nothing wrong with that.
>>343082583
The birth of a cuck
>>343080157
Leonard's a bro
I mean sure he fucks kids but he feels bad about it at least
>>343083049
>fucks a kid's corpse
>at least he feels bad about it
>>343083049
>but he feels bad about it at least
Case over, everyone go home.
>>343083558
It's not like the corpse was particularly worried about it at the time
>tfw Leonard was still up to his old tricks in Drakengard 2
At least he got a happy ending.
>>343080717
>"Lord Caim, their reinforcements have arrived, do ours come too?"
>"Lord Caim, they're entering the castle, Please come quickly"
>"What do they seek? Do they want the goddess?"
>those archers
>music on loop
>leveling up weapons that take over 400 years to swing once
No one suffers more in Drakengard than players grinding in chapter 1.
>>343085172
>trying to grind kills for the Tyrant's Hammer
>every swing takes a year and often gets interrupted by an enemy's attack
>every hit sends the enemy flying so combos are impossible
>>343080653
>A world without this boss as fuck music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nepIkbum2E8
A sad world indeed
>>343085657
God I hated those types of weapons.
>>343079221
>>343079437
>>343079509
>>343079663
What are you lot talking about?
Leonard wasnt fucking anyone he was off in there jacking off.
>>343086112
Except there's dialogue with him talkin' to SOMEONE that sure as fuck ain't the little shit he made a pact with.
>I'll never get the hours I spent playing Drakengard 1&2 back
>For some reason I still felt compelled to order the 3rd game
Please tell me it's better
>>343086225
Hope you like sub-15 frames.
>>343086225
My favorite characters are in it, and it's definitely got the best soundtrack of the Drakengard games (But NieR of course is leagues beyond it) alongside a legitimately funny scenario where the most fucked up person (the protagonist) is the only morally sound one.
>>343086225
Y-y-yes?
>>343074550
That's partially the point.
>>343086225
you get to be a hot slut murdering your sisters who also happen to be hot sluts. so there is that.
>>343086225
Ground combat is somewhat better, but it has frame rate issues.
Get ready for lots of sex jokes.
>>343072171
Yes OP. It's not a good game. It's just highly praised for it's story and it leads into other Taro games.
>>343086459
Four is pure, pure!
There really should be a remake of Drakengard 1. Taro has gone on record that he was never satisfied with the final product because they had no fucking clue how to make the gameplay good back then.
The thing about Drakengard is it's designed to go against conventions. It's not meant to be a story with a triumphant hero that's fun to play. It's a grindy bloody affair where you're a silent psychopath. You should walk away feeling bad and dirty.
>>343086207
He is talking to himself
>He eventually caves into his pedophilia and masturbates in the forest, causing him to be absent from the Empire's massacre of his family and home (the English version of the game leaves his absence unexplained).
>>343082920
He's not even a cuck, he's just a massive tool.
>>343086593
Taro has expressed interest in it, but he's afraid that fans will be upset because when he says remake, he really means it.
>>343086739
Except the Japanese version references there being a child. The only questionable part is if the kid's alive or not.
>play nier
>know how it ends so don't spend time doing extras
>think it's going to be a walk in a park
>mfw collect all weapons to get true ending
It wasn't even that time consuming or difficult, but I'll admit, I was tempted to head over to YouTube for a few minutes.
I'm playing it now. The game was fairy normal to me besides thechild soldiersthat you have to kill and of course the crazy bitch. But now I'm on the ending 3 path andflying giant babies that shoot lightning out of nowhere. And I also am did the crazy bitch's chapter and the drowning children and shit.This is getting weird.
>>343086895
*I also did
I'm on Seere's chapter now but early on
>>343086752
Literally everyone would love that. He just needs to get OmegaForce to make it.
>>343086639
>It's bad on purpose
I seriously doubt that. They couldn't even properly characterize Caim as a psychopath.
There's that part where they're all whining at him "Show mercy Caim! They're just children Caim!" so he does and is rewarded with them turning into lizard demons and attacking him. Virtually everything he does is justified.
>>343086752
I know, but I'm just saying. People like to say the gameplay was shit on purpose, but it never was. Taro is fucking ashamed of how abysmal the gameplay is.
>>343086752
We have eaten everything the man has produced, i don't get the fear.
>>343086832
Im pretty sure thats in reference to him thinking about kids.
>>343087040
>They couldn't even properly characterize Caim as a psychopath.
Well they do in that as Taro said, ANYONE who kills that many people has to be fucked up in the head to some degree. The children scene was for shock value, but I think people ignore that Caim drowns himself in bodies the whole game.
>>343087082
Well, that was a little while ago. I'm not really sure what he'll do next after Automata.
>>343087231
So do the protagonists of 90% of all action games from the past decade.
>>343087231
The problem is that you literally have no choice but to be a mass murderer, just like in (almost) every other video game ever. My allies can cry out all they want about how wrong killing children is, but the game wont progress until I kill them.
>>343087231
I'm sure that's probably what he was going for, but all it really amounts to is the other characters constantly telling the audience how much of a bad egg Caim is without there really being much going on to reflect it. In Angelus's case it's also massively hypocritical.
>"Do you enjoy killing Caim?"
>"LOL THEY SHALL ALL BURN YOLO"
>>343087040
You think they didn't characterize him properly?
>cut through armies to get to your sister
>sister turns out to have masturbated to you
>she stabs herself in front of him
>three out of four choices involve him going "oh well" and going back to cutting armies
>last choice involves killing his best friend without any second choice as he goes nuts in attempts to revive incestual sister
>incestual sister turns into giant harpy monster with 999999999 clones of herself
>they fuck up his dragon
>kill his friends, presumably everyone else too
>after killing the original harpy monster sister, he walks out and smiles to the fact he'll essentially be fighting and murdering endless quantities of his sister without even looking back at the original laying dead on the floor
>>343072171
I remember this game being damn easy...
>>343087567
Yes but that's the thing, the creators never seem to think about how fucked up that is. A normal person simply can't kill that many people (ignoring push-button warfare which is rather impersonal) without either being a psychopath or completely breaking down.
Caim was always Taro saying "have you ever noticed how fucked up you'd have to end up to be an action game hero?"
>>343087739
This has nothing to do with player agency. You're just seeing it as an objective being you are you, you're not Caim, and Caim is enjoying this.
>>343087830
>In Angelus's case it's also massively hypocritical.
Angelus hates humans and more importantly she isn't one.
>>343087830
Dont talk shit about my dragonfu
>>343072171
>the soundtrack
shut the fuck up the soundtrack is legitimately great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gp9mUz2TN4&index=1&list=PLwUkom3NYb-NNbiHSzSJ9TBzx8sWaKadD
>>343072171
Eh, the aerial Furiae (or whatever she was called) boss fight was fun. Which is why it felt kinda out of place.
I hate how I can't find any videos on youtube of Daran Norris's hilariously monotone acting as possessed Manah without it either being from an LP or a video that's a critcial analysis of the game?
>>343088052
Well. Both in Nier and in Drakengard universes she ded, so I doubt shit talking does much either way...
>>343087040
Thats the great thing about Caim
He's a psychopathic bloodthirsty fucknut who slaughters people by the thousands and loves every fucking second of it, but he is also 100% undoubtedly a hero
>>343088429
>or a video that's a critcial analysis of the game
Link? I'm curious.
>>343088543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvh3cKq_QNs
He is wrong in his analysis in that he believed the separate endings were supposed to be steps towards uncovering the truth of Caim's character and not just that, multiple endings. But otherwise it's not a bad video.
>>343088447
Taking in mind what your party is composed of, it makes them all great by the number. I honestly think it's one of the most fucked up and interesting casts, and am sad that they did not get the development they could have due to how Drakengard plays out.
>Pedophile abused by fairy.
>Child murderer elf
>Literally so self absorbed I won't think on any consecuences for my actions ever child
>Crazy bard fabulous knight who literally is just there to get mind raped then killed
>... Priest without hair and a statue that does nothing for a pact beast
>>343088835
For all his child buggery, Leonard is otherwise an unambiguously good person.
>>343086225
Framerate is utter dogshit in some areas. You will be able to take the plot and characters more seriously if you keep reminding yourself that you are playing as a Drakengard version of a Greek god.
>>343089013
He was. His fairy was an asshole through and through, though. So there's that to compensate.
>>343088692
Yeah, if anything they're about uncovering the truth about the nature of the world
>live in a town with like four retro game shops that are pretty nice
>none of them have copies of DoD1 or 2
I really should just buy them off the internet at this point.Computer is a toaster so cant emulate
>>343089520
He's right though in that up until finishing Ending B, the game kinda sanitizes Caim and tries to hide being explicit about his monstrous nature and instead portray him as a hero.
>>343089242That scene in DOD 3 felt so statisfying.
>>343090258
I dont know why i expected some kind of boss battle there
I almost want Taro to make another spin-off game from one of Drakengard's endings. I think Cry-On was supposed to take place after C or D.
I think it'd be interesting to see how people deal with a large portion of Midgard being encased in a time tumor.
Drakengard is the greatest because your party consists of a blind pedophile, a permashota and an elf baby eating psycho bitch.
>Hi! I am here to get us all killed.
>>343089861
It's pretty cheap online, or at least it fucking should be.
The only utterly bad soundtrack is the broken record one, you know which one I mean.
I ended up liking ground combat since the timing to get it right, while stupidly easy, gets amusing.
Aerial missions are amazing. Not even in the context of a mediocre game. They're really good.
>>343091189
The bossfight against the angel was actually very good, I have to say.
>>343091189
I liked the aerial missions for the most part. Makes sense since this game was originally just gonna be about flying on a dragon.
I think some of the devs worked on Ace Combat, too.
>>343091189
I hope you're talking about this one, since it's the only song I really disliked in Drakengard 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABvMsCV10W4
>>343091156
Amazon has it for about 15 dollarydoos used, so that's not bad.I'm kind of holding out hope for a PS4 port.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Drakengard-Sony-PlayStation-2-2004-NTSC-SQUARE-ENIX-VGA-80-ARCHIVAL-CASE-/301654898638
HAHAH WHAT THE FUCK
>>343091401
>angel
Harpy. I guess... zombie harpy, rather.It's a mythological pun, at that. Furiae is the name of Caim's sister. Furiae = one of the three harpy sisters of greek mythology.
>>343078108
Drakengard 2 doesn't connect to Ending A for some reason.
Playing as Dragon was fun until Ground only enemies and the Red enemies started showing.
Then it was no fun.
Grinding weapons to level 4? God no, please no
>>343091643
Because of the bone casket fuckery and Seere being present.
>>343091452
It's not that bad. The pause sounds super strange and at 2:30 the music shifts really well imo.
>>343091452
I have no way to listen to it right now but
>Chapter 4
>On the ground
It's definetly that one. I remember it because it played when I had a friend over, just when I was commenting on how the OST was actually pretty good...
Also, gotta love this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOFd-blyVS0I got that ending the same night Iwata died, so it reminds me of utter discomfort and fear of death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnWf_K84iF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGJtJTzAdOU
Some of this stuff really reminds me of 1's music.
>>343088429
All mine, Furiae, all mine. All mine.
All mine, No man can have her. No
man. Not even Caim.
>>343092081
The Watchers dance. Lalalala Lalalala
Should I play 3?
It seems so different in tone and character from 1 I don't know if I should bother.
>>343092081
>Darran: Can I put SOME emotion or inflection into these lines?
>Voice Director: No.
>>343092204
that is the point.
Im sure a lot of people will say the same of Automata
>>343092204
If you liked Taro's other stuff then you may get a kick out of it. It is pretty different, though.
>I will help you in every step of your journey, Nowe! Believe this.
Oh cool. So will you actually join the party?
>gotta go bye
Right well I guess maybe his golem doesn't work anymore or something.
>shows up by the fucking end on the golem and is capable of obliterating a whole army on his own
Fuck you why didn't you help sooner you little shit.
>>343092179
>>343077865
while gameplay, ost, controls are obviously better, some points just ruined the point of the first
unlikable characters: anime cliché as shit
you know the full plot from the very first mission
and worst of all: weapons, in the first, all weapons could be used, in the second you just can't because new weapons replace old ones.
>>343092473
Because Nowe is a fucking idiot.
>Guys you probably shouldn't destroy the seals
>FUCK YOU
>>343092908
Then again everyone is stupid in that game.
Seere helps in no way.
Eris is just all over the place being retarded.
Nowe is Nowe and that is self explanatory.
Axeguy is just like "oh btw you gotta kill me lol" like oh sure okay then.
And Mana's literal worth is going nuts on the backseat of your daddy issues dragon every third stage.
>>343077378
holy shit, I had so much minor awful things happen to me after Drakenguard 3.
Drakengard never had the best gameplay. But the plot wasfun.
https://youtu.be/k4ktsy7fqiI
>>343077378
>i become a neet after finishing nier
fug
