>GTX 1070 performence for $199
Nvidia on suicide watch.
This is why capitalism works. AMD gets pushed into a corner and is forced to compete.
>>339902709
>performence
Here, looks like you need it, Rajeet.
>1070 performance
>source: my peenus weenus :^)
>>339902709
>Buy Radeon.
>It wont work with games.
>Black screen.
>Drivers never work.
>Have to fucking hotfix everything.
>Fucking overheats.
>Friends always complain about their twin Radeons not working with games.
>Fuck this, buy a 580.
>Works like a dream.
>Buy a 780.
>Works like a dream.
>Buy a 1080.
>Works like a dream.
I give no fucks.
>>339902709
You'll need two 480s CF to get close to 1070 performance in most games.
>>339903307
>I bought had driver problems when the AMD has no drivers meme was relevant.
You realize that's hardly relevant to now right?
>>339902709
but its AMD
>>339903490
i can let a child use MSpaint and call it an infograph too
>>339903517
You're literally part of the problem. We'll have to wait for benchmarks to come out, but are seriously saying we should just buy back into the monopolies when AMD finally might have good products again?
>>339903490
>980ti SLI
I know that Nvidia SLI is much worse than CF, but holy shit I didn't know that it was THIS awful.
>>339903607
>its better for only 199 dollars!!
>we just have to wait for the benchmarks i guess XD
>>339902709
>no drivers
>no physx
>no devs bother with it cuz it is shit
>the gpu choice of Apple
>falling for the AMD meme
lo liberals. trump should ban amd.
>>339903505
not him but i'm not going back. i'm super happy with the 2 nvidia cards i've had most recently, and i have more than enough money to buy whatever card i want. why risk having another shitty amd card?
So, does AMD work with OpenGL properly now or it still works like shit?
>>339903592
>>339903637
>I don't understand frametime, graphs or data in general
These are the people who buy AMD.
>>339903307
>buy Radeon
>works like a dream
What the fuck are you talking about faggot?
>>339903780
i dotn buy AMD im NVIDIA all the way!!
>>339903705
Way to miss the point. There was a point a month ago when we were waiting on Pascal benchmarks too.
>>339902709
The 480 performs on par with the R9 390.
Stop spreading misinfo.
>>339903725
>why risk having another shitty amd card?
Because unless you know what you're talking about, you just admitted to being a fanboy when you should be buying the card that's best for you. If you're into the high-end cards and NEED to upgrade right now then Pascal is the only realistic option. But come October, if you haven't upgraded, Vega will be out and that'll have HBM2 and equivalent if not superior performance to the current Pascal cards. If the benchmarks show Vega beats Pascal out, there's no reason not to buy it. On top of the fact that Nvidia and Intel need competition and you'd be doing the tech industry a favor.
>>339902709
It's not as powerful as the 1070, it's not even as powerful as a titan x, 980 ti or 980.
It's around the 970 region.
I think this is a pretty positive development because consoles should be able to use some sort of variant of this card to increase their performance and maintain the same retail price so games should end up looking even better
>>339904084
Holy fuck shill more. Christ.
>All these faggots that don't know about Vega.
Can't wait for that sweet sweet HBM2. Hopefully Zen kicks ass too. 8 cores with Haswell-ish performance for a fraction of what Intel is offering sounds amazing.
>>339903021
jeez, sorry
>>339902709
as an amd fag and someone who will buy this card, this card is more on par with the 970
>>339904265
Want to check what shill means? I said you should check the benchmarks, but then again reading comprehension is hard for retards I guess.
>>339903307
>I like making shit up
>>339902709
>falling for the AMD meme
Can't wait to see you crying on the Steam forums saying your games don't work while everyone else have no problem at all because they use a nvidia gpu.
>>339903756
AMD supports up to 4.5 on 7000's and R-series cards, but the only game so far using 4.5, Doom, doesn't detect it, AMD reps on Guru3D say it's a Doom issue, Bethesda says it's an AMD issue, who the fuck knows, but both cards used 4.5 perfectly during the beta
>>339904386
If he's talking about pre-580 times then I don't have trouble believing him. The problem is that argument is about as outdated as saying Android is laggy.
>>339904297
I'm looking forward to $500 Summit Ridge. I'll probably end up holding out for a Raven Ridge APU, I don't need a prosumer workstation.
>>339903490
>Frame times, lower is better
nice try
>>339903725
>le-meme
Lets see, I bought a Radeon back when Splinter Cell came out on the pc, it didn't work.
I bought another Radeon back when Half Life 2 came out, it didn't work, and Doom 3 as well "can you imagine how pissed I was I couldn't play Doom3!?"
I finally managed to get one Radeon that was worth its fucking salt which was the HD5000 series and guess what.
>The fan melted and spun into the card, card burned up.
It was already showing issues anyway.
I used to use AMD while I was on a budget with my PC parts and I have had nothing but trouble out of those fucking cards.
I even had a Radeon in my gaming laptop and it fucking bluescreens whenever I try to play games.
I FUCKING HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT BAD LUCK WITH THEM!
Too bad nvidia can't async compute, their current cards are going to age like milk.
On the other hand amd is going to be handicapped for VR with no multiprojection.
This generation is going to suck in a few month's time.
>>339904614
You're still talking about times when AMD has shitty drivers though. Also fuck off, HL2 has always been pretty well optimized. I don't know how much of that to actually believe now.
>>339903796
This
>>339904465
Does it still have slowdowns with it like Nvidia with Dx12? I want to get new AMD card, but I like to play on PCSX2 with OpenGL plugin and on my old AMD card it worked like shit.
>>339903307
I never had any trouble with ATI/AMD drivers, even pre-HD era cards.
Trying to install Nvidia drivers on Linux, now that's a real fucking pain in the ass. I've had no problems on Windows for either AMD/Nvidia though.
>>339903307
>>339903725
All GPU purchases are a risk.
>Geforce 8800 GT
>same vram issue everyone had
>Radeon 6670 GDDR5
>ran perfectly
>GTX 660ti
>overheating and crashing, fan speed locked to 74% max even in OC software
>R9 280X
>no issues thus far
Everyone has a chance of running into a bad card. Some people are unfortunate enough to have all bad experiences with one company. You and I are such people on different sides of the fence. If that's soured you on one brand, that's unfortunate - admittedly I'm much more wary of Nvidia when I think of a potential future upgrade now - but everyone else should be buying based on best value in their price range.
>>339903796
Not what he said, in any way
>>339904839
Can you not read either?
>>339902709
>>339904052
>>339904126
>>339904309
All of you stop being being faggots. We don't have extensive test results yet, and what little info we have puts it between the 390X and Fury. Not up at the 1070's level, not down at the 970's level, but around where the 980 is. It's very little info, but it's the only info we have at the moment, and that's what it points to.
>>339904905
It runs like shit on AMD because the PCSX2 fags are huge Nvidia and Intel shills. The only reason why they haven't implemented DX12/Vulkan and are doubling down on OGL, aside from being lazy as shit, is because it would provide a substantial boost for AMD cards and they can't have that and soil their precious Nvidia performance, even though it would also benefit from both DX12 and Vulkan.
Yes, PCSX2 dev fags are that retarded.
>>339905386
stop being a faggot about them being faggots
>>339904991
Anon is saying that he owns a Radeon and his runs well, unlike the experience of the guy he was replying to, whose experience with AMD was negative.
>>339905458
I refuse.
>>339905489
Greentext is supposed to be used for quoting. That post is just confusing then.
>>339905395
Most of PCSX2's fuck-ups come from the fact that adding stuff like 64-bit support and a native rendering path are impossible without a complete rewrite, hence the janky plugin system that ruined N64 emulation for the longest time
>>339902709
>This is why capitalism works.
Because it floods my tibetan papercraft website with shills?
>>339905395
I'll stay with Nvidia then, thanks.
>>339905386
>I'm a giant retard
We can see the single GPU performance results of the benches that were ran at Computex. The username was literally RadeonDemo. The results are public.
It performs on par with a R9 390. Its faster than a GTX 970, and a little behind the GTX 980.
>>339905395
does rpcs3 and wii-u emulator more fair for both companies?
All I care anyway in emulation are the Super Robot Wars series and Xeno-series
>>339905386
>and what little info we have puts it between the 390X and Fury
Anadantech has a good write-up of these cards. Go read that. It's definitely going to be between the 390-390X and 970-980 range. Keep in mind
THESE ARE JUST MID-RANGE CARDS
>>339903708
>no drivers
Never had an AMD, don't know about this.
>no physx
bullet is better
>no devs bother with it cuz it is shit
console fags devs work on amd
>the gpu choice of Apple
and microsoft and sony
>falling for the AMD meme
Not this time, I'm not falling for the nvidia meme anymore, my 750ti drivers crash errytime I up the gpu drain, it's a nice card for the price, but I should've bought an amd.
>>339904607
It is, frame time directly translates to fps. 20 ms frame time is 50 fps. But that doesn't matter, spikes are the problem, what speaks bad of performance is spikes. What is weird is the 980ti sli stays at around 50-60 fps, that means they restricted it on 60 and the AMD cards go to 1000 fps, which means there's no restriction, so prolonged use might heat up the card and underclock it, that's why this graphic is retarded as fuck.
>>339905395
>It runs like shit on AMD because the PCSX2 fags are huge Nvidia and Intel shills.
No. It runs like shit because AMD's video drivers don't have "Threaded optimization" turned on, so OpenGL multi-threading doesn't work. There's nothing to debate here, that's a fact, not an opinion.
>>339902709
Got a 7970 that has been running about everything like a champ.
Looking to upgrade this year but mostly waiting on Zen to drop to see if its a good product otherwise ill just go Intel like everyone else.
>>339905395
pcsx2 has always been a screwup, the devs are retarded faggots, I haven't touched it for years, but I bet they are still using their first architecture.
>>339903490
>radeons go beyond 60fps
nice graphic there, shill
>>339902709
As much as I would love to have that.
STFU you piece of shit, actual fps performance results aint out.
stop making these threads.
My history, S3 integrated,Matrox, riva tnt,Radeon 9550 SE,Radeon X850 Pro,8800gt,GTX 275, GTX260 OC, 2x GTX 560, GTX 970.
MIght pick up either
-RX480
-GTX 780Ti
-GTX 980
-GTX 980Ti
Looking for a good card for rendering at budget cost
>>339905395
To be fair, it's not really their fault games need Intel CPUs to run right. AMD's CPU performance has been ass lately. Didn't know they didn't like Radeon cards though.
>>339906917
It is, cause they can't multithread their shit, what's the point of multicore cpus if you can't use all of it? It's because of shitty devs like that, that we need to buy overly expensive intel cpus for their supreme single-core performance.
Fuck me, even gapis until vulkan and dx12 had this shit, this is retarded as FUCK, AS FUCK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_I8an8jXuM
>>339906774
Why would you get either of those three GTX cards? They're all completely outclassed by the 1070.
*turns hair physics on*
>>339906385
>that means they restricted it on 60 and the AMD cards go to 1000 fps, which means there's no restriction, so prolonged use might heat up the card and underclock it
That is not how things work.
>>339903490
But wouldn't that still be cheaper than a 1070?
>>339907710
Yes, they are, try to run your card on some demanding game unrestricted, it will burn and underclock itself. If you limit the performance to a lower place where the card doesn't exhaust itself, it will remain nice and cool.
Last I checked consoles are still holding back vidya so there isn't a single game that requires or even takes real advantage of latest (or even 3 year old) gpus
>>339908042
Yes, devs are lazy, more news at 11.
>>339904297
>HBM meme
lmao.
Funny how now you have to cling to HBM2 after HBM1 turned out to be nothing of note except mandatory watercooling to keep it from explaining.
>>339907879
Cards have a performance ceiling and a heat ceiling, they're both almost always go hand in hand. A card running at 100% use/performance will get close to its heat ceiling but never go past it unless something's seriously wrong with your PC's airflow or you're an OCfag but don't have proper fans.
>>339908042
>Last I checked consoles are still holding back vidya
>waah why cant devs optimize games for my $2000 PC and a 200k installbase all who have different configurations demanding games to be 10/10 otherwise I'll refunbd them on steam after buying it at 50% off.
PC cucks are pathetic.
>>339908340
>being this unbelievably retard
Fury X does not have a water cooler because HBM runs hot, it has a water cooler because its an attractive premium feature. Same reason why a dozen other top end enthusiast cards have come with AIO units or hybrid coolers.
Non X Fury and Fury Nano are aircooled cards.
>>339902709
Speculation at this point.
Also AMD has been plenty competitive in GPUs for years.
Hell Nvidia has been shit in the 200-399 range. 960 is trash and 970 is good but its competition is better for less and has been for awhile. Previously 7000 series of AMD cards were great and so were the 6000s and so on.
Fuck last time Nvidia won out for me in a good price to power range I was buying a 9800 GTX.
>>339908421
>says the people who defend 30 fps 1080p when that was surpassed years and years ago
>>339907879
No, you retarded mongoloid.
What the spikes in frame times in the graph means is bad frame pacing. This is especially an issue when AFR is used with CF/SLI. In AFR, one frame is rendered by one GPU, and the next one is rendered by the other one, etc. In a situation like this, it is important that the frames are properly paced. The frame rendered by the other GPU shouldn't come right after the previous one has come out, otherwise the intervals are uneven. Say it takes 20 ms for a GPU to render a frame, and the frame from the first GPU comes out at t = 0 ms. Now, say the other GPU started working on its frame shortly after the first GPU, and shits out its frame as soon as it's done. Your other frame comes out at t = 5 ms. At this point, the first GPU is still working on the next frame, and it'll be 15 ms until it's done with it. In a scenario like this, you get frames at 0 ms, 5 ms, 20 ms, 25 ms, 40 ms, etc, when ideally you'd get them at intervals of 10 ms. This is what leads to a spiky frame time graph.
It has absolutely nothing to do with your fucking restrictions.
>>339907870
Crossfire/SLI is shit, though. Never go dual gpu
>>339908919
>says the person defending 1080p 60fps when 4k 240dps was reached years ago
>>339902709
Is $199 a lot of money? What is that in NZD?
>>339909292
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%24199+in+NZD
>>339903307
>Buy Radeon.
>Works with games.
>Colorful 1080p screens.
>Drivers don't work for bf2, nothing else.
>Had to hotfix nothing.
>Never overheats.
>Don't have friends.
>Love this, buy a r9 270.
>Works like a dream.
maybe the reason you got better performance was because you paid for more. richfag.
>>339909458
What if OPs currency is in Australian dollar though
>>339909112
says the poorfag
>>339909668
I'm not the one who'll get two rx480s instead of one 1070.
>>339909668
says the person who doesnt want their house burnt down
>>339909620
>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%24199+to+australian+dollar
>>339909620
>>339909830
fuck I fucked up
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=199+australian+dollar+to+NZD
>>339903490
Haha, holy fuck. Why can't AMD solve their microstuttering issues if nvidia can?
>>339902709
Except it's performance is between 970 and 980, which doesn't hold a candle to the superior GTX 1070. AMD is done for, unless they have a breakthrough with Vega
>>339905839
Okay, so I found it.
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/b0db0294-8cab-4399-8815-f956a670b68f/match-details/8b748568-fc96-4e48-9fed-22666a7149f5
Now what? Is there a comparable 390/390X/970/980 benchmark somewhere? Running with at those settings, that resolution, with that much RAM, and that CPU running at that frequency? Or at least something close? Do you know where to find it? It's not on their profile. Does it exist? Do you have it?
>>339909924
>200 dollar card thats between 320 dollar card and 400 dollar card
>amd is done for
AMD A BEST
>>339904530
is this a CS GO map?
I have received a revelation brothers. AMD is in cahoots with the console manufacturers. They are chasing the quick buck and in so doing are compromising the PC market.
It's time to boycott AMD. They are in cahoots with the enemy. Our enemy. if you're a PC gamer, a TRUE friend of the common man, then Intel and Nvidia are our friends. Spread the word.
>>339910808
Low quality b8
>>339910808
>A true friend to the common man
>Expensive shit
>>339909924
>new $200 meme card
>AMD is done for
Nigga, this thing is going to be in every build for every computer made by people that aren't retarded. This is like the 750 Ti all over again. Its price point and its power are just so perfect. No, its not the absolute best card, but its also 1/5th the price.
It is better than the R9 295X2?
>>339906443
The 7970 got some real mileage out of GCN if you stayed in the 1080p range, while also letting you max (mostly) everything out as a bonus, I was able to do it with mine up to MGSV where I only had to keep SSAO and shadows at 'medium', too bad it died all the fucking time due to bad VRM cooling while ALSO rocking a 25% overvolt, gg Sapphire
AMD is patrician
>>339910946
750 ti will always have a place in my heart though. I wish nvidia let it sli.
>>339903780
Way it's meant to be Played™
>>339910001
It's Ashes of Singularity anyway. Doing GPU comparisons with a single game that favors AMD cards (in comparison to the vast majority of titles) is pretty silly.
For example, at the settings guru3d ran AotS, 390X beat 980 by 10%.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1080_gaming_x_8g_review,15.html
Does this mean 390X is 10% better than 980? If you take an average over a much larger sample, you'll see that there's almost no difference between them at 1440p.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/26.html
This is why you never do GPU comparisons using a single game.
>>339910730
Yeah SR_Zen.
>>339911103
Summit ridge; a new snow map for cs:go!
>>339905386
You wish AMDcuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ5wYVu-tM8
>performance of a R9 290 / just near GTX 980
>40% below 1070
wow its fucking nothing.only poorfags like me will have the rx480
>Spending half a fortune when the only non-casual PC games look like this
And I feel bad for having wasted money on a Radeon 4600.
>>339902709
seems like a good time to replace my 8 year old PC, specially since Denuvo got finally cracked.
>one benchmark
>NVIDIA IS FINISHED AND BANKRUPT
>>339911252
Why is everyone saying its nothing? Why are you getting your hopes so high for this shit? Thinking that they are going to be so much better is going to dissapoint you in the end.
I still use my HD4870
>>339911252
It's really good for the price
>MFW Australian
>the RX480 will be like $350 AUD and the GTX 1070 will be like $600 AUD
kill me please
>>339911535
I am still using my 7870, lmao @ all these newfag cucks spending 500 dollars/euros on cards that drop in value hard, they don't understand what best price quality is. I can play all my games exceptionally well, I'll upgrade in 2018-ish when the technology has actually advanced enough, not like now, small improvements in performance, kek, stay cucked low IQ idiots.
>>339912019
> being this proud of being poor
Keep it up little Timmy. Maybe this year mommy and daddy will have a new upgrade waiting for you under the Christmas tree so you can actually play modern games with good performance without lying.
>>339912019
Haha I had a 7870. What a piece of shit that thing was. Fuck off.
>le max every game
>>339912493
Maybe he has CRT and can play at 640x480? I did it a long time ago and was able to play games on a piece of shit gpu.
>>339912630
I dont know what you are talking about it can play 1080p medium 60 fps on new triple a games and ultra on older games
>tfw a 1080 is 800+ euros
and that's why I've been using AMD since forever
I really hope AMD releases the Rx 490 with 16GB HBM2 in October like rumors say
Fuck Nvidia for charging $700 for the 1080, it's also just a 1060 honestly, it's one third of what Pascal is capable of
>>339912179
>>339912493
hahaha cucks are mad I outsmart you with my purchases? stay mad niggers. This gpu is one of the best price performance gpus of the last century.
Stay cucked, feels good to have a high IQ and outsmart the system.
Any AMD driver after november 2015 gives this funky blue screen every 30 minutes. I knew the shitty drivers weren't just a meme but jesus fuck, this is beyond joke by now
Radeon, not even once.
>>339912854
Maybe you should try getting a job?
>>339904425
>this entire post
Yeah, it's not like one gfx card manufacturer bribing developers and publishers to purposefully gimp their products on their rival's hardware is illegal or anything...
Literally never had any driver related issues in the past 10 years with AMD, am I just unbelievably lucky? I don't use beta drivers.
>>339903490
I think you mean to get close to the 1080
>>339912854
>graphics cards costing over 200 euros
And this is why I'm a console gamer. Fuck PCs.
>>339913271
I have a job, can't justify paying that much when the AMD equivalent is literally half as much. I know it's not the same in Americas since everything is so cheap, but it's not like that here.
>>339906074
>console fags devs work on amd
I can't tell if you're trying to argue for or against AMD. If it's the former, you're doing a poor job of it.
>>339913141
> Any AMD driver after november 2015 gives this funky blue screen every 30 minutes.
That's not amd drivers that causes that. I had that exact same problem half a year back when I brought a msi motherboard. Returned that shit and got a gigabyte motherboard. Using the exact same processor, ram, HD and video card... I haven't seen that blue screen since.
I will never trust MSI ever again.
>>339913405
>but it's not like that here.
Where?
>you bought a GTX 960
>>339913556
At least you didn't fall for the cuck ram 970.
>>339913556
>You bought a 760 and can now get a cheap, great upgrade.
>it's a 'GPU manchild brand war on /v/' episode
>>339903307
Bullshit. I can't watch anime now because of Nvidia drivers.I'll never buy green again.
>>339903112
haha :D
>>339913141
Literally worked for me. Just like many others
>>339913370
you can get the same shit in the consoles for a pc under $200
ITT
>>339913556
>you bought a 7970 GHz
best purchase I've ever made
>>339913289
I don't like the idea of supporting that kind of practice but it's hard not to when NVIDIA has everybody by the balls like that. I either pay more and support an evil product or I suffer gimped games on the chance that NVIDIA loses enough support to no longer get away with it. Plus, I do video editing and I need CUDA to help cut my rendering times down and so my machine doesn't become completely useless for 5 hours while I render something.
>i5-2 fucking 400 not even k
>gtx760 4gb
>I can still run most games pretty damn well
I don't get people who buy new hardware each year just to masturbate at the benchmarks and play a 4k game for 10 minutes.
>>339902709
>This is why capitalism works
You do realize that for every instance where capitalism works you can find about 10 where it fails spectacularly.
>AMD just rebranded GCN for two generations, meaning their cards didn't change significantly for 3 years
>their new architecture barely beats it performance wise, you'll have to wait another year to even get better performance than like a 390x
>even though AMD prides itself on supporting more open technologies than Nvidia, Nvidia cards still have better drivers for Linux
>from what we've seen, AMD only has this incredible price/performance on DX12 games, and it will take a long time before most games are built from the ground up in DX12
>having to depend on crossfire to get anywhere near 1070 performance outside of DX12 games (so two $200 AMD cards with 4gb vram will perform on the same level as a ~$379-$400 Nvidia card with 8gb vram)
>hurr Nvidia is finished and bankrupt
Does ATI have something like shadowplay yet?
I've had ATI graphics cards for years and always had pretty good performance. Just jealous of shadowplay.
>>339914042
Yeah, it's not as good but it gets the job done.
It's in the shitty Gaming Evolved software though.
>>339913123
Tell me this is shitposting and you dont actually believe you have a high IQ or "outsmarted the system"...holy fuck.
>niggers
>cuck cuck cuck
>7870
Ahhh this guy is a retard. 380x 4690 doing me all kinds of problems. Bur its my ram mostly. Gotta upgrade when its cheap
>>339914373
It's summer, and you're on /v/.
What exactly did you expect?
>>339914441
>summer
it's june 4th
>>339914495
Spring is not real.
>>339913638
Yeah thats me. Im still debating on the 1070 or rx480 but i might go with the rx480. its cheaper and its gonna last me a long while for more than $100 cheaper than the 1070.
>>339914136
Just checked it out, what makes it shitty?
Does it force you to lower the quality of your games if you have an outdated card like mine?
>>339914568
I dunno never used it lol
>>339914554
As I'm going to stay with 1080p it's perfect, no need to go for that expensive high-reso meme, maybe get a 144hz monitor but that's it.
>>339914441
Sorry buddy, i dont spend my days in the summer on this board so its not like i would know. I would figure there would be more intelligent text, not NIGGERS KEK every other message.
>>339902709
>This is what AMD poorfags actually believe
>>339914535
my point is that it's basically only the southern US with kids out for summer
most everywhere else in the world will continue to the end of june
it's also 4am EST
>>339914694
oh you nvidcucks
>>339914691
im not planning on going above 1080p for a long while either. 1440p doesnt appeal to me and 4k gaming looks still too fresh and expensive for me to get into it.
>>339913350
>posting cherry picked data that knowing runs better on AMD cards
Into the trash it goes .exe.jpg.trojan.fuckyou
>>339908042
I hate this argument, and I'm a PC gamer myself. Most PC gamers have mid range rigs or gaming laptops. At launch, a minority of players can max out their games at 1080 or higher/60fps or higher. If all console players were forced to trade in their consoles for PCs, they'd get either shitty gaming laptops or mid to low range PCs. Game developers would have just as much reason to be pushing graphics forward in that scenario. Just look at how a lot of PC exclusives are designed for toasters, like LoL or DOTA.
If anything, consoles expand the market which gives developers more revenue from a bigger potential customer base. Microsoft funds game development to give their Xbox more games, and makes most of them PC + Xbox exclusive. That's one example of consoles bringing more games to PC by giving devs a larger customer base. That money *can* be used for better graphics. When it isn't, it's because the devs are lazy/greedy, which wouldn't change if PC was the only platform.
Lastly, consoles force devs to work around technical constraints. This *can* force them to optimize their games better, which will benefit PC as well.
The only thing holding back games is shitty developers.
>>339914042
>shadowplay
literally everything shadowplay does can be accomplished with OBS and a little tweaking of background programs
1070 for safe medium high gpu, 1080
480 for good value, easy to spend another 200euro to get more performance later.
Not much to argue about.
>>339910981
yes
>>339912019
this
>>339914954
My gpu is outdated and having OBS in the background running constantly slows my games down.
>>339914943
Oh and another example. There's a lot of Vita games that sell well on Steam once they're ported to PC. Those games wouldn't exist in the first place if not for the Vita because PC gaming isn't popular in Japan, so they design for consoles first. The PC ports pretty much exist because of weeaboos in the west.
>>339915239
>OBS slows games down
????
Man is there any GPU that just works that isn't a fucking meme
The 970 is le 3,5 also expensive for what it is
The RX480 looks good but
>shitty drivers
>overheats
>ps2 emulation is shit
>>339902709
Capitalism didn't do anything. They chose to do this on their own. They could have made a competing card and sold it for the same price as Nvidia just like every other firm does in our modern society. Capitalism is often touted as some other word for "magic" that "makes" competition and "makes" companies do good things. This was done despite the fact that they already said their IGNORING their competition. Whether that's believable or not is debatable, but one thing is clear, they aren't adhering to some magical capitalist rules. They chose to release a better product at a better price. They could have easily gotten away with the normal power creep.
No I think what this shows is that companies have been overcharging for these video cards for years, manipulating customers and capitalism has done NOTHING to stop it. Only when someone finally decides of their own volition to do it did something change. Again NO ONE forced AMD to do this. Not market forces nor Nvidia, nor capitalism. I repeat, they could have easily just released a comparable card for a comparable price or a better card for the same price and would have been financially fine. If you need any proof of that look at Nintendo. They aren't the dominant players but they still make great profits and aren't going anywhere despite not really "competing" with their competitors.
>>339902709
>This is why capitalism works
You mean this is why there are only two players left in the graphics card business, and one of them was acquired by an even bigger company
>>339915375
He probably escaped from /pol/
For people that believe we should keep to our own, they sure do like shitting up other boards
>>339913971
If anything it proves that capitalism doesn't work. AMD didn't have to do this to remain relevant. If this same card came out at $400 and was slightly more powerful people would still be hopping on AMD's dick. Capitalism had little to do with this.
Someone in their company had the heart to release these cards for what they're really worth instead of price gouging. Capitalism would have easily seen them going for the price "the market will bear" not this price. No something else was at work here.
>>339902709
>This is why capitalism works. AMD gets pushed into a corner and is forced to compete.
bullshit
capitalism is a shitty excuse for rich people to do whatever they want, and they have idiots like you who parrot their bullshit beliefs
you don't even know how the GPU market works
>>339915375
>>339915587
There was a study done on the effect of cheap Chinese imports on shoe manufacturers in Ethiopia. While most small shoe manufacturers went out of business (because they were very inneficient as it is, the economy is better off with those people doing other work), medium sized and larger enterprises were more likely to respond to competition by upgrading their production capabilities/quality of their goods. So a few years later, their economy actually benefitted because their shoe exports were now competitive where they weren't before. Your opinions don't trump the real world observed effects of competition.
I'm not some libertarian fanatic who worships the invisible hand, but competition really is generally positive. Look at how shitty Intel and Nvidia have been getting compared to when AMD put up more competitive products.
>>339915528
>Someone in their company had the heart to release these cards for what they're really worth instead of price gouging.
Bullshit
Their reasons for releasing it at this price tag has absolutely fucking nothing to do with someone going 'man, I really feel like doing a good deed today'
Maybe it's gaining market share, maybe it's marketing or company positioning, but it's certainly not goodwill
>>339907451
render card for adobe premier
i need those cuda core on the cheap
>>339912854
What a shame. Here's hoping GTX 1070 isn't retardedly costly in europe, If its around €400 I might get one to replace my 770.
>there are nvidia fans hoping amd fails
Literally retarded
Competition is good for the consumer
>>339915587
>millennial econopolitical beliefs
Kill yourself. Also,all Bernie voters,kill yourselves.
>>339915528
AMD's market share has been dropping, if they just sat on their ass they'd go bankrupt pretty soon. They need better products to get back some market share and more revenue.
>>339915783
>if it's around 400
hahaha you wish
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/LfOsDSv.png "latest[1].png")
>>339915783
That's not JC
Is this gpu going to let me max out on ultra for mmos such as FFXIV, BDO, and future mmos even with a bunch of people on screen?
>>3399155287
no, its the company playing the long game rather than trying to maximize short term profits. There is value in gaining market share with a very dollar-efficient product.
>>339915340
>overheats
not anymore, it barely uses 90 watts to run which means it will be cooler and have the power of a R9 290x / GTX 980
>>339903307
underage plz go to /r/pcmasterrace
>>339915783
*retartedly
I keep making this same stupid mistake
>>339915902
Dude taxes lmao
>>339915915
My bad
>>339915826
This. I'm going to get a 1070 because I'm too impatient to wait for AMD to release their better performing cards and what they've shown isn't a 1070 killer (I'm not going to crossfire to get marginally better price/performance). But I'm glad that this looks like the beginning of AMD's rebound so they'll be more competitive. I want to be able to get an AMD CPU/GPU for my next computer so that I don't encourage a monopoly even more.
Did we get real benchmarks yet?
>>339914943
What a giant load of bull.
There is no reason for consoles anymore. Not a single fucking reason.
>>339903637
>frametime
lower and less erratic the better.
>>339915324
Software encoding is more resource intensive than GPU accelerated encoding that shadowplay uses.
>>339912019
this
>>339916270
I'm not making an argument for consoles, I'm just refuting that they hold back PC games. Redirect your hate to shitty developers.
>>339914943
>The devs are lazy, Consoles are not to blame
>Having to squeeze games onto 1 teraflop shitsoles.
>Omg developers why you so lazy omg look at this shit why Bloodborne only 30fps why you lazy!
I hate you console fucks so much, you destroy the vidya since 06, stream into /v/ and take over with your zero knowledge about vidya and it'S history. You shit all over the place with your console wars threads and make the whole vidya industry the jewest of all.
Let me be the first vidya enthusiast today to thank you for all that. Thank you so much.
Real question do we have any specs for r9 480 from AMD partners like Sapphire?
Lets be real who wants their videocard to have only 1 fan?
>>339916608
>I'm just refuting that they hold back PC games
You can refute all you want but that's still a faulty argument.
The devs don't call the shots, the money does.
When can I purchase this technology?
>>339916659
Do I need to post a picture of my PC for you to believe I'm not a console gamer? Explain how lazy devs aren't to blame.
>>339916767
Which is why PC exclusives have toaster mode graphics, the market isn't as big. If PC gaming was the only option, most games would look like LoL, few games would look as good as Crysis 3.
>>339916865
June 29 in the US.
GPU war threads are worse than console war threads just because of the amount of people who think they know anything.
>Fell for the gtx 970 meme
>>339902709
so let me get this right. both 1070 and 1080 are irrelevant now thanks to the rx480 meme and the dual rx480 sub-meme
Nvidia should have seen this coming. When you overprice your memes, competitors can VERY easily destroy you by under-charging
SERVES THEM RIGHT. Learn how to Jew properly Nvidia. At this stage Nvidia whould withdraw both its new memes
>>339902709
Source?
What should I upgrade my GTX 960 to?
bought r9 290 two years ago when i was building new desktop
best choice i have ever made
mind that the nvidia alternative was 750 at that time. this speaks for itself when you look where 750 is now
>>339917023
It's a good card fag
>>339917039
It's way too early to call that. We don't know much about the RX 480 outside of one dx12 game. Also crossfire is shit, most people would prefer to get a single 1070 for the same price as two 480s. But we don't know about the 490, maybe that could be the 1070 killer, we just don't know.
>>339917167
Wait. The GTX 960 is only one generation old now. Unless for some reason you're in the market for a high end card when you bought a mid range card last year, there isn't much to upgrade to yet. At least wait until the 1060 is out.
>>339917321
>At least wait until the 1060 is out.
Okie Dokie.
>>339917382
Hopefully the RX 480 forces Nvidia to be more competitive with the pricing of the 1050 and 1060. I suspect that's why they didn't show them at the 1070 and 1080 launch, but that's just my speculation.
>Dx12 cards have been out for a while now
>Dx12 exclusive to shitty OSes
Just kill me.
>>339912019
i have a 7870 too. I might not be able to max out every game but most high end games run at mid 1080p 60fps
>>339913370
Or just don't buy stupidly expensive cards? It's like graphics card a 4th of the cost would be like, 30% worse.
reference 1070 or aftermarket 980ti? running a 1080p display, heres my setup.
>>339918158
Does you system have bad cooling? Get the reference 1070 because a blower style cooler keeps the heat from the GPU out of the system and prevents it from heating up the other components. If not the 980ti might be a better value, from what I've seen the cards perform about the same.
>>339917198
hahaha
>>339918158
An RX 480 will be more than enough for a single Full HD display. The GTX 980Ti and 1070 are overkill.
>>339918279
eh, the cooling is decent. on load neither the cpu or gpu gets TOO hot, but it could be better. my case is kinda shitty, looking to get a new one as well. and yeah, thats what im thinking, the blower style might be useful. but, how is the 980ti a better value? its about $200 more for usually worse performance and more power consumption
>>339918409
I have a 144hz display and want to max out modern games, i need the extra power
so what's the best card for a 1440p 144hz monitor?
Is this ok? Running at 1440 and it seems to struggle at some points on more modern games.
>>339902709
No thanks, I have a job.
>>339918550
Forgot my image
>>339918434
I was assuming you found a way to get a 980ti for the same price somehow, like waiting for the price to come down or getting one used. I guess it's because I didn't see why else you'd be comparing them. Yeah, the 1070 is a better value then.
>>339916931
>Explain how lazy devs aren't to blame.
For the fucked up industry? There is nothing to explain it's plain stupid holy shit.
>>339918505
so why did you get a freaking AMD cpu
>>339918529
a 1080
>>339918593
a 970 will struggle a bit at 1440p depending on the game and settings. if you want to maintain that resolution id recommend an upgrade.
>>339918596
ah, yeah no the one I had my eye on was the EVGA superclocked one, it seems to be the strongest card out of the box with decent cooling, but like I said its about $615 vs $440.
>>339918662
it was a bundle I bought on newegg a while back, around 2 years ago. not exactly ideal, I know, but the GPU is being outclassed faster than the CPU is, so thats what im focusing on first. CPU/Mobo swap is coming later.
>>339916931
>If PC gaming was the only option, most games would look like LoL
Let me guess the 360 was your first vidya?
Mods please, do something it's unbearable.
>>339916931
>which is why PC exclusives have toaster mode graphics
yeah, like Crysis did when it first released right?
>>339914042
Obs studio has a amd ecv mode. It works really well.
>>339916931
Just reposting because it's always relevant
There are way more cons to a console than that. For example that it's a dead block of garbage outside of playing games the most shoddily possible way.
Also I got an xbox for a bit over a year and I had to buy 3 controllers already for 60 bucks a pop that break like ass, shit expensive peripherie like a horrible headset for 30$ and numerous mini usb cables because they easily break at the port, had to buy a 40$ digital/analog audio converter because that shitbox only has optical out, and bought 2 fucking games that cost me way over 200 fucking bucks to get the full fucking thing, and to top it off I have to pay 50$ to play the shoddiest possible fucking online mp and party/teamspeak infrastructure known the man that shits itself constantly.. The "free" games you get were almost exclusively shoddy 3rd party shit that didn't sell in the first place, or it's ancient shit you already played through 3 years ago and is never a AAA title, ever.
Consoles having "PROS" is a fucking myth There is nothing positive about these communist shitboxes, they only exist because "exclusives" and the only reason why these games get chain'd forever in console hell is because the fucking console exists.
There is no fucking reason for a video-game enthusiast to think positively about the modern day cashsoles. Not one.
>>339916990
>just because of the amount of people who think they know anything
So it's>>339917039
literally like console wars threads?
>>339917039
>meme meme meme
Stop talking like that no 4channer would ever talk like that you sound like a 13 year old shitfuck.
>>339919070
>4channer
>>339904672
>VR
Who gives a fuck
>>339902709
>199$
fuck! in scandinavia we have to pay almost over 500€ for that and over 800€ for the 1080
>>339903307
Hi Nvidia shill
>>339918639
So you're admitting it's bad developers and not consoles in and of themselves holding the industry back?
>>339919251
The yuro prices are out?
>>339919296
its both.
lazy devs dont take full advantage of the hardware they're given, and generally aren't creative.
consoles limit the technologies games can use.
>>339918808
And most people did not have a PC that could even run Crysis at high settings back then. Devs want to access the widest market possible, and that means pandering to toasters most of the time. For every crysis, there's some 2d indie shit PC exclusive.
>>339913271
>paying more than $500 for an individual component for your pc
wew lad
>>339903307
>Have dream.
>Works like a gpu card.
>>339919364
yup, swedes one at least
https://www.komplett.se/search?q=1070&category=10412_Grafikkort
>>339918808
My first console was the gameboy color. I'm a PC gamer. Why is this so hard to believe that it's not profitable to design games for the small minority with the highest end systems? You'd be surprised how many people play PC games on laptops and low end systems.
>>339919381
Meant for >>339918883
>>339902709
theoretical performance isn't performance
>>339919503
I can't find the 480 on there, are you talking about the 1070 by any chance?
>>339918956
Again, I'm not defending consoles here. I never did. I simply disagrees that consoles hold back PCs. They don't, every problem with shitty console ports can be attributed to lazy developers, not the mere existence of consoles.
>>339919381
yes, which means the devs actually pushed boundaries and it paid off. today it still looks good, and for years it was better than anything a console could put out. it basically outshined that entire generation of console games. Now, yes, that type of thing is rare. of course it is. But they're still valuable, and the game was popular nonetheless.
>>339902709
Wow, amd won text specs war again.
Call me back when their bullshit actually turns true at least once.
>>339903637
Did you even READ the graph? Jesus Christ
