Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Achilles? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about young Achilles. I'm not talking about Trojan War period Achilles either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Trojan War era Achilles equipped with his bronze overlong spear, greaves, helmet, shield and sword with the Myrmidons behind him. I'm talking about Trojan War era Achilles with the shield of Hephaestus, his signature arms and armour, with the Myrmidons behind him whilst under the blessings of the gods AND whilst grieving over his dead cousin Patrocles and being a master with the sword, spear and phalanx combat but AFTER having warmed up for his battle with Prince Hector and fuming at the treatment he's received from Agamemnon with the aid of Ajax; who is an expert with his hammer, Odysesseus' bow and whilst having Athena herself at his side, the prayers of his nymph mother AND with his immortality which he has had since birth?
>>71840899
Hercules.
Paris.
Paris with a bow
Paris
did you even watch the movie?
>make a stupidly overpowered character
>lol no one can beat him xD
>killed by an arrow to the heel as if that can be lethal
Homer was a hack
Daily reminder that Paris was a coward.
>>71840899
Just cover his heel in some thick armor and he's unstoppable
>>71840945
he would get rekt pretty hard
>>71840999
he wasn't killed by an arrow to the heel. He was found with an arrow in the heel which gave birth to the legend that he was invincible except for his heel. What killed him was multiple arrows to his chest.
Didn't he died by Paris
For my money its got to be Jason
>small coastal city with no real marina
>field an army of 10s of thousands
I guess every historical epic needs to be LOTR now.
>>71841070
>he would get rekt pretty hard
>legendary demigod that's killed more monsters and men than Achilles ever has
>rekt
No.
>>71841530
Where the fuck are you getting this?
>>71840899
Plenty of Greek/Roman Gods and demi-Gods could easily kill Achilles. He only stands out against mortal Humans.
>>71840964
Wasnt that faggot sacked by Ragnar?
Brads ass in this movie ftw.
>>71840899
Madara Uchiha with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano’o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.
>>71840899
Yes.
>>71841711
one is invincible with only a tiny weak spot, the other is just super strong, but mortal
>>71841895
i can literally smell your virginity through my monitor
>>71841957
>Invincible
>Still dies to a hail of arrows
I don't think you know what the word 'invincible' actually means.
>>71841870
>summer action film
>wanting it to be so fucking slow it covers 40 years
Fuck off, you retarded faggot.
>>71840899
>cousin Patrocles
Kek, pleb moviefag who didn't read the book.
>>71841957
>>71841957
Nemean Lion had no weak spots and Hercules choked it to death.
Faggot.
>>71841794
This, when Achilles fought that river god who got pissed about all the dead Trojans clogging his river he got BTFO.
>>71842024
>he only watched the movie
I don't think you know much about Achboy
>>71841775
Pretty sure he's talking about the movie, but even still, his claim has no basis. Achilles was shot in the heel first and then the chest in the movie so there's no way to know if he was actually supposed to be immortal or not.
>>71842131
It obviously was vulnerable to choking then.
Stop sucking heracles' cock
>>71841697
Pretty sure the numbers are canon, Homer was a poet, not a historian
>>71842215
>Stop sucking heracles' cock
Tell that to Achilles when he's choking on it
>>71840899
Oedipus
>>71840899
thor would wreck this faggot
>>71842360
hello /pol/
>>71842101
>book
More like a papyrus, I doubt books were a thing back then
>>71842360
>Implying
Achilles wounded Ares, god of war in the Illiad, Thor would be easy.
>>71841775
You know wheb you be speed running mario and an enemy clips one of marios pixels and it hurts you from super mario to mario and then the woun psyches you out to the point you accidentally the pit?
Well that's whst happened to achillies he thought he was invincible and got knicked in the heel and it psyvhed him out
>>71842360
Probably considering Achilles is only a demi-god. But how would he handle the Greeks own Thunderer Zeus?
Keep in mind, Zeus defeated the Titans as and fought 1v1 against Gaia's abomination of a son Typhon and won.
Also Zeus never was tricked by his brother into dressing up like a woman and marrying a troll.
Madara could.
>>71840899
Siegfried is a good match.
>>71841870
>what is artistic licence
The fact that Helen of Troy is portrayed by a blue-eyed blonde german when logically, she would given the features of what was considered beautiful by mycenaen standards didn't tick you off? And let's not get started on armors worn by Achilles and the greeks which are nothing but accurate
>>71842530
Why did the standard of beauty become being a snow nigger all of a sudden?
>>71841530
bretty sure in the myth the arrow was poisoned senpai, for the reality of things, we don't even know if he existed,was made up or just exaggerated.
>>71842573
they're objectively the most pleasing humans to look at
>>71842573
>snow nigger
I put off watching Troy for years and i finally watched it recently ands its amazing
What is some other essential Mythic epic core?
>>71842622
Excalibur (1981)
>>71842360
>>71842473
Greek gods would stomp the Norse gods 9 times out of ten.
Greek gods are actual immortals, the Norse gods are killable and it's inevitable that they die in Ragnarok
>>71842603
Beauty is created by society. For example the chinks considered having deformed feet beautiful, let alone those black tribes with the giraffe necks
Is Achilles the original chad?
>thread makes me want to see Troy
>Written by: David Benioff
Nevermind. Fuck that kike.
>>71842603
If you were nursed since childhood Mediterranean women in movies and commercial breaks as beautiful, you would think this way about them
>>71842592
There are very many versions of the myth. Homer only mentions that Achilles dies by an arrow shot by Paris and guided by Apollo. Achilles' invulnerability was invented after the Iliad.
>>71842663
immortality =/= invincibilty
you underestimate odin, he and his brothers slayed a giant the size of the world and forged earth out of his carcass. odin is wiser than zeus, greater warrior than zeus, more powerful wizard than zeus, he would steamroll him.
>>71842603
The problem is that you are used to beautiful "nordics" in movies and tv.
You don't like "nordic people", you like beautiful nordic people.
The real average Nordic looks like pic related.
Now, tell me again that it is "pleasant" to look at this poor Danish guy.
PS: Most "nordics" you see on movies and TV are not pure nordics anyway, being blonde and blue eyed doesn't make you racially nordic.
kevin from home alone vs achilles
who would win?
>>71842787
Zeus defeated Cronus, who defeated the literal sky. It makes no sense to talk about power levels between myths of different cultures. Shit's all fucked.
>>71842893
>lays a marble trap
>Achilles trips
>shatters his achille's heel
>ded
>>71842787
>slay a world sized giant
>die to a world sized wolf
Kek
>tfw no greek gf
>>71841035
Hector was actually the cowardly one from the Illiad. He got scared when he was supposed to face Achillies and ran away causing Achillies to literally chase him around the perimeter of Troy - 3 fucking times.
pfffffft he probably couldn't even beat non-Super Saiyan Goku
>>71843021
This. This so fucking badly.
>>71843070
That was only because Achilles was in full God-Rage mode then and Athena had deceived him.
Hector was bad-ass. He didn't need to be semi-god to be a true hero.
>>71842971
it was odins fate and his inevitable demise, no one can defeat him but fenris
>>71842705
Yeah except he's actually really nice and thoughtful. He's sort of like the marvel movies Captain America. Just all around likable and envied by all
>>71841070
Hercules actually managed to beat Ares, God of War, in a single combat (with some divine help)
>>71842355
I like both NGE and Lucky Star.
>>71840899
Jack Bauer could just shoot him a few times.
>>71843070
No. Hector is portrayed as the bravest and manliest of men. He gets scared as any man would in front of certain imminent death, but once he accepts there's no way to escape he faces his death like a man.
Paris, on the other hand, is such a coward that even Hector and Helen come to hate him.
>>71843221
When? In the Sorbo tv show?
>>71841530
Didn't they notice all the chest wounds? Maybe that's where he was weak as well? Oh but naw, he's got a papercut on his finger. HIS WEAKNESS IS HIS FINGER
>>71843190
>nice and thoughtful
>"King Agamemnon insulted my honor, so I'm going to pray to Zeus that the Trojans start winning and not battle leading other men to die."
>>71843153
True, but Paris never ran away from his duel with Menelaus, Aphrodite teleported him into his bed with Helen as Menelaus was going to deliver the killing blow
The Troy movie was so fucking garbage. The only thing they got right was blonde Brad Pitt as Achillies though Chris Hemsworth would actually make a better Achillies imo
>>71843277
that's not it. When he was carried away after the battle the common soldiers saw his corpse with an arrow still sticking out of his heel. Obviously everyone who actually got a proper look at his body could have seen stab-wounds or other arrow entry points. It's just that the legend was that Achilles is invincible and the son of a god so the arrow in the heel was noteworthy.
>>71842676
>>71842719
which only furthers the point made here >>71842530
helen of troy would have had curly black hair, and a rounder face than Diane Kruger
she's supposed to be the greek ideal of beauty at the time, and however vague that concept is, it would have never been a pale skinned blonde woman
>>71843404
i don't think mila kunis is greek
>>71843371
Achilles was canonically ginger in the book
>>71843404
Homer describes a few of his characters with blonde hairs and blue eyes, even if they didn't have them because it made said characters stay out the crowd of "normal people" giving them even more of a spotlight, so, I don't remember the description of helen or even if there was one but she might as well have been blonde in the story to make her some exotic beauty, after all myth-wise she was the cause of the war.
>>71843429
she certainly doesn't look ukrainian
>>71843371
>but Paris never ran away from his duel with Menelaus
see the beginning of book 3 anon
>>71843506
shes a kike
>>71843435
Nah, my translation describes him as having "yellow hair" which Athena pulled him by as he was about to lunge at Agamemnon with his sword.
>>71843371
Hemsworth was too young and faggy at the time
>>71842915
Odin and his two brothers killed the first being in creation, unleashing a flood of blood upon Ginnungagap that killed almost all the Jötnar, with the exception of Bergelmir and his wife who had a boat. Odin and his brothers then created 7 of the 9 realms, Muspellheim and Nifheim already being around, from Ymir's corpse, he granted mankind sentience and casually turned a dead guy's eyes into stars as an apology. He raises people from the dead to ask them questions and the only thing in Norse mythology that can defeat him is a giant sentient demonic god-wolf with jaws that reach from the ground to beyond the exosphere. Odin is a general and warrior who is constantly training and plotting for the coming of Ragnarok, so we know he is not out of training.
Zeus couldn't even kill his own father. To overthrow the titans he needed not only the help of his siblings but also the Cyclopes and the Hecatonchires to overthrow the Cronus, and Cronus wasn't even the first eldest or the most powerful creature in Greek Mythology, Zeus was later defeated by Typhon after Typhon stole Zeus' thunderbolts and his sinews according to Nonnus' Dionysiaca, the most detailed version of their story. He only later won out due to trickery and the aid of Cadmus, a mere mortal. After winning over Typhon and imprisoning him beneath Mt. Etna or Tartarus, he doesn't really get that many more threats against his rule. He is more like Robert Baratheon, a king who was really strong and a great warrior in his youth, but that time is long gone and the wars that made him strong are but memories.
Odin Asagrimm, the grey wanderer with a thousand names, the son of Borr who was the son of Búri, the first of the Aesir, the god of death, defeats Zeus, lord of the Olympians and son of Cronus 9/10 times unless Zeus gets a lot of help from other gods.
>>71843575
The original Greek word used doesn't have a direct translation IIRC. Some translators render it as reddish and some as golden.
Achilles wasn't invincible, just an exceptionally good fighter.
>>71843638
>both of them and all other pagan gods get BTFO in their own domains by a carpenter
>>71843404
>Dude Greeks weren't white lmao
Yo fuck off with this meme
>>71843638
desu I don't know very much about Norse myths. Is there really only one canonical versions? Because the Greek myths have myriad stories, many of them conflicting. The Dionysiaca wasn't written until long after Greece stopped being relevant. Hesiod, from whom most of the myths come, has Zeus defeating Typhon without much trouble.
>a king who was really strong and a great warrior in his youth, but that time is long gone and the wars that made him strong are but memories
Greek gods are eternal and unchanging though. There's no such thing as youth for Zeus (except for when he was a baby, but that doesn't count).
>>71843504
Homer describes the king of the Gods, Zeus, as being dark/black haired or having black eyebrows, this in the Ilyad also, if that doesn't settle the issue of "muh ancient nordic greeks" I don't know what else does.
Where some ancient Greeks blonde and blue eyed? Of course, even today some are, in the same way that some Swedes have darker hair or eyes, that doesn't mean that is the average on either nations. But I doubt that describing some Greek girls as blonde and blue eyed makes it automatically the beauty standard of the time.
And to further the insight on races and peoples, there are really no "racially pure" people and Europeans in any case are a mixture of three major ancient races, the WEHG (western European Hunter-Gatherers), the MNEA (Mysterious North Eurasians), and the EEF (Early European Farmers).
>>71843855
greece is one of the sunniest regions on earth
why would they be white?
>>71843855
Mila Kunis is white. You are the one memeing here.
Achilles was not invincible he was just the best of the best as well as being a demi god he gets his arm cut at one point i forget where it might have been when the the beauty of an amazon he was fighting almost made him lose his focus on getting that sweet sweet glory
>>71842829
To be fair the lighting in that photo is terrible, his face seems fine to me
>>71844071
>his face seems fine to me
>>71844071
same guy with professional lighting
>>71843190
>Yeah except he's actually really nice and thoughtful.
He is full of rage through the whole book. At some point he sacrifices 12 Trojan children.
>>71844163
>professional lighting
You mean the same guy with UNNATURAL lighting, make up, contact lenses, photoshop and a decent haircut?
Still has nigger lips, weak jaw, floppy ears, big nose, etc. Not even his eyes are symmetrical
If that's beauty for you maybe it's just because you are used to ugly people.
Or you are so deep and deluded within your ideological nordicism that you will excuse anything.
(Froggen fans, please, get out)
>>71844381
But he didn't say that's a beautiful nordic guy, he said that's average.
>>71844381
what are you, some butthurt mediterranean kid? jesus calm down. no one said he was beautiful or even average hes a low test skinny nerd. this is more representative of an average nordic man
>>71844506
He said his face was "fine".
>>71844538
You are the one overreacting here and being all defensive.
>that pic
You know these averages are a meme, right? Still, not much to brag about.
>>71844360
Slaves, rather than children. "paides" worked double duty that way, same way "boy" did in the US.
>>71840999
>not understanding that arrows were routinely poisoned
>not knowing that that's why the word for a bow (toxa) gave us the word for poison (toxin).
>>71844669
yes your example was better, i suppose this is representative of an average american as well
>>71842460
No, sir. No he did not.
1. The Iliad is not ill; the Odyssey is not odd.
2. That was Diomedes, not Akhilleus.
3. That was Diomedes' spear guided by Athene, not just some random stab.
>>71840999
Homer didn't specify how he died.
You're the hack, anon.
>>71842530
She'd specifically called blonde (xanthe). And she's only Mycenaean on her mother's side. Her father is Zeus himself.
>>71843153
Athene's deceiving of Hector was her last, best gift to him. Without it, he would have died with a spear through the back, after losing his roles as son, husband, and father, leaving him with nothing. She at least deceived him into dying on his feet, facing his opponent as a hero.
>>71843520
He didn't have time to run. Aphrodite teleported him back to his bedroom.
>>71844764
You are so dumb and so angry because I don't praise your nordic features that you lost the point of everything.
Some guy said before: "nordics are the most pleasant people to look at" then I just answered with the Froggen pic saying that that he is just used to beautiful Nordic actors on TV, movies and media, while the average Nordic looks more like a Froggen than like any famous actor.
Now keep raging because I didn't praise your nordic ass, Jesus, you guys are so arrogant and deluded that you just can't stand people treating you like mere mortals.
>>71842465
this
>>71845025
who is raging? isnt he entitled to his opinion? why do you feel the need to prove something? beauty isn't objective. there are clear distinct nordic features and some people prefer them, some people like east asian features, west african features, soth european features, it varies. not everyone has the same taste.
>>71845025
Maybe safespacereddit is more like the place for you, nigger
>>71842465
"Nintendo wrote the Iliad"
-Anon, 2016
>>71845254
> why do you feel the need to prove something?
Why do you feel the need to defend him or talk for him?
Did you also lost the point of this?
I'm not trying to prove anything, I was answering to someone saying that "nordics are the most pleasant people to look at". Did you forget that? I didn't come all of a sudden """"attacking"""" nordics, I just answered to a nordicist claim.
And then all of a sudden you come in trope being all buttblasted because I posted a Froggen pic.
And now you act all defensive and butthurt because someone implied that "nordics are just like normal people" and not "the most beautiful people on Earth".
You guys are seriously fucking delusional.
It's amazing if you actually go through the messages and analyze it rationally.
>>71845378
Das it white boi [proceeds to post BLACKED pics]
>>71845544
>You guys are seriously fucking delusional
Don't hate us because we're beautiful
>>71840899
Siegfried son of Sigurd, the dragon slayer grandson of Odin and lover of Brunhild the valkyrie.
He is par with Achiles immortality having bathed on the blood of the dragon.
He is par with his prowess in war.
He owns a fabled sword that has pierced dragon skin and broken Odin's spear.
He is free from the will of the gods yet Valkyries favor him in battle.
He owns the Tarnhelm which allows him to become invisible and change his shape.
He owns the ring made with the gold of Rin which is pretty much "the one ring" from LOTR.
I wonder if the ancients shitposted about which mythological figure had the highest power level like nerds do on this website every day
>acknowleding the Achilleid as canon
Achilles wasn't invulnerable, Statius is a shit
>>71844986
He ran before the battle ever started. Hector calls him a faggot, and only then does Paris finally go to fight. The when he teleports back to his bedroom Helen calls him a faggot.
>>71840899
Terminator
too easy
>>71842015
Do you want to?
>>71845831
Bear in my the whole Troy fiasco actually happened cause Paris picked the wrong goddess in a beauty contest they made him judge when he was a teenager.
>>71845544
what are you trying to prove? nordics are normal people? no one said anything different.
>>71845980
*bear in mind
>>71845831
Probably. Alexander the Great was a fan of Homer for example.
>>71842530
Helen was specifically described as a blonde, now go suck a dick.
>>71840899
Literally anyone with a gun
>>71845831
Anything that can be argued about WILL be argued about. That's just how men are. I think it's pretty cool
>>71844930
>Pussy brother
>has to fight his battles for him
>has to fight a god like faggot
>gets his body desecrated
>his son gets thrown off a window
>wife gets enslaved
Hector had a hard life.
>>71840899
Acchilles was a fag and Patrocles was his fuckboi
>>71845831
Yes... Egyptians even wrote on walls and venerated cats so as you can see, nothing has changed.
>>71840899
You were saying?
>>71840899
>cousin
>>71842151
That was unironically the best part of the Iliad
>be Trojan
>everyday watch your friends brutally killed as their arrows and spears turn around in mid air before hitting Achilles
>Achilles is back with armor so good you can't even look directly at it
>stand there waiting for death
>all of a sudden the river starts overflowing and sweeping him into it
>laugh as he tries to crawl away yelling for help
>other river shows up to fuck with him some more
>rivers catch on fire
>well fuck
>>71842530
>>71843404
She's a fucking Spartan bred to be that way, as well as being a demigodess. There's nothing average about her.
>Iliad 3.121: "white-armed Helen".
>Odyssey 22.224: "high-born Helen of the white arms"
>Iliad 3.171: "Helen, fair among women"
>Iliad 3:228: "long-robed Helen, fair among women"
>Odyssey 4.120: "Helen, like Artemis of the golden arrows"
>Odyssey 4 in between Lines 296 & 306: "long-robed Helen, peerless among women"
>Odyssey 15 in between Lines 92 & 109: "Helen, the beautiful lady"
>Odyssey 15 in between Lines 120 & 130: "fair-cheeked Helen"
>Iliad 13 in between Lines 754 & 774, & Odyssey 15.56: "fair-tressed Helen"
>"fair-haired Helen": Book 3 in between Lines 324 & 340; Book 7, Line 354; Book 8 in between Lines 78 & 97; Book 9 in between Lines 328 & 346; & Book 11, Line 368 & in between Lines 489 & 516.
Fuck off pleb.
>>71843930
>Moving goalposts.
>Strawmaning
No one said they were Scandinavian. We just said Helen looks how she is described.
